== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: ubuntu touch sudoku app meeting, 28 Jun at 15:32 — 16:04 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2013/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2013-06-28-15.32.log.html]]



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== People present (lines said) ==

 * dinkometalac (111)
 * balloons (47)
 * popey (44)
 * fredoust (9)
 * meetingology (3)
 * dpm (2)



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 15:32 <popey> #startmeeting ubuntu touch sudoku app meeting

 15:32 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jun 28 15:32:52 2013 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 15:32 <fredoust> ok for me too

 15:33 <popey> I'll paste some links first, which will be useful

 15:33 <popey> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/sudokotouch-coreapps-development

 15:33 <popey> bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app

 15:33 <popey> reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/sudoku-app

 15:33 <popey> burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/

 15:33 <popey> Ok, so I'm Alan Pope, dpm (David Planella) is also around..

 15:34 <popey> Thanks for coming guys, sorry about moving the meeting around all over the place

 15:34 <dinkometalac> no problem

 15:34 <fredoust> no problem

 15:34 <popey> So the way we usually run these meetings is as a catch up, make sure we're on track, and to deal with any issues that come up

 15:34 <popey> The main way we see if we're on track is via the blueprint and the burndown chart

 15:35 <popey> the blueprint has a bunch of work items with statuses DONE, TODO, INPROGRESS, BLOCKED etc

 15:35 <dpm> hi dinkometalac, fredoust, thanks for taking the time to join the meeting!

 15:35 * dpm waves

 15:35 <popey> we have them assigned to milestones, which for us finish on the 17th of each month

 15:35 <fredoust> hi

 15:35 <popey> so we're currently in milestone coreapps-13.10-month-3 which ends on 17th July

 15:35 <dinkometalac> david: hi

 15:36 <dinkometalac> yes

 15:36 <dinkometalac> so in this month

 15:36 <dinkometalac> we have to write som autopilot tests

 15:36 <dinkometalac> some*

 15:36 <popey> you can see the milestones listed here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+milestones

 15:36 <popey> ah! you said the magic word, autopilot, at this point you may have woken balloons (Nick Skaggs)

 15:37 <balloons> lol popey

 15:37 <popey> he's the expert on QA / Testing and Autopilot

 15:37 <dinkometalac> popey: hahaha

 15:37 <balloons> Wonderful to meet you dinkometalac

 15:37 <dinkometalac> balloons: good to have you on board

 15:37 <dinkometalac> :)

 15:37 <popey> So the first order of business is usually to get the work items assigned to people

 15:38 <popey> because if they aren't assigned to people then they generally don't get done ☻

 15:38 <balloons> So yes, actually it would be great if we could take a couple minutes and brianstorm the tests needed.. Whenever it fits the agenda popey

 15:38 <popey> sure, balloons will ping you

 15:38 <popey> so if you take a look at the blueprint you'll see some "TODO" with no name, please volunteer to grab work items

 15:38 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:38 <popey> and just stick [yourlaunchpadnickname] in front of them

 15:39 <dinkometalac> i thought i should work on

 15:39 <dinkometalac> scoring capability

 15:39 <popey> launchpad is a bit picky about the formatting so be careful with it

 15:39 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:39 <popey> so if there's items on a later milestone, you can move them up to this month (month 3)

 15:39 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:40 <popey> there's of course also some bugs to work on, which we don't record on the work items unless they're significant pieces of work

 15:40 <popey> all the bugs we have so far are relatively trivial compared to the work items we have listed, I think.

 15:40 <dinkometalac> yes

 15:41 <dinkometalac> they are quite trivial

 15:41 <dinkometalac> and IMHO

 15:41 <popey> Good, glad we agree ☻

 15:41 <dinkometalac> solving them would be piece of cake

 15:41 <dinkometalac> :)

 15:41 <popey> Excellent. I like that.

 15:41 <popey> The game plays really nicely I find.

 15:41 <dinkometalac> good

 15:42 <dinkometalac> great

 15:42 <dinkometalac> good to hear that

 15:42 <popey> I have a long train journey tonight, so will play some more ☻

 15:42 <dinkometalac> i tested it on gnex

 15:42 <popey> I have tested it on the nexus 4

 15:42 <dinkometalac> and i enlarged the fonts

 15:42 <dinkometalac> a bit

 15:42 <dinkometalac> they were too small

 15:42 <popey> i also have a nexus 7 so will test there too

 15:42 <dinkometalac> on gnex

 15:42 <popey> interesting

 15:43 <dinkometalac> now they fill the rectangle

 15:43 <popey> So as we're talking about testing, now is probably a good time for balloons to speak about tests needed..

 15:43 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:43 <balloons> yes, so dinkometalac can we generate a list of big features that need testing at the moment

 15:43 <dinkometalac> well

 15:44 <balloons> keep in mind, autopilot tests should be used for things you can verify at a unit test level

 15:44 <dinkometalac> i'm not familiar with

 15:44 <dinkometalac> the concept in general

 15:44 <balloons> user interactions, those sorts of things

 15:44 <dinkometalac> aha

 15:44 <dinkometalac> i get it

 15:44 <dinkometalac> so

 15:44 <dinkometalac> if i press that button

 15:44 <dinkometalac> that happens

 15:44 <dinkometalac> etc.

 15:44 <dinkometalac> ?

 15:44 <balloons> *lol, things you *can't* verify at a unit test level

 15:44 <balloons> yes, I want to make sure pushing the button makes the screen do this

 15:44 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:44 <balloons> or swiping causes this to happen

 15:44 <balloons> etc

 15:45 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:45 <dinkometalac> so

 15:45 <balloons> anything UI related ;-) You don't need to check if your logic is correct specific variables in functions, etc

 15:45 <dinkometalac> for that

 15:45 <dinkometalac> we can make test that do exactly that

 15:45 <dinkometalac> but

 15:45 <dinkometalac> these are trivial

 15:46 <dinkometalac> and since the game is pretty visual

 15:46 <dinkometalac> as in

 15:46 <dinkometalac> every game command is visualized

 15:46 <balloons> yes, so tap to enter a '9', the box should update and display 9

 15:46 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:46 <balloons> indeed ;-)

 15:46 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:47 <dinkometalac> i'm still not familiar with autopilot

 15:47 <dinkometalac> i'll have to read the docs

 15:47 <dinkometalac> but

 15:47 <dinkometalac> since it's python

 15:47 <balloons> sure thing. There's an emulator that makes it easier for you as well

 15:47 <dinkometalac> should be easy

 15:47 <balloons> the python is really simple, even I can do it!

 15:47 <dinkometalac> i'm very familiar with python

 15:48 <dinkometalac> so no worries

 15:48 <balloons> lol, that's no exaggeration :-)

 15:48 <dinkometalac> :D

 15:48 <dinkometalac> so

 15:48 <balloons> ohh excellent, you'll be write at home

 15:48 <dinkometalac> do you have any plans

 15:48 <dinkometalac> what should be tested

 15:48 <dinkometalac> except

 15:48 <dinkometalac> pressing the buttons

 15:49 <balloons> well we can start with those. I've not played with the game as much as you have I'm sure :-0

 15:49 <dinkometalac> oh, ok

 15:49 <balloons> I want to get this list into the blueprint today

 15:49 <dinkometalac> do we have to write all possible tests

 15:49 <balloons> then I'd like to promote the app and get you and some others writing tests for it. The tests will grow as you add features

 15:50 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:50 <balloons> dinkometalac, let's hit the big stuff first, then fill in. Full coverage is always the goal, but we don't have to stress about getting there right away

 15:50 <balloons> hit the big stuff first :-)

 15:51 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:51 <dinkometalac> UI response comes to mind first

 15:51 <dinkometalac> so in the main tab

 15:51 <dinkometalac> all buttons

 15:51 <dinkometalac> toolbar

 15:52 <dinkometalac> and that's about it

 15:52 <dinkometalac> so no game logic tests

 15:52 <balloons> ok perfect

 15:52 <balloons> so can you list each button?

 15:52 <balloons> I'll make a quick bug for each and add to the blueprint

 15:53 <dinkometalac> game buttons are in QML repeater

 15:53 <balloons> for starters I'll assign you things in the blueprint, but we're going to try and get other folks interested and helping as well

 15:53 <dinkometalac> so, testing one button

 15:53 <dinkometalac> is like testing all the buttons

 15:53 <balloons> ok, so just have a look in the qml repeater file?

 15:53 <dinkometalac> ok

 15:53 <dinkometalac> let me just open the code

 15:53 <balloons> we can test all the buttons easily enough -- it's automated test ;-)

 15:54 <balloons> if the backend logic is the same then our test can be simplified

 15:54 <dinkometalac> so

 15:54 <dinkometalac> SudokuButtonsGrid.qml

 15:54 <dinkometalac> SudokuButton {         id: gridButton;

 15:54 <dinkometalac> this part

 15:54 <dinkometalac> defines the button

 15:54 <dinkometalac> in the game

 15:54 <dinkometalac> all 81 of them

 15:55 <balloons> hehe :-)

 15:55 <dinkometalac> is this what you mean

 15:55 <dinkometalac> by listing all the buttons

 15:55 <dinkometalac> :D

 15:56 <balloons> i assume that's the grid number button right?

 15:56 <balloons> so the test for that can be one test

 15:56 <balloons> I'm branching the code now to follow along ;-)

 15:56 <dinkometalac> yes

 15:56 <dinkometalac> this is inside the grid

 15:56 <balloons> ok, so I'll add that

 15:57 <balloons> what elesE?

 15:57 <dinkometalac> toolbar

 15:57 <dinkometalac> so

 15:58 <dinkometalac> pressing the button for new game

 15:58 <dinkometalac> should change the label for all the game buttons

 15:58 <balloons> ouch getting qmlviewer: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlviewer': No such file or directory

 15:58 <balloons> ok, so test for newgame button

 15:58 <dinkometalac> wait?

 15:59 <dinkometalac> not starting the game at all?

 15:59 <balloons> I guess I can't run to see the app to follow along.. I'll have to fix the issue

 15:59 <balloons> not starting the game? what do you mean?

 15:59 <balloons> each test is independent.. you'll run a setup step which will start the app in the default state

 16:00 <dinkometalac> that error you're getting

 16:00 <dinkometalac> aha

 16:00 <dinkometalac> ok

 16:00 <balloons> yes, it's something with qmlviewer not your app I don't think :-)

 16:00 <dinkometalac> ok

 16:00 <dinkometalac> so

 16:00 <dinkometalac> in toolbar

 16:00 <dinkometalac> hint button

 16:01 <balloons> d'oh.. it's qmlscene to run it. lol

 16:01 <balloons> I see the game now

 16:01 <dinkometalac> i think it should be enabled by default

 16:01 <balloons> yes it's disabled on load

 16:01 <balloons> then enabled once started

 16:01 <balloons> cool.. that's another test perfect

 16:01 <popey> I am afraid I need to go..

 16:01 <dinkometalac> popey: ok

 16:02 <popey> dinkometalac: fredoust do you have any questions / issues right now?

 16:02 <balloons> I see a clear button as well on the entry screen

 16:02 <popey> (then I'll let balloons have you back)

 16:02 <dinkometalac> popey: can you just check why the launchpad build fails?

 16:02 <fredoust> sorry if I'm not writing

 16:02 <popey> fredoust: no problem

 16:02 <fredoust> i'm not familiar with this kind of work

 16:02 <fredoust> but i'm reading all ;)

 16:02 <fredoust> no questions for the moment

 16:02 <fredoust> thanks

 16:02 <popey> fredoust: it's fine, the first of these meetings is always "information overload" ☻

 16:03 <fredoust> ok

 16:03 <popey> dinkometalac: I would recommend asking in #ubuntu-touch why builds fail

 16:03 <dinkometalac> ok

 16:03 <popey> fginther should be able to help you

 16:03 <dinkometalac> ok

 16:03 <dinkometalac> i guess it's probably something wrong with changelog in debian

 16:03 <dinkometalac> but not sure

 16:03 <popey> ok, I am going to end the meeting, but you guys can carry on chatting either here or in #ubuntu-touch or #ubuntu-quality - whatever you choose

 16:04 <popey> thanks guys, I'm super excited to be working with you!

 16:04 <popey> and now I will go and play sudoku on the train! :D

 16:04 <popey> #endmeeting



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