#title #ubuntu-meeting: Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting started by astraljava at 17:14:47 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-11-17.14.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Old Business *Scott email list regarding work flows: INPROCESS (astraljava, 17:16:45) this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in (scott-upstairs, 17:18:15) i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters (scott-upstairs, 17:18:23) so leaving as 'inprocess' is good (scott-upstairs, 17:18:29) *Jon email list for separate meeting for work flows discussion: INPROCESS (astraljava, 17:18:50) jon is busy with schoolwork (scott-upstairs, 17:19:28) but there will be some further cleanup required in the wiki once more information has come in (scott-upstairs, 17:19:43) *stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website: TODO (astraljava, 17:19:55) this should be marked as 'DONE' as he did email the list (scott-upstairs, 17:20:10) his final direction is to suggest that we include closed source/proprietary social media to reach a broader audience (scott-upstairs, 17:20:35) i second his suggestion (scott-upstairs, 17:20:44) ''ACTION:'' astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. (astraljava, 17:20:45) *Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later: TODO (astraljava, 17:21:12) ''ACTION:'' astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE (astraljava, 17:21:46) *Blueprints situation ''ACTION:'' scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home (astraljava, 17:35:43) *Bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/840144 (astraljava, 17:46:41) ''ACTION:'' scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint (scott-upstairs, 17:48:15) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/815101 (astraljava, 17:48:34) ''ACTION:'' astraljava to update bug #815101 status (astraljava, 17:49:32) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892 (astraljava, 17:49:54) *Any Other Business *Next Meeting Time/Location ''ACTION:'' Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. (astraljava, 17:54:49) Next informal meeting on #ubuntustudio-devel on 18th of Dec. at 1700 UTC. (astraljava, 17:55:47) *Next Meeting Chair ''ACTION:'' scott-upstairs to chair next meeting (astraljava, 17:57:41) Meeting ended at 17:57:59 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. * astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE * scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home * scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint * astraljava to update bug #815101 status * Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. * scott-upstairs to chair next meeting == Action items, by person == * astraljava ** astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. ** astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE ** astraljava to update bug #815101 status * scott-upstairs ** scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home ** scott-upstairs to chair next meeting * shnatsel ** scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home * **UNASSIGNED** ** scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint ** Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. == People present (lines said) == * scott-upstairs (126) * astraljava (83) * shnatsel (20) * meetingology (10) * ubottu (4) == Full Log == 17:14:47 #startmeeting Ubuntu Studio contributors 17:14:47 Meeting started Sun Dec 11 17:14:47 2011 UTC. The chair is astraljava. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 17:14:47 17:14:47 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:14:55 Hi all. 17:15:09 Agenda for today can be found @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011December11 17:15:28 Let's get right down to it. 17:15:36 #topic Old Business 17:16:00 I'm going through the subtopics, being the previous action items. 17:16:37 Oh, and please when you give your status, add #info in front of it. 17:16:45 #subtopic Scott email list regarding work flows: INPROCESS 17:16:59 this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in 17:17:20 i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters 17:17:28 so leaving as 'inprocess' is good 17:17:29 .. 17:17:39 dman, forgot the #info 17:17:56 Just hit up arrow and home, then #info. 17:18:15 #INFO this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in 17:18:23 #INFO i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters 17:18:29 #INFO so leaving as 'inprocess' is good 17:18:31 .. 17:18:34 hmm, never got that message I think... or missed it :( 17:18:50 #subtopic Jon email list for separate meeting for work flows discussion: INPROCESS 17:18:55 Jon isn't here, is he? 17:19:07 Anyone know of the status of this? 17:19:13 jon emailed me direfctly to say he is busy with final in school 17:19:17 argh 17:19:25 Ok, that's good enough. 17:19:28 #info jon is busy with schoolwork 17:19:43 #info but there will be some further cleanup required in the wiki once more information has come in 17:19:45 .. 17:19:55 #subtopic stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website: TODO 17:20:10 #info this should be marked as 'DONE' as he did email the list 17:20:35 #info his final direction is to suggest that we include closed source/proprietary social media to reach a broader audience 17:20:44 #info i second his suggestion 17:20:45 #action astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. 17:20:45 * meetingology astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. 17:20:45 .. 17:20:54 Thanks, Scott. 17:20:59 aye ;) 17:21:12 #subtopic Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later: TODO 17:21:20 This should be marked as done, right? 17:21:38 i think so, but we haven't really lived up to it, have we? 17:21:46 #action astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE 17:21:46 * meetingology astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE 17:21:54 No, we missed a few here in between. 17:21:59 * scott-upstairs purposefully didn't put #.info in there 17:22:02 But we did have that one informal there. 17:22:24 Let's try to get back on track, though I acknowledge the holidays are looming. 17:22:27 astraljava, is this one 'formal' or 'informal', i don't remember the order at the moment? 17:22:40 This one is formal, as we're on this channel. 17:22:46 We're having the informals on our own. 17:22:48 oh, yeah :P 17:22:59 Okay, any other Old Business? 17:23:10 "holidays are looming", yes, even the -release team has canceled the two upcoming meetings as well 17:23:22 astraljava, just a minute, let me think 17:23:41 no, not that i can think of that isn't going to be in the blueprint discussion 17:23:45 .. 17:23:57 #topic Blueprints situation 17:24:22 As in agenda, the master blueprint can be found @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio 17:24:34 scott-upstairs: You wanna lead this one? 17:24:39 absolutely 17:24:59 #topic new doc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-doc-improvements 17:25:06 we have completed this one as it stands 17:25:25 there will be further documentation done this cycle and certainly more later (especially the help.ubuntu.com pages) 17:25:41 #topic lowlatency blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency 17:25:45 this one is a little more interesting 17:26:06 we have been working with steve (from the kernel team) on some preliminary testing for the lowlatency kernel vs generic 17:26:30 objectively the results seem to support that the lowlatency kernel should perform perhaps an order of magnitude better than generic 17:26:38 but this hasn't been quantified at this point 17:26:55 i contacted steve about progressing getting the lowlatency kernel into the repos 17:27:24 he responded that we didn't need to wait on him, he will continue to test however, but we can package and push to REVU 17:27:36 after i get through the latest seeds updateing for theming i will work on this 17:27:37 .. 17:28:04 scott-upstairs: btw were my seed docs of any use? 17:28:15 any help on seeds needed? 17:28:27 oh, sorry to interrupt... 17:28:36 shnatsel, i need to reread your doc again and i might need some help later 17:28:41 and no problem :) 17:28:49 #topic misc updates : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-misc-improvements 17:29:32 we will be completing the multi-head testing and documentation (really it is basically done, just need some review in the wiki) 17:29:47 we will be completing the xfce applications review as well when the seeds are updated 17:29:56 but this will leave the default jack settings todo 17:30:20 unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory 17:30:36 o/ 17:30:37 but i will have time to work through this after some other things are completed 17:30:42 astraljava, ? 17:30:55 Maybe some postinst rules would help in that? 17:31:11 In any way, people over at -motu should be able to guide as there. 17:31:13 .. 17:31:14 astraljava, i thought i have been told that it was bad form to touch the user's directory 17:31:28 i agree some help from -motu might be helpful 17:31:49 #topic update website: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-website 17:31:57 this is ongoing 17:32:11 i've spent a fair amount of time getting content in there and trying to adjust the formatting to look nice 17:32:26 although i haven't done anything this week, but plan to get back on it tonight 17:32:43 i really hope that within one to two weeks i can put this behind me and we can make adjustments later 17:33:16 one last outstanding issue is the social media inclusion, which i noted that stochastic made suggestions to include facebook, twitter, etc type social media 17:33:26 i will confer with knome to see what is available 17:34:06 we are still waiting for the RT ticket to pick up the website and put it into a staging site 17:34:06 "unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory" 17:34:09 I know 17:34:12 I know the way 17:34:13 oh yes? 17:34:21 isn't it /etc/skel ? 17:34:33 Yes, but for existing users? 17:34:39 I did that too 17:34:43 if you need that 17:34:48 and even debugged that 17:35:01 and tested in a huge number of cases 17:35:12 including no users (cd remaster), etc 17:35:19 we can follow up with you, shnatsel, then for some advice later on 17:35:43 #action scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home 17:35:43 * meetingology scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home 17:35:52 although we will need to figure out which package this will need to go into at some point 17:36:18 can i move on to the next topic? 17:36:32 You can, or I can. Either way. 17:36:39 #topic new theme/ui/etc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-theme-ui 17:36:39 Are you done with the blueprints? 17:36:46 Ahh... sorry. 17:36:50 this is what i'm currently working on today 17:37:06 basically i will be moving to xubuntu's structure for -default-settings and -artwork 17:37:35 this means we will remove some packages from the seeds (e.g. ubuntustudio-icon-theme and ubuntustudio-look) as these will be rolled into the -default-settings package 17:37:53 i had considered parsing the xubuntu settings out into our current packages but decided against it 17:38:17 aligning wiht the xubuntu structure will allow a smaller delta and hopefully keep maintenance and updating easier 17:38:35 i've also email a few lists and individuals about new artwork per shnatsel's suggestion 17:38:50 this would include new images for plymouth, lightdm, and wallpaper 17:39:07 hopefully with a more unified and consistent "theme" 17:39:24 i intend to push changes tonight and then ask for support to push to the repos 17:39:42 but i do fully expect numerous updates to tweak things during the next weeks or months 17:40:04 my goal is to have this done and resolved before alpha2 17:40:14 #topic live dvd blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd 17:40:23 no movement really on this at this point 17:40:36 part of this is really waiting for input from others on work flows 17:41:15 although we may make some decision about general blocking of work flows 17:41:28 for example, a video-home and video-pro work flow 17:41:48 this would allow us to complete the metas for testing but not have the final packages in the meta 17:42:14 i would like to target this after the theme/ui and website stuff is done and in time for alpha3 17:42:18 .. 17:42:21 astraljava, i'm done 17:42:26 Okay, thanks. 17:42:35 #topic Bugs 17:42:37 i should point out something 17:42:44 sorry to interrupt after i said i was done 17:42:49 No worries. 17:43:13 i'm carrying a lot of stuff right now and i worry that if i get busy with work again or family that this will greatly retard my schedule 17:43:35 if anyone wants to pick up a specific topic and help that would awesomely and other superlatives great 17:43:38 .. 17:44:05 I am willing to work on the docs, but have a little bit of trouble committing to any particular task at the moment due to personal issues. 17:44:10 But, such is life. 17:44:10 I might take up something, but I'll be busy during the coming month for sure 17:44:10 .. 17:44:25 university exams 17:44:32 I just can't fail them 17:44:40 Okay, bugs. I went through an awful lot of them. There's a list of them on the agenda. 17:44:49 I'm not going to list them here. 17:44:59 Maybe only the ones regarding Precise? 17:45:37 Otherwise, I'd suggest everyone to go through them periodically, to shorten the list, and to gain some new respect for the project. 17:45:41 astraljava, great job on cleaning up the bugs btw 17:45:46 We've not been doing so great on them lately. 17:46:08 scott-upstairs: What do you say, Precise bugs? Should we go through them now? 17:46:13 some i think will be "fixed" by some updates in the menu that have already happened and by some things that will still happen after the theme/ui update 17:46:22 astraljava, sure, there isn't many are there? 17:46:28 No, there are not many. 17:46:38 let's do it just to keep it in peoples minds 17:46:41 #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/840144 17:46:43 Ubuntu bug 840144 in Ubuntu Studio "Use recommends instead of depends in seeds" [Medium,Confirmed] 17:46:54 that will be fixed during the livedvd blueprint 17:47:16 we will need to do this for the live dvd and was added by shnatsel just for this 17:47:17 .. 17:47:30 Good. Is it linked in the blueprint? Blueprint seems to be in the bug. 17:47:33 .. 17:47:45 how do you do the task? 17:47:55 I dunno. Want me to look into it? 17:48:03 #task scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint 17:48:15 I think you need #action for that. 17:48:15 #action scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint 17:48:15 * meetingology scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint 17:48:20 There you go. 17:48:20 hehe 17:48:34 #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/815101 17:48:35 Ubuntu bug 815101 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] slowmovideo" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 17:48:50 they're linked 17:49:05 i think this may be on a list that i speak with quadrispro and the debian multimedia team about packaging to get into ubuntu 17:49:06 oh yeah, slowmovideo is great 17:49:19 Ok, so in progress then. 17:49:32 #action astraljava to update bug #815101 status 17:49:32 * meetingology astraljava to update bug #815101 status 17:49:35 if it wasn't in shnatel's list, it is now (as i've written it down on my pad of paper) 17:49:54 #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892 17:49:55 Ubuntu bug 695892 in Ubuntu Studio "no live CD for ubuntustudio" [Wishlist,New] 17:50:14 Well, this one is a no-brainer. 17:50:17 hehe, i should add that one as well to the live dvd blueprint 17:50:29 * scott-upstairs is doing it now and notes that bug #840144 is now attached as well 17:50:30 Launchpad bug 840144 in Ubuntu Studio "Use recommends instead of depends in seeds" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840144 17:50:47 Need an action for that? 17:51:05 astraljava, it's done now 17:51:11 No need, then. 17:51:19 Any other discussion relating bugs? 17:51:21 :) 17:51:25 none from me 17:51:26 .. 17:51:31 .. 17:51:55 #topic Any Other Business 17:52:00 None from me. 17:52:12 i have something i'll mention 17:52:18 i'm working on a long term plan for ubuntu studio 17:52:32 i should be publishing something to the -devel mailing list within a month for review and comments 17:52:52 i would GREATLY appreciate comments, even detractions and criticisms as well 17:53:04 Anything worth #info-ing now? 17:53:11 not yet 17:53:16 .. 17:53:25 but the main thrust is that the long plan is to make ubuntu studio really prevalent and not just with linux audio geeks ;) 17:53:32 .. 17:53:36 oh 17:53:44 ah, nevermind 17:54:10 #topic Next Meeting Time/Location 17:54:21 Next formal meeting, I doubt it. 17:54:27 That's Xmas Day. :) 17:54:34 yeah, that's bad 17:54:49 #action Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. 17:54:49 * meetingology Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. 17:54:56 What about informal? 17:55:11 i'll probably be around for a limited time for the informal one 17:55:16 "probably" 17:55:23 Okay. We'll see how it goes. 17:55:33 what about alternating times? 17:55:37 did we every clear that up 17:55:47 #info Next informal meeting on #ubuntustudio-devel on 18th of Dec. at 1700 UTC. 17:55:59 i'm not euro time zone so i don't know what other's needs are 17:56:12 Oh, I never got any feedback to my email on that. 17:56:28 my feeling is that unless anyone suggests something then we keep proceeding as we have been 17:56:33 So we're sticking to what we have now, or decide later if need be. 17:56:35 I'm fine with 17:00 UTC in my UTC+4, but who cares? 17:56:43 but we can keep asking people about it though 17:56:49 Absolutely. 17:57:03 #topic Next Meeting Chair 17:57:08 Volunteers? 17:57:10 we hold the meetings in elementary on saturdays 18:00 UTC ,seems to be fine 17:57:29 astraljava, i'd be happy to chair next meeting 17:57:41 #action scott-upstairs to chair next meeting 17:57:41 * meetingology scott-upstairs to chair next meeting 17:57:59 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)