20:21 <kyrofa> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting, 20180108 20:21 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 8 20:21:14 2018 UTC. The chair is kyrofa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:21 <meetingology> 20:21 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 20:21 <kyrofa> #chair kenvandine 20:21 <meetingology> Current chairs: kenvandine kyrofa 20:21 <kyrofa> #chair gsilvapt 20:21 <meetingology> Current chairs: gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa 20:23 <kyrofa> In December's meeting, we had several re-verification applications to review. We requested more information from a few of them, and provided a two-month extension 20:24 <kyrofa> Today we have two of those locos to review: Myanmar and Tunisia 20:24 <kyrofa> Folks want to say hello for the minutes? 20:25 <elacheche> o/ from Tunisia 20:25 <nzoueidi> Hey from Tunisia too :) 20:25 <kenvandine> anyone from Myanmar? 20:26 <kyrofa> Well, why don't we get started with Tunisia, then 20:26 <gsilvapt> Hello everyone! And a happy to new year! 20:27 <kyrofa> #topic Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification 20:27 <elacheche> Hello folks gsilvapt kyrofa kenvandine, Happy New year, Ubuntu Tunisia is here represented by elacheche (LoCo Contact) & nzoueidi, firts of all, I'd like to apologize for missing last month's meeting, I was relaying on the Ubuntu Fridge calendar (http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/) to remind me, it turned out that there was a bug in the date set on the calendar for the last month. 20:28 <kenvandine> elacheche, no worries, glad you made it this month 20:28 <elacheche> :) 20:28 <elacheche> Our ReVerificaton Wiki → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/ReVerificationApplication2017 20:29 <elacheche> I'll be happy to openly answer your questions 20:29 <gsilvapt> elacheche, yes, we actually have to apologize for that. In the meantime, we fixed that to avoid any more confusion and misleading information 20:29 <elacheche> No worries :) 20:31 <nzoueidi> I appologize too to not make it the last time, I was stuck at work. 20:31 <gsilvapt> elacheche, the section Scheduled Activities are things you want to start doing ASAP or you guys have already something running? 20:32 <nzoueidi> gsilvapt: actually, I added that section. We are planning to do them asap, likewise, I started to prepare tasks related to that section 20:33 <elacheche> Those are things we want to start asap 20:33 <gsilvapt> Ok, thank you 20:33 <elacheche> We need to work on re-stuffing too, as all old active members are no longer here due of life related things (work/family) 20:33 <kenvandine> sorry, trying to familiarize myself with what we said last month :) 20:34 <kyrofa> kenvandine, haha, me too 20:34 <kenvandine> elacheche, when is your next loco meeting? 20:34 <kenvandine> it says 2011 :) 20:37 <elacheche> kenvandine: We didn't had a loco meeting for a while now, as I said, we were too many active members, and all of the active guys become busy at the same exact period, so for the last couple of years we were at least only 3 to manage the community, and no one answered meetings calls, so the 3 people around managed to keep the community running :) 20:37 <gsilvapt> elacheche, but do you have more people today? 20:37 <elacheche> Our goal for the next few months is to get some fresh blood dudes involved more.. 20:38 <kenvandine> elacheche, do you have ideas for achieving that? 20:38 <kyrofa> (note that verified locos are verified to _be_ active) 20:39 <nzoueidi> Yeah, we are involved in the FOSS events that held in Tunisia, so we have a nice list to contact and getting them involved into the community 20:39 <elacheche> me & nzoueidi are planning ways to make people more engaged with the community.. I think that I managed once to keep nzoueidi engaged and some other folks when they where free :D And we will manage to help young new people to be more active 20:40 <kyrofa> nzoueidi, do you have a timeline for accomplishing this? 20:40 <elacheche> kyrofa: As you can see from the wiki page, we had multiple events during the last 2 years, it's real that the quantity is less than before, but still, we are also enhancing quality of the events 20:41 <nzoueidi> No, I don't but I hope it is asap. I have friends that wanna involve. Keeping them as elacheche said is the hardest thing. But we are trying our best to boost the community :) 20:42 <kenvandine> i understand it's not easy 20:44 <elacheche> Unfortuantely, people are used to the FB way of things, post something and wait for immidiate answer/result.. A community need engagment, and time to give you results/answers.. So most people don't want to be engaged, we tried to target FB folks once, and get the mto contribute, ZERO result.. 20:44 <kenvandine> :/ 20:44 <nzoueidi> Exactly, that's what I was going to say 20:45 <elacheche> Other people are willing to contribute and make an engagement (moral).. And they don't expect immidiate results 20:45 <elacheche> BTW, I may be talking about Ubuntu Tunisia, but, afaik, that applies to ALL other LoCos, based on my discussions with other folks during the last 2 years 20:46 <kenvandine> elacheche, yeah, it's not an easy task 20:47 <kenvandine> elacheche, interesting numbers from facebook 20:47 <gsilvapt> Yes, getting new contributors is never an easy task in open source projects. 20:47 <kenvandine> 11410 members of the facebook group 20:48 <elacheche> kenvandine: Yep, most of them are "Read only" users unfortunately 20:49 <elacheche> Most of them are very shy to ask quesztions in the group and they prefer to come to you in private and ask rather than posting in the ML or FB :( 20:49 <kyrofa> Our main criticism last month was that supporting documentation seemed to be pretty out of date. The last post on the team portal page was about 14.04, the latest "past event" I see on the wiki page is from 2008. We wanted to give you a few months to get that stuff into shape. You put yourself back on the agenda this month, although I don't feel like much has changed, honestly 20:49 <kenvandine> elacheche, i see some good numbers for the events too, on facebook 20:49 <kyrofa> Facebook is one area I cannot check, so I'll listen to kenvandine :) 20:50 <elacheche> kyrofa: I can explain that too x) 20:50 <kenvandine> the meetup in feb 2017 had 49 that attended 20:50 <kenvandine> not bad 20:50 <kyrofa> Pretty darn good, really 20:50 <kenvandine> yeah 20:50 <elacheche> kenvandine: Those the recorded numbers, multiple persons don't record that 20:51 <elacheche> We had events/workshops with more than that number! 20:51 <kenvandine> right, those are the ones that marked it in FB 20:51 <nzoueidi> kenvandine: sometimes you see that you have 100 participants of such an event on FB, but in reality you will find half of them 20:51 <kenvandine> you only had two like that in 2017 though 20:51 <kenvandine> but... i like that activity 20:52 <elacheche> During SFD 2016 we had 5 workshops, each had at least 20 persons 20:52 <gsilvapt> I gotta say I want to approve you guys but the fact you're running this on your own is not comforting although you guys actually do stuff 20:52 <gsilvapt> "on your own" 20:53 <kyrofa> elacheche, you mentioned you could explain the out-of-date information? 20:53 <elacheche> gsilvapt: If we weren't engaged to keep this LoCo running even when we will long gone we will not be here today, after being doing this for our own for years.. 20:53 <elacheche> We believe that the next critical step is to "hire" new recruits, people with time and love to the community 20:53 <elacheche> and teach & mentor them on how to contribute 20:55 <elacheche> kyrofa: Yeah sure.. The whole 1st LoCo leaders were "very" demanding that they created too much wiki pages, the next team plan was to understand those pages then refactor them, but then, when it's time to refactor, everyone had an other new life to focus on.. So refactoring still a task to do so new folks can have easier wiki to understand and use 20:56 <elacheche> About the events, I still track each event in a wiki page, but I always find myself not able to update the main events page because of time 20:57 <elacheche> For the records, actually we have at least 290 Wiki pages 20:57 <kenvandine> wow 20:57 <kenvandine> that's a huge task 20:58 <nzoueidi> yep :') 20:58 <kenvandine> ok 20:58 <kenvandine> shall we vote? 20:58 <elacheche> And that's MY task, I engaged myself to do it when I have other people to take care of other important things! 20:58 <gsilvapt> elacheche, one of your priorities should be to actually delete/organise that :D 20:58 <kenvandine> nothing wrong with deleting wiki pages :) 20:59 <elacheche> gsilvapt: I know, but I need to recruit people first, so they can take care of other things like preparing the events etc.. 20:59 <kyrofa> I think we have enough information to vote 20:59 <elacheche> kenvandine: We like to keep the loco legacy, so new commers know how much other commited to the loco! 20:59 <kenvandine> elacheche, understood 21:00 <elacheche> Ubuntu Tunisia is not just a community, it's a community that have history, and will have a future, that's I'm sure of :) 21:00 <kyrofa> #vote Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification 21:00 <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification 21:00 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 21:01 <kenvandine> vote +1 21:01 <kenvandine> whoops 21:01 <kenvandine> +1 21:01 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine 21:01 <kyrofa> Heh 21:01 <kyrofa> +1 21:01 <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa 21:02 <gsilvapt> +1 21:02 <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt 21:02 <gsilvapt> apologies for the delay 21:02 <kyrofa> #endvote 21:02 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification 21:02 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:02 <meetingology> Motion carried 21:03 <nzoueidi> Thanks you guys :) 21:03 <kenvandine> great 21:04 <kyrofa> Congratulations elacheche nzoueidi! This wasn't the easiest call, but I know how difficult it is to carry a community. Try to execute your plan, get your membership up, share the load 21:04 <kenvandine> anyone join from Myanmar Loco? 21:04 <elacheche> :D THANK YOU FOLKS! You have no idea how much happiness I feel right now.. This is a new checkpoint in our LoCo history 21:04 <wxl> good job elacheche, nzoueidi, et al :) 21:04 <kyrofa> elacheche, please try to clean up the wiki 21:04 <kenvandine> elacheche, time to get to work! :-D 21:04 <kenvandine> elacheche, and congrats! 21:04 <nzoueidi> We will kenvandine :D 21:04 <nzoueidi> Thanks again for all. 21:04 <kenvandine> elacheche, nzoueidi and of course thanks so much for showing up today to discuss this 21:04 <elacheche> Thanks wxl :) sure folks! :) 21:05 <nzoueidi> o/ nighty 21:05 <kyrofa> Alright, on to Myanmar 21:05 <elacheche> Thanks again, good night folks :) 21:05 <kyrofa> #topic MyanmarTeam Re-verification 21:06 <kyrofa> Night elacheche :) 21:06 <gsilvapt> thanks, elacheche and good luck 21:06 <kyrofa> Alright, it seems no one is here from Myanmar, even though they put themselves on the agenda a month sooner than they needed to. Let's go off of their application alone 21:07 <kyrofa> I still see no events in 2017 21:08 <kyrofa> I don't really see any changes at all from our previous meeting 21:09 <kenvandine> me either 21:09 <kenvandine> and again nobody joined the meeting 21:09 <kenvandine> they technically have another month 21:09 <kyrofa> But they put themselves on the agenda anyway 21:09 <kenvandine> true 21:10 <kyrofa> If I was voting right now, I'd be -1. However, they have until next month. They could technically put themselves back on then 21:11 <kyrofa> So perhaps we should just pretend it's not on the agenda, and if they don't follow though, they expire by default? 21:11 <gsilvapt> Did they do any changes? 21:11 <kyrofa> Doesn't look like it 21:11 <kenvandine> no edits to the wiki page at all 21:11 <gsilvapt> Hum, right 21:11 <kenvandine> i think we just skip it 21:11 <kyrofa> Yup 21:11 <gsilvapt> Should we vote or skip it? 21:11 <kenvandine> no point in voting yet 21:12 <kenvandine> status hasn't changed since last month 21:12 <gsilvapt> Hum, right 21:13 <kyrofa> #agreed We'll skip Myanmar's re-verification since the application hasn't been updated and they have another month 21:13 <kenvandine> +1 :) 21:13 <kyrofa> What. Come on meetingology 21:13 <kenvandine> that is a command! 21:14 <kyrofa> It worked? 21:14 <kenvandine> no 21:14 <kenvandine> i think it would have told us 21:14 <kenvandine> but it should work 21:14 <kyrofa> Yeah, it usually spams me 21:14 <kenvandine> i think the log should be a valid record :) 21:14 <kyrofa> #agree We'll skip Myanmar's re-verification since the application hasn't been updated and they have another month 21:14 <kyrofa> Darn 21:14 <kyrofa> Okay, clear enough 21:15 <kyrofa> That's all the items on our agenda for today, unless anyone has something else? 21:17 <kyrofa> I'll assume no 21:17 <kenvandine> +1 21:17 <kyrofa> #endmeeting