== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-gnome: Ubuntu GNOME Sub-Teams, 29 Sep at 12:30 — 13:45 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2015/ubuntu-gnome.2015-09-29-12.30.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === HR Sub-Team === The discussion about "HR Sub-Team" started at 12:30. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Human_Resources === Packaging team === The discussion about "Packaging team" started at 12:31. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Packaging === Brainstorming Team === The discussion about "Brainstorming Team" started at 12:32. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Brainstorming === QA Team === The discussion about "QA Team" started at 12:34. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Testing_and_Reporting_Bugs === Wiki and Doc Team === The discussion about "Wiki and Doc Team" started at 12:35. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Documentation * ''ACTION:'' amjjawad to merge translations under Wiki and Doc team and maybe create a new sub-team and rename the old one === Marketing Team === The discussion about "Marketing Team" started at 12:39. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Marketing_and_Communications * ''ACTION:'' amjjawad to finally merge artwork + marketing and name the new team Marketing only === artwork team === The discussion about "artwork team" started at 12:46. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Artwork_.26_Design === Translations === The discussion about "Translations" started at 12:47. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Translations === Development === The discussion about "Development" started at 12:48. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Developing_and_Coding === Sub-Team Wiki Page === The discussion about "Sub-Team Wiki Page" started at 12:49. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams * ''ACTION:'' amjjawad to update the entire page to reflect the 'new' changes. === Qs === The discussion about "Qs" started at 12:49. === NEW Sub-Team - Human Development === The discussion about "NEW Sub-Team - Human Development" started at 12:52. * ''ACTION:'' amjjawad to double check the name of human development team * ''ACTION:'' amjjawad makes sure to give Inoki access === others === The discussion about "others" started at 13:08. === logo === The discussion about "logo" started at 13:13. * ''ACTION:'' aldomann2 to send https://www.behance.net/gallery/25233455/Ubuntu-GNOME to GNOME foundation CC amjjawad * ''ACTION:'' amjjawad Inoki aldomann2 to discuss the new website later == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * aldomann * aldomann2 to send https://www.behance.net/gallery/25233455/Ubuntu-GNOME to GNOME foundation CC amjjawad * amjjawad Inoki aldomann2 to discuss the new website later * aldomann2 * aldomann2 to send https://www.behance.net/gallery/25233455/Ubuntu-GNOME to GNOME foundation CC amjjawad * amjjawad Inoki aldomann2 to discuss the new website later * amjjawad * amjjawad to merge translations under Wiki and Doc team and maybe create a new sub-team and rename the old one * amjjawad to finally merge artwork + marketing and name the new team Marketing only * amjjawad to update the entire page to reflect the 'new' changes. * amjjawad to double check the name of human development team * amjjawad makes sure to give Inoki access * aldomann2 to send https://www.behance.net/gallery/25233455/Ubuntu-GNOME to GNOME foundation CC amjjawad * amjjawad Inoki aldomann2 to discuss the new website later * Inoki * amjjawad makes sure to give Inoki access * amjjawad Inoki aldomann2 to discuss the new website later == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * amjjawad (199) * Inoki (51) * aldomann2 (43) * AuttoMatta (22) * meetingology (10) * pvmatta6 (3) * aldomann (3) == Full Log == 12:30 #startmeeting Ubuntu GNOME Sub-Teams 12:30 Meeting started Tue Sep 29 12:30:21 2015 UTC. The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 12:30 12:30 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 12:30 #topic HR Sub-Team 12:30 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Human_Resources 12:31 HR will be removed and each and every recruitment will be within each sub-team. 12:31 We have agreed on that long time ago, just thought to confirm it :) 12:31 Agreed 12:31 Yep 12:31 Oh wait 12:31 brb 12:31 #topic Packaging team 12:32 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Packaging 12:32 this team will remain as it is. It is due to upload rights, etc so this won't be touched at all. 12:32 #topic Brainstorming Team 12:32 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Brainstorming 12:32 this team will be removed due to the fact that it has never ever been active, not even once. 12:33 True. 12:33 We have also agreed on that, just to confirm 12:33 You're advancing too fast Ali. 12:33 because we have agreed on all that :) 12:33 Back to packaging, cant' it just be named Packaging (without the team)? 12:33 You know, like Packaging, Development, Marketing, PR... 12:33 Inoki, as I stated before, renaming any sub-team/team within launchpad means purging the mailing list. 12:33 Ouch >.> 12:34 Inoki, could we please focus on the function of each sub-team instead of the names? 12:34 Ok 12:34 I care less about the names which are labels ;) 12:34 I care more about the function of the team. 12:34 can we move on now? 12:34 Yup 12:34 Yes 12:34 great 12:34 #topic QA Team 12:34 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Testing_and_Reporting_Bugs 12:34 needless to say, this is untouchable team :D 12:35 nothing will be done here. 12:35 all good? 12:35 Okay 12:35 I think Alfredo is on his way 12:35 no worries 12:35 I'm alive and reading 12:35 there will be a log ;) 12:35 Good 12:35 Oh, here he is 12:35 :D 12:35 #topic Wiki and Doc Team 12:35 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Documentation 12:36 Now, this is yet another super important team. I was thinking to merge translations and Wiki in one team. Why? while Translations was part of marketing and communications team, the activities of translations were only within the scope of the wiki area. 12:37 That said, I see it logical to put translations under wiki 12:37 thoughts? 12:37 I agree with you 12:37 I don't understand why were Translations a part of Marketing. Has nothing to do with that. 12:37 ^ 12:37 Inoki, because Tim suggested that 12:37 he didn't want to have 'more' sub-teams 12:37 *cough* we can move on 12:38 hahahaha 12:38 XD 12:38 yeah, as long as we only keep one main UG social media page, there's no sense in including it in marketing 12:38 Yep 12:38 translations people have no activities else where 12:38 also, obviously the wiki is where the translations have been active] 12:38 their main activities were on the wiki 12:39 True that 12:39 #action amjjawad to merge translations under Wiki and Doc team and maybe create a new sub-team and rename the old one 12:39 * meetingology amjjawad to merge translations under Wiki and Doc team and maybe create a new sub-team and rename the old one 12:39 #topic Marketing Team 12:39 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Marketing_and_Communications 12:40 Now, here is the most important part :D 12:40 I was thinking a lot about the name. IMHO, the best name would be "Marketing" 12:40 only 12:40 Yup 12:40 Yus 12:41 aldomann, ? 12:41 hmm 12:41 I'll grab a tea, reading, don't worry. If delayed response you know why. 12:41 Inoki, no worries 12:42 aldomann, :) what's going on?! 12:42 my laptop froze in a loop 12:42 :/ 12:42 did you read what I sent earlier? 12:43 I was thinking a lot about the name. IMHO, the best name would be "Marketing" 12:43 only 12:43 weird thing, the music was in a small loop and could move the mouse or do anything with the keyboard 12:43 nah, lost between AutoMatta's "True that" and your last action 12:44 aldomann2, I was thinking a lot about the name. IMHO, the best name would be "Marketing" 12:44 only 12:44 for the Wiki and Doc team? 12:44 We were talking about artwork + marketing 12:44 ah, all right 12:44 well, the functions are the same; I don't really care about the name :) 12:45 aldomann2, that's my man :D 12:46 #action amjjawad to finally merge artwork + marketing and name the new team Marketing only 12:46 * meetingology amjjawad to finally merge artwork + marketing and name the new team Marketing only 12:46 #topic artwork team 12:46 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Artwork_.26_Design 12:46 my only concern about changing the names is the mailing lists 12:46 goodbye artwork team :P 12:46 aldomann2, I'll handle that, no worries. We shall have 'new' team and 'new' mailing list. 12:46 idk, was there much communication before I came? Just askin' 12:46 I will 'not' remove the 'old' teams nor the 'old' mailing list. 12:47 okay, and we keep the old ones for archiving purposes? 12:47 perfect :) 12:47 I will never delete anything 12:47 will keep them as they're just in case 12:47 I already changed the name of artwork team 12:47 #topic Translations 12:47 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Translations 12:48 as has been agreed, this will be under Wiki 12:48 #topic Development 12:48 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams#Developing_and_Coding 12:48 this will be hidden from our Wiki area 12:48 only those who are active + have experience + upload rights will be joining the dev team 12:49 it's strictly for them. Not open for everyone. 12:49 Alright. 12:49 #topic Sub-Team Wiki Page 12:49 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams 12:49 #action amjjawad to update the entire page to reflect the 'new' changes. 12:49 * meetingology amjjawad to update the entire page to reflect the 'new' changes. 12:49 #topic Qs 12:49 any Q? 12:50 well, yeah 12:50 aldomann2, shoot :) 12:50 can you quickly name the new teams, so we can create the corresponding logos/icons for the Launchpad pages 12:50 aldomann2, how about waiting for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams to be updateD? 12:50 if you need that now, sure 12:51 ah, also that :P 12:51 no hurry 12:51 (1) Packaging Sub-Team 12:51 (2) QA Sub-Team 12:51 (3) Documentation Sub-Team 12:51 (4) Marketing Sub-Team 12:52 Ops, I forgot one 12:52 (5) Human Development Sub-Team 12:52 #topic NEW Sub-Team - Human Development 12:52 Human Resources? 12:52 Oh okay 12:52 No, it's not like that 12:53 recruitment will be done within each sub-team. 12:53 and Brainstorming, right? 12:53 The leaders of that sub-team should know whether they need more staff or not. 12:53 brainstorming is gone. 12:53 it will happen on the general list 12:53 oh, shoot, we won't be using blueprints anymore? 12:53 it's on going process that does not need a team 12:53 no, we shall use that. It has nothing to do with brainstorming sub-team 12:54 it's just the entry of "brainstorming" will be removed 12:54 Human Development sub-team focuses on 2 main parts 12:54 A- newcomers 12:54 Having a general brainstorming team where all the brainstorming happens for all the other teams is kind of pointless imo. Each team does its own planning. 12:54 B- Excising members 12:55 Inoki, indeed. 12:55 In fact, the 'main' reason why I created the brainstorming team 2 years ago was to plan in advance for our project which never happen. 12:55 yeah, but the thing is all blueprints are located there; we'll now use blueprints for each team instead of making them all in the Brainstorming team? 12:55 We had no manpower to plan for Ubuntu+2 12:55 we were almost planning for Ubuntu+1 12:56 idk aldomann2, I haven't witnessed much activity on those blueprints, hence my doubts. 12:56 aldomann2, nothing will change. If you remember, I was assigning the blueprints to the proper team 12:56 don't worry about it. 12:56 Starting with next cycle, we shall use the blueprints again 12:56 don't worry about that now ;) 12:57 to finish the topic .. 12:57 HD = Human Development will focus on (a) newcomers. (b) current members. 12:57 okay, but technically the team will still exist in the shadows (at least the launchpad page), am I right? Sorry to be too insisting 12:57 What will happen? those who think they're zero and know nothing, we shall empower them, inspire them and help them to get started. 12:58 Also, we can help them and make them move from just members to leaders or active contributors. 12:58 aldomann2, I will not delete it but it won't be used - example: its mailing list will not be used. 12:58 Ok, but does that really need another team? Will that team have tutors? 12:59 Shouldn't the tutors be members of a particular team? 12:59 each new blueprint will be assigned to the sub-team that match its topic. 12:59 I have something in mind for the future 12:59 SO basically it's like a training area to learn and polish skills? 12:59 amjjawad, okay, got it 12:59 that's why I like to introduce HD team 12:59 To me, HD = HR. 12:59 No. 13:00 it's way different 13:00 I have special skills 13:00 I can empower people and inspire them in no time. 13:00 I have done that so many times. 13:00 Newcomers will feel super bad 13:00 they usually feel they are zero. We shall make them feel like heroes. 13:00 But, shouldn't it be in people's own interest to cultivate their skills? 13:00 we shall offer that as a help. 13:01 Whoever wish to improve his/her skills, he/she is more than welcome. 13:01 If no one is interested, our doors will remain open. 13:01 When I think of this I think of Charlie and that you now feel you need a team designated specially for newcomers like him >.> 13:01 Charlie? 13:01 ah, legendary Charlie 13:01 hmmm 13:01 the one who left? 13:02 Yeah, that guy, who complained how nobody babysit him. 13:02 Ah 13:02 well, it's even beyond 13:02 not only newcomers but also current ones 13:02 over a year and a half, I have worked with people who were failures. 13:02 Now, they're leading the way 13:03 yes, it drained my entire energy but I love the result. 13:03 Q: you said you wanna work with them, help them develop. Isn't that contra-productive since you have few time? 13:03 I want Ubuntu GNOME to be different from other flavors 13:04 I have developed new skills in the process :) 13:04 Not to ruin your vision Ali, but you already seem to carry a lot on your shoulders. 13:04 I know 13:04 but this new team won't see any action until next cycle 13:04 I might find someone to drive it during that time. 13:05 don't worry, I do see your point Inoki 13:05 we can always revert back. 13:05 it's a matter of a vote + an email to announce whether this sub-team is ok or not ok. 13:05 Ok, you know. Just trying to illustrate it on a good example I believe: a powerplant. It works, it powers everything, but if it gets to a point of overload it explodes, devastating everything. 13:06 I see your point Inoki :D 13:06 no worries 13:06 I learned over the years how to be faster 13:06 kk 13:07 #action amjjawad to double check the name of human development team 13:07 * meetingology amjjawad to double check the name of human development team 13:07 Tim was against the name but I explained to him that we should focus on the function, not the name. 13:07 so aldomann2 we have 5 sub-teams 13:08 From 9 to 5 :) 13:08 yeah, that's nice 13:08 Ah, the website will be under marketing and same goes for the social media 13:08 #action amjjawad makes sure to give Inoki access 13:08 * meetingology amjjawad makes sure to give Inoki access 13:08 #topic others 13:08 what else? 13:09 Testing team? shouldn't it be listed there as well 13:10 that'd make 6 subteams, right? 13:10 aldomann2, QA = Testing :D 13:10 No, still 5 13:10 ah, true 13:10 (1) Packaging Sub-Team 13:10 (2) QA Sub-Team 13:10 (3) Documentation Sub-Team 13:10 (4) Marketing Sub-Team 13:10 Ops, I forgot one 13:10 (5) Human Development Sub-Team 13:10 perfect then 13:11 :D 13:11 any other Q? 13:11 Maybe off topic, but a meeting where we would discuss the shape of the OS would be nice, i.e. to follow the promise of a "pure gnome experience" 13:11 ^ 13:12 Inoki, the same topic that you guys were discussing on Telegram? 13:12 Kinda, to include more gnome apps instead of their alternatives 13:12 Yes, if I am getting him correctly. 13:12 To consider it a Gnome OS 13:12 that's need a new meeting 13:12 So ppl get a complete Gnome experience 13:12 and Tim must be attending that one too 13:13 Yeah, the logo 13:13 what's next on that front 13:13 #topic logo 13:13 We need a person inside Gnome to communicate with 13:14 That should be default since we ship Gnome 13:14 as per Tim, and as we discussed over Telegram, we need to: (1) contact GNOME. (2) wait for their reply. (3) keep nagging and nagging until we get a reply. 13:14 It's like "we ship it, but have no relations with them" 13:14 We did all that 13:15 then why there was no reply from their side? 13:15 We need a liaison of some kind 13:15 No idea. aldomann2? 13:16 I think it would be to our great benefit of having a person to act like a bridge between us and gnome. To talk everything through, latest stuff, even if it doesn't (yet) concern us. Just to stay informed and keep informend. 13:16 no idea whatsoever 13:17 Whatever would need to be done would be done via that person, who would be the communication channel with them. 13:17 Inoki, as always, the main issue is lack of manpower 13:17 that said, we need someone from us. 13:17 More like a external affairs person 13:18 an * 13:18 AuttoMatta, it is so hard to find that person. 13:18 Exactly. Hardly anybody considers that thing. 13:18 Problem is we cannot function without a link like this. Now we can see, when we need to discuss stuff regarding our identity, that we cannot reach them and time's against us. 13:19 Inoki, we don't need that complication. KISS (Keep It Simple and Short). That said, we just need to be nice and polite with them, that's all. 13:20 We need someone from GNOME who work with them but he/she should be active. 13:20 From the last reply in the e-mail (Allan Day): Thanks for keeping us in the loop, Alfredo! We're working on this ourselves - we've just got to get the legal side worked out. 13:21 aldomann2, when was that? 13:21 two months exactly (29th of July) 13:22 O_o 13:22 WHAT? 13:22 then, as I suggested, we need to keep nagging and nagging :( 13:22 by nagging I mean keep sending to them. 13:22 Yes. Exactly why we need a sort of representative for permissions and stuff. 13:23 But let's be nice and polite, please. 13:25 Having a representative with them would be nice and no nagging would be needed, but ok. 13:28 Sometimes the label do have a certain weight on people, you see. If @aldomann2 would have introduced himself as a External Affairs Manager or some sort, he would have gotten more attention possibly. 13:28 idk, I really think they are looking into it 13:28 Anyway, we need to get a final response and stress to them, that we are shortly before a release (!). 13:29 ^ Yes 13:29 judging from the e-mail Patrik sent us, they seem to have quite a bunch of issues with their trademark and legal stuff 13:29 What we think we know and what is reality are different things. 13:29 But with this logo we are doing them a favour. 13:29 yes, that's our view 13:30 but I would kinda understand if they were concerned about us usingit 13:30 the problem is the following 13:30 Someone should get in touch with them again and this time it should be someone in Ali's position, maybe even Ali. 13:30 they WERE already okay with it 13:30 I don't think it is about roles and titles here. 13:31 aldomann2, is already a team-leader 13:31 a core member 13:31 they should be okayer (pun intended) now that we have implemented all their feedback in the logo 13:31 Anyway, I might send them an email from my @gnome.org 13:31 aldomann2, can you please email me the name of the person to get contact with? 13:31 that's what I'm talking about. You're also a Ubuntu member, maybe it counts, idk. 13:32 Inoki, I don't think so but no harm to try .. 13:32 I'll send a new reply to the existing e-mail and include you in the CC 13:32 We have to, we're short on time. 13:32 sounds right? amjjawad 13:32 ? 13:32 CC sounds right 13:33 aldomann2, perfect ;) 13:33 include both @ubuntu and @gnome :P hehe 13:33 Send them also the link https://www.behance.net/gallery/25233455/Ubuntu-GNOME so they can see themselves if they haven't already. 13:34 #action aldomann2 to send https://www.behance.net/gallery/25233455/Ubuntu-GNOME to GNOME foundation CC amjjawad 13:34 * meetingology aldomann2 to send https://www.behance.net/gallery/25233455/Ubuntu-GNOME to GNOME foundation CC amjjawad 13:35 they already have the link 13:35 reminding is always good :D 13:36 don't you see when I send an email, I do remind people over and over again? 13:36 to re-program your unconscious mind, you do that with repeating over and over again 13:41 I must sleep 13:41 anything else to discuss? 13:41 nope 13:41 Nope 13:42 anyway, e-mail sent 13:42 quickly, what happened to the website? :/ 13:42 you should've gotten it already 13:42 Gaurav has already a preview: http://demo.magikpress.com/ug/# 13:43 he's trying to get the technical stuff about the hosting solved before moving on 13:43 I see. 13:44 #action amjjawad Inoki aldomann2 to discuss the new website later 13:44 * meetingology amjjawad Inoki aldomann2 to discuss the new website later 13:44 I'll end this meeting (log). Many thanks :D 13:44 Gonna be on Telegram, laters, and thanks 13:45 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)