20:04 <Letozaf_> #startmeeting <Ubuntu Loco Team monthly meeting> 20:04 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 12 20:04:03 2018 UTC. The chair is Letozaf_. 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Note that the URL is incorrect, including wiki.ubuntu.com too many times 20:11 <kyrofa> Do we have anyone from the Myanmar LoCo here? 20:12 <nhaines> The correct URL is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyanmarTeam/VerificationApplication2017 20:12 <kenvandine> i noticed the wiki page hasn't been updated since november 20:12 <kokoye2007> yes me 20:12 <thohi> yes . 20:12 <kenvandine> hi kokoye2007! 20:12 <kyrofa> Indeed, nothing seems to have changed at all since November 20:12 <kenvandine> and thohi! 20:12 <kenvandine> but we have representatives here this month, woot! 20:12 <kokoye2007> we need update for 2018 3 event 20:12 <kyrofa> Very nice, welcome kokoye2007 and thohi 20:13 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, how about 2017? Did anything happen? 20:14 <kokoye2007> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-mm/events/history/ 20:14 <Letozaf_> I see some pictures here : https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-mm/pool/ about the 17.10 release party 20:14 <kokoye2007> 19 event and still need update 20:15 <nhaines> Lots of activity there. Were those events not important enough to be considered in the verification application? 20:15 <Letozaf_> maybe we didn't see them then 20:16 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, they're _still_ not on the application :) 20:16 <kenvandine> great turnout for the 17.10 release party 20:16 <kokoye2007> thanks 20:17 <kokoye2007> we make a lot of event and distribution 20:17 <thohi> We make other open source and open data events use with "contributed by Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team". 20:17 <kokoye2007> we never missed release party 20:18 <thohi> Is that also options for good ? 20:19 <thohi> If we put such events , We said in local Ubuntu is everywhere :) 20:19 <kyrofa> Just to remind everyone about our previous review, here are the relevant minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-63 20:20 <kenvandine> kyrofa, thx 20:21 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: it would be nice to list those events on the re-verification 20:21 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, thohi the questions that are coming up this time are the same: it seems you're active, but your application still looks incomplete, the most recent event being in 2016 20:21 <kokoye2007> wooo 20:21 <kokoye2007> thanks for kindly 20:21 <kokoye2007> we missed this re application meeting 20:22 <kyrofa> kokoye2007, and you put yourselves on the agenda last month as well, with no changes 20:22 <kokoye2007> bcz of timezones and date. apologize. sorry 20:22 <kyrofa> We gave you this time to prepare your application, and I personally see no changes 20:22 <kenvandine> agreed 20:22 <kenvandine> we can see activity though, but it's not being documented on the reverification 20:23 <kokoye2007> yes. it's my bad 20:24 <kokoye2007> try to collect best event and photo. I still open in re application wiki edit 20:24 <kokoye2007> also we make user guide in local language 20:26 <kokoye2007> hello 20:26 <kokoye2007> ubuntumm.sf.net 20:26 <nhaines> kokoye2007: it doesn't look like the reverification application mentions a local language user guide. 20:28 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, that's great 20:28 <kokoye2007> sorry for application updated 20:29 <kokoye2007> bcz missed many event and activities 20:29 <kokoye2007> https://github.com/fossmyanmar/ubuntu-mm-wiki?files=1 20:29 <kokoye2007> it's one of old project. now we printed and share at event 20:29 <kokoye2007> like that we missed on wiki 20:29 <nhaines> That looks very comprehensive, but hasn't been updated in over two years. 20:30 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: it's great to see all that you have done, but I'd still really like to see it all on the application 20:30 <kokoye2007> yes 20:30 <kenvandine> i suggest we vote to approve ubuntu-mm for 1 more month to allow time to include all this awesome stuff on the application 20:31 <kenvandine> shall we vote? 20:31 <Letozaf_> #vote 20:31 <meetingology> Please vote on: 20:31 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:31 <Letozaf_> +1 20:31 <kokoye2007> every reapply and when we apply Ubuntu member application. we need more improve at wiki 20:31 <nhaines> Let's restart the vote. 20:31 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, the vote should have a topic (what are we voting on) 20:31 <kenvandine> hang on... include a description in what we are voting 20:31 <kokoye2007> thanks for your ... 20:32 <Letozaf_> sorry guys 20:32 <nhaines> #undo 20:32 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: LINK 20:32 <nhaines> #endvote 20:32 <meetingology> No vote in progress 20:32 <Letozaf_> #vote for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification 20:32 <meetingology> Please vote on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification 20:32 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:32 <kyrofa> Letozaf_, that's okay! First time is always a bit weird :) 20:33 <kenvandine> Letozaf_, can we try one more time specifying extension :) 20:34 <Letozaf_> #vote approve Myanmar LoCo 1 month extension 20:34 <meetingology> Voting still open on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification 20:34 <kyrofa> #undo 20:34 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: LINK 20:34 <kyrofa> #endvote 20:34 <meetingology> Voting ended on: for Myanmar LoCo Team re-verification 20:34 <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:34 <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used 20:34 <kyrofa> Darn 20:34 <Letozaf_> sorry for the mess 20:35 <kenvandine> no worries 20:35 <nhaines> #vote MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application 20:35 <meetingology> Please vote on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application 20:35 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:35 <kenvandine> +1 20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine 20:35 <nhaines> +1 20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines 20:35 <Letozaf_> +1 20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_ 20:35 <Gsilvapt_> +1 20:35 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_ 20:35 <kyrofa> -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized 20:35 <meetingology> -1 we have already granted an extension for exactly this, and it was not utilized received from kyrofa 20:36 <Letozaf_> #endvote 20:36 <meetingology> Voting ended on: MyanmarTeam 1 month extension to update application 20:36 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 20:36 <meetingology> Motion carried 20:36 <Letozaf_> (fiew) 20:36 <kenvandine> kokoye2007, thohi: please update that application including all this great stuff 20:37 <kokoye2007> thanks 20:37 <nhaines> kokoye2007: The application indicates that the LoCo is not active at all and has done nothing in the past year. But we see that this isn't true! 20:37 <kenvandine> and please try to attend the meeting next month 20:37 <nhaines> So we need that to be in the application, because that's what we read a week before the meeting to help us make a decision. 20:37 <kenvandine> we'll vote then for full reverification 20:37 <Letozaf_> it's a pitty that all the work you do is not documented in the Wiki 20:37 <thohi> thanks , I will put other related events. 20:38 <nhaines> Plus, it will be helpful to you and to other LoCos to have that all in one place. :) 20:40 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification 20:40 <Letozaf_> Anyone from the Switzerland LoCo around? 20:41 <Letozaf_> #topic Ubuntu Switzerland LoCo re-verification 20:42 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubunut LoCo Team 12th February 2018 Montly meating 20:42 <kyrofa> As a reminder, our previous review of SwissTeam was an extension. Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.log.html#l-320 20:44 <kyrofa> That was the big DRAFT one, heh 20:45 <Letozaf_> #meetingtopic Ubuntu LoCo Team 12th February 2018 montly meeting 20:45 <nhaines> In the meantime, they removed "DRAFT" and added a link to one event to plan for an 18.04 release party. 20:46 <kyrofa> Similar to before, I like their Linux Day site, which seems active 20:47 <nhaines> I still don't see any activity on the mailing list, Facebook page, or Flickr. 20:47 <kyrofa> This list of current events on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam#Events_and_other_activities jumps from 2014 to 2018 20:48 <kyrofa> And 2018 events are "in planning" 20:50 <kyrofa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/PastActivities goes to 2013 20:50 <nhaines> I have questions about their activity, but no one is here to answer them. :/ 20:51 <nhaines> I think we should move this application to Launchpad and get more information. That way they don't need to be online at the meeting. 20:51 <kenvandine> nhaines, +1 20:51 <Gsilvapt_> Agreed 20:51 <Letozaf_> +1 20:51 <nhaines> #vote Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. 20:51 <meetingology> Please vote on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. 20:51 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:52 <kenvandine> +1 20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine 20:52 <Letozaf_> +1 20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_ 20:52 <nhaines> Lets make it official :) 20:52 <nhaines> +1 20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines 20:52 <Gsilvapt_> +1 20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_ 20:52 <kyrofa> +1 20:52 <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa 20:52 <nhaines> #endvote 20:52 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Provisional 1 month extension for SwissTeam and move application process to Launchpad. 20:52 <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:52 <meetingology> Motion carried 20:53 <nhaines> Okay, that should give them a chance to respond. It *looks* like they're up to good things, but we need some more proof. 20:53 <Gsilvapt_> What's next in the agenda? There's something I'd like to ask the council but that can be done in the end 20:54 <Letozaf_> I think that's all with the agenda 20:54 <kyrofa> That should be it 20:54 <nhaines> I think that's all the agenda items. 20:55 <Gsilvapt_> Ok, so I want to ask something that also has to be asked to the Council. I don't know how many of you are aware of the Framework in the European Union about to be approved that can harm free and open source software 20:55 <Gsilvapt_> It's about copyright and such: https://savecodeshare.eu/ 20:55 <Gsilvapt_> This covers most of it. 20:56 <Gsilvapt_> The Portuguese local team is considering helping other open and not-for-profit organisation but we are concerned about whether its part of our responsibility or not 20:56 <kyrofa> Whether what, exactly, is part of our responsibility? 20:57 <Gsilvapt_> If on one hand it is related with Ubuntu's core philosophy, we understand if this can be seen as taking a political stand point 20:57 <Gsilvapt_> And, obviously, we don't want to cross our limits as a LoCo 20:57 * kenvandine isn't a lawyer, but i think in general it's good to support such causes 20:57 <nhaines> Ubuntu is comprised of Free and Open Source Software, so raising awareness of issues that impact the FOSS community and thus Ubuntu is definitely in your scope. And it's okay to not take positions on such things, too. That's for every LoCo to decide. 20:58 <kenvandine> spreading awareness is harmless 20:58 <nhaines> Some countries may allow this or disallow this, based on whether the LoCo is registered as a non-profit organization or not, so I think we can leave the decision up to every team. 20:59 <Gsilvapt_> Can we somehow mark it as an official decision? Just for the record 20:59 <kenvandine> oh, there are some loco's that are registered as non-profits? 21:00 <Gsilvapt_> I can still consult the Community Council, as I was expecting doing so anyways, but it would be great to have the LoCo Council's opinion 21:00 <Gsilvapt_> Well, the Portuguese is not @kenvandine 21:00 <nhaines> kenvandine: very popular in Europe as I understand. :) 21:00 <kenvandine> i was just surprised to hear there are some that are 21:01 <nhaines> Allows them to take donations legally and to qualify for cultural grants and other nice things. 21:01 <kenvandine> true, but lots of paperwork :) 21:02 <Gsilvapt_> May make it worth it if they use its advantages often 21:02 <kenvandine> that's great 21:02 <Gsilvapt_> s/make/be 21:02 <kenvandine> i just hadn't considered that 21:02 <kenvandine> cool 21:02 <kenvandine> Gsilvapt_, i think our stance has to be that it's up to the individual locos 21:02 <kenvandine> as laws differ, etc 21:02 <Gsilvapt_> Regarding the previous issue, is there a way to record the Council's opinion on the issue I brought up? 21:02 <Gsilvapt_> Either by vote or something else 21:03 <Gsilvapt_> Makes sense @kenvandine 21:07 <nhaines> I'm trying to think of the right way to word that. 21:08 <nhaines> #vote Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws. 21:08 <meetingology> Please vote on: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws. 21:08 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:08 <nhaines> +1 21:08 <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines 21:09 <kenvandine> +1 21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine 21:09 <Gsilvapt_> +1 21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from Gsilvapt_ 21:09 <Letozaf_> +1 21:09 <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_ 21:09 <Gsilvapt_> Thank you everyone 21:11 <kyrofa> +0 21:11 <meetingology> +0 received from kyrofa 21:11 <nhaines> #endvote 21:11 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Position statement: political activism that is related to Ubuntu, Free Software, or Open Source Software is acceptable, in accordance with each LoCo team's interest and their local laws. 21:11 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:11 <meetingology> Motion carried 21:12 <Gsilvapt_> I guess everything is carried out then :) 21:12 <nhaines> Gsilvapt_: good luck with that work. :) 21:12 <Gsilvapt_> Thank you! 21:12 <kenvandine> i think that's everything 21:13 <Gsilvapt_> Should we end it? 21:14 <Letozaf_> #endmeeting