18:02:09 <popey> #startmeeting Ubuntu Touch Calculator App Meeting 18:02:09 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 7 18:02:09 2013 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:02:09 <meetingology> 18:02:09 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:02:18 <popey> hi daliusd rferrazz 18:02:22 <markg85> The benefit for you guys would be to have easily accessible backend data through QML which will allow for a very easy calendar implementation on you ubuntu touch side 18:02:27 <rferrazz> hi 18:02:32 <daliusd> hi 18:02:37 <popey> #topic introductions 18:02:43 <popey> (I think we all know eachother by now?) 18:02:50 <rferrazz> sure 18:02:57 <daliusd> I guess so 18:02:58 <mhall119> hello calculator devs! 18:03:06 <popey> ok, lets skip that then 18:03:30 <popey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+spec/initial-calculator-development 18:03:40 <popey> looks good, are there any tasks we should add to that list? 18:03:48 <popey> well, there must be ☺ 18:04:08 <popey> because those are all DONE and the calculator is awesome, but not complete yet ☺ 18:04:18 <daliusd> I have created two other blueprints 18:04:19 <daliusd> some time ago 18:04:21 <rferrazz> currently we are waiting inputs from the design team 18:04:37 <daliusd> but as rferrazz says we need input from designers 18:04:46 <popey> ok, we certainly don't want you to be blocked on the design team. 18:04:55 <daliusd> but we are :) 18:04:59 <rferrazz> but before the design war we have done all that tasks 18:05:08 <rferrazz> on the blueprint 18:05:36 <popey> do you consider the calculator to be feature complete? 18:05:37 <daliusd> popey, maybe you know what will be required 18:05:41 <popey> would you do your taxes with it? ☺ 18:05:51 <daliusd> I would :) 18:06:07 <mhall119> US tax code is too complicated for math 18:06:28 <daliusd> thanks god I'm not from US (while working for US company) 18:06:50 <daliusd> I imagine that we could work on memory/history 18:07:01 <popey> the backscroll? 18:07:10 <daliusd> rferrazz did some initial development there but that's just initial steps 18:07:13 <daliusd> backscroll 18:07:16 <daliusd> search by date 18:07:23 <daliusd> search by added text 18:07:31 <daliusd> That's just ideas :) 18:07:41 <popey> yes, that would be awesome 18:07:54 <mhall119> so I was playing with lp:~f-riccardo87/ubuntu-calculator-app/new-design 18:08:11 <rferrazz> it isn't 100% stable 18:08:18 <rferrazz> but it works 18:08:19 <mhall119> but it's looking great 18:08:22 <daliusd> here I have assigned task to myself: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+spec/logic-improvements 18:08:34 <mhall119> I noticed that the scientific buttons were removed 18:08:57 <daliusd> BTW, I might be using blueprints in a wrong way :) 18:09:12 <popey> yeah, blueprints aren't the most intuitive things 18:09:13 <daliusd> mhall119, our idea is to move scientific to other tab 18:09:22 <mhall119> ok 18:09:25 <rferrazz> with the stacked view it's impossible to do scientivic calculations 18:09:27 <popey> just tested that new-design, it's great. 18:09:38 <mhall119> also, I didn't see a way to start a new set of calculations 18:09:56 <popey> mhall119: c? 18:10:03 <rferrazz> yes 18:10:14 <rferrazz> it can be renamed 18:10:15 <popey> c kinda "tears off the paper" 18:10:30 <mhall119> wasn't working for me 18:10:39 <popey> strange, just tried it here 18:11:00 <mhall119> mbut then again I had merge conflicts and just dide a quick and dirty resolution, so I probably just broke it if it had been working 18:11:10 <daliusd> I guess everyone already saw that but in case I have summed by concerns about simple calculator here http://devblog.sandbox.lt/ubuntu_phone_calculator_design.html 18:11:17 <popey> i just did a clean branch and it worked well here 18:11:22 <daliusd> I hope design team read that :) 18:11:26 <mhall119> ok, nvm that last thing then :) 18:11:33 <popey> i hadn't seen that, sorry. 18:12:12 <daliusd> popey, no problem, you can read it now or later 18:12:13 <rferrazz> another thing: now we are using customized buttons, do we have to use the default components? 18:12:37 <daliusd> I guess we should use default but they are limiting 18:12:45 <daliusd> at least now 18:13:00 <popey> #action popey discuss http://devblog.sandbox.lt/ubuntu_phone_calculator_design.html and current calculator functionality with design team 18:13:00 * meetingology popey discuss http://devblog.sandbox.lt/ubuntu_phone_calculator_design.html and current calculator functionality with design team 18:13:05 <mhall119> ideally it should use the default components, and if they are limited we need to document thelimitation so the SDK team can improve them 18:13:48 <mhall119> there will be times when we something might be so app-specific that it's not appropriate to build it into the default components 18:13:49 <daliusd> mhall119, how to do that? 18:14:04 <mhall119> daliusd: file bugs against the ui-toolkit project on launchpad 18:14:27 <daliusd> mhall119, in this case I think that should be part of SDK - that's just button's text font parameters if I remember correctly 18:14:38 <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit 18:14:39 <daliusd> mhall119, OK I will do that 18:15:14 <popey> daliusd: I would merge the items you have at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+spec/logic-improvements into https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+spec/initial-calculator-development 18:15:27 <popey> so we have a single place to track all the progress 18:15:30 <mhall119> +1 18:15:35 <daliusd> popey, OK. 18:15:41 <mhall119> Blueprints aren't Launchpad's strongest feature, the fewer of them the better 18:15:46 <mhall119> IMO 18:15:47 <popey> indeed 18:15:54 <daliusd> do the same with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+spec/ui-improvements 18:16:02 <popey> yeah 18:16:17 <popey> wouldn't want to lose track of this great stuff! 18:16:54 <daliusd> :) 18:16:57 <popey> ok, lets move on... 18:16:59 <daliusd> ok 18:17:08 <popey> #topic Set milestones 18:17:28 <popey> so we have a milestone which I mentioned on the list as 16 May, for "Alpha Quality" versions of all apps 18:17:33 <popey> now you guys are clearly way ahead of that 18:17:48 <popey> what we'd like to do is get some wider testing of the app 18:17:58 <popey> so we have enabled the building of the app in a ppa.. 18:18:02 <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily 18:18:13 <popey> that ppa has all the apps in, built from trunk every day 18:18:20 <daliusd> That's great :) 18:18:23 <rferrazz> good! 18:18:25 <popey> x86, amd64 (for desktop testing) and armhf for testing on-device 18:18:38 <popey> now none of the apps are currently in the phone image 18:18:52 <popey> but having them in a ppa makes it much easier for testers to try the apps out 18:19:09 <popey> just a "sudo add-apt-repository... " and "sudo apt-get install..." which they can do over ssh to the phone 18:19:20 <popey> obviously that's not for end users to do, but devs and testers 18:19:23 <rferrazz> good! 18:19:27 <daliusd> Have we instructions we could point to other people? 18:19:34 <popey> and given this phone image we have is a "developer preview" we don't think that's too much pain yet 18:19:37 <popey> not yet 18:19:44 <popey> there's a slight bug in the phone at the moment 18:19:49 <daliusd> ok :) 18:19:54 <popey> your app won't show up on the launcher, and I'm working to get that fixed 18:20:08 <popey> we also don't have a set of manual tests for people 18:20:26 <popey> but we're working on that too... Nick Skaggs (balloons on irc) is doing that part of the work 18:20:38 <popey> so we should have that very soon 18:21:05 <daliusd> It looks like we are better covered than we have thought :) 18:21:11 <popey> I'll send a mail about the PPA to the list shortly, so everyone knows what we're up to 18:21:14 <popey> yeah, totally! 18:21:28 <popey> I'm super excited about all this, it's coming along nicely 18:21:49 <popey> that was basically it for what I had to discuss.. 18:21:55 <popey> #topic Any other business 18:22:07 <popey> do you guys have any other questions / issues to raise? 18:22:18 <rferrazz> i have one? 18:22:31 <rferrazz> is there a set of ui elements like icons 18:22:55 <rferrazz> that we can use 18:23:04 <mhall119> good question, I don't know 18:24:33 <daliusd> I guess there is something 18:24:41 <daliusd> because demo contains some icons 18:25:07 <daliusd> nope 18:25:07 <rferrazz> what demo? 18:25:12 <mhall119> yeah, but whether that's official or thrown together for the demo 18:25:16 <daliusd> those icons are part of demo 18:25:24 <popey> mhall119: is that a question for the sdk team? 18:25:29 <daliusd> /usr/lib/qt-components-ubuntu/demos 18:26:01 <mhall119> popey: probably more for the design team, but it should probably get packed by the SDK team 18:26:26 <daliusd> I'm sure there should be some system-wide icon set 18:26:37 <daliusd> otherwise each app will end-up with their own 18:26:44 <rferrazz> agree! 18:26:56 <popey> do you want to ask on the mailing list? 18:27:03 <popey> it seems like something everyone should know about 18:27:22 <popey> and we can make sure the design team see it 18:27:45 <rferrazz> ok i can make the question on the mailing list 18:28:16 <daliusd> Looked into ui-toolkit source code 18:28:19 <daliusd> they have initial set 18:28:20 <daliusd> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/files/head:/themes/Ambiance/qmltheme/artwork/ 18:28:25 <popey> thanks rferrazz 18:30:10 <popey> ok, I think we're done for now? 18:30:45 <rferrazz> yes, so we can do the two tab calculator merging the simple view with the scientific one? 18:31:20 <popey> mhall119: ^^ 18:31:23 <popey> #endmeeting