== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-tn-meeting: futur ubuntu-tn, 12 Mar at 19:11 — 21:46 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === ubuntu-tn aujourd'hui === The discussion about "ubuntu-tn aujourd'hui" started at 19:11. * '''problèmatique''' (19:12) * ''LINK:'' http://papad.org/p/metting-ubuntu * ''IDEA:'' point-faible-ubuntu-tn (sabri-icone, 19:18) * attente-proposition-membre * aucune restriction de langue... vous pouvez parler, français tunisien arabe ou anglais * ''IDEA:'' how to stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days (sabri-icone, 19:23) * ''IDEA:'' need event team (sabri-icone, 19:23) * ''IDEA:'' more team not restricted to area (sabri-icone, 19:24) * ''IDEA:'' les étudiant ne comprend pas le principe de création d'évènement (sabri-icone, 19:35) * ''IDEA:'' manque d'information ou de communication pendant les évènements (sabri-icone, 19:37) * ''IDEA:'' problème avec les abréviation peut causer une certaines ignorance chez les newbies (sabri-icone, 19:38) * ''IDEA:'' the participation of just one member of the community is not motivating new member (sabri-icone, 19:48) * ''IDEA:'' there is no such real world friendships (I mean very close ones) between members which helps to build a strong community ( like MSPs or ISEF Egypt guys, they just are close friends when it comes to real life and that makes it easy to interact and work together) (sabri-icone, 19:48) * ''IDEA:'' abscence d'une calendrier (sabri-icone, 19:48) * ''IDEA:'' the main problem is that we still few people and moreover loosing people and no new member are joining community or becoming active (sabri-icone, 19:49) * '''solution-possible''' (19:50) * ''IDEA:'' supprimer les limites, MC et FF (sabri-icone, 19:57) * ''LINK:'' http://www.agendadulibre.org/ * ''IDEA:'' agenda du libre en tunisie (sabri-icone, 20:00) * ''IDEA:'' membre / région (sabri-icone, 20:02) * ''IDEA:'' being more creating (sabri-icone, 20:04) * ''IDEA:'' being more creative (sabri-icone, 20:04) * ''IDEA:'' instaurer les success story de u-tn (sabri-icone, 20:17) * ''IDEA:'' ideas through imagining wht another person would think (sabri-icone, 20:23) * ''LINK:'' http://papad.org/p/metting-ubuntu * ''Vote:'' supprimer les limites, MC et FF (Denied) * ''Vote:'' agenda du libre en tunisie (Denied) * ''Vote:'' membre / région (Denied) * ''Vote:'' being more creative (Denied) * ''Vote:'' instaurer les success story de u-tn (Denied) * ''Vote:'' more ideas through imagining what another person would think (Denied) * ''Vote:'' frequence des réunion (15/1mois) (Denied) * meeting end * thanks for everyone participated in this meeting, i'm glade of this == Vote results == * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html#463 membre / région]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 3/0/2) * Voters geekette86, elacheche_anis, sabri-icone, nizarus * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html#488 being more creative]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 5/0/0) * Voters geekette86, elacheche_anis, sabri-icone, MedAmine, nizarus * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html#409 agenda du libre en tunisie]] * Deadlock (For/Against/Abstained 2/0/3) * Voters geekette86, MedAmine, elacheche_anis, sabri-icone, ounis * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html#347 supprimer les limites, MC et FF]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 3/3/1) * Voters nizarus, ounis, T_Aloui, elacheche_anis, geekette86, MedAmine, sabri-icone * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html#522 more ideas through imagining what another person would think]] * Deadlock (For/Against/Abstained 1/0/3) * Voters geekette86, MedAmine, elacheche_anis, sabri-icone * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html#507 instaurer les success story de u-tn]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/0) * Voters geekette86, elacheche_anis, MedAmine, sabri-icone * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tn-meeting/2016/ubuntu-tn-meeting.2016-03-12-19.11.log.html#539 frequence des réunion (15/1mois)]] * Deadlock (For/Against/Abstained 1/0/2) * Voters MedAmine, elacheche_anis, geekette86 == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * sabri-icone (263) * T_Aloui (78) * meetingology (78) * geekette86 (68) * MedAmine (29) * ounis (19) * elacheche_anis (16) * nizarus (8) * Na3iL (4) * RachedTN (2) == Full Log == 19:11 #startmeeting futur ubuntu-tn 19:11 Meeting started Sat Mar 12 19:11:18 2016 UTC. The chair is sabri-icone. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:11 19:11 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:11 #topic ubuntu-tn aujourd'hui 19:12 #subtopic problèmatique 19:12 d'abord, salem alikom enness elkol 19:12 salem 19:12 salem 19:12 on va commencer par discuter les problèmes que rencontre ubuntu-tn aujourd'hui 19:12 Salut 19:12 biensûr, chacun est libre de dire ce qu'il pense et on à le papad aussi pour quelques idées 19:13 le plan serait comme suit, 1- on discute des problème, 2- on va discuter les solutions probable, puis on va lancer une vote sur les solutions 19:14 (y) 19:14 et on fait conclure avec les dates et la faisabilité de chaque solution, si quelqu'un a une autre idée il peut nous dire avant de commencer 19:15 ok, on commence.. 19:15 je vais lister quelques problèmes déjà sur le papad pour faire vite 19:15 http://papad.org/p/metting-ubuntu 19:16 -Discuster les points fort et les points faible dans la communauté ubuntu-tn (passé/présent) et prendre des décisions strictes par rapport au futur. -Restructurer la communauté et supprimer la notion des MC/FF -Trouver une forme de récompense ( points ou autres pour les membres actifs), dans n'importe quel domaine ou n'importe quel façon de participation -Penser à instaurer une règle de conduite! -Suivre le c 19:17 1- vue qu'on va discuter les problèmes donc on va commencer par les points faible de la communauté "ubuntu-tn", pourquoi on a un grand frein 19:17 qui veut commencer? 19:18 #idea point-faible-ubuntu-tn 19:18 #info attente-proposition-membre 19:20 Vous êtes toujours là? 19:20 #info aucune restriction de langue... vous pouvez parler, français tunisien arabe ou anglais 19:21 l'important est de participer 19:21 oui pour moi the main problem is how to stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days 19:22 ok, je note ça 19:23 we need event team i think 19:23 #idea how to stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days 19:23 not organizing team 19:23 #idea need event team 19:23 people who will be able to go and animate workshop 19:24 and that is can be even more then one team 19:24 yeah, actually that's the main problem... who's or who can maintin this 19:24 exactly 19:24 for example 10 members in event team 19:24 #idea more team not restricted to area 19:24 if 5 can't do it we still have 5 19:25 yeah, no restriction to be instaured 19:26 who can't say "we cant go" because they 'commit' that they will be an event team 19:26 si fhemtouni 19:26 oui, fehemtek 19:27 w chaque region 19:27 fiha team 19:27 more well organized team, but the main problem still same... need people who can do it 19:27 oui, 19:27 tunis,sousse,sfax,gabes(puisque akther blayess fiha membres) 19:27 de préférence nahkiw ken fel machekal, bch baad yebda rapport wadheh 19:27 sabri-icone: seems that we rae the only ones here xD 19:28 yeah 19:28 if you are present people 19:28 anis is here but he's not talking 19:28 poke 19:28 just 19:28 elacheche_anis: 19:28 reading 19:28 lubotu3: 19:28 ounis: 19:28 sabri-icone: 19:28 sabri-icone: lubotu3 is a bot :) 19:28 T_Aloui: 19:28 hh, aya béhi 19:28 ubuntulo12: 19:28 meetingology: 19:28 MedAmine: 19:28 ubuntulo12 & meetingology as well :) 19:28 yeah, it was a big finger 19:29 ChanServ: 19:29 chaker: 19:29 some people has name near to bots, sorry 19:29 lol 19:29 people here, could you participate please 19:29 sure 19:30 hello :) was just reading what I missed .. 19:30 as we say, this is an open event everyone need to participate we are community, friends and from same country so please dont miss this opportunity 19:30 hi again 19:30 I was just reading :p 19:30 nop 19:31 so sorry again :p 19:31 we are discussing about ubuntu--tn porblem 19:31 problem* 19:31 to be honest I'm failing to follow any community activities due to (I know it's not an excuse) professional and familial engagements, I'm lazy too 19:31 I guess it's common with lots of people sympathizing with the community 19:31 ounis: nop ounis... it's same for everyone but we want to discuss community problem it's better 19:32 when someone loves things but can't got them it's not that things but his own, so we can't blame him 19:32 so return to main problem 19:32 that's an issue IMHO because no interest in community activity is a problem 19:32 i said my point 19:32 the idea is to discuss ubuntu-tn issue and only ubuntu-tn without thinking that someone is cause of that 19:33 that must help us to find solution after 19:33 kay 19:33 if u have a point ounis can you say it 19:33 u will help us 19:34 second problem benessbaliya 19:34 elli les etudiants yel9aw sou3ouba fi fehmen 19:35 methodology 19:35 te3 kifech ye3mel event 19:35 ML w communication ... 19:35 #idea les étudiant ne comprend pas le principe de création d'évènement 19:36 donc lezem formule simple 19:36 Tic Tac 19:36 momken hedha yji mel manque de communication fel évenement fi had thato 19:36 geekette86: could you please elaborate more on that idea ? 19:36 could u please not use many abbreviations :p ? 19:36 donc, manque d'information ou de communication pendant les évènements 19:36 MedAmine: OK SORRY 19:37 #idea manque d'information ou de communication pendant les évènements 19:37 MedAmine: yu don't have to be sorry man, as i say we are friend here dont worry 19:37 T_Aloui: ok, i think that' this also an issue for newbies hhh 19:38 yh :p xD 19:38 #idea problème avec les abréviation peut causer une certaines ignorance chez les newbies 19:39 ounis: T_Aloui MedAmine , des idées? 19:39 nop 19:39 qui peut relever des problèmes de sont côté? 19:39 vous pensez que certains frein sont visible et peuvent empêcher l'évolution d'ubuntu-tn 19:40 - lack of media efficiency ( I don't know how to put it :p ) 19:40 Well I am still waiting for geekette86 to explain more what she means with a simple formula .. 19:40 I mean not much people know wht ubuntu-TN is about 19:41 student in general don't know how they can ask for event 19:41 they just drop message in FB or mail without many informations 19:42 so if we had a kind of form that students fill it and then they send it to the ML 19:42 it will be easy for them 19:42 So the idea is that as a community we are not organizing soft-skills development workshops or sth like that, so that they would be able to contribute more efficiently in the community 19:42 That's wht I understood 19:43 and anis will stop explain every time how they should write an email xD 19:43 certains, nouveau vois que l'absence des évenement en ligne ou de ne pas a proximité des anciens membre est un problème par exemple 19:44 So we need more events : Workshops, soft-skills stuff, Team building (for exp we meet in a café and talk together), Media, newbies integration program 19:45 Certains trouve que l'abscence d'une calendrier et aussi un problème 19:45 we are not talking about solution 19:45 only problem 19:46 yh it just translates the need 19:46 yeah, but it's just to have a good report in the end 19:47 actually i'm reading the papad, 19:47 and reporting written problem 19:47 so, people think that the participation of just one member of the community is not motivating new member 19:47 in other words, there is no such real world friendships (I mean very close ones) between members which helps to build a strong community ( like MSPs or ISEF Egypt guys, they just are close friends when it comes to real life and that makes it easy to interact and work together) 19:48 #idea the participation of just one member of the community is not motivating new member 19:48 #idea there is no such real world friendships (I mean very close ones) between members which helps to build a strong community ( like MSPs or ISEF Egypt guys, they just are close friends when it comes to real life and that makes it easy to interact and work together) 19:48 #idea abscence d'une calendrier 19:49 for me, the main problem is that we still few people and moreover loosing people and no new member are joining community or becoming active 19:49 Lack of Newbies integration 19:49 #idea the main problem is that we still few people and moreover loosing people and no new member are joining community or becoming active 19:50 i think we already report the most recognised problem, we will start talking about probable solution 19:50 Well since we're not going to event / organizing any no one will want to join .. 19:50 #subtopic solution-possible 19:51 comment rester visible tout le temps? 19:52 idée de geekette: stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days 19:52 event to show what we can do with Ubuntu 19:52 it's not just about being visible "all the time" 19:52 pour moi, je vois tout les évènements qui passent sur la ML certe, je ne vois personne participer à part elacheche_anis, personnellement je suis loin de pouvoir me présenter 19:53 from server side to automotive industry 19:53 - Newbies integration system ( a team composed of experienced members, guides newbies and helps them enter to the community activities) 19:53 so, what we can do, i think this is the website but as mc was designed to do this nothing has been done 19:53 may be because everyone one is waiting of someone else's job 19:53 - More events 19:53 and this stay not resolved 19:54 donc pour moi, la première chose c'est de prendre l'idée de nizar 19:54 - Contact Medias to promote the community's events and use social networks 19:54 Groups ... 19:55 c koi l'idée de nizar dsl 19:55 it's not just about 'more' events .. we need 'quality' events ! 19:55 déjà faire un merge entre les sous groupe de ubuntu-tn, plus de mc ni de FF ou merger entre les deux et savoir diviser par région ou autre 19:55 nizar a dit de commencer par merger entre FF et MC 19:55 what are exactly MC and FF ? 19:55 je trouve que depuis ce truc a commencer ça à déchirer la communauté 19:56 +1 19:56 donc plus de réunion privé ni de favorisation, on va rejouer les cartes pour le bien de ubuntu-tn 19:56 MC: manager community 19:56 FF freedom fighter 19:56 FF:freedom fighter 19:56 merci Geekette 19:57 +1000 19:57 #idea supprimer les limites, MC et FF 19:57 oui je suis pour plus des titres 19:57 l'autre idée que je le support bien et celui de geekette, avoir une ségrégation entre les membres 19:57 nous sommes tou des memebres 19:58 surtout quand c'est évenement lointain sans contrainte de nombre ou quoi que se soit 19:58 #agreed more people by region 19:59 une bonne nouvelle, c'est que pour la calendrier j'ai un modèle et qui peut vous être utile 19:59 http://www.agendadulibre.org/ 19:59 c'est celle de la france, mais elle peut être fachement utile en tunisie! 20:00 #idea agenda du libre en tunisie 20:00 on peut proposer ça pour tout le monde et aussi crée la notre dans une site ubuntu et dans le wiki 20:01 alo 20:01 +1 looks good to me :) 20:01 oui 20:01 non non ps de vote, je veut juste lire vos idée 20:01 donc aham points 20:01 la vote et à la fin 20:02 eni nrahom nekhdmou 3lihom 20:02 event bech nerj3ou le soura 20:02 site web 20:02 I propose a switch to linux campaign with a good media help and national events and workshops under the movement " Switch to linux" 20:02 #idea membre / région 20:02 FF & MC 20:03 T_Aloui: ceci doit être avec la collaboration des autes communauté 20:03 j'ai pas compris 20:03 , 20:03 N 20:03 ? 20:03 T_Aloui: yep but it is really hard to get to the media 20:03 Geekette, on peut à la rigueur avoir une section membre/région dans le wiki 20:03 if we do great events, great workshops we can get the media 20:04 T_Aloui: idée généraliste sinon on doit dire switch 2 ubuntu 20:04 and we should be creative 20:04 c'est plus spécifique 20:04 #idea being more creating 20:04 #idea being more creative 20:05 creativity for exp : we talk with a gamer youtuber to play games on linux and help the linux gaming spread in tunisia ( I mean on ubuntu :p ) 20:06 so that we change the idea that games on ubuntu suck 20:07 yeah, about creativity already there's more and more solution rather than games... games is the hardest argument, we can say the impossible one after the designer 20:08 we can talk about more others things, for game we just start with steam 20:08 students care a lot abt coding, system.. 20:08 Well I'm with switch to linux movement as a name cuz once people recognize how awesome linux is, we start a 2nd step in the ubuntu promotion process 20:08 weekly videos will be awesome i think 20:08 yh 20:08 a new 20:09 Youtube channel for the community 20:09 where someone takes care of it 20:09 ping 20:09 and community members can post in it after a verification of some experienced members 20:10 from * 20:10 T_Aloui: +1 20:10 i would like to say, new member have to confident 20:10 and must be free to post what they want without limitation, of course only restriction must be to be out of topic 20:11 I didn't understand once again :p +1 ? 20:11 hh, okay 20:11 we have to motivate any reject with an argument 20:11 this is encouraging people to contribute and being responsible 20:12 another thing is to help people to find the positive point of being member of a community 20:12 i already have a lot of them 20:12 yh that's important 20:12 ! 20:12 cuz for exp many of my friends wanna be MSPs 20:12 yet 20:12 I don't want to cuz I believe in the ubuntu TN goals 20:13 and I personnaly don't care about the benifits from the community as long as I believe in them 20:13 yeah, it's human 20:13 however for someone new :/ and that wants benifits, it would be hard to convince him :/ 20:13 people need to know need to grow 20:13 at all, at MSP they didn't have anything 20:14 i will explain to you 20:14 MSP will access to some of microsoft book and product, this product are already payable 20:14 you need to buy them if you are not a member, 20:15 in linux, you dont pay aything already 20:15 hhh 20:15 so no need to be member to access to that, there's no sens 20:15 but with community you can share knowledge 20:15 know people 20:15 have friend, surpass your fear 20:16 there's more than our simple life, communication is a big offer 20:16 and friends is best and more 20:16 nous avons beaucoup de success storys d'anciens membres de la communaut� (trouver un job, lancer une startup, ...) 20:16 mais le probl�me de u-tn c'est que nous n'avons pas de traces de �a 20:17 c'�tait le probl�me de u-tn depuis le d�but : �crire pour garder des traces 20:17 yh what if u're already a member :p You will have free access to MS products, and also softwares in Windows are much better in quality, also there are many high quality games that run only on linux, also in MSP I can learn leadership skills and a lot of MSPs are having success storys and working abroad and they're pretty successful + a lot of other advantages 20:17 #idea instaurer les success story de u-tn 20:17 ping 20:18 RachedTN: ahla bik 20:18 wbik akther :) 20:18 T_Aloui: je ne suis pas du tout d'accord sur la qualité des produit... non pas du tout, pour les jeux oui 20:19 So I can have the same advantages of U-Tn with a lot of other advantages and also there are a lot of prizes offered by MS 20:19 MS prizes are not to MSP but to genius 20:19 # I am just testing ur respond to a newbie that doesn't know why to enter U-tn xD 20:20 and you can get more and more prizes in open source, not especially in ubuntu but in any others linux distribution, just search and get 20:20 elacheche_bedis is the best example 20:20 geekette86: is also a good example :D but she already win on imaginCup and she was not MSP! 20:21 so conclusion, we need to demistify a lot of things about ubuntu, make ubuntu tn membership benifits more visible and make u-tn success stories more visible 20:21 yea 20:22 guys pls u shouldn't think that my previous messages are out of real belief I'm just trying to come up with new ideas through imagining wht another person would think 20:22 yeah good idea :) 20:22 nop, i understand 20:23 #agreed come up with new ideas through imagining wht another person would think 20:23 #idea ideas through imagining wht another person would think 20:24 deux points sont peut-être moins important mais des facteurs clé 20:25 est-ce que chacun présent ici peut participer a des réunion mensuel ou par quizaine dans le mm topic? 20:25 oui 20:25 why not 20:25 Le Me 20:25 et le deuxième qui croit qu'il peut trouver des nouveau membre dans son entourage, même des lyciéens 20:25 on s'en fou de l'age, nous avons deux lycéen avant 20:26 donc si oui, quel fréquence vous préférer, quizaine, ou mensuel 20:26 I was one when I joined :p 20:26 well I'm 15 years old 20:26 so it's obvious 20:27 I'm more interested in promoting u tn in high schools 20:27 cuz I'm active in that community 20:27 :p 20:28 it's also interresting to have a secondary school community 20:28 no I just meant it'd be easier for me to promote u-tn in high schools I think 20:28 :p 20:29 benessba liya elfatra hedhi chak15 20:29 ok 20:29 bon, mafema hata ando hkaya o5ra? 20:30 and I'm searching for guys in my high school that believe in the same project ( which we called "Switch to linux") and we hope to promote Linux and ubuntu in our high school then move to the active guys we know in Gabes 20:30 and I found some interesting ones 20:30 well guys 20:30 I have an event Dev Camp 20:30 and I want utn to be present 20:31 to help me achieve my personal goal ( " to promote ubuntu in my high school " ) 20:31 you are ubuntu-tn member 20:31 so, we already have one 20:31 i think that we already have someone else 20:32 geekette86: you know some people from GabeS? 20:32 yh IK it's just that I want experienced ones to come and do that cuz they know more and can attract people 20:32 oh MY good buddy Naeil :p Hi :D 20:32 yes 20:32 we can work on this event, i think 2-3 people is suffificient 20:33 yh 20:33 someone for presentation and others to help members 20:33 Well I already sent full presentation in an email to the mail list if u're interested in knowing more details :p 20:33 yeah 20:33 GFOSS? 20:34 o/ @All sorry for the delay 20:34 hi there :D whussup :p ? 20:35 fine T_Aloui thank you glad that you joined the meeting tonight :) 20:35 Na3iL: yu can look on this: 20:35 problem: main problem is how to stay visible all the time , i hardly see any events those days student in general don't know how they can ask for event probleme avec les short term les anciens ne sont plus disponible ++++++++++++++ solution: ++++++++++++++ supprimer les limites, MC et FF agenda du libre en tunisie membre / région avoir une section membre/région dans le wiki being more creative instaurer les succes 20:37 Well, IMHO to stay visible all the time we need to organize events, not only assist the events that are already organized by some clubs/communities.. 20:39 T_Aloui, I assume that you mentioned your event in Gabes right? 20:39 exactly what I wanted to say .. we need to get to action not wait for others to invite us 20:40 and one more thing .. it's not just about quantity .. we need quality 20:40 that's good 20:40 no blame about quality and quantity... we start asking for people to join us 20:41 let's take the FOSSDAY event that happened today 20:41 join us join us 20:41 hhh 20:41 today ! 20:41 where? 20:41 I am talking about events quality .. I mean our events need to be well organized and prepared 20:41 yeah 20:41 @Enit 20:41 MedAmine: Error: "Enit" is not a valid command. 20:42 @ ENIT 20:42 MedAmine: Error: "ENIT" is not a valid command. 20:42 at the ENIT .. event organized by G2Foss 20:43 i see yeah 20:43 strange, we already have some member there.. 20:43 eu 20:43 euh 20:43 ok 20:44 a big event like that can be good to promote ubuntu and ubuntu-tn community 20:47 on va commencer la vote 20:47 ok 20:47 I went there .. went well but not that successful .. 20:47 #vote supprimer les limites, MC et FF 20:47 Please vote on: supprimer les limites, MC et FF 20:47 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:47 +1 20:47 +1 received from geekette86 20:47 -1 20:47 -1 received from nizarus 20:47 #votesrequired 6 20:47 votes now need 6 to be passed 20:48 +0 20:48 +0 received from MedAmine 20:48 -1 We need to keep the structure like the international one.. 20:48 -1 We need to keep the structure like the international one.. received from elacheche_anis 20:49 elacheche_anis: aucune idée de quoi tu parle, nous n'avons pas ça en france 20:49 au moins pour l'association il y a le AG pour respecter la loi, est encore.. aucune vote privé 20:50 sabri-icone: https://community.ubuntu.com/community-structure/ 20:50 il faut faire le m�nage dans les MC/FF pas supprimer les MC/FF 20:50 �tre FF et MC �a peut �tre une source de motivation :) 20:50 actuellement il parait de c'est un source de démotivation 20:50 http://papad.org/p/metting-ubuntu 20:51 pas mal ont quitté les activité a cause de ça 20:52 donc, actuellement il faut enlever les limites la structure n'est pas obligatoire c'est optionnel 20:52 delete( FF + MC); 20:52 notre but c'est d'avoir plus de membre et on peut alimenter cette notion après 20:52 add(motivational_stuff(points...)); 20:52 de toute manière quand j'était membre elle n'y était pas 20:53 je voulais dire quand j'ai adhérer 20:53 ubuntu-tn 20:54 sabri-icone: It was always there.. Years before you join the community sabri-icone : 20:54 :) 20:55 i don't remember this sorry, FF and MC members has been elected by same member in 2012 i think 20:56 no matter, actualy it's one of main problem 20:56 and if something is not letting ubuntu-tn to live we have to delete it, we are not obliged to apply rule 20:57 we can have our rules, so our needs is to get active community 20:57 and motivated members 20:59 +1 20:59 +1 received from sabri-icone 21:01 we need one more vote 21:01 MedAmine: 21:01 ounis: 21:01 ChanServ: 21:01 chaker: 21:01 already voted :) 21:01 sorry was distracted 21:02 sorry 21:02 T_Aloui: 21:02 -1 21:02 -1 received from T_Aloui 21:02 voting about what? 21:02 So after thinking 21:03 supprimer les limites, MC et FF 21:03 +1 21:03 +1 received from ounis 21:03 meetingology shut up 21:03 ounis: Error: "shut" is not a valid command. 21:03 hhh ounis 21:03 meetingology list 21:03 ounis: Admin, Channel, Config, MeetBot, Misc, NickAuth, NickCapture, Owner, and User 21:04 #endvote 21:04 Voting ended on: supprimer les limites, MC et FF 21:04 Votes for:3 Votes against:3 Abstentions:1 21:04 Motion denied 21:04 #vote agenda du libre en tunisie 21:04 Please vote on: agenda du libre en tunisie 21:04 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:04 I believe we should still use FF MC thing, without changing the structure cuz it's a motivation for members + we just change a bit the way that structure works 21:04 #votesrequired 6 21:04 votes now need 6 to be passed 21:05 T_Aloui: Motion denied → We keep the actual structure 21:05 bref, on est entrain de voter... 21:06 let's, instead of changing the structure just change the way we work 21:06 recruit members 21:06 and solve the other stuff 21:06 nous avons 3/3 sur l'idée N1 donc je vais lancer une appel sur la ML après 21:06 +0 A calendar is good, but finding contributors to contribute to the calendar events is a hard thing to do.. That's a challenge.. 21:06 +0 A calendar is good, but finding contributors to contribute to the calendar events is a hard thing to do.. That's a challenge.. received from elacheche_anis 21:06 I don't think that FF and MC thing would hold people from participating in u-tn activities 21:07 could u tell me what's the exact work of FF and MC ( in detail ) and how they're elected or accepted 21:07 :p 21:07 ? 21:07 T_Aloui: j'ai déja deux preuve que des personnes ont arrêté leurs participation a cause de ça 21:07 I wanna know more ( IK a bit but not that much about them) 21:07 donc, comme j'ai on vote 21:07 on a déjà discuté ça 21:07 +1 21:07 +1 received from sabri-icone 21:08 refuser une idée juste pour le faite qu'on a personne pour le faire ne fait pas avancer les choses... 21:08 on vote pour l'idée, la faisaibilité de l'idée et déjà une autre idée totalement différente 21:09 geekette86: 21:09 meetingology: 21:09 MedAmine: 21:09 T_Aloui: 21:09 ounis: 21:09 nizarus: 21:09 +1 we already have a cal we need to update it 21:09 +1 we already have a cal we need to update it received from MedAmine 21:09 ChanServ: 21:09 chaker: 21:09 big finger, i'm always typing wrongs names.. 21:10 we have only three votes... 21:10 +0 21:10 +0 received from geekette86 21:10 0 21:10 0 received from ounis 21:12 ounis: saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel 21:12 meetingology knew what I said 21:12 ounis: Error: "knew" is not a valid command. 21:12 dumbshit 21:13 hhh 21:15 MedAmine: wink 21:15 already voted :'( 21:16 okay sorry 21:16 #endvote 21:16 Voting ended on: agenda du libre en tunisie 21:16 Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3 21:16 Motion denied 21:17 #vote membre / région 21:17 Please vote on: membre / région 21:17 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:18 #votesrequired 6 21:18 votes now need 6 to be passed 21:18 +1 21:18 +1 received from sabri-icone 21:18 T_Aloui: MedAmine ounis nizarus elacheche_anis geekette86 chaker 21:18 what are we voting about exactly ? 21:19 +1 21:19 +1 received from geekette86 21:19 +1 21:19 +1 received from nizarus 21:19 0 21:19 0 received from elacheche_anis 21:22 ya MedAmine chnowa tabaa fi match? 21:22 guys bye :p 21:23 [22:18] what are we voting about exactly ? 21:23 membre / région, on crée une liste ou autre... ou même juste on aurait conscience que les membres participe plutôt dans leur région, ceci permet mieux de gérer les évènement 21:23 proposition de geekette86 21:24 bon, apparement on a pas assez de personne ici déjà 21:24 #endvote 21:24 Voting ended on: membre / région 21:24 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 21:24 Motion denied 21:24 #vote being more creative 21:24 Please vote on: being more creative 21:24 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:24 +1 21:24 +1 received from sabri-icone 21:25 +1 (we need to figure out how) 21:25 +1 (we need to figure out how) received from geekette86 21:26 +1 21:26 +1 received from MedAmine 21:26 +1 21:26 +1 received from nizarus 21:26 +1 21:26 +1 received from elacheche_anis 21:29 #endvote 21:29 Voting ended on: being more creative 21:29 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:29 Motion denied 21:32 what else is on our to do list ? 21:32 instaurer les success story de u-tn ideas through imagining wht another person would think frequence des réunion (15/1mois) 21:32 #vote instaurer les success story de u-tn 21:32 Please vote on: instaurer les success story de u-tn 21:32 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:33 +1 21:33 +1 received from geekette86 21:33 +1 maybe keep a record somewhere on the wiki ? 21:33 +1 maybe keep a record somewhere on the wiki ? received from MedAmine 21:33 +1 21:33 +1 received from elacheche_anis 21:34 +1 21:34 +1 received from sabri-icone 21:35 #endvote 21:35 Voting ended on: instaurer les success story de u-tn 21:35 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:35 Motion denied 21:35 #vote more ideas through imagining what another person would think 21:35 Please vote on: more ideas through imagining what another person would think 21:35 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:35 +1 21:35 +1 received from sabri-icone 21:36 0 21:36 0 received from elacheche_anis 21:36 I don't understand that.. 21:37 +0 21:37 +0 received from MedAmine 21:37 geekette86: 21:37 0 21:37 0 received from geekette86 21:38 #endvote 21:38 Voting ended on: more ideas through imagining what another person would think 21:38 Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3 21:38 Motion denied 21:38 #vote frequence des réunion (15/1mois) 21:38 Please vote on: frequence des réunion (15/1mois) 21:38 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:39 +1 15j 21:39 +1 15j received from MedAmine 21:39 0 21:39 0 received from elacheche_anis 21:39 0 21:39 0 received from geekette86 21:40 I'll be here whenever there is a meeting, I'm already here all month long 21:40 thanks elacheche_anis 21:40 #endvote 21:40 Voting ended on: frequence des réunion (15/1mois) 21:40 Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 21:40 Motion denied 21:42 bon on a finie 21:43 #info meeting end 21:44 there is endmeeting command 21:44 #info thanks for everyone participated in this meeting, i'm glade of this 21:44 i know, 21:44 i need to talk more, i think this must be in the report 21:45 thx 21:45 all 21:45 Donc, un mail sera envoyé sur la ML avec le résultat des votes (pour contre, abstention) 21:46 pour que ceux qui ne nous ont pas honoré par leur présence aurons cette information, je vais voir avec anis si on doit mettre le wiki avec ça 21:46 Sinon, encore merci et bonne soirée à tout le monde 21:46 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)