#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by Laney at 14:12:42 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-19-14.12.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Review of previous action items *micahg to ping all packageset teams to get a description we can use for future changes (Laney, 14:13:19) *Package set application: desktop-extra ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2011-December/000315.html (Laney, 14:18:06) ''ACTION:'' stgraber to create desktop-extra set (Laney, 14:27:09) *Ubuntu Core Developer reapplication for Daniel T Chen *AOB *chair for next meeting ''ACTION:'' bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing (Laney, 14:47:58) Meeting ended at 14:48:51 UTC. == Votes == * Create desktop-extra packageset with description "Every package that is NOT in ubuntu-desktop, desktop-core or core, but needed for a vanilla GNOME. Vanilla GNOME is defined by upstream in gnome-suites-core, gnome-suites-core-deps, and gnome-apps: http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets" and initial packages "abiword accerciser alacarte anjuta caribou cheese clutter ekiga epiphany-browser fonts-cantarell f-spot ... For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * stgraber to create desktop-extra set * bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing == Action items, by person == * bdrung ** bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing * stgraber ** stgraber to create desktop-extra set == People present (lines said) == * Laney (70) * tumbleweed (22) * micahg (21) * bdrung (19) * meetingology (15) * stgraber (10) == Full Log == 14:12:42 #startmeeting 14:12:42 Meeting started Mon Dec 19 14:12:42 2011 UTC. The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 14:12:42 14:12:42 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 14:13:07 #topic Review of previous action items 14:13:16 [ignoring cody's one] 14:13:19 #subtopic micahg to ping all packageset teams to get a description we can use for future changes 14:13:35 so, I did start this this time :) 14:13:45 * Laney got a mail indeed :-) 14:14:09 I got the answer back from the bzr packageset, how should we do this? should we take a quick vote on the criteria for the packageset? 14:14:31 or should I propose the criteria to the ML and vote at the next meeting? 14:14:42 I guess post to ML and have a confirmation vote next time 14:14:49 ok, sounds good 14:15:02 sweet 14:15:22 did you send them all out or are some left to do? 14:15:54 I think the only one that's left was the kernel one (I also didn't send for the mozilla packageset, but having a conversation with oneself is kinda boring :)) 14:15:59 heh 14:16:13 ok, good work 14:16:36 #topic Package set application: desktop-extra 14:17:05 jbicha isn't here, but I think we can go on anyway 14:17:08 did you see my mail? 14:17:21 yup, just read it 14:17:22 let me bounce it to devel-permissions to make it public 14:17:26 yes 14:18:06 #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2011-December/000315.html 14:18:21 WDYT to that list and description then? 14:19:02 description works for me 14:19:55 yeah, I think that's fine 14:20:02 list too 14:20:49 bdrung: stgraber: ? 14:20:54 looks good 14:21:20 looks good 14:23:43 ok, one second 14:25:40 #vote Create desktop-extra packageset with description "Every package that is NOT in ubuntu-desktop, desktop-core or core, but needed for a vanilla GNOME. Vanilla GNOME is defined by upstream in gnome-suites-core, gnome-suites-core-deps, and gnome-apps: http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets" and initial packages "abiword accerciser alacarte anjuta caribou cheese clutter ekiga epiphany-browser fonts-cantarell f-spot ... 14:25:40 Please vote on: Create desktop-extra packageset with description "Every package that is NOT in ubuntu-desktop, desktop-core or core, but needed for a vanilla GNOME. Vanilla GNOME is defined by upstream in gnome-suites-core, gnome-suites-core-deps, and gnome-apps: http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets" and initial packages "abiword accerciser alacarte anjuta caribou cheese clutter ekiga epiphany-browser fonts-cantarell f-spot ... 14:25:40 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 14:25:46 ... gdm ghex gjs gnome-backgrounds gnome-color-manager gnome-contacts gnome-devel-docs gnome-documents gnome-icon-theme-extras gnome-packagekit gnome-scan gnome-shell gnome-sushi gnome-tweak-tool gnome-video-effects gnote gnumeric goffice gthumb gtksourceviewmm gupnp-av gupnp-dlna gupnp-vala java-gnome libchamplain monkey-bubble mutter mx nemiver opal packagekit ptlib rygel seed sound-juicer tomboy tracker" and initial member ... 14:25:52 ... ~ubuntu-desktop 14:25:54 :-) 14:25:57 +1 14:25:57 +1 received from Laney 14:26:07 +1 14:26:07 +1 received from micahg 14:26:08 +1 14:26:08 +1 received from tumbleweed 14:26:11 +1 14:26:11 +1 received from stgraber 14:26:25 +1 14:26:25 +1 received from bdrung 14:26:31 #endvote 14:26:31 Voting ended on: Create desktop-extra packageset with description "Every package that is NOT in ubuntu-desktop, desktop-core or core, but needed for a vanilla GNOME. Vanilla GNOME is defined by upstream in gnome-suites-core, gnome-suites-core-deps, and gnome-apps: http://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets" and initial packages "abiword accerciser alacarte anjuta caribou cheese clutter ekiga epiphany-browser fonts-cantarell f-spot ... 14:26:31 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 14:26:31 Motion carried 14:26:44 sweeeeeeet 14:26:49 stgraber: can you take the action to create that? 14:27:00 yeah, already started doing it 14:27:04 cool 14:27:09 #action stgraber to create desktop-extra set 14:27:09 * meetingology stgraber to create desktop-extra set 14:27:11 that was a very long question. ;) 14:27:11 I just want to point out, this comes with the expectation that stuff will flow between ubuntu-desktop and desktop-extra as needed 14:27:16 yes 14:27:40 micahg: that's implied 14:27:40 #topic Ubuntu Core Developer reapplication for Daniel T Chen 14:27:56 not sure that we need to vote given that he only expired a few days ago 14:27:57 do we really need to vote about such cases? 14:27:59 do I have stuff to move at this point or just create the new package set with the package list we just approved? 14:28:11 I don't think we vote for these usually, just re-activate 14:28:12 bdrung: well, I don't want people who apply for desktop-extra to be shocked one day when they can't upload something :) 14:28:26 I am curious about why we didn't get an email though 14:28:31 stgraber: I've seen quick votes when things expire 14:28:33 because I would probably have pingedh im 14:28:40 Laney: we don't own core-dev 14:28:49 tumbleweed: yes we do :) 14:28:52 err I mean we aren't an ad min of it, we own it 14:29:05 owner should get such emails too, then? 14:29:09 * micahg thought owner got mails as well 14:29:15 micahg: yeah, and I've seen a lot of cases where they just send a "oops I forgot to click on the link" and get re-activated without any vote :) 14:29:23 we should just re-activate people if they ask timely 14:29:26 * tumbleweed hasn't seen any core-dev expiration e-mail 14:29:30 indeed 14:29:30 stgraber: true :) 14:29:40 ok, investigate with LP why we don't get them 14:29:49 I don't think we need to vote on this, anyone disagree? 14:30:02 no 14:30:37 done 14:30:39 #topic AOB 14:30:49 we need to kick off restaffing soon 14:30:56 and i don't think that we even need to wait for a meeting 14:31:12 ah, indeed 14:31:14 Laney and geser expire in mid-feb 14:31:37 6 weeks earlier is 2 jan (which I assume we won't meet on?) 14:31:51 well, that's another AOB topic :) 14:32:28 ah, there's the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing 14:33:44 dear wiki, please load. 14:34:25 bah. oh well. 14:34:35 call for nominations 4 weeks out, call for votes 2 weeks out? 14:34:47 Prepare announce and requirements. (1 day) 14:34:47 Optional: Call for nominations. (2 weeks) 14:34:47 Optional: Shortlisting by CC. (1 week) 14:34:47 Optional: Vote process. (2 weeks) 14:34:47 Announcement, necessary implementation. (1 day) 14:35:28 ok, got some time then 14:35:44 Shortlisting by CC? isn't supposed to be by the TB in the case of the DMB? (not really sure, these things are usually a bit blurry ;)) 14:35:57 we didn't bother with that last time 14:36:10 indeed, easier to just not do it ;) 14:36:16 the tb said they didn't mind us running it all 14:36:59 there is some contention there: the CC extending its icy grasp over this way 14:37:04 in that case, we can get away with starting it on jan 16th, but only just 14:37:17 I think that technically our UCD delegation comes from them, for example 14:38:11 anyway yeah, confirmation can be on feb 13th - works out quite nicely 14:38:40 btw, http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/precise/desktop-extra 14:38:54 nice 14:39:29 ok, anything else? 14:39:35 skipping jan 2nd? 14:39:49 works for me, I may not be available then, anyway 14:39:54 depends if there are application in between 14:40:04 I'll be around on the 2nd (working) but I'm fine with us skipping it 14:40:25 i am fine with it if we don't accumulate too many applications 14:40:34 I should be around 14:40:47 i should be around 14:40:58 well, we should have the packageset descriptions to vote on, but that could wait I guess 14:41:18 so see who turns up? 14:41:20 yes 14:41:30 yes 14:41:33 ok 14:41:38 i'll probably be around 14:42:03 anything else? 14:42:32 next chair? still cody :P 14:42:35 #topic chair for next meeting 14:42:36 regarding the restaffing 14:42:43 cody (micah) 14:42:56 bdrung: yes? 14:43:39 i will expire in nearly one year, but i would be only one person. i think it impractical to setup a vote only for me. 14:44:04 it would make more sense to group the votes 14:44:32 bdrung: we could just extend your membership to 02/2013 14:44:44 that would work for me 14:44:50 since your membership would expire in nov 14:44:54 mmm, potentially losing 6/8 of the team at once 14:45:11 oh no, not you and stefano 14:45:17 yeah that wfm 14:45:20 ask the tb? 14:45:26 a optimal solution would be to have four members selected every year 14:45:46 well, other boards usually restaff almost all at the same time 14:46:05 maybe we can add the new people until 2013-09/10 and make micahg and tumbleweed have the same expiration date 14:46:43 * micahg would prefer it being referred to as membership expiration :P 14:46:52 heh 14:47:01 * Laney puts the uzi away 14:47:18 :) 14:47:58 #action bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing 14:47:58 * meetingology bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing 14:48:02 :-) 14:48:06 Laney: that'd be neat, yes 14:48:26 great 14:48:27 thanks all 14:48:48 * Laney gives you all an orange 14:48:51 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)