== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04, 04 Aug at 13:30 — 13:42 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-08-04-13.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bug ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-bug" started at 13:31.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (35)
 * Laney (16)
 * kenvandine (11)
 * hellsworth (10)
 * oSoMoN (5)
 * meetingology (3)
 * marcustomlinson (2)
 * ubot5 (1)
 * Trevinho (1)
 * mertgor (1)
 * jibel (1)



== Full Log ==


 13:30 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-08-04

 13:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 13:30:38 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 13:30 <meetingology> 

 13:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 13:30 <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks (out), duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney , marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 13:31 <oSoMoN> o/

 13:31 <kenvandine> o/

 13:31 <hellsworth> o/

 13:31 <marcustomlinson> \o

 13:31 <jibel> \o

 13:31 <Trevinho> o//

 13:31 <seb128> quite a reactive audiance today :-)

 13:31 <seb128> let's get started then!

 13:31 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug

 13:31 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:32 <seb128> some libreoffice ones on the list today

 13:32 <seb128> bug #1888504

 13:32 <ubot5> bug 1888504 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Two-finger touchpad scroll broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1888504

 13:32 <hellsworth> right so looks like a real problem.. haven't reproduced. do yall think it's work a deeper look?

 13:33 <oSoMoN> is this an upstream bug, or ubuntu-specific?

 13:33 <seb128> while better touch support would be desirable I don't think that would quality as a rls issue

 13:33 <seb128> we know the touch screen experience is suboptimal, that includes the desktop itself and apps

 13:33 <kenvandine> not touch screen

 13:33 <kenvandine> touchpad

 13:33 <hellsworth> it seems to only affect one person but not sure if ubuntu-specific

 13:33 <seb128> oh

 13:33 <seb128> kenvandine, thanks

 13:34 <seb128> I didn't even know that 2 fingers scrolling to left of right was a thing on a touchpad :p

 13:34 <hellsworth> well it was filed with the touchpad

 13:34 <hellsworth> oh right that's what ken said

 13:34 <seb128> right, I parsed that wrongly

 13:34 <mertgor> Today is my first day so i'll keep listening only

 13:34 <seb128> mertgor, welcome and not problem!

 13:35 <seb128> k, anyway it's a one report and there is other way to scroll

 13:35 <seb128> I vote -1 for nomination

 13:35 <kenvandine> agreed

 13:35 <oSoMoN> yup

 13:35 <Laney> lol

 13:35 <Laney> I don't like the second half of that

 13:35 <Laney> the other ways to scroll are way worse if touchpad is broken

 13:36 <Laney> if we applied that elsewhere it would S U C K

 13:36 <oSoMoN> hellsworth, I'd ask the reporter if they can reproduce with an upstream build, to triage the bug properly

 13:36 <hellsworth> ok good idea oSoMoN thanks

 13:37 <seb128> Laney, second half of what?

 13:37 * seb128 lost context

 13:37 <Laney> your reason for declining the nomination

 13:37 <seb128> sorry, I'm not a touchpad user, ignore my opinion

 13:37 <Laney> ok

 13:38 <Laney> yes you can go click the little arrow or use the scroll bar

 13:38 <seb128> or the keyboard

 13:38 <seb128> arrows

 13:38 <Laney> but if it's true that touchpad scrolling is broken that would be quite major

 13:38 <kenvandine> should be easy to try to reproduce

 13:38 <kenvandine> just need a laptop

 13:38 <Laney> so I would disagree strongly with "there are other ways" being a good rationale

 13:38 <seb128> k, let's start fresh then

 13:38 <Laney> not saying if it is true or not in this case

 13:38 <seb128> do we believe it's specific to libreoffice or a touchpad problem?

 13:39 <hellsworth> unknown

 13:39 <kenvandine> the reporter said other apps behave as expected

 13:39 <seb128> also I'm not on bionic to test atm

 13:39 <kenvandine> including libreoffice writer

 13:39 <kenvandine> just calc and draw had problems

 13:40 <hellsworth> how bout i go off and investigate it a bit then

 13:40 <seb128> I feel like we are wasting time bikesheeding there

 13:40 <Laney> :/

 13:40 <seb128> if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now

 13:40 <oSoMoN> I think it needs further triaging before we can determine whether it's rls material

 13:40 <seb128> or if that was an issue lot users cared about

 13:40 <Laney> misunderstanding my point

 13:40 <Laney> whatever

 13:40 <Laney> carry on

 13:40 <hellsworth> ok then can we leave the tag and revisit next week? or later in the week?

 13:40 <seb128> well, my rational is that if we didn't hear from it in 2 years then it's probably not a rls issue

 13:40 <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: figure out if this is upstream or not first

 13:41 <kenvandine> two figure scroll is working on focal

 13:41 <kenvandine> in calc, i just verified

 13:41 <hellsworth> ok thanks. i'll go see if it's in upstream on a bionic vm

 13:41 <seb128> k, so let me do my vote again, hopefully we don't do any other bikeshedding on the rational (or maybe I should just note give a rational and a -1 if that helps?)

 13:42 <seb128> -1, if touchpad support was broken in bionic we would know by now

 13:42 <Laney> stop calling it bikeshedding

 13:42 <Laney> that is rude

 13:42 <seb128> shrug

 13:42 <seb128> langs now

 13:42 <seb128> I think I stop there and let someone else handle that meeting

 13:42 <seb128> #endmeeting



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