== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-12-10, 10 Dec at 14:31 — 15:15 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-12-10-14.31.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-bugs" started at 14:33.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-dd-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-dd-bugs" started at 14:38.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ee-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ee-bugs" started at 14:46.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1855593 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1845801 

=== rls-ff-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ff-bugs" started at 14:56.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===
The discussion about "update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages" started at 14:58.

  * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 
  * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-December/040859.html 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:11.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * Wimpress (58)
 * seb128 (44)
 * oSoMoN (10)
 * hellsworth (10)
 * Laney (9)
 * marcustomlinson (3)
 * didrocks (3)
 * meetingology (3)
 * ubot5 (2)
 * kenvandine (2)



== Full Log ==


 14:31 <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-12-10

 14:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 10 14:31:26 2019 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:31 <meetingology> 

 14:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:31 <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancel

 14:31 <marcustomlinson> \o

 14:31 <hellsworth> o/

 14:31 <kenvandine> o/

 14:32 <oSoMoN> 🐵/

 14:32 <seb128> _o/

 14:32 <Wimpress> Well, shall we make a start?

 14:33 <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs

 14:33 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:34 <Wimpress> Nothing for desktop there.

 14:34 <Wimpress> Nothing in unknown we should I own IMO.

 14:35 <seb128> +1

 14:35 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:36 <Wimpress> Everything in desktop is assigned.

 14:37 <Wimpress> Quick scan of unknown doesn't appear to have anything we should own.

 14:38 <Wimpress> Move on to dd?

 14:38 <Wimpress> #topic rls-dd-bugs

 14:38 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:38 <Wimpress> Nothing for desktop in there.

 14:38 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:39 <Wimpress> desktop-packages bugs are assigned.

 14:39 <hellsworth> but #1733321

 14:40 <Wimpress> hellsworth: Well spotted. I missed that.

 14:40 <hellsworth> wow it's 2 years old

 14:41 <Wimpress> Yep, just reading...

 14:41 <seb128> I don't think it's rls material

 14:41 <seb128> but it has a workaround patch and might be worth reviewing

 14:41 <seb128> but that's rather for the sponsoring queue imho;..

 14:41 <Wimpress> Hmm, patch looks like a bodge.

 14:42 <Wimpress> `sleep 2`

 14:44 <Wimpress> seb128: You want it in the sponsoring queue?

 14:44 <seb128> Wimpress, well, it has a patch that didn't get reviewed, even if it's not correct 1- the contributor deserves a reply 2- it might give a clue of the issue and of a better fix

 14:45 <seb128> just need to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors for that

 14:45 <seb128> but in the meeting we usually focus on +1/-1 to rls nominate

 14:45 <Wimpress> I've subscribe ubuntu-sponsors

 14:45 <seb128> as I said I would -1, it's a flacky test, not an user facing problem

 14:45 <seb128> thx

 14:45 <oSoMoN> agreed, -1 for rls

 14:45 <Wimpress> Move on to ee?

 14:46 <seb128> +1

 14:46 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ee-bugs

 14:46 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:47 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1855593

 14:47 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1855593 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs:6:g_assertion_message:g_assertion_message_expr:file_tree_lookup:tracker_file_system_get_file:_insert_store_info" [Undecided,New]

 14:48 <seb128> Wimpress, that's a duplicate and I while it's a frequently reported issue I don't think we should rls target it

 14:48 <Wimpress> OK. I'll drop the tag.

 14:48 <seb128> it's also already being worked on upstream (I provided them a db from a system which has the issue, looks like it happens on corrupted sqlite dbs)

 14:50 <Wimpress> Left a comment on the bug.

 14:50 <Wimpress> So Brian knows why I removed the tag he placed.

 14:51 <Wimpress> Nothing in unknown that looks like it belongs to us.

 14:51 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:51 <Wimpress> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1845801

 14:52 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1845801 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "[nvidia] Automatic login fails and then all subsequent logins fail. Killing gnome-session-binary fixes it, or just not using automatic login." [Undecided,Confirmed]

 14:53 <Wimpress> Seems to be affecting a reasonable number of people.

 14:55 <seb128> tseliot was on it, we should check with him (but probably outside of the meeting, no need to make the meeting longer over that)

 14:55 <Wimpress> OK

 14:56 <Wimpress> Everything else looks in order for the desktop.

 14:56 <Wimpress> Time for focal?

 14:56 <seb128> \o/

 14:56 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs

 14:56 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:57 <Wimpress> Look good to me.

 14:57 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:58 <Wimpress> Looks in hand too.

 14:58 <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:58 <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 14:59 <Wimpress> That has grown.

 14:59 <Laney> Think seb128 is more on it than me atm

 14:59 <seb128> right

 15:00 <hellsworth> i can poke the security folks on libmail-dkim-perl today

 15:00 <hellsworth> seb128: is there anything on this list i can help with?

 15:00 <seb128> thx, that would be useful

 15:00 <seb128> I think the list is mostly i386 removal fallouts

 15:00 <seb128> which are being handled

 15:00 <hellsworth> oki

 15:01 <Wimpress> Suspiciously high number of build failures on armhf

 15:01 <seb128> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-December/040859.html

 15:01 <seb128> for those who didn't see that / want context

 15:01 <seb128> Wimpress, oh?

 15:01 <seb128> anyway, outside of i386

 15:01 <seb128> oSoMoN, I think we should consider badtest firefox/armhf

 15:01 <seb128> rather than keep retrying a long job with poor success

 15:01 <oSoMoN> yeah, agreed

 15:02 <oSoMoN> it's gotten worse lately

 15:02 <Wimpress> +1

 15:02 <Laney> what made it start failing and why wouldn't it be more appropriate to fix that?

 15:02 <seb128> can you mp a britney hint for it?

 15:02 <oSoMoN> Laney, I don't know what made it start failing, there's a bug open to investigate it but I haven't had time for it

 15:03 <seb128> Laney, we should fix it, but realistically armhf isn't high enough the priority list that I can see it fixes before holidays

 15:03 <seb128> so I suggest we skip that version instead of hammering retry which we currently do

 15:03 <seb128> I will card the task to properly fix it though

 15:03 <seb128> Laney, sounds an acceptable compromise?

 15:04 <seb128> otherwise cyrus-imapd needs to be fixed, but that's not especially us since it's universe

 15:05 <seb128> and I think that's it

 15:05 <didrocks> I think related to this, there are 2 MIRs that needs investigations (if needed), and if so, filed: xorg/xterm, libnotify/sugar (https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg)

 15:05 <seb128> hellsworth, thx for asking if you could help, but I think we should be good for this round (if you want to poke at cyrus-imapd feel free though)

 15:05 <Laney> I don't particularly suggest "hammering retry" is ever the right thing to do

 15:06 <Laney> if we don't care about a working firefox on armhf, stop building it

 15:06 <seb128> didrocks, thx

 15:06 <seb128> Laney, yeah, I was thinking about that, we should probably have that discussion

 15:06 <seb128> oSoMoN, ^

 15:06 <seb128> firefox on amd64 only

 15:06 <seb128> but not today :)

 15:07 <seb128> Wimpress, I think that's enough for that section of the meeting

 15:07 <oSoMoN> I would certainly welcome dropping architectures that almost no-one uses anyway

 15:07 <Laney> I don't think armhf (or arm64) falls into that category though, they are certainly used for desktop stuff

 15:07 <oSoMoN> the most obvious one being s390x, which we know builds but segfaults at startup

 15:07 <Laney> I'm certainly happy for an armhf build of firefox on my raspberry pi

 15:07 <Wimpress> I agree with Laney

 15:08 <marcustomlinson> yep

 15:08 <marcustomlinson> desktop != amd64

 15:08 <oSoMoN> yeah

 15:08 <kenvandine> s390 though... that should be a candidate to drop

 15:08 <seb128> well, but also n% of our capacity spent for 0.01% users...

 15:09 <seb128> but anyway

 15:09 <seb128> not a topic for here/now I think

 15:09 <oSoMoN> I'm not aware of reports that firefox doesn't work on armhf though, it seems it's just that one test when run in the autopkgtest infrastructure

 15:10 <Laney> we control what tests the package executes, and if it's not doing a good job of testing if firefox actually works then it could be altered to do so

 15:11 <Wimpress> Are we all done with that topic?

 15:11 <seb128> I think so

 15:11 <oSoMoN> Laney, let's continue the discussion just after the meeting

 15:11 <Wimpress> Good idea.

 15:11 <Laney> if the firefox in focal release is already broken then we could badtest this version I guess

 15:11 <Wimpress> #topic AOB

 15:12 <Laney> :( poor tests :(

 15:12 <Wimpress> ANyone have anything they want to discuss?

 15:13 <seb128> not me

 15:13 <Wimpress> me either

 15:13 <hellsworth> nothing from me

 15:13 <didrocks> nothing for me

 15:14 <Wimpress> OK.

 15:14 <Wimpress> Going in 3...

 15:14 <Wimpress> 2...

 15:14 <hellsworth> wow those are slow seconds..

 15:14 <hellsworth> :)

 15:14 <didrocks> big ones ;)

 15:14 <Wimpress> Country time ;-)

 15:14 <hellsworth> lol

 15:14 <Wimpress> 1...

 15:15 <Wimpress> #endmeeting



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