== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26, 26 Jan at 14:31 — 15:06 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-01-26-14.31.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:32.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:32)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:33)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/1782984   (Wimpress, 14:34)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:37)

=== rls-ff-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:37.

 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1910838   (Wimpress, 14:38)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1911614   (Wimpress, 14:39)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:40)

=== rls-gg-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:42.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:42)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:43)

=== rls-hh-bugs ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:44.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:44)
 * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1911921   (Wimpress, 14:44)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html   (Wimpress, 14:47)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/1912609   (Wimpress, 14:47)
 * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiff/+bug/1908502   (Wimpress, 14:49)

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:51.

 * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages   (Wimpress, 14:51)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by Wimpress at 14:55.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * Wimpress (64)
 * seb128 (36)
 * Laney (9)
 * didrocks (6)
 * ubot5 (6)
 * kenvandine (4)
 * oSoMoN (3)
 * Trevinho (3)
 * meetingology (2)
 * hellsworth (1)
 * marcustomlinson (1)
 * luna_ (1)
 * jibel (1)
 * tjaalton (1)
 * didrocks999 (1)



== Full log ==


 14:31 <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-01-26

 14:31 <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:31:47 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

 14:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick

 14:31 <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk

 14:31 <oSoMoN> 🐵/

 14:32 <hellsworth> ~o~

 14:32 <seb128> _o/

 14:32 <marcustomlinson> 🕺🏻

 14:32 <kenvandine> o/

 14:32 * luna_ is sick and don't have energy to attend today

 14:32 <kenvandine> luna_: feel better!

 14:32 <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs

 14:32 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:32 <seb128> luna_, oh, get better!

 14:32 <didrocks> o/

 14:32 <jibel> hola o/

 14:32 <Wimpress> bb-incoming all quiet

 14:33 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:34 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libx11/+bug/1782984

 14:34 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1782984 in libx11 (Ubuntu Groovy) "Assertion `!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost' failed with multiple applications" [High,New]

 14:35 <Wimpress> Looks like Timo is working that one.

 14:36 <seb128> seems like a fix probably worth SRUing at least to focl

 14:36 <Wimpress> Yep.

 14:36 <seb128> tjaalton, you were planning to do that?

 14:36 <tjaalton> sounds fine

 14:37 <Wimpress> Thanks.

 14:37 <Wimpress> The rest are assigned for bb-tracking

 14:37 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:37 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs

 14:38 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1910838

 14:38 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1910838 in gnome-shell-extension-appindicator (Ubuntu) "stopped working after latest update" [Undecided,New]

 14:38 <Wimpress> I'm marking that Incomplete since Seb asked a question to find out more.

 14:39 <seb128> marco said he had it on his backlog iirc but we probably failed to triage properly to get it off the lists

 14:39 <seb128> if it's the same as the other one

 14:39 <seb128> but the submitter didn't reply so incomplete seems fine yes :)

 14:39 <Trevinho> Yeah i think is the same as the one you commented

 14:39 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1911614

 14:39 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1911614 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 20.04 and 20.04.1 images use linux-generic-hwe-20.04 instead of linux-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 14:40 <Wimpress> We are going to discuss that later ^

 14:40 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:42 <Wimpress> Looks in order.

 14:42 <Wimpress> #topic rls-gg-bugs

 14:42 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:43 <Wimpress> All good

 14:43 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:43 <Wimpress> Also all assigned.

 14:44 <Wimpress> #topic rls-hh-bugs

 14:44 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:44 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1911921

 14:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1911921 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in src/core/workspace.c:375:meta_workspace_add_window: assertion failed: (g_list_find (workspace->mru_list, window) == NULL)" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 14:45 <Wimpress> Looks like Daniel is tracking that one.

 14:46 <Wimpress> Interesting since we've been discussing Wayland.

 14:46 <Wimpress> I've assigned Daniel.

 14:47 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:47 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/1912609

 14:47 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1912609 in wpa (Ubuntu Hirsute) "mac80211_hwsim: hostapd fails to start with S1G band" [Undecided,New]

 14:48 <seb128> you can assign that one to me, I did the recent wpa uploads I can handle reviewing that patch

 14:48 <Wimpress> Thanks Seb.

 14:48 <seb128> np!

 14:49 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiff/+bug/1908502

 14:49 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1908502 in tiff (Ubuntu Hirsute) "[MIR] libdeflate" [Undecided,Triaged]

 14:49 <oSoMoN> thanks seb128 for taking that one off my plate!

 14:49 <seb128> it's for me as well, sorry I forgot to do that when I reopened it

 14:50 <seb128> oSoMoN, np!

 14:50 <seb128> I'm changing assignee you can move to the next one

 14:50 <Wimpress> Assigned to you Seb.

 14:50 <Wimpress> ty

 14:51 <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:51 <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:52 <Wimpress> Anything of concern in that ^

 14:52 <seb128> someone should probably check on qpdf vs pikepdf

 14:52 <seb128> tkamppeter, ^ would you maybe try to check if you can see what's the issue there since it's blocking cups-filters?

 14:53 <seb128> network-manager vs systemd I will follow up with foundations

 14:53 <Laney> what's happening with bluez, any update there?

 14:53 <Laney> I have a feeling we might end up in release week with that still blocked

 14:53 <Wimpress> waveform: ^

 14:54 <Laney> merci

 14:54 <seb128> Laney, I've been sending regular emails, Dave replied a week ago that he sent the patch upstream for review now, I asked the url or reference but he didn't get back to me yet

 14:54 <seb128> but yeah, it's taking forever to unblock :-/

 14:54 <Laney> cool, thanks for keeping on that!

 14:54 <seb128> np!

 14:55 <seb128> other things are new or flaky, I don't think there is value to discuss more here now

 14:55 <Wimpress> OK

 14:55 <Wimpress> #topic AOB

 14:55 <Wimpress> Anything else anyone wants to discuss?

 14:56 <seb128> we should get moving with changes we want to do this cycle, e.g wayland by default

 14:56 <seb128> but we probably don't have the right venue and people now to discuss that

 14:56 <Wimpress> I was just writing something similar.

 14:57 <Wimpress> We've discussed displays servers as a team.

 14:57 <seb128> well, Daniel seemed to give his +1

 14:57 <Wimpress> I think this is the right time/cycle to make the switch and test the waters.

 14:57 <seb128> resources available to do the changes is a struggle though

 14:57 <kenvandine> yeah, but i think we have to do it

 14:58 <Wimpress> If not this cycle, then planned for in the 21.10 cycle.

 14:58 <seb128> I think we should do it this cycle and sooner rather than later

 14:58 <oSoMoN> I agree

 14:58 <seb128> we just need to get people stepped out of what they are doing for some days

 14:58 <kenvandine> yeah, if we wait until 21.10 then we don't have time to address issues

 14:58 <seb128> I will try to get that going

 14:58 <Wimpress> If we can squeeze than it, I think it would be good.

 14:59 <seb128> we basically needs marcustomlinson and kenvandine to deal with their pipewire items and probably Trevinho to help them getting things uploaded

 14:59 <Wimpress> Anything more to add?

 14:59 <Wimpress> Not just Wayland related.

 14:59 <seb128> Laney, would be nice if could help switching the default session when we are ready

 14:59 <seb128> not from me

 15:00 <Trevinho> yeah, let me know if you want me to help, should not be much other than merge more with debian

 15:00 <Wimpress> Is there any knock on impact for the Yaru team?

 15:01 <Wimpress> They have some custom sessions. I've not look to see if Wayland is a factor for those.

 15:01 <seb128> wayland? no

 15:01 <Laney> ok, that bit should be easy, it's just a ubuntu patch in gdm I think

 15:01 <Trevinho> yeah, no problem for them

 15:01 <didrocks999> Laney: right

 15:01 <Wimpress> Great.

 15:02 <Wimpress> Any other topics?

 15:02 <didrocks> however, we need to ensure everyone in the team is using hirsute day-to-day please, don’t stay on the LTS or groovy to have a definitive opinion :)

 15:02 <Wimpress> Good point.

 15:02 <Wimpress> Champagne drinking everyone :-)

 15:02 * Laney eyes the OSX users ;-)

 15:03 <Wimpress> Are you looking in a mirror?

 15:03 <seb128> (unless you are on nvidia but from how little that get tested before release I don't think we team members using that on their main session)

 15:03 <Wimpress> I am.

 15:03 <seb128> +have

 15:03 <didrocks> I do, I have nvidia (and reported many bugs (ignored :p)

 15:03 <Laney> NO NO NO

 15:03 <Laney> I do, the problem is we're not reinstalling it

 15:03 <didrocks> right, that as well

 15:04 <seb128> ah ok

 15:04 <Wimpress> I can test actual hardware installs.

 15:04 <seb128> sorry for sidetracking with that inacurate comment

 15:04 <Wimpress> Right, are we done?

 15:05 <seb128> my point was that if I understood correctly, if you are on nvidia you will probably be sent to xorg anyway

 15:05 <seb128> I think so

 15:05 <Laney> yes

 15:05 <Wimpress> Yes.

 15:05 <didrocks> yeah, it’s a way to test the fallback at least

 15:06 <Wimpress> Anymore for anymore?

 15:06 <didrocks> nope!

 15:06 <Wimpress> OK. Thanks everyone.

 15:06 <Wimpress> #endmeeting



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