== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-01-28, 28 Jan at 14:30 — 14:52 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-01-28-14.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-bugs" started at 14:31.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ee-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ee-bugs" started at 14:33.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ff-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ff-bugs" started at 14:34.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===
The discussion about "update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages" started at 14:40.

  * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 14:44.

  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1838038 
  * ''LINK:'' https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/chromium-does-not-work-with-local-mdns-avahi-name-resolution 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (68)
 * tkamppeter (13)
 * kenvandine (9)
 * hellsworth (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * tjaalton (3)
 * diddledan (2)
 * ubot5 (2)
 * oSoMoN (2)
 * didrocks (1)
 * Trevinho (1)
 * marcustomlinson (1)
 * jibel (1)



== Full Log ==


 14:30 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-01-28

 14:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 28 14:30:11 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:30 <meetingology> 

 14:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:30 <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney (out), marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 14:30 <didrocks> hey

 14:30 <jibel> hola

 14:30 <hellsworth> o/

 14:31 <Trevinho> o/

 14:31 <marcustomlinson> \o

 14:31 <diddledan> seeing as I'm here, I'll lurk interloper-style :-p

 14:31 <oSoMoN> 🤧/

 14:31 <kenvandine> o/

 14:31 <kenvandine> hey diddledan

 14:31 <diddledan> \o/

 14:31 <seb128> nice, let's got started

 14:31 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bugs

 14:32 <seb128> (proper order is back this week :p)

 14:32 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:32 <seb128> no desktop entry

 14:33 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:33 <seb128> only the nm ones we still didn't sort out

 14:33 <seb128> #topic rls-ee-bugs

 14:33 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:33 <seb128> no desktop entry

 14:34 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:34 <seb128> nm only

 14:34 <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bugs

 14:34 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:34 <seb128> bug #1857815

 14:34 <ubot5> bug 1857815 in cups-filters (Ubuntu) "cups-browsed assert failure: corrupted double-linked list" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1857815

 14:34 <seb128> that's assigned to tkamppeter

 14:34 <seb128> I need to try if .27 maybe fixes it?

 14:35 <tkamppeter> Tried to reproduce on a clean FF VM, but I had 1.26.2 and all the reporter 1.26.0 or 1.26.1.

 14:36 <tkamppeter> Perhaps 1.26.2 already solved it and therefore I cannot reproduce it.

 14:36 <tkamppeter> None of 1.26.2 or 1.27.0 has an explicit fix, only some improvements in general stability against crashes.

 14:36 <seb128> tkamppeter, yeah, from the report it looks like .1 has it but .2 not

 14:37 <seb128> so let's see if reports stop, I will try with the update and close if it is resolved

 14:37 <seb128> thx tkamppeter

 14:37 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:37 <seb128> n-m unassigned and that's it

 14:37 <seb128> ok, easy for bugs today

 14:37 <hellsworth> champagne bugs?

 14:38 <seb128> good point

 14:38 <seb128> I'm currently unconvinced that we figured out the proper way to deal with that

 14:38 <seb128> I looked at the list yesterday and it's mostly hardware enablement, server, linux issue

 14:39 <seb128> I will skip for today and  chat with Martin, we can talk about it again next week if that's ok for everyone?

 14:39 <hellsworth> it would be useful to filter out the desktop bugs, similar to rls-ff-tracking does

 14:39 <hellsworth> sounds good to me

 14:39 <seb128> yes, but then I would suggest we just use the existing tag...

 14:40 <seb128> but yeah, details to be figured out, I don't think we can resolve that here/today without Martin though

 14:40 <seb128> next

 14:40 <oSoMoN> +1 to defer to next week

 14:40 <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:40 <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:40 <seb128> k, so that's a long/noisy list atm

 14:40 <seb128> mostly d_oko piling transitions

 14:41 <seb128> so I think we need to wait for things to settle down to have some visibily on real problems vs transition noise

 14:41 <seb128> some real ones we could/should look though

 14:41 <seb128> tjaalton, can you bump the priority to get mesa sorted out? we can't just let it sit there forever

 14:42 <seb128> it needs someone (you probalby) to figure out what make software rendering buggy on s390x

 14:42 <seb128> also some libsdl build issues on armhf/i386?

 14:42 <seb128> 

 14:42 <tjaalton> seb128: i've reproduced it on debian porterbox

 14:42 <tjaalton> next would be to try the same on git master

 14:42 <seb128> good first step I guess?

 14:42 <seb128> thx for looking at it!

 14:42 <tjaalton> so I'll push that to experimental

 14:43 <seb128> thx

 14:43 <seb128> network-manager I'm looking at that one

 14:43 <seb128> the rest is python changes ongoing, tiff transition and new items that didn't settle down yet

 14:44 <seb128> so I think that's it for now on that section

 14:44 <seb128> #topic AOB

 14:44 <seb128> any other topic?

 14:44 <tkamppeter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1838038

 14:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1838038 in snapd "[snap] Snapped apps do not work with .local mdns/avahi name resolution" [Medium,Triaged]

 14:44 <tkamppeter> This bug is a big problem for snaps.

 14:44 <seb128> kenvandine, ^

 14:44 <tkamppeter> In a snap .local host names are not resolved.

 14:45 <tkamppeter> Not only for LibreOffice but also for my CUPS snap.

 14:45 <kenvandine> yeah

 14:45 <kenvandine> there is a post about that on the forum

 14:45 <tkamppeter> See my comments at the end.

 14:45 <seb128> thx tkamppeter

 14:45 <tkamppeter> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/chromium-does-not-work-with-local-mdns-avahi-name-resolution

 14:45 <tkamppeter> This one.

 14:46 <seb128> right

 14:46 <seb128> thx tkamppeter for raising that one up

 14:47 <seb128> kenvandine, might be worth a trello card if we belive it's important, so we don't loose it?

 14:47 <kenvandine> sounds like something that needs to happen on the host?

 14:47 <tkamppeter> s/LibreOffice/chromium/

 14:48 <tkamppeter> Seems so, as a workaround is installing nscd or unscd on the host.

 14:48 <seb128> we want a proper solution

 14:49 <tkamppeter> yes

 14:49 <seb128> kenvandine, james suggested 'adjusting the network plug to grant access to /var/run/avahi-daemon/socket).' on the forum discussion

 14:49 <kenvandine> i saw that

 14:49 <seb128> probably something to talk to jamie/the snap team about?

 14:49 <seb128> anyway, not to resolve now

 14:49 <kenvandine> but there was also installing nscd on the host

 14:49 <seb128> I feel like it's worth a card in the backlog maybe, but it's your trello board so your decision :)

 14:49 <kenvandine> yeah

 14:49 <kenvandine> i'll add it

 14:50 <seb128> thx

 14:50 <seb128> I don't think we are going to resolve it now so not much point to argue the details

 14:50 <seb128> it's unclear to me if nss-mdns is enough or if nscd is needed

 14:51 <seb128> maybe a topic to discuss in frankfurt

 14:51 <seb128> anyway

 14:51 <seb128> other topics?

 14:52 <seb128> seems not, that's a wrap then, thanks everyone!

 14:52 <seb128> #endmeeting



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