#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by bdmurray at 18:02:07 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-08-18.02.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Previous Actions ''LINK:'' http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/834211/ (bdmurray, 18:03:29) ''ACTION:'' bdmurray to improve list of dbus error no reply bugs (bdmurray, 18:10:46) *Engineering Team Bug Status ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity (bdmurray, 18:15:36) *Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention) *other topics ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760744 (Ursinha, 18:25:17) Meeting ended at 18:33:45 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * bdmurray to improve list of dbus error no reply bugs == Action items, by person == * bdmurray ** bdmurray to improve list of dbus error no reply bugs == People present (lines said) == * bdmurray (46) * Ursinha (30) * jsalisbury (10) * yofel (8) * hggdh (8) * ubottu (4) * meetingology (4) * bil21al (2) == Full Log == 18:02:07 #startmeeting 18:02:07 Meeting started Wed Feb 8 18:02:07 2012 UTC. The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:02:07 18:02:07 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:02:29 #topic Previous Actions 18:03:01 earlier we had talked about compiling a list of DBus.Error.NoReply bug reports and looking at their status, importance and gravity 18:03:13 before deciding how to tackle them 18:03:15 I 'm working on it right now 18:03:17 I've created such a list 18:03:27 cool! 18:03:29 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/834211/ 18:04:19 the search_text parameter for the API wasn't a huge help so I just looked at all the apport crashes 18:04:36 regardless the package? 18:04:47 Ursinha: right ;-) 18:05:55 I thought there would be more of them 18:06:11 well apport did a lot of duplicating on a per package basis 18:06:16 bdmurray, the way you said when we discussed that, I thought there were hundreds 18:06:17 hmm 18:06:29 o/ 18:07:01 bdmurray, how long it takes for that script to run? 18:07:06 bug 437883 18:07:07 Launchpad bug 437883 in blueman (Ubuntu Precise) "blueman-applet crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437883 18:07:19 can we add titles and such to be easier to have an idea? 18:08:07 actually that one isn't a perfect example but gives you an idea of how apport would mark duplicates about one package 18:08:12 yofel: yes? 18:08:18 Ursinha: sure 18:08:27 just idling around as I haven't been there for a while 18:09:07 bug 707990 is a better example 18:09:09 Launchpad bug 707990 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with DBusException in _convert_dbus_exception(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707990 18:09:28 Ursinha: so what would you like to see really? 18:09:52 bdmurray, I don't know, maybe the title/package along with the bug# 18:10:15 okay 18:10:46 #action bdmurray to improve list of dbus error no reply bugs 18:10:46 * meetingology bdmurray to improve list of dbus error no reply bugs 18:11:05 #topic Engineering Team Bug Status 18:11:13 Ursinha: do you have anything for us? 18:11:45 nothing specific; I've been working on a bug list sorted by "gravity", will have something to show next meeting 18:12:20 great 18:12:29 jsalisbury: anything on your side? 18:12:55 bdmurray, nothing specific as well. I've bee focused on bisecting and building test kernels for precise bugs. 18:13:01 s/bee/been/ 18:13:16 jsalisbury, there is a bug I've been hitting lately, not sure it's something important 18:13:26 (not sure this is the place to discuss as well :)) 18:13:43 I have a nfs mount that causes ls to hang 18:13:56 I found a kernel bug today that mentions the problem in natty, and in older kernels 18:14:12 Ursinha, hmm, interesting. maybe open a bug and I can take a deeper look. 18:14:14 how about we talk about it towards the end? 18:14:20 sure 18:14:51 I've been lookingat lots of ubiquity bugs the past week 18:15:29 and have come up with a tagging scheme to identify parts of the installer where people saw the bug 18:15:36 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity 18:15:46 in the notes at the end (rather rough yet) 18:16:29 cool 18:16:56 and as a public service announcement you might encounter a bug when installing from alpha 2 with flashplugin-installer, if you choose the restricted software option 18:17:05 that's being investigated 18:17:45 Lots of bug patterns being merged from Vadim Rutkovsky too 18:18:13 that bug that crashes the installation? 18:18:14 Those have actually brought up some old bugs too which has been helpful 18:18:26 Ursinha: yes 18:18:50 bdmurray, that's an old bug, isn't it? problem with network manager not being able to resolve the names and flash failing to download... 18:19:18 Ursinha: yes, its come back and may have something to do with the new name resolution bits 18:19:27 right 18:20:31 the installer crashing in this case is bug 876298 18:20:33 Launchpad bug 876298 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298 18:20:55 anyway thats it from me 18:21:43 #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention) 18:21:59 yofel: do you have anything? 18:22:13 nope 18:22:54 anybody? 18:22:56 bdmurray: for your information from my side all the high and critical bugs of empathy are in progress 18:23:09 bil21al: that's great 18:23:19 hm 18:24:28 next topic then 18:24:35 #topci other topics 18:24:41 #topic other topics 18:24:48 is there anything else to discuss? 18:25:01 can I show that bug to jsalisbury? :) 18:25:06 sure! 18:25:17 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760744 18:25:18 Ubuntu bug 760744 in linux (Ubuntu) "NFS mount hangs ls and nautilus" [Undecided,Confirmed] 18:25:36 Ursinha, looking 18:25:55 is a symlink in that folder? I've had apps hang on an ioctl() when the nfs mount was hung while looking up the link 18:26:08 jsalisbury, so, I'm not sure what to change in that bug to add that I'm having a problem with 3.0.0 in oneiric 18:26:19 yofel, mine isn't 18:27:25 Ursinha, you could open a separate bug, we can investigate and mark as a duplicate if it is in fact a duplicate. 18:27:35 sure, thanks jsalisbury 18:27:49 Ursinha, np. sometimes this could be an NFS client issue as well. 18:28:02 I dimly remember an issue with ' ls --color' and non-accessible mounts 18:28:08 Ursinha, I recall at one point we changed from NFS3 by default to NFS4. 18:28:14 hggdh: that's what I was talking about 18:28:27 the user should try with 'ls --color=no' 18:28:30 hggdh, hm 18:28:52 this is a known issue, but I am not sure it can be solved nicely 18:29:02 there are at least one coreutils bug on it 18:29:07 by nicely you mean... 18:29:17 programmatically 18:29:23 right 18:29:44 yofel: indeed :-), sorry 18:29:47 I'll file the bug and investigate a bit more, will try the no color trick 18:29:51 heh, np 18:30:01 you were more accurate 18:30:11 Ursinha, can you add the kernel-da-key tag? That will put it on my hot list. 18:30:18 sure jsalisbury 18:30:24 Ursinha, thanks 18:30:55 any other business? 18:31:02 no, thanks :) 18:32:09 not from me 18:32:43 jsalisbury: I dimlly recollect this being discussed upstream at coreutils -- my recollection is that this would have to be fixed by the kernel, and the kernel folks did not quite agree 18:33:31 hggdh, thanks for the info. Was it discussed on LKML? Or just the coreutils mailing list? 18:33:35 Ursinha: there are already some bugs on this 18:33:43 okay thanks everyone 18:33:45 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)