#title #ubuntu-meeting: Current Agenda is out of date Meeting started by s-fox at 20:11:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-14-20.11.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Agenda is currently out of date *Forum upgrade *Spam measures *update wiki page ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ (bapoumba, 20:46:42) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ (bapoumba, 20:48:31) *Team reports ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ (s-fox, 20:50:01) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ (s-fox, 20:50:16) ''ACTION:'' s-fox and bapoumba to write forums report (s-fox, 20:52:09) *UF Membership at meetings *post all vote topics on ml and get jdong and iowan input Meeting ended at 21:05:35 UTC. == Votes == * clear old agenda items For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * Ubuntu Membership at council meetings in public For: 3 Against: 0 Abstained: 2 * Alternate meeting days between friday and mondays For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * Set up poll and let community decide what to do with T&E and follow through For: 3 Against: 0 Abstained: 1 * meet once per month For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * set up FC fridge calender For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * Repost voting on ml for others For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * Keep current anti-spam measures For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * Update wiki For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * s-fox and bapoumba to write forums report == Action items, by person == * bapoumba ** s-fox and bapoumba to write forums report * s-fox ** s-fox and bapoumba to write forums report == People present (lines said) == * s-fox (132) * meetingology (87) * bapoumba (83) * Artificial_Intel (39) * Joeb454 (34) * bodhi_zazen (17) == Full Log == 20:11:06 #startmeeting Ubuntu Forums Council Meeting 20:11:06 Meeting started Mon Nov 14 20:11:06 2011 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 20:11:06 20:11:06 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:11:31 #meetingtopic Current Agenda is out of date 20:12:05 #topic Agenda is currently out of date 20:12:21 So, anyone object if we just clear it off and start afresh ? 20:12:34 np from me s-fox 20:12:38 aye for me 20:12:46 makes sense to me too 20:13:09 AFAIK the only current item is the psumi one, and that has been dealt with. It is now in the hands of the CC 20:13:18 Should we clear that also? 20:13:28 +1 20:13:32 +1 20:13:49 +1 20:13:55 +1 20:14:31 #agreed Clear old agenda items 20:14:38 Hmm. 20:15:35 Oh I know what I did wrong, silly me. Sorry guys 20:15:46 #vote clear old agenda items 20:15:46 Please vote on: clear old agenda items 20:15:46 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:15:52 +1 20:15:52 +1 received from s-fox 20:15:57 +1 20:15:57 +1 received from bapoumba 20:16:01 +1 20:16:01 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 20:16:12 Joeb454, vote :) 20:16:15 +1 20:16:15 +1 received from Joeb454 20:16:19 sorry 20:16:38 #endvote 20:16:38 Voting ended on: clear old agenda items 20:16:38 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:16:38 Motion carried 20:16:45 \o/ 20:17:01 congrats s-fox :) 20:17:08 lol, thanks 20:17:26 anyone got any items they want to bring to the table? 20:17:46 scheduled meetings ? 20:17:58 Okay, lets talk about that :) 20:18:37 I think bodhi is right in wanting to alternate friday / monday meetings so every council member can attend at least every other meeting 20:18:41 we should set up a calendar for the FC that feeds the frige calendar 20:19:05 +1 20:19:06 and saves the spot in #ubuntu-meeting 20:19:21 we were lucky no meeting was scheduled tonight 20:19:27 * s-fox nods 20:19:42 any day, except for Wednesday for me. 20:19:53 #vote set up FC fridge calender 20:19:53 Please vote on: set up FC fridge calender 20:19:53 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:19:57 +1 20:19:57 +1 received from Joeb454 20:19:59 +1 20:19:59 +1 received from s-fox 20:20:02 alternate monday / friday works for me for now 20:20:09 +1 20:20:09 +1 received from bapoumba 20:20:12 +1 20:20:12 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 20:20:20 #endvote 20:20:20 Voting ended on: set up FC fridge calender 20:20:20 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:20:20 Motion carried 20:20:23 I mentioned on the FC list why I might not be able to do some Fridays, but I'll do what I can 20:20:28 especially now it's on record 20:20:34 #vote Alternate meeting days between friday and mondays 20:20:34 Please vote on: Alternate meeting days between friday and mondays 20:20:34 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:20:36 +1 20:20:36 +1 received from s-fox 20:20:41 +1 20:20:41 +1 received from bapoumba 20:20:46 +1 20:20:46 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 20:20:46 +1 20:20:46 +1 received from Joeb454 20:20:56 #endvote 20:20:56 Voting ended on: Alternate meeting days between friday and mondays 20:20:56 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:20:56 Motion carried 20:21:03 Getting into the swing of this ;) 20:21:11 cool s-fox 20:21:16 and thanks btw 20:21:36 How often should we meet? Once a month? 20:21:47 sounds good 20:22:10 too often I might get used to IRC again 20:22:13 We have our ML too so anything urgent can go to it 20:22:30 good enough for me 20:22:48 #vote meet once per month 20:22:48 Please vote on: meet once per month 20:22:48 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:22:50 +1 20:22:50 +1 received from s-fox 20:22:52 +1 20:22:52 +1 received from bapoumba 20:22:54 +1 20:22:54 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 20:23:04 +1 20:23:04 +1 received from Joeb454 20:23:12 #endvote 20:23:12 Voting ended on: meet once per month 20:23:12 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:23:12 Motion carried 20:23:23 Um, any other items? 20:23:52 I did think of something this morning, but it eludes me right now, annoyingly 20:23:52 We could discuss T&E? 20:24:14 Okay, post what you want to discuss Artificial_Intel 20:24:20 The floor is yours 20:24:21 I'm not sure we have a consensus Artificial_Intel 20:25:03 We can't be happy with status quo? 20:25:18 Artificial_Intel: you mean leave things as they are? 20:25:51 aye, we have also heard from the users, we'll soon have to take actions. 20:26:04 Remind me, did we make T&E not count as a support post ? 20:26:08 For now, as many different views have been expressed 20:26:25 s-fox, we all agree for not count 20:26:36 or getting a step to the next part of changing T&E 20:27:04 perhaps we should conduct some sort of poll or survey? 20:27:14 Personally I think the T&E threads should close after the first post. It is not a place for discussion. 20:27:33 Joeb454, Might work, willing to give it a go 20:27:40 I'm not sure I agree 20:28:00 users wont understand 20:28:12 I'm with s-fox on this one. Not that also can see the other way around,. 20:28:37 then we have to call it something else, bapoumba. 20:28:59 I'd prefer to keep T&E open to discussion. It's one of those areas where the focus isn't solely support, and /can/ help it feel less like a support forum, and more where people just like to visit 20:29:01 either we allow, in a dedicated place with clear rules, or these discussions will spill over the other categories anyway 20:29:14 I appreciate that there's often flaming in there, but regardless, I think it does help 20:30:24 What if we let the community decide in a poll Joeb454? 20:30:36 hmm 20:30:37 We can always undo the change if it doesn't work out so great 20:30:42 works for me, it's their choice then 20:31:02 Can we set up a poll seen in all our forums? 20:31:16 I think if we put as global notice for a couple weeks? 20:31:51 I can do that after I've eaten if you like? 20:32:25 we should be careful about the wording Joeb454 20:32:26 #vote Set up poll and let community decide what to do with T&E and follow through 20:32:26 Please vote on: Set up poll and let community decide what to do with T&E and follow through 20:32:26 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:32:29 +1 20:32:29 +1 received from s-fox 20:32:32 +1 20:32:32 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 20:32:38 +1 20:32:38 +1 received from Joeb454 20:32:39 0 20:32:39 0 received from bapoumba 20:32:48 #endvote 20:32:48 Voting ended on: Set up poll and let community decide what to do with T&E and follow through 20:32:48 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 20:32:48 Motion carried 20:32:59 Okay, Joeb454 You going to do that? 20:33:06 bapoumba: true, maybe we should draft something on the FC list, or the staff forum first 20:33:15 yeah 20:33:29 ask other Staff 20:33:33 * s-fox nods 20:33:36 s-fox: I'll do it, yes, but see above, probably worth delaying the poll by a day to make sure we're all happy with how it could be read 20:33:46 +1 20:33:46 a poll for staff and a poll for users? 20:33:50 I agree. Draft and post for staff review 20:34:12 Artificial_Intel, -1, all in one big poll 20:34:13 some Staff are very active in the category and give valuable input 20:34:29 ok, I just misunderstood the question :P 20:34:33 one poll to rule them all Artificial_Intel ;) 20:34:49 lol 20:35:00 Any other items? 20:35:30 No? 20:35:33 any news regarding forum upgrades? 20:35:42 I think the spam measures on usergroups are working pretty well 20:35:54 Okay, upgrade first then spam stuff. 20:36:05 okay 20:36:07 #topic Forum upgrade 20:36:24 Artificial_Intel: T-V is working on it still. I'll email him later to see if there's an update 20:36:26 AFAIK TV is sorting it 20:36:58 Guess not much to say other than get an update from TV 20:37:05 Joeb454, regarding statistics (remotely connected) 20:37:13 ok, it just seems we're the forums answer to Duke nuke'em :P 20:37:25 I asked UG for the login to soogle analytics 20:37:37 bapoumba: oh? Does he still have it? 20:37:47 I do not know :( 20:37:59 I asked the day the thread appeared 20:38:21 #topic Spam measures 20:38:39 Do we think it is working 20:38:41 ?? 20:38:43 yes 20:38:46 :þ 20:38:55 no moar profile spam 20:39:01 :) 20:39:24 Okay :) I know some are still moaning at it. 20:39:25 It's working, I actually have time to help out in the support now. 20:39:36 I cannot imagine we were spending a coulpe hours a day each on that 20:39:45 Instead of spam hunting and cleaning. 20:39:58 it is working, and users are finally getting used to it 20:40:04 I know, I now have a social life and not working on stuff behind the scenes 20:40:05 yes 20:40:10 #vote Keep current anti-spam measures 20:40:10 Please vote on: Keep current anti-spam measures 20:40:10 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:40:13 +1 20:40:13 +1 received from s-fox 20:40:16 +1 20:40:16 +1 received from bapoumba 20:40:16 +1 20:40:16 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 20:40:33 Joey ? 20:40:44 he's eating spam :P 20:40:48 You're missing the vote on pink name 20:40:49 ;) 20:41:07 Joeb454 PING 20:41:08 Joeb454, say +1 please 20:41:21 +1 20:41:21 +1 received from Joeb454 20:41:25 Yay 20:41:26 \o/ 20:41:31 #endvote 20:41:31 Voting ended on: Keep current anti-spam measures 20:41:31 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:41:31 Motion carried 20:42:00 Okay, anything else? 20:42:06 nothing from me 20:42:09 Will this be updated? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda 20:42:28 glad you are offering to Artificial_Intel :) 20:42:30 Yes. It needs to be when we get rid of old stuff 20:42:35 +1 bapoumba 20:43:15 #topic update wiki page 20:43:33 #vote Update wiki 20:43:33 Please vote on: Update wiki 20:43:33 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:43:34 +1 20:43:34 +1 received from s-fox 20:43:39 +1 20:43:39 +1 received from bapoumba 20:43:41 +1 20:43:41 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 20:43:56 'and the monthly reports ...) 20:44:05 it doesn't look good with outdated wiki :P 20:44:29 +1 20:44:29 +1 received from Joeb454 20:44:37 #endvote 20:44:37 Voting ended on: Update wiki 20:44:37 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:44:37 Motion carried 20:44:53 the monthly report usually have its own link on the forum as I recall it? 20:45:22 or sub 20:45:26 Artificial_Intel, ? 20:45:28 I cannot recall. 20:45:31 did not know that 20:45:47 We'll have to have a poke around and look. 20:45:49 I was talking about team monthly report 20:46:25 Hmm. 20:46:31 I think it did, I usually clicked it to read what the previous FC was talking about 20:46:42 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ 20:46:53 I don't think we had a sub-forum for it...I don't remember it anyway 20:47:12 sorry to be late =) 20:47:22 Right, we done? 20:47:28 the beers is on bodhi :) 20:47:37 white wine please :) 20:47:49 whine ? 20:47:58 s-fox, did you see the link I gave earlier ? 20:48:26 which one bapoumba, repost? 20:48:31 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ 20:49:11 Oh okay. We need to do that 20:49:25 I think so 20:49:48 #topic Team reports 20:50:01 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ 20:50:05 hmmm 20:50:16 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/ 20:50:31 Oh well, it'll be in the log 20:50:58 I don't think anything to vote on, but we should do it. 20:51:02 Any volunteers? 20:51:06 I can probably help a bit 20:51:15 So can I 20:51:23 Okay, me and you do it bapoumba? 20:51:27 when time permits :/ 20:51:30 yes 20:51:31 Same here 20:52:09 #action s-fox and bapoumba to write forums report 20:52:09 * meetingology s-fox and bapoumba to write forums report 20:52:15 :) 20:52:22 We could rotate the person responsible for team report 20:52:46 I don't mind doing them, I like repetitive things ;) 20:53:03 Once I know exactly how they work 20:53:06 \o/ 20:53:12 eheh 20:53:29 I get easily bored with repetitive stuff 20:53:38 but I'll do it 20:53:43 team work I like 20:54:03 Oh, if anyone objects I would like to chair the next meeting, where I will be more up to speed with this bot 20:54:13 sorry, doesn't object 20:54:15 ;) 20:54:26 ok 20:54:39 fine by me 20:54:42 OK , and did we post an agenda for this meeting ? 20:54:45 thanks for offering s-fox 20:54:51 ok, fine with me. I'm a bigger tool to mess things up. 20:54:55 bodhi_zazen, nope 20:55:04 bodhi_zazen, We sort of winged it, but it was organised :) 20:55:18 OK, I will read the logs 20:55:19 It'll be in the logs 20:55:22 tried to get to the fridge cal thingy but was too late bodhi_zazen 20:55:38 Okay, I am going to end the meeting. Any complaints? 20:55:45 nope 20:55:51 Moving forward - agenda + broader community notification + ? UF Membership at meetings ? 20:56:07 * bodhi_zazen goes to complain 20:56:10 Oh, that is an item we didn't cover 20:56:16 UF Membership at meetings 20:56:17 bodhi_zazen, UF memberships at UF 20:56:26 yea 20:56:29 #topic UF Membership at meetings 20:56:35 I'm indifferent on this one 20:56:35 I would propose we cover membership at meetings 20:56:44 I am +0 20:57:03 hmm 20:57:12 It would mean getting forum users onto irc 20:57:21 Potentially 20:57:31 Almost as bad as signing the CoC in launchpad 20:57:32 Not necessarily, but we could invite them if needed 20:57:37 I like th epublic discussions 20:57:48 The BT would probably help get them up to speed if needed 20:57:50 but some users may not want to come 20:58:03 We do have the public discussion board, but our voting does not go ahead in public. Is this a bad thing? 20:58:04 I would not *require* they come her 20:58:26 ...and there's the time differences to put into account. 20:58:27 s-fox, I do not know 20:58:33 Artificial_Intel, Good point 20:58:42 being public is always good 20:59:08 we have the discussion threads in the membership category 20:59:22 It would also need to tie in with our agreed monthly meetings 20:59:32 if they cannot come due to timezones, its okay 20:59:42 Okay, I am happy with that 20:59:54 They can add themselves to the agenda if they are coming 20:59:59 once a month is good 21:00:10 as long it isn't mandatory. 21:00:12 and we have a time line 21:00:14 +1 21:00:52 #vote Ubuntu Membership at council meetings in public 21:00:52 Please vote on: Ubuntu Membership at council meetings in public 21:00:52 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:00:56 if we (FC) cannot attend, we can send our votes to the ml or the discussion category 21:01:01 +1 21:01:01 +1 received from bodhi_zazen 21:01:03 +1 21:01:03 +1 received from bapoumba 21:01:11 +0 21:01:11 +0 received from Joeb454 21:01:22 +1 21:01:22 +1 received from s-fox 21:01:26 +0 21:01:26 +0 received from Artificial_Intel 21:01:32 #endvote 21:01:32 Voting ended on: Ubuntu Membership at council meetings in public 21:01:32 Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 21:01:32 Motion carried 21:01:40 I wouldn't call that carried 21:01:44 there's still jdong and iowan 21:01:57 We can get them to vote also and recount 21:02:07 Probably on the ml? 21:02:13 +1 21:02:47 I don't have a problem with that. 21:03:07 #topic post all vote topics on ml and get jdong and iowan input 21:03:11 +1 21:03:19 +1 21:03:23 +1 21:03:24 +1 21:03:31 or in the monthly team report =) 21:03:33 #vote Repost voting on ml for others 21:03:33 Please vote on: Repost voting on ml for others 21:03:33 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:03:35 +1 21:03:35 +1 received from s-fox 21:03:37 s-fox is having fun ;) 21:03:41 +1 21:03:41 +1 received from bapoumba 21:03:42 +1 21:03:42 +1 received from Artificial_Intel 21:03:46 +1 21:03:46 +1 received from bodhi_zazen 21:03:52 No, just forgetful bapoumba ;) 21:04:02 Joeb454 ... 21:04:02 +1 21:04:02 +1 received from Joeb454 21:04:08 #endvote 21:04:08 Voting ended on: Repost voting on ml for others 21:04:08 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:04:08 Motion carried 21:04:22 Right, we're running over. Anything else or can I end it? 21:04:55 fine with me 21:04:59 fine with me too 21:04:59 I have nothing more 21:05:03 +1 21:05:09 bodhi_zazen ? 21:05:35 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)