== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-04-14, 14 Apr at 13:30 — 14:21 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-04-14-13.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bug ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-bug" started at 13:32.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ee-bug ===
The discussion about "rls-ee-bug" started at 13:33.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ff-bug ===
The discussion about "rls-ff-bug" started at 13:33.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===
The discussion about "update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages" started at 14:05.

  * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 14:11.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (119)
 * hellsworth (19)
 * ubot5 (13)
 * kenvandine (12)
 * didrocks (11)
 * Laney (9)
 * GunnarHj (8)
 * oSoMoN (8)
 * Trevinho (5)
 * meetingology (3)
 * jibel (2)
 * RikMills (2)
 * callmepk (1)
 * marcustomlinson (1)



== Full Log ==


 13:30 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-04-14

 13:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 14 13:30:55 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 13:30 <meetingology> 

 13:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 13:31 <didrocks> hey

 13:31 <jibel> hola

 13:31 <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out), callmepk

 13:31 <marcustomlinson> \o

 13:31 <hellsworth> o/

 13:31 <oSoMoN> 🐰/

 13:31 <callmepk> o/

 13:31 <kenvandine> \o

 13:31 <seb128> I hope everyone had a good Easter w.e!

 13:31 <seb128> let's get started

 13:32 <GunnarHj> O/ (I have an AOB thing.)

 13:32 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug

 13:32 <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, stick around for a bit then :)

 13:32 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:32 <seb128> desktop free

 13:32 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 13:32 <seb128> no unassigned one

 13:33 <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bug

 13:33 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:33 <seb128> desktop free

 13:33 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 13:33 <seb128> no unassigned there either, nice

 13:33 <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug

 13:33 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:34 <seb128> let's do that :p

 13:34 <seb128> bug #1745345

 13:34 <ubot5> bug 1745345 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg assert failure: Xorg: /usr/include/xorg/privates.h:122: dixGetPrivateAddr: Assertion `key->initialized' failed." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745345

 13:34 <hellsworth> are we identifying what we can get done before the freeze?

 13:35 <hellsworth> or still picking the ones we want to be in by ff release?

 13:35 <seb128> the later one

 13:35 <seb128> if things don't make it to release they will be SRUed

 13:35 <seb128> same as we still review bb and ee lists

 13:36 <hellsworth> yep ok thanks

 13:36 <seb128> that xorg one seems not new, comment #48 point to fixes that landed

 13:36 <seb128> I don't think it has enough data to be nominate for rls-ff atm, I vote -1

 13:36 <hellsworth> yep so -1

 13:36 <jibel> yeah -1 and re-verifying it ATM

 13:36 <seb128> thanks jibel

 13:37 <seb128> bug #1862553

 13:37 <ubot5> bug 1862553 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in cc_panel_get_title_widget()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862553

 13:37 <seb128> I tagged this one, from the description it happens when trying to enable livepatch

 13:37 <seb128> we want to feature livepatch so it sucks when that experience is buggy

 13:37 <seb128> also it has some duplicates

 13:37 <seb128> I do vote +1 in case it's not obvious :p

 13:38 <hellsworth> +1

 13:38 <oSoMoN> +1

 13:38 <didrocks> yeah, a good test case. +1

 13:39 <seb128> kenvandine, do you think Robert can take on this one?

 13:39 <kenvandine> seb128: sure

 13:39 <seb128> thx

 13:39 <seb128> (I'm skipping the assigned one that we fail to untag/target previous week)

 13:40 <seb128> bug #1869571

 13:40 <ubot5> bug 1869571 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Vertical dual monitor setup with main monitor on bottom causes overview to only use one eigth of screen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1869571

 13:40 <oSoMoN> kenvandine, if the problem happens to be in the livepatch integration in software-properties, I can look into that

 13:40 <kenvandine> oSoMoN: ok

 13:40 <seb128> oSoMoN, kenvandine, I think it's a bug in the online account panel in g-c-c, we had a similar one in the past than andyrock fixed

 13:41 <seb128> I emailed Robert asking for input and pointing to the old patch/commit, let's see

 13:41 <seb128> so

 13:41 <hellsworth> +1 on the dual monitor one

 13:41 <seb128> I don't know how common are vertical stacking of monitors

 13:41 <seb128> but it has already 8 users subscribed and some duplicates

 13:42 <hellsworth> +1 but low priority?

 13:42 <seb128> it's pretty annoying visually and not obvious what the issue is

 13:42 <seb128> I vote +1

 13:42 <seb128> medium probably

 13:42 <didrocks> sounds about right

 13:43 <seb128> thx

 13:44 <seb128> (I need to clean out the list, quite some items from previous week that got acted on but not removed from the list)

 13:44 <seb128> bug #1872103

 13:44 <ubot5> bug 1872103 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) " After update to 6.4.2.2: Split database only accessible while running in Safe Mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1872103

 13:44 <seb128> that's a report about 18.04 + ppa

 13:44 <seb128> does it happen in focal proper?

 13:45 <hellsworth> ok so this one i haven't tried to reproduce. need to setup a database on a separate system so didn't spend the time yet

 13:45 <Trevinho> yeah, I untagged some of them

 13:45 <seb128> I don't really understand the impact but it doesn't look rls material at this point to me?

 13:45 <oSoMoN> yeah, that would be the first thing to find out

 13:45 <seb128> k, let's untag for now, please tag it back if it turns out to be an issue on focal and you believe it's important enough to be rls tracked

 13:46 <oSoMoN> if it does impact focal and is a regression I would say it's rls material

 13:46 <hellsworth> ok

 13:46 <seb128> bug #1868666

 13:47 <ubot5> bug 1868666 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashes when resuming from lock screen [st_widget_remove_accessible_state: assertion 'ST_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed]" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1868666

 13:47 <seb128> it's incomplete an another leftover it looks like

 13:47 <didrocks> I got some hang yesterday, not a crash though, same thing in the journal

 13:47 <seb128> tagging notifxing

 13:47 <didrocks> unsure if this is the same trigger though

 13:48 <seb128> didrocks, might be worth reporting with the journal snippet?

 13:48 <seb128> bug #1867763

 13:48 <ubot5> bug 1867763 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT: assertion failure in st_bin_destroy: assertion failed: (priv->child == NULL)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1867763

 13:48 <didrocks> seb128: could do, unfortunately killing it didn’t create a core dump that could be retraced to attach :/

 13:49 <didrocks> (then the experience is horrible: you log back from gdm in the session and the Shell drops you again in lockscreen immediately)

 13:49 <hellsworth> +1 on the sigabrt one

 13:49 <hellsworth> didrocks: i saw that yesterday in a vm too. i have only seen it in a vm though

 13:49 <seb128> it's easy to trigger here

 13:49 <didrocks> hellsworth: real metal here :)

 13:49 <didrocks> sounds like the sigarbrt has some dups, so yeah +1

 13:49 <seb128> in fact already assigned to Daniel but on one component only

 13:49 <hellsworth> interesting..

 13:49 <seb128> I will tide it up also

 13:50 <seb128> thx

 13:50 <hellsworth> didrocks: oh sorry, i saw the issue you mentioned about being dropped back to the login screen. i've only seen that on a vm.

 13:51 <seb128> bug #1870627

 13:51 <ubot5> bug 1870627 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Cannot change symbols in charts in LibreOffice Calc 6.4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1870627

 13:51 <hellsworth> yeah that happens but only on kubuntu

 13:52 <seb128> missing recommends/depends?

 13:52 <hellsworth> i can check that

 13:52 <seb128> also the submitter mentions he reported it upstream, would be nice to get the reference

 13:52 <hellsworth> i looked upstream for a bug and couldn't find one. i'll ask him for a link

 13:52 <seb128> I would vote -1, would be nice to fix in a SRU/in the next upload, but if it's not happening in Ubuntu and only a graphical preference I don't think it's rls

 13:53 <hellsworth> sgtm

 13:54 <seb128> bug #1870736

 13:54 <ubot5> bug 1870736 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Screen scaling 125% gives 200% (nvidia)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1870736

 13:55 <seb128> Trevinho, any idea what's going on there?

 13:55 <Trevinho> seb128 I think is just the driver not handling xrandr properly

 13:55 <seb128> Trevinho, ok, so not on our side?

 13:56 <seb128> any way to confirm that easily?

 13:56 <Trevinho> I don't think so, I mean all the other drivers are working fine

 13:56 <Trevinho> I'm quite sure something broke at nvidia level there

 13:56 <seb128> do you have any xrand command line that could be used to test if that's actually an xrand problem?

 13:56 <seb128> if so could you comment that on the bug?

 13:56 <Trevinho> yeah, I will write in the bug

 13:57 <seb128> thanks

 13:57 <seb128> bug #1871351

 13:57 <ubot5> bug 1871351 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Review the vino/screen sharing situation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1871351

 13:57 <seb128> I will take this one, but I patched g-s-d to restore vino's service handling so that's probably good enough for release at this point

 13:58 <seb128> bug #1871644

 13:58 <ubot5> bug 1871644 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Top corners of Firefox windows have weird black protrusions from the rounded edges" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1871644

 13:58 <oSoMoN> that's a known upstream bug

 13:58 <oSoMoN> and affects only wayland

 13:58 <seb128> doesn't seem rls material to me

 13:59 <oSoMoN> yep, -1 from me too

 13:59 <hellsworth> -1

 14:00 <seb128> that's it for incoming I think

 14:00 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:01 <seb128> bug #1791405

 14:01 <ubot5> bug 1791405 in bluez (Ubuntu Focal) "bluetooth always in discoverable mode (security issue)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1791405

 14:01 <seb128> unsure why Daniel edited this one and why it targets focal, I will just drop the target

 14:02 <didrocks> yeah, bluez task should be removed, no?

 14:03 <seb128> maybe, I think there is still a potential problem/fix to be done in the bluez side

 14:03 <seb128> which gnome-bluetooth workarounded/fixes in the GNOME case

 14:03 <seb128> I'm not wanting to enter a bug status fight with Daniel over it :p

 14:03 <Laney> assign him then ;-)

 14:03 <didrocks> :)

 14:03 <seb128> haha

 14:04 <seb128> anyway, untargetted for now with a comment

 14:04 <seb128> the second one is assigned to me, just not on the g-c-c component, will fix

 14:04 <seb128> bug #1867908

 14:04 <ubot5> bug 1867908 in wpa (Ubuntu Focal) "Fix RTM NEW/DELLINK IFLA_IFNAME copy for maximum ifname length" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1867908

 14:04 <seb128> leftover I think, I said I would upload and forget, will do that

 14:05 <seb128> and that's it for bugs

 14:05 <seb128> sorry that some noise was left on the list, we will do better next week, I will tide things up after the meeting

 14:05 <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:05 <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:06 <seb128> kenvandine, snapd-glib 1.57 fails to build on armhf, that's also blocking gnome-software, I expected to see Robert follow up on that after upload but that's stuck for some time now, do you know what's the status?

 14:07 <seb128> remmina is blocked by riscv but wgrant said earlier than he expect the libsecret stack to be good by eod so probably fine

 14:07 <seb128> pango is waiting for tests to be completed

 14:07 <seb128> and hplip is another riscv one

 14:07 <kenvandine> seb128: i don't know

 14:08 <Laney> we shouldn't have things blocked like that by riscv64

 14:08 <seb128> kenvandine, can you check with him?

 14:08 <kenvandine> yup

 14:08 <Laney> we attempted to set the setting in proposed-migration to fix that but it didn't work

 14:08 <seb128> :(

 14:08 <Laney> if anyone has some time to read its code and work out why not that would be very helpful

 14:08 <seb128> do you have a pointer to the code/where to start?

 14:08 <seb128> in case someone is wanting to try to dive in

 14:09 <Laney> well, is anyone?

 14:09 <seb128> I've a feeling everyone is busy and that's probably a no :-/

 14:09 <Laney> look in https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/tree/britney.py and work out why, if the arch is in break_arches, you would still get that excuse output

 14:09 <Laney> right

 14:10 <Laney> "would anyone like to look at XXX" doesn't really work

 14:10 * Laney shouldn't have asked it in that way, sorry

 14:10 <seb128> I will try to have a look, who knows, fresh eyes or luck maybe :p

 14:11 <seb128> ok, that's it for that section

 14:11 <seb128> #topic AOB

 14:11 <seb128> GunnarHj, you are up :)

 14:11 <GunnarHj> Thanks..

 14:11 <RikMills> seb128: ok, proposed my ubiquity merge

 14:11 <GunnarHj> Bug #1867548 is still open. I talked with Robert this morning, and he asked (on the upstream issue) for input from Bastien, who wrote the code, and whose only reaction was that he doesn't use the feature (aka doesn't want to spend more work on it).

 14:11 <GunnarHj> My suggestion on the matter is in comment #7 on the Ubuntu bug. The feature is new and of moderate importance, but the bug is bad, which I think justifies my proposal to drop the feature for now.

 14:11 <GunnarHj> Possibly Robert will fix it before final freeze, so this is to prepare the team for the case he doesn't.

 14:11 <ubot5> bug 1867548 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Focal) "Right Alt key is suddenly switched off after invoking Settings - Keyboard Shortcuts in Focal" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1867548

 14:14 <seb128> GunnarHj, I emailed Robert about that one and the dynamic layout yesterday and he said he would have a look

 14:14 * RikMills notices meeting. shuts up

 14:14 <GunnarHj> seb128: He said that to me to, but also that he isn't familiar with that part of g-c-c.

 14:15 <seb128> GunnarHj, it has only one duplicate and 2 affected users so while it would be good to fix I'm also not convinced it's our top priority atm, can be a SRU

 14:16 <GunnarHj> seb128: It affect quite a few users - those who use "English (US)", "Russian", "Chinese"... Not sure that the numbers of affected users in the dev cycle is a good measure...

 14:17 <seb128> GunnarHj, so there is no 'Alternate Characters Key' defined by default?

 14:17 <seb128> and it got set the first time you open the settings?

 14:18 <seb128> I don't even understand what 'alternate characters key' is...

 14:18 <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't think we need to hold the team/meeting on that, let's keep discussing after wrapping

 14:18 <seb128> 

 14:18 <GunnarHj> seb128: Not as dconf setting. For those who use kb layouts with 3:rd level symbols it's defined via the layout. Yes, it's set behind the scenes once you open the Keyboard panel.

 14:18 <seb128> any other topic?

 14:19 <kenvandine> RC week, yay!

 14:19 <kenvandine> that is all from me :)

 14:20 <seb128> indeed :p

 14:20 <seb128> time to look at your assigneed rls bugs and do something about those!

 14:21 <seb128> Wimpress, we could use that weekly discourse post that usually goes out on monday :)

 14:21 <kenvandine> seb128: the snap-store branch is now the 3.36 base

 14:21 <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!

 14:21 <kenvandine> Tuesday, it's the new Monday

 14:21 <kenvandine> :)

 14:21 <kenvandine> at least this week

 14:21 <seb128> hehe

 14:21 <seb128> indeed

 14:21 <kenvandine> it was really quiet yesterday

 14:21 <seb128> ok, let's wrap on that note :)

 14:21 <seb128> thanks team!

 14:21 <seb128> #endmeeting



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