== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-02-02, started by Wimpress, 02 Feb at 14:31 — 15:01 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-02-02-14.31.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:32.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:32)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:33)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/1782984   (Wimpress, 14:33)

=== rls-ff-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:34.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:35)
 * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1910838   (Wimpress, 14:35)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:36)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1912498   (Wimpress, 14:38)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/+bug/1913656   (Wimpress, 14:39)

=== rls-gg-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:42.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:42)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:43)
 * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1913651   (Wimpress, 14:43)
 * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1913651   (Wimpress, 14:45)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pi-bluetooth/+bug/1901272   (Wimpress, 14:46)

=== rls-hh-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:46.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:47)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:47)

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:48.

 * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages   (Wimpress, 14:48)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:51.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/refreshing-the-ubuntu-desktop-installer/20659   (seb128, 14:59)
 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/trying-wayland-by-default-again/20575   (seb128, 14:59)
 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/staying-on-gtk3-and-gnome-3-38-this-cycle   (seb128, 15:00)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * Wimpress (65)
 * seb128 (31)
 * Laney (10)
 * ubot5 (8)
 * Trevinho (5)
 * rbalint (3)
 * meetingology (2)
 * hellsworth (2)
 * oSoMoN (2)
 * jibel (1)
 * callmepk (1)
 * marcustomlinson (1)



== Full log ==


 14:31 <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-02-02

 14:31 <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:31:35 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

 14:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick

 14:31 <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk

 14:32 <Trevinho> o/

 14:32 <hellsworth> o/

 14:32 <jibel> \0

 14:32 <callmepk> o/

 14:32 <marcustomlinson> \o

 14:32 <oSoMoN> o/

 14:32 <Wimpress> Hello desktoppers :-)

 14:32 <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs

 14:32 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:33 <Wimpress> Clear

 14:33 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:33 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/1782984

 14:33 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1782984 in libx11 (Ubuntu Groovy) "Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed with multiple applications" [High,New]

 14:34 <Wimpress> Assigning to Timo

 14:34 <Wimpress> Everything else is in order.

 14:34 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs

 14:35 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:35 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1910838

 14:35 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1910838 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "stopped working after latest update" [Undecided,Incomplete]

 14:35 <Wimpress> I think we discussed that one last week.

 14:35 <Wimpress> Waiting for feedback.

 14:36 <Wimpress> HWE is being discussed.

 14:36 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:38 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1912498

 14:38 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1912498 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Focal) "Preinstall some new essential raspi packages in the official raspi images" [High,In progress]

 14:38 <Wimpress> ANy of us involved in the above?

 14:38 <Wimpress> Looks like sil2100 is working that?

 14:38 <Laney> Nah, that's for Łukasz, assign it imo

 14:39 <Wimpress> Done.

 14:39 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/+bug/1913656

 14:39 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1913656 in ghostscript (Ubuntu Focal) "Fix for Ghostscript 9.50 upstream bug needs to be back-ported" [Medium,New]

 14:40 <Wimpress> Any takers?

 14:41 <Laney> for Till maybe?>

 14:41 <seb128> tkamppeter_, ^ one SRU for you maybe there?

 14:41 <Trevinho> guess it's for TIll?

 14:41 <Laney> lol

 14:41 <Laney> Tillfest

 14:41 <seb128> :-)

 14:41 <Wimpress> Till wins a bug

 14:42 <hellsworth> till he protests..

 14:42 <Wimpress> Everything else is assigned.

 14:42 <oSoMoN> it's "adopt a bug" day

 14:42 <Wimpress> #topic rls-gg-bugs

 14:42 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:42 <Wimpress> Is fine ^

 14:43 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:43 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1913651

 14:43 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1913651 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu Groovy) "/usr/bin/ubuntu-drivers:PermissionError:/usr/bin/ubuntu-drivers@480:__call__:main:invoke:invoke:invoke:new_func:invoke:autoinstall:command_install" [High,Triaged]

 14:44 <Laney> it's for tselio_t and in progress afaik, assign it

 14:45 <Wimpress> Yep. Assigned.

 14:45 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1913651

 14:45 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1913651 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu Groovy) "/usr/bin/ubuntu-drivers:PermissionError:/usr/bin/ubuntu-drivers@480:__call__:main:invoke:invoke:invoke:new_func:invoke:autoinstall:command_install" [High,Triaged]

 14:45 <Wimpress> That is being handled by Dave.

 14:46 <seb128> that was the same number than before?

 14:46 <Laney> wrong link, or else we're all in the matrix

 14:46 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pi-bluetooth/+bug/1901272

 14:46 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1901272 in pi-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Can't connect Bluetooth devices after reboot - Ubuntu 20.10 on Raspberry Pi 4" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 14:46 <Wimpress> That one ^

 14:46 <seb128> right

 14:46 <Wimpress> Everything else is in order.

 14:46 <Wimpress> #topic rls-hh-bugs

 14:47 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:47 <Wimpress> Is fine ^

 14:47 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:47 <Wimpress> Also fine ^

 14:48 <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:48 <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:48 <seb128> right

 14:49 <seb128> tiff is waiting for MIR team, their meeting is just after this one

 14:49 <seb128> I will go ask if it didn't get picked for review because it was assigned

 14:49 <Wimpress> OK

 14:49 <seb128> n-m sounds like a systemd issue, I pinged r_balint about it

 14:49 <rbalint> seb128, ?

 14:50 <seb128> rbalint, we are reviewed blocked in proposed for our team and I was talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1914062

 14:50 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1914062 in systemd (Ubuntu) "NetworkManager-wait-online.service in 1.28.0-2ubuntu1 fails to start in LXC" [Undecided,New]

 14:50 <rbalint> n-m does not start in lzc

 14:50 <Wimpress> Anything else in excuses a cause for concern?

 14:50 <seb128> software-properties/armhf, probably to check with foundations

 14:50 <seb128> that keeps beeing flaky or problematic

 14:51 <Wimpress> Flappy test?

 14:51 <seb128> :-)

 14:51 <seb128> but otherwise nothing new or problematic, the few glib failures probably need to be checked

 14:51 <seb128> and that's it

 14:51 <Wimpress> Thanks.

 14:51 <Wimpress> #topic AOB

 14:52 <Wimpress> Anyone have anything else they want to discuss?

 14:52 <Wimpress> OK, I'll go.

 14:52 <Wimpress> I met with the Yaru team last night.

 14:53 <rbalint> seb128, the log from the bug contains this: Get:263 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu hirsute-proposed/main amd64 network-manager amd64 1.28.0-2ubuntu1 [2002 kB]

 14:53 <Wimpress> TL;DR in terms of Yaru - merging the GTK4 and GNOME40 themes looks to be business as usual.

 14:54 <Wimpress> No expected major issues.

 14:54 <seb128> great

 14:54 <seb128> I'm going to upload GTK4 to hirsute today

 14:54 <seb128> Debian NEW is taking forever and since there was a call for testing on discourse

 14:54 <Wimpress> Yaru team do have one request though.

 14:54 <Wimpress> Can GNOME40 snapshot be uploaded to a PPA so they can test/validate everything is indeed working?

 14:55 <seb128> no

 14:55 <Wimpress> So, next cycle then?

 14:55 <seb128> we will eventually get there, but one of the reason we postponed is that we don't have the engineering capacity to do the work required by the updares

 14:55 <seb128> updates

 14:56 <Wimpress> Understood.

 14:56 <seb128> the lack of resources applies also to some degree to the ppa

 14:56 <Laney> there's a gtk4 package in debian, and that has a demo application or two in it

 14:56 <seb128> we might have wip work landing at some point

 14:56 <Laney> which is probably good enough to rebuild on ubuntu, and use for testing

 14:56 <seb128> Laney, I'm basically just fake syncing the version that is sitting in NEW

 14:56 <Laney> good

 14:56 <Wimpress> clobrano ^

 14:57 <seb128> I just finished a test build on hirsute and it's fine :-)

 14:57 <Laney> so I assume the demos are packaged in there and they can be used for now until we get some apps which require it

 14:58 <Wimpress> I have nothing else to add regarding Yaru etc.

 14:58 <Wimpress> Anyone have any other topics?

 14:59 <Wimpress> Also Feichtmeier ^

 14:59 <seb128> I'm just going to mention recent topics from discourse for those not follow the website

 14:59 <seb128> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/refreshing-the-ubuntu-desktop-installer/20659

 14:59 <Wimpress> Good point!

 14:59 <seb128> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/trying-wayland-by-default-again/20575

 14:59 <Trevinho> Wimpress, clobrano: I can do the simplest thing by just copy the debian sources (as they are) in a PPA once they hit that...

 14:59 <Trevinho> may be enough for testing

 15:00 <seb128> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/staying-on-gtk3-and-gnome-3-38-this-cycle

 15:00 <Wimpress> Thanks Trevinho

 15:00 <seb128> Trevinho, Debian is frozen

 15:00 <Trevinho> well experimental isn't going to be updated?

 15:00 <seb128> they might still update to experimental but I doubt that's going to be a focus

 15:01 <Wimpress> Are we done?

 15:01 <seb128> I think so

 15:01 <Wimpress> #endmeeting



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