17:02 <popey> #startmeeting Ubuntu Touch Calculator app meeting
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17:02 <popey> Some links...
17:02 <boiko> hi guys
17:03 <popey> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-calculator-development
17:03 <popey> bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
17:03 <popey> reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+activereviews
17:03 <popey> burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/
17:03 <popey> So, how we doing?
17:03 <daliusd> Basically this
17:04 <daliusd> Got some input on design
17:04 <daliusd> I have started applying design to app
17:04 <daliusd> (you can see branch if you want to)
17:04 <popey> ooh, show me ☻
17:04 <daliusd> https://code.launchpad.net/~dalius-sandbox/ubuntu-calculator-app/official-design
17:05 <boiko> that's nice
17:05 <daliusd> Currently missing: text annotation icon and delete icon
17:05 <daliusd> I don't like how design team propose to implement delete action
17:05 <daliusd> I don't like that very much because they propose to show button to users
17:05 <popey> what's the current proposal?
17:06 <daliusd> one minute
17:06 <daliusd> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50603128/calculator_design_notes.pdf
17:06 <daliusd> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50603128/Calculator_01.2.mp4
17:07 <daliusd> I will implement delete from history the way I think it should be done
17:07 <popey> so 3rd image on page 3?
17:07 <popey> (of the pdf)
17:07 <daliusd> Yes
17:08 <boiko> the swipe to delete thing?
17:08 <daliusd> I will make "Drag further to Delete" and "Release to Delete"
17:08 <daliusd> yes
17:09 <popey> the video doesn't show delete
17:09 <popey> did you expect it to?
17:09 <daliusd> Video doesn't but 4th image in 3rd page shows buttons
17:09 <boiko> that'll be a standard pattern across all apps I think
17:09 <daliusd> boiko, buttons?
17:10 <boiko> daliusd: the swipe to delete, not sure to show buttons
17:10 <popey> i can see why the buttons are there
17:10 <daliusd> swipe to delete is OK
17:10 <popey> given the whole ui is swipe based, it would be quite easy to accidentally delete a calculation by swiping in from the left
17:10 <popey> as swipe in from left is used to bring the launcher out
17:11 <popey> you might be going for the launcher and accidentially delete your work
17:11 <daliusd> So I can make it swipe by half screen from the left
17:13 <popey> are they expecting it to stop there?
17:13 <popey> do you have a video showing the delete swipe action?
17:13 <daliusd> I don't
17:13 <popey> hmm
17:14 <daliusd> Whatever, I will do the way I think it should be done
17:14 <popey> heh
17:14 <daliusd> and somebody will need to test it with real device
17:14 <popey> i have one, and can test
17:14 <daliusd> Good :)
17:14 <daliusd> So if you will say - no
17:14 <daliusd> we will adapt design team proposal
17:14 <popey> so if you want to ping me at any time with a branch I can test
17:14 <popey> cool!
17:14 <daliusd> Thanks
17:14 <popey> np
17:14 <daliusd> OK
17:14 <daliusd> What else
17:15 <daliusd> Keyboard
17:15 <daliusd> video shows some cool stuff with keyboard
17:15 <daliusd> that is not yet available through SDK
17:16 <popey> swiping the keyboard left/right?
17:16 <daliusd> yes
17:16 <daliusd> and color of keyboard
17:16 <daliusd> so I have contacted one person that I was advised to contact
17:16 <popey> who was that?
17:16 <daliusd> and he said that custom keyboard will be available in the future
17:17 <daliusd> let me find it
17:17 <daliusd> Thomas Moenicke
17:17 <popey> ok
17:17 <daliusd> I was not given any estimates
17:17 <popey> I'll see if I can get some more detail
17:17 <daliusd> but I basically have promise that it will be possible to have custom keyboard with context
17:18 <daliusd> color override is planned as well but it is low priority as far as I understand
17:18 <popey> yeah, the SDK guys are working pretty hard at the moment, so it's on the list with all the other things
17:18 <daliusd> and some bad news
17:18 <daliusd> video shows nice
17:19 <daliusd> behavior when new operation starts
17:19 <popey> i would expect some consistency in colours between the designs from design team
17:19 <daliusd> when number scrolls slowly to top
17:19 <daliusd> I have added that (3 lines of code)
17:19 <daliusd> but that breaks tear-off of active calculation
17:19 <daliusd> It feels like Qt Quick bug actually
17:19 <daliusd> so I'm not sure what to do actually
17:20 <popey> is that in your branch?
17:20 <daliusd> No it is not in my branch
17:20 <daliusd> I can say what to add into which file
17:20 <popey> ok
17:21 <daliusd> You should add
17:21 <daliusd> Behavior on height {
17:21 <daliusd> SequentialAnimation{
17:21 <daliusd> NumberAnimation {
17:21 <daliusd> duration: 50
17:21 <daliusd> }
17:21 <daliusd> }
17:21 <daliusd> }
17:21 <daliusd> before Divider
17:21 <daliusd> or before> Behavior on x
17:21 <daliusd> it doesn't really matter
17:21 <daliusd> you will get nice behavior as in video
17:22 <daliusd> but it will break swipe up to start new calculation
17:22 <popey> maybe I added it wrong, it didn't break for mew
17:22 <popey> -w
17:22 <boiko> daliusd: is that inside a listview?
17:23 <daliusd> boiko - yes
17:23 <boiko> or is it a repeater?
17:23 <daliusd> inside repeater in listview
17:24 <boiko> daliusd: if it was just a listview, we could set the "add" transition on listview
17:24 <daliusd> problem is that Behavior or animation somehow affects atYEnd of Listview
17:25 <boiko> daliusd: not sure it is the case
17:25 <boiko> daliusd: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-listview.html#add-prop
17:25 <daliusd> boiko, I know about transitions
17:25 <daliusd> popey, you say that swipe-up still works for you
17:25 <daliusd> with that change
17:25 <boiko> daliusd: ah ok, just thought I'd point it :)
17:26 <daliusd> Repeater does not have transitions :-)
17:26 <daliusd> ListView already uses some
17:26 <popey> yes
17:26 * daliusd checks for updates
17:26 <popey> assuming i added it correctly
17:26 <popey> but that's on my pc, not on-device
17:27 <daliusd> popey, if it adds animation for operations then you have added it correctly
17:28 <popey> hmm
17:28 <daliusd> you might consider adding longer duration: like 200
17:28 <popey> ok
17:29 <popey> hah, 2000 is a bit big
17:29 <popey> yes, that works
17:29 <daliusd> OK strange now it works for me
17:29 <daliusd> I have not changed anything
17:30 <popey> must be sun spots or something ㋛
17:30 <daliusd> :D
17:30 <daliusd> Let's test again
17:31 <daliusd> Now it doesn't work
17:32 * popey tries on a device
17:33 <daliusd> tried 6 times: 2 times work, 4 doesn't
17:33 <popey> seems broken on device too
17:33 <popey> i cant break off the result to start a new calculation
17:34 <daliusd> OK I will report Qt bug
17:34 <daliusd> They have access to source code as everyone else
17:34 <popey> nice to see a bit of colour on the device ㋛
17:35 <daliusd> :)
17:35 <daliusd> I believe that's it from me
17:35 <daliusd> bugs for autopilot
17:35 <daliusd> are kind of blocked as well
17:35 <popey> yeah, lots of those
17:35 <daliusd> because if we will change keyboard
17:35 <daliusd> we will need to throw out all tests
17:36 <popey> even the swipe ones?
17:36 <daliusd> except those :)
17:36 <popey> heh
17:36 <daliusd> while no
17:36 <daliusd> even those
17:36 <daliusd> as you need keyboard
17:36 <daliusd> to create some test data
17:36 <popey> ah right
17:37 <popey> I am less concerned about the ap tests right now
17:37 <popey> focus for now would be implementing the design
17:37 <popey> I can find someone to help with AP later
17:38 <daliusd> ok
17:38 <popey> be good to see some of the design stuff landing
17:38 <daliusd> ?
17:39 <popey> in trunk, the work you're doing at the moment
17:39 <daliusd> Well when I will implement icons
17:39 <daliusd> I will request merge
17:40 <popey> sweet.
17:40 <popey> I didn't have anything else to raise right now.
17:41 <popey> any other issues you guys have?
17:41 <daliusd> No
17:41 <popey> As you know we've been dogfooding the devices
17:42 <popey> I was out having a meal last night.. we used the calculator app.. in the real world!
17:42 <popey> ☻
17:42 <popey> to work out the bill
17:42 <daliusd> cool :)
17:42 <popey> and the restuarant didn't complain that we didn't pay enough, so good work there! :D
17:43 <popey> ok, lets wrap up then. thanks guys!
17:43 <popey> #endmeeting