== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-ie: Summer Team Meeting, 01 Aug at 19:32 — 20:50 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ie/2013/ubuntu-ie.2013-08-01-19.32.log.html]] == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/630/detail/ === Summary of successful 2013 reapproval === The discussion about "Summary of successful 2013 reapproval" started at 19:34. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Minutes/20130716 === Team meetings === The discussion about "Team meetings" started at 19:42. * ''LINK:'' http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3319678/size/992 * ''LINK:'' http://code.google.com/p/irctotwit/ * ''LINK:'' http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-ie&randomnick=1 * ''Vote:'' We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? (Carried) === Release Parties === The discussion about "Release Parties" started at 20:03. === Global Jams === The discussion about "Global Jams" started at 20:14. === Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summits === The discussion about "Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summits" started at 20:30. === Ubuntu Hours and/or Other Social Events === The discussion about "Ubuntu Hours and/or Other Social Events" started at 20:32. === Team Administration === The discussion about "Team Administration" started at 20:38. === Any Other Business === The discussion about "Any Other Business" started at 20:42. === czajkowski: is running a mug in dublin (Dublin MongoDB User Group ) === The discussion about "czajkowski: is running a mug in dublin (Dublin MongoDB User Group )" started at 20:46. === Ubuntu User days === The discussion about "Ubuntu User days" started at 20:46. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays === Open Week === The discussion about "Open Week" started at 20:47. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek === Any Other Business === The discussion about "Any Other Business" started at 20:48. == Vote results == * We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 7/1/0) == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * airurando (180) * tdr112 (40) * mokmeister (33) * Belgarath (29) * zmoylan (28) * ebel (19) * meetingology (16) * darrenbatesdub_ (14) * vic9098 (14) * Bpb101 (11) * darrenbatesdub (9) * vic9098__ (2) == Full Log == 19:32 #startmeeting Summer Team Meeting 19:32 Meeting started Thu Aug 1 19:32:12 2013 UTC. The chair is airurando. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:32 19:32 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:32 Welcome everyone! 19:32 The agenda for this meeting can be found at: 19:33 http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/630/detail/ 19:33 If you are in this channel specifically for this meeting (and I hope you are) please confirm your presence by typing PRESENT and hitting enter. 19:33 PRESENT 19:33 PRESENT 19:33 PRESENT 19:33 PRESENT 19:33 PRESENT 19:33 PRESENT 19:34 PRESENT 19:34 Great stuff! Now on to the agenda items in order. 19:34 #topic Summary of successful 2013 reapproval 19:34 big thanks to airurando on this 19:35 Yeah, fair play airurando 19:35 :-) 19:35 thanks 19:35 Yes indeed, great stuff, thanks 19:35 he did a great job leanding us forward 19:35 Our Teams approval status expired at the end of June (at the moment, approved status lasts only 2 years and needs to be reapplied for at the time of expiry) 19:35 and creating all the wiki pages for it, thanks airurando 19:35 We applied for reapproval at the LoCo Council meeting on 16 Jul 13 19:36 Minutes and Logs of the meeting can be found at: 19:36 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Minutes/20130716 19:37 We were the third and last team up for reapproval. Two very impressive teams preceeded us (The Japanese Team and the Tunisian Team). 19:37 yeah, it was like 5am for the japanese team 19:37 Thanks to vic9098 who provided some valuable input during the preparation of the application 19:38 lies i tell ya 19:38 tdr112, zmoylan and of course czajkowski gave great support to my luke warm efforts to promote the Irish LoCo. 19:38 Sorry I missed that folk , Got mixed up on the days :P 19:38 np 19:38 yeah, sorry i missed it too. I was at riverdance with some visiting relatives 19:38 We gave a frank account of our diminished activity over the last two years. 19:38 no problem vic9098 or ebel 19:39 special mention to tdr112 who did it on the bus with dying battery :-) 19:39 :P 19:39 indeed :-) 19:39 We did state that some activity still existed and reboot efforts were ongoing. 19:39 The LoCo council recognised this lull in activity as a fairly common occurrence. 19:40 A short discussion developed focussed on getting new enthusiastic members to join LoCos. 19:40 It was clear that there is no easy way 19:40 The council approved our reapproval application. So we are now good to go until July 2015! 19:41 I am very thankful to the LoCo council for keeping faith in our LoCo. 19:41 so I think we now have this chance to turn the loco around 19:41 indeed tdr112 19:41 Now following on from this and, more importantly, following on from the good will expressed during or team reboot efforts both on the mailing list and during recent team meetings, I strongly feel the time is right to firmly put our LoCo on a low level sustainable footing that is not too onerous to maintain at lease until interest and activity grows. 19:42 moving on! 19:42 #topic Team meetings 19:42 Frequency? Timing? 19:43 > every month 19:43 tdr112: I think so too. 19:43 2 or 3 months 19:43 to frequent in my mind guys 19:43 no longer then two months, but we probs would not have enough uptake for monthly 19:43 at the start at least 19:44 I would say Every Month on a Certin Date . Eg the first Thursday Of every Month at 8.30 /9 pm time 19:44 Mulling this over I came up with: 19:44 that way works best in my experience 19:44 http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3319678/size/992 19:44 I dunno, I think there's something to be said for giving people a reason to come to here just to chat about ubuntu stuff. 19:44 I prefer the idea of quarterly meetings to start 19:45 FEB, MAY, AUG and NOV 19:45 well, sorry for cutting in but irc is dead to new users 19:46 looking at the chart there will be ubuntu related stuff to discuss each quarter 19:46 maybe base them around april/oct to coincide with releases 19:46 good point Belgarath 19:46 but we need to keep it open 19:46 good points indeed 19:46 airurando: website with embeded irc client is known to have good results 19:47 Belgarth we have that 19:47 yeah web irc client makes irc a fesiable option for many 19:47 Bonjour everyone sorry im late! 19:47 but it also is an open door to trolls from the other channels i hang out in 19:47 freenode has that 19:48 using irc chat on android right now 19:48 zmoylan: #ubuntu-ie has a open policy. but also has a code of conduct, if people are troublesome, we can and will kick them 19:48 Like vic, I'm using AndroIRC 19:48 I am an op here and can and will kick out trolls. 19:49 ebel: has the power 19:49 just let me (or other ops) know if there's a problem 19:49 what if they behave, the trolls are mean ...that is racist behavior and troll discrimination :P 19:49 I know i dont get to many of these meeting, but has there been much trolls on here with the irc option? 19:49 tickety boo 19:49 discrimination against trolls is fine 19:49 Bpb101: no, none really that I remember 19:49 focus people we have a lot to get through 19:50 sorry for diverting conversation 19:50 back to the topic! 19:50 monthly meetings were partly the cause of things fizzling out 19:50 How do we get new users to use web IRC in the first place? 19:51 mokmeister: send them a link. 19:51 make it look liek a web chat :) 19:51 ahhh! Thanks Ebel 19:51 if you tell them "this is a link to our irc client" nobody will use it 19:51 ebel can you find the link, I don't have it to hand 19:51 if you have "click here to talk to us" some might 19:51 so add a link to tweets of meetings? 19:52 it is not necessary for all new members and users to attend the team meetings 19:52 small steps initially 19:52 http://code.google.com/p/irctotwit/ 19:52 airurando: I think encouraging participation is an important thing though 19:53 we need to find our feet again. 19:53 http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-ie&randomnick=1 19:53 actaully bridging it to tweeter might ba a good idea 19:54 we were close to dead and the constant meetings, Ubuntu Hours, and other events where only the usual few were turning up caused the demise 19:54 start small and build again 19:54 Maybe use the link the ebel said ,and link it do facebook and twitter 5 minutes or so before the meating 19:55 I like the idea of telling people were the meeting is taking place, but maybe let them decide the medium 19:55 I strongly feel we should start with quarterly meetings 19:55 +1 non-monthly meetings 19:55 we did monthly meetings. now here we are 19:55 +1 q meetings 19:55 airurando: I'll go along with that 19:56 +1 19:56 +1 quarterly meetings 19:56 mokmeister we can always ramp up if its needed 19:56 call a vote 19:56 yep 19:56 1 quarterly meetings 19:56 Unanimous 19:57 #vote We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? 19:57 Please vote on: We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? 19:57 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 19:57 +1 19:57 +1 received from airurando 19:57 +1 19:57 +1 received from zmoylan 19:57 +1 19:57 +1 received from mokmeister 19:57 -1 19:57 -1 received from Belgarath 19:57 +1 19:57 +1 received from Bpb101 19:57 +1 19:57 +1 received from vic9098 19:57 +1 19:57 +1 received from darrenbatesdub 19:57 +1 19:57 +1 received from ebel 19:58 all done? 19:58 #endvote 19:58 Voting ended on: We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? 19:58 Votes for:7 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 19:58 Motion carried 19:58 #agreed We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year 19:59 Belgarath would you like to voice your concerns? 19:59 no? 20:00 sure 20:00 my poitn is lack of continuity with such a timwe lapse 20:00 but again I 'm new here 20:00 it takes digging stuff out to remember 3 months down the line what you were doing on the last one 20:01 the irc tends to have the usual suspects online. The mailing list fills the void I find 20:01 valid concerns but really monthly scuppered us last time. If interest grows and the need arises we will switch to more frequent meetings. 20:01 vic 9098 indeed 20:02 fair enough 20:02 no silver bullet solution. 20:02 no reason those that want to meet up monthly can't? just that the 'official' meetups are 4 times a year 20:02 and sorry to be the one person to disrupt it :) 20:02 not at all Belgarath 20:02 no need to apologize Belgarath , your opinion is as valid as any 20:03 indeed zmoylan adhoc meetings could be called by anyone at anytime 20:03 mokmeister +1 20:03 we'll plough on 20:03 #topic Release Parties 20:04 Should we continue holding them and if so at what frequency? 20:04 Personally I feel we should hold release parties for all releases as an absolute social event minimum 20:04 Never been to one, so we should hold one for 13.10 20:04 ;-) 20:04 how many are there 20:05 Do folks agree? 20:05 did they move from 2 a year 20:05 suacy party next time... should have a showing of rocky horror to coincide :-) 20:05 2 per year tdr112 20:05 2 a year, least we can do is a meetup twice a year? 20:05 you know that :-) 20:05 vic9098: hahaha! I like it! 20:05 Its oct too 20:06 vic9098 that's an interesting idea 20:06 The initial planning for these could be discussed at the proposed Feb and Aug meetings. 20:07 adhoc meetings could be called if necessary 20:07 push any discussion to the mailing list and that would keep that active? 20:07 Good idea airurando 20:07 indeed zmoylan 20:07 better start some initial planning then! 20:07 sounds good 20:07 :) 20:07 mokmeister will you take care of the midwest? 20:08 Yeah, I could try. 20:08 while we have people here 20:08 who would go to one in Dublin 20:08 i should be able to attend in dublin 20:08 I think we can initially plan to have a party or parties for saucy 20:08 me...back to DCU from Sept 20:08 me also tdr112 20:08 saucy parties....I like it 20:09 possibly me 20:09 I'm for Dublin tdr112 20:09 ok, so no reason why we cant have one in Dublin and hold hope for people to go to mokmeister 20:10 aye 20:10 general concensus no need to vote eh? 20:10 or do one definitely in dublin and the other outside dublin? 20:10 I suppose I could contact the comp socs in UL and LIT and see if I could drum up interest in a release party. 20:11 nice mokmeister 20:11 Andru Quinn is active in the LoCo. He has organised stuff in Limerick in the past. 20:11 thought he would be here tonight 20:11 yes, I was at one or two event in UL that he helped organise 20:12 Definitely Dublin release parties... Yes? 20:12 Yes 20:12 yeah 20:12 possibly other release parties outside the Pale 20:12 ebel you still there 20:13 lots of time gone i think we should move on 20:13 ok 20:13 Will we get disks for the release party, or is that a thing of the past? 20:13 if i can go , Dublin would be the best 20:13 mokmeister: discs only for LTS releases 20:14 ok 20:14 Dvds now 20:14 who uses disks to install anymore? optical drives are getting rarer and rarer in mobile hardware 20:14 and we never get them before release parties 20:14 good stuff 20:14 zmoylan: we can possible get the usb drives:) 20:14 #topic Global Jams 20:14 Could they not just mass produce Ubuntu flash drives and send them out, Couldnt be that expensive 20:15 Define a Global Jam for me 20:15 these have never worked well 20:15 What they charge for a phone, dread to see a usb price 20:15 Bpb101: we could do it ourselves 20:15 Bpb101 a topic for a different day 20:15 tdr112 indeed 20:16 darrenbatesdub_: its a weekend where people work on ubuntu together 20:16 dev, bug reports 20:16 testing 20:16 darrenbatesdub_: the idea is to get together, squah bugs, contribute etc. 20:16 website updating 20:17 I think UGJs are both socially and technically valuable for both Ubuntu and our LoCo. For those (if any) not familiar with UGJs: 20:17 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam 20:17 1st bug I'm gonna SQUASH is my own type ;) 20:17 Sounds good - but I'm no dev but would still love to get involved 20:17 but we need interested techies 20:17 *typo! jeez! :D 20:18 oops yes here 20:18 Anyone interested in learning about and leading UGJs? We need to be productive during these if we are to participate. 20:18 no point in just showing up 20:18 I have no idea wht they are about so ... 20:19 but as an absolute minimum I strongly feel we should hold UGJs for the LTS releases. 20:19 Belgarath: check out the wiki and google Ubuntu Global Jam 20:19 Belgarath: they could be great 20:19 * Belgarath googling in background 20:20 but we need leadership 20:20 As an absolute minimum I strongly feel we should hold UGJs for the LTS releases. 20:20 but I'd prefer if we held them for each iteration 20:21 actually 3 month before we can do a testing one 20:21 and upgrade to the new rc :) 20:21 Again, the planning for these could be discussed at the proposed Feb and Aug meeting as appropriate. 20:21 I can offer leadership, but I'm not a 'techie' and chances are I'll be out of here by the time the new LTS comes out 20:22 i think we need a pre ugj for the ugj so that everyone is up to speed for the day 20:23 zmoylan: can you lead this? 20:23 I think that is a good idea 20:23 at the mo, i can't even make it 100% to meetups unfortunately :-/ 20:23 darrenbatesdub_: why out of here by the time the new LTS comes out? 20:24 tdr112: could you lead these? 20:24 ebel could you? 20:24 airurando: i could i am trying to find the dates at the moment 20:24 for the life of me i cant find them 20:24 Belgarath: what about you? 20:25 Isn't the new LTS 14.10? I'm hoping to be in the USA then 20:25 14.04 20:25 September of 2014 20:25 airurando: lets move that discusson to next quaterly meeting 20:25 I need to read a bit in between 20:26 tdr112 sep 13/14/15 20:26 Belgarath: fair point but the saucy jam is in Sept 20:26 thats fine 20:26 cool 20:26 airurando: I ment my participaion 20:27 not the fact it should go on 20:27 ok i can run something on the sat or sun 20:27 Belgarath: sorry 20:27 a one day thing 20:27 tdr112 great 20:27 leave it withme 20:27 even is we can use the day to figure out how we will do it next time! 20:28 i will use the mailing list to hash out the details 20:28 great 20:28 we'll move on 20:28 others welcome to help 20:28 Productive meetings shouldn't last more than an hour... ;) 20:28 I'll try 20:28 mokmeister: not true 20:29 mokmeister I was just aboutt o say that 20:29 airurando: whats next 20:29 I'll gladly help tdr112 20:29 mokmeister: depends on a subject 20:29 ah sure only messin 20:29 :) 20:29 the rest of the stuff is FYO 20:29 so ill quickly go through it 20:30 #topic Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summits 20:30 Do people participate in these? 20:30 The next one will be held between the 27th and the 29th of August and at present they are scheduled to occur every 3 months. 20:30 i have never 20:30 nope 20:31 http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/ 20:31 If you can find the time I'd encourage you all to attend. 20:31 I havent, but i might consider the next one. They are a good idea though 20:31 currently the plan is to hold them every three months 20:31 Twould be interesting just to see what's going on alright 20:31 do if you can 20:32 do sign up for it if you can 20:32 movin on 20:32 #topic Ubuntu Hours and/or Other Social Events 20:32 Adhoc? If so will people actually call any? 20:33 Personally, I am happy to leave this as adhoc. 20:33 thoughts? 20:33 me too 20:33 Same 20:33 yep 20:33 grand 20:33 agreed. Will they happen if left to adhoc though? 20:34 And how will people know that they are happening? Through IRC / mailiing list? 20:34 mokmeister: indeed 20:34 mailing list 20:34 they have been posted on the mailing list and twitter in the past 20:34 it will be up to people to call them 20:34 if they don't well they don't 20:35 we need to facebook, g+ AND tweet them 20:35 anyone on facebook or g+? i don't use them 20:35 I dont use them 20:35 is there an ubuntu-ie on g+? 20:35 zmoylan I do the facebook stuff 20:35 Very active on G+. Facebook for family. 20:35 andru quinn does the G+ 20:36 We could do so much on G+ 20:36 put out the notices on social media but all links back to the wiki? 20:36 very few folk on g+ 20:37 any social media you pick will have x percentage that won't use if for y reason 20:37 zmoylan: not the wiki. The LoCo team portal 20:37 airurando: you are correct, the portal not the wiki 20:37 so we'll leave it at call them when you want 20:38 i ussally post the outings on boards.ie as well , when there one up. Dont know how many people read them though 20:38 thanks for doing that Bpb101 20:38 #topic Team Administration 20:39 Meeting Minutes/Logs , Team Reports, LoCo Team Portal and our Social Streams 20:39 anyone interested in getting involved with this? 20:39 what does it involve? 20:40 team reports have stopped 20:40 Very interested 20:40 we need someone to take them on 20:40 or we can continue not doing them 20:40 darrenbatesdub_: 20:40 I'll take them. 20:40 great 20:41 I'll chat to you offline darrenbatesdub_ about this 20:41 not a biggy 20:41 Sound. 20:41 I'll continue to take care of the other stuff at present 20:42 #topic Any Other Business 20:42 i have one 20:42 shoot 20:42 czajkowski: is running a mug in dublin (Dublin MongoDB User Group ) 20:42 oh yes. 20:42 details here http://www.meetup.com/DublinMUG/events/131173222/ 20:43 it has been some time since she has been back to visit our loco so some of us will be along to chat 20:43 yes indeed 20:43 I will be along 20:43 I'd encourage everyone to get to know czajkowski 20:43 ireland has been a lot quieter since she went to uk 20:43 oh yeah 20:44 a powerful force in the Irish LoCo, the greated Ubuntu ecosphere and now MongoDB community manager for the EMEA region 20:44 a passionate open source advocate. 20:45 We need more of her in the world! 20:45 I've just to more quick links for our new people 20:46 first though for the minutes 20:46 #topic czajkowski: is running a mug in dublin (Dublin MongoDB User Group ) 20:46 now 20:46 #topic Ubuntu User days 20:47 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays 20:47 folks should check those out 20:47 and 20:47 #topic Open Week 20:47 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek 20:48 folks should check those out also 20:48 coming to the end 20:48 airurando: that user days link brings up a timetable for last Feb 20:48 #topic Any Other Business 20:49 mokmeister: when the hold the next one it should refresh I think 20:49 ok 20:49 all done? 20:50 Thanks everyone for attending and participating. Lets hope this can put the Ubuntu Ireland Team on a sustainable, fun and productive footing. 20:50 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)