== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26, 26 Nov at 14:30 — 15:25 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-11-26-14.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== rls-bb-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-bugs" started at 14:31.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ee-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ee-bugs" started at 14:41.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== rls-ff-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-ff-bugs" started at 14:47.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1853112 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html 

=== update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages ===
The discussion about "update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages" started at 14:59.

  * ''LINK:'' https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+bug/1176083 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html#mir-team 
  * ''LINK:'' https://mir-server.io/ 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:08.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (96)
 * Wimpress (81)
 * Laney (57)
 * hellsworth (30)
 * didrocks (24)
 * kenvandine (8)
 * marcustomlinson (8)
 * oSoMoN (6)
 * Saviq (6)
 * ubot5 (5)
 * meetingology (3)
 * Trevinho (1)
 * jibel (1)



== Full Log ==


 14:30 <Wimpress> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2019-11-26

 14:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 26 14:30:03 2019 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:30 <meetingology> 

 14:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:30 <Wimpress> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter (out), trevinho, robert_ancell

 14:30 <seb128> _o/

 14:30 <kenvandine> \o

 14:30 <oSoMoN> hey there

 14:30 <marcustomlinson> o/

 14:30 <didrocks> hey

 14:30 <Wimpress> Hello team o/

 14:31 <jibel> \o

 14:31 <Wimpress> Right, let's push on

 14:31 <Wimpress> #topic rls-bb-bugs

 14:31 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:32 <Wimpress> Does look like any thing in there for us, right?

 14:32 <marcustomlinson> nope

 14:32 <Wimpress> *Does not

 14:32 <oSoMoN> nope

 14:32 <seb128> looks like not

 14:32 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:33 <hellsworth> here

 14:33 <Wimpress> Hi hellsworth :-)

 14:34 <Wimpress> Not seeing anything obvious unassisgned in the above.

 14:34 <hellsworth> 1852315 ?

 14:34 <seb128> Wimpress, I usually sort by assigneed for that section and look at anything which is "unassigned" and !fix-commited|!incomplete

 14:34 <Wimpress> Although, embarrsingly, MATE Desktop stuff.

 14:34 <hellsworth> it's unasigned and not fix committed

 14:35 <seb128> Wimpress, don't look to unknown section but to desktop one

 14:36 * seb128 encourage Wimpress, you can do it :)

 14:36 <Wimpress> tseliot_: What is the status of https://pad.lv/1852315

 14:36 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1852315 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-435 (Ubuntu Eoan) "CVE‑2019‑5696 5697 5698" [Undecided,New]

 14:36 <Wimpress> seb128: I'm looking at the desktop stuff now :-)

 14:37 <seb128> Wimpress, that one does look like it make sense, should just be assigned to tseliot_

 14:37 <seb128> so we can probably move to -dd bugs

 14:39 <Wimpress> OK. Everything else for Binonic looks good.

 14:39 <seb128> +1 :)

 14:39 <hellsworth> woot

 14:39 <Laney> yeh, looking at -tracking is really only to find ones that people directly nominated without going through the process

 14:39 <Wimpress> Skip dd completely seb128 or just look at bug tracking tasks?

 14:40 <Laney> all the rest will have been assigned already

 14:40 <hellsworth> why add it to dd and not ee or ff?

 14:40 <seb128> Wimpress, I looked at dd reports, nothing on incoming nor tracking so you can skip it

 14:41 <Wimpress> OK

 14:41 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ee-bugs

 14:41 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:41 <seb128> and yeah, usually bugs are also on new serie (but sometime not and users nominate only for the one they care about/use)

 14:41 <Wimpress> Looks to be in hand ^

 14:41 <seb128> +1

 14:41 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:42 <Laney> wait

 14:42 * Wimpress waits...

 14:42 <Laney> we still need to either nominate it and assign to Till, or tag that as notfixing to not track it

 14:42 <Laney> otherwise we'll see it in incoming next week

 14:43 <seb128> it's assigned

 14:43 <Laney> not nominated

 14:43 <seb128> I don't think it looks a rls issue at this point

 14:43 <seb128> right

 14:43 <Laney> then notfixing

 14:43 <seb128> I was typing :p

 14:43 <seb128> yeah, -1 from me

 14:43 <Laney> I'm just saying you need to do one or the other to get it off the list

 14:44 <seb128> right, I agree

 14:44 <Laney> no opinion on which

 14:44 <seb128> I hit enter too soon

 14:44 <seb128> read my 2 lines as one :p

 14:44 <seb128> sorry if that was confusing

 14:44 <seb128> so my vote is -notficing

 14:44 <seb128> fixing

 14:44 <seb128> others?

 14:45 <seb128> (only 129 reports total on 19.10 from the error tracker, which is low)

 14:45 <marcustomlinson> ±0

 14:45 <Laney> sounds ok to me, not sure Till acknowledged the assignment though so it might get missed

 14:45 <hellsworth> idk if this package is broken, we should fix it for ff since it would be a lts - or remove the package

 14:45 <hellsworth> so i would vote for fixing it

 14:46 <seb128> kenvandine, can you make sure tkamppeter saw it being filed/assigned to him?

 14:46 <kenvandine> yeah

 14:46 <seb128> thx

 14:46 <Wimpress> OK to move on to ff?

 14:47 <didrocks> yeah ;)

 14:47 <seb128> Wimpress, I think you have team input, so your call to either nominate for $series or to change to tag to rls-ee-notfixing

 14:47 <Wimpress> #topic rls-ff-bugs

 14:47 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:47 <seb128> Wimpress, ^ you need to do one of those actions on the previous bug

 14:48 <seb128> -notfixing doesn't mean we are not going to fix it, just that we don't accept it to be tracked as a release issue and will use the standard process

 14:48 <Wimpress> seb128: OK, what is the mechanism for doing that?

 14:48 <seb128> if you accept it you click "target to series" under the bugs table

 14:48 <seb128> and select the series you want to track it for

 14:49 <seb128> if you think it doesn't need special rls tracking, as said change the tag to rls-ee-notfixing

 14:49 <seb128> rls-ee-incoming -> rls-ee-notfixing

 14:50 <Wimpress> Which bug nuber are you referring to?

 14:50 <hellsworth> the till one

 14:51 <hellsworth> 1851918

 14:52 <Wimpress> OK, that should be updated accordingly.

 14:52 <kenvandine> hellsworth: i've pinged tkamppeter about that one

 14:52 <seb128> Wimpress, thx, we can move to ff then :)

 14:53 <Wimpress> OK.

 14:53 <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1853112

 14:53 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1853112 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Applications are closed when killing the Shell (like on a hang)" [Undecided,New]

 14:53 <seb128> I think it's worth nominating

 14:53 <seb128> and from this week summary, Laney started looking at it

 14:53 <Laney> sounds good, that can be assigned to me

 14:53 <Wimpress> OK

 14:53 <Laney> but I would be shocked if that bug wasn't a duplicate

 14:53 <didrocks> \o/

 14:54 <didrocks> Laney: I didn't find any other

 14:54 <Laney> ok

 14:54 <Wimpress> Laney wins a bug.

 14:54 <seb128> :-)

 14:54 <Wimpress> NOthing else there that isn't in hand already.

 14:54 <Wimpress> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 14:54 <seb128> the MIR one there needs to be nominated or tagged -notfixing

 14:55 <seb128> either would work, it's the MIR team queue

 14:56 <Wimpress> So, is libmail-authenticationresults-perl not in main right now?

 14:56 <hellsworth> correct

 14:56 <Wimpress> But on the 19.10 image?

 14:56 <seb128> no

 14:56 <seb128> it blocks a libmail-dkim-perl update in focal-proposed

 14:56 <Laney> that bug is assigned already

 14:56 <Laney> nomin8 it

 14:57 <Laney> imho

 14:57 <seb128> that works yes

 14:57 <Wimpress> I agree. What is the mechanism to nominate something?

 14:57 <hellsworth> i'm happy to keep on with this mir

 14:57 <Laney> target to series, focal, assign to hellsworth

 14:57 <Wimpress> It is nominated for ff.

 14:57 <Laney> delete the incoming tag

 14:58 <didrocks> Wimpress: it can't be on official image if not in main (technically speaking, it will be an iso build failure with "unknown package")

 14:58 <Wimpress> OK, should be correctly nominated for ff now.

 14:59 * marcustomlinson reads: It is nominated ffs.

 14:59 <Laney> cool

 14:59 <Wimpress> Move on to the next topic?

 14:59 <Laney> ff-tracking looks good, so yeah

 14:59 <seb128> +1

 14:59 <Wimpress> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 15:00 <Wimpress> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages

 15:00 <Laney> yeah

 15:01 <Laney> dunno what happened last week

 15:01 <Laney> did these get assigned?

 15:01 <marcustomlinson> there's a few of those that should be cleared out with the libreoffice upload I just did

 15:01 <seb128> Laney, I think everything in the list is being handled

 15:01 <seb128> half of it should unblock with libreoffice

 15:01 <Laney> ok

 15:02 <didrocks> (xorg-server waiting list is scary, probably autopkgtests running ;))

 15:02 <seb128> the other one are a MIR waiting review, librsvg which is being worked on and a few issue from Debian being discussed there

 15:02 <Wimpress> oSoMoN: Are you still fighting with librsvg?

 15:02 <oSoMoN> it's bug #1853657, I'll update to 2.46

 15:02 <ubot5> bug 1853657 in librsvg (Ubuntu) "librsvg 2.44.15 FTBFS in focal" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1853657

 15:02 <seb128> Laney, in fact I lied about one, libxml is blocked by postgresql-12 ... do you know if anyone is looking at that?

 15:03 <Laney> nope

 15:03 <seb128> it's not for out team though and I would expect it's being handled, unsure who to ping though

 15:03 <Laney> maybe need to check with server team

 15:03 * seb128 wants p_iti :)

 15:03 <Laney> probably in ubuntu-devel

 15:03 <seb128> +t

 15:03 <seb128> right

 15:03 <Laney> what is glm?

 15:03 <Laney> why do we own all this weird stuff ._.

 15:03 <Wimpress> GL maths library.

 15:04 <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+bug/1176083

 15:04 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1176083 in glm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] glm" [Undecided,Fix released]

 15:04 <didrocks> Robert! :)

 15:04 <didrocks> (Mir requirement)

 15:04 <seb128> Mirrrr

 15:05 <seb128> we should reassign that to Saviq

 15:05 <didrocks> yeah, I think that should be their team

 15:05 <Laney> are they a main owning team these days?

 15:05 <Laney> would be good if so

 15:05 <seb128> we should talk about that

 15:05 <Laney> looks like it

 15:05 * seb128 takes a note to discuss it in the manager meeting later

 15:05 <Laney> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html#mir-team

 15:06 <Wimpress> Seems reasonable.

 15:06 <Laney> so we can probably move that one after asking

 15:06 <Laney> \o/

 15:06 <didrocks> yep ;)

 15:06 <Laney> so I guess that's it

 15:06 <seb128> :-)

 15:06 <hellsworth> why does that mir-team not have libmail-authenticationresults-perl?

 15:06 <Wimpress> ANything else in there we need to assign or find another owner for?

 15:06 <seb128> Saviq, can you subscribe the mir team to glm?

 15:06 <Wimpress> Nicve try hellsworth ;-)

 15:07 <Laney> ha

 15:07 <hellsworth> im serious

 15:07 <didrocks> I suggest all -perl -> other teams ;)

 15:07 <hellsworth> isn't the mir team supposed to review the mirs?

 15:07 <Wimpress> +1 :-)

 15:07 <Laney> it's Mir not MIR

 15:07 <hellsworth> must be a newbie question

 15:07 <didrocks> ah yeah puzzling

 15:07 <Laney> as in ...

 15:07 <Wimpress> #namingthingsishard

 15:07 <hellsworth> mir as in the os?

 15:07 <didrocks> hellsworth: Mir is a display server, like xorg, not MIR (Main Inclusion Request)

 15:07 <Laney> https://mir-server.io/

 15:07 <hellsworth> right

 15:07 <Laney> that thing

 15:08 <oSoMoN> lucky there isn't a mIR team

 15:08 <hellsworth> ok that mir is the only mir i was aware of before joining the team :)

 15:08 <hellsworth> ok

 15:08 <hellsworth> two mirs

 15:08 <Wimpress> oSoMoN: Give it time.

 15:08 <Laney> still only two

 15:08 <didrocks> or a MiR or mIr or… :)

 15:08 <Laney> not as many as we've had autopilots

 15:08 <Wimpress> Time for AOB?

 15:08 <didrocks> Laney: heh ;)

 15:08 <didrocks> yeah, looks like time for AOB

 15:08 <Wimpress> #topic AOB

 15:08 <Wimpress> Anyone have anything else they want to discuss?

 15:09 <seb128> not from me

 15:09 <didrocks> anope

 15:09 <Trevinho> neither

 15:09 <oSoMoN> nothing here

 15:09 <Saviq> seb128: what am I doing again?

 15:09 <Wimpress> You just agree to own the glm package in main Saviq :-)

 15:10 <seb128> Saviq, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glm/+subscribe

 15:10 <seb128> Saviq, and subscribe the mir team, so the package mapping is showing the correct owner

 15:10 <seb128> since it seems the only reason it is in main is mir

 15:10 <Saviq> ETOOMANYTEAMS

 15:10 <seb128> indeed

 15:11 <seb128> the subscribe dialog could use filtering or keyboard completion

 15:11 <Saviq> seb128: but subscribed

 15:11 <seb128> Saviq, thx!

 15:11 <Saviq> ofc

 15:11 <Wimpress> Saviq: Thanks.

 15:11 <Laney> now, it's stuck in -proposed, go fix it :p

 15:11 <seb128> lol

 15:11 <didrocks> "btw…" ;)

 15:11 <Saviq> sneaky b…

 15:11 <seb128> Saviq, it's being handled in Debian don't worry

 15:11 <Wimpress> Well played team.

 15:12 <Laney> haha

 15:12 <Saviq> Wimpress: that's how you run them, eh?

 15:12 <Wimpress> :-)

 15:12 <Wimpress> I have an AOB topic, if noone else has anything.

 15:13 <Laney> dunno about don't worry, still good to keep an eye, no guarantees there

 15:13 <Laney> go

 15:13 <seb128> Saviq, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=940906 for reference, the autopkgtest got broken by the removal of the cmake file which looks like upstream is bringing back, so probably just wait for upstream/debian and it will automagically resolve

 15:13 <ubot5> Debian bug 940906 in src:glm "glm: autopkgtest regression: CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:6 (find_package):" [Important,Open]

 15:13 <seb128> but yeah, still keep an eye in case it needs some nagging

 15:13 <seb128> Wimpress, go!

 15:14 <Wimpress> Wanted to discuss the idea have this meeting at alternating times every other week.

 15:14 <seb128> what times?

 15:14 <Wimpress> Basically, so we can do this with the team members from down under.

 15:14 <Wimpress> I have given the time much thought yet.

 15:14 <seb128> we used to do that but 1am meeting wasn't really working

 15:15 <seb128> it cost to the team more than it's worth imho

 15:15 <Wimpress> Just wanted to see if it has been tried before or what you all think about the idea.

 15:15 <didrocks> that would mean early morning, without US but with NZ/AU?

 15:15 <didrocks> or just US/NZ/AU?

 15:15 <Laney> don't think we have any working day overlap with robert_ancell

 15:15 <Laney> maybe the US does

 15:15 <hellsworth> yep we do

 15:15 <seb128> or everyone in turn with every n weeks some people up at 1am for an IRC meeting (we had that at some point in the past)

 15:15 <hellsworth> but between US/EU/AU pick 2

 15:15 <Wimpress> I have meetings with RObert at 8pm UK time regarding snap store.

 15:16 <seb128> which is like 6am for James?

 15:16 <seb128> there is still like 3 hours between Robert and James

 15:17 <Wimpress> Yeah, I know this isn't easy.

 15:17 <Wimpress> I don't think asking anyone to have a meeting at 1am is reasonable.

 15:17 <kenvandine> it's really tough

 15:17 <hellsworth> i think kenvandine and i are the only us ones. i'm happy to meet in the evening if it helps

 15:18 <Wimpress> So, the idea is OK. Just needs some actual thought regarding logistics?

 15:18 <seb128> it's still going to be inconvenient for people, either earlier or conflciting with familly life, dinner, activities...

 15:18 <seb128> I don't think it's worth the cost

 15:19 <kenvandine> i agree

 15:19 <seb128> but just my opinion

 15:19 <Wimpress> OK.

 15:19 <seb128> if we don't want to exclude half the team maybe think about fully go async?

 15:19 <didrocks> or we make the attendance optional, and have rolling time, so, it can be once US/AU, once US/EU, (and maybe EU/AU?)

 15:19 <seb128> e.g drop the meeting and just use discourse...

 15:19 <marcustomlinson> I do think it's a nice idea to have US/AU community around for a meeting time

 15:19 <seb128> or what didrocks says could also worth

 15:20 <seb128> maybe change the meeting purpose

 15:20 <Laney> feels like a chat for a retrospective in a sprint at this point

 15:20 <seb128> we have bugs & activity on discourse

 15:20 <Laney> to me anyway

 15:20 <seb128> make it a sync point/office hour slot

 15:20 <Wimpress> Laney: Good idea!

 15:20 <seb128> +1

 15:20 <Laney> personally I don't agree that the rls stuff would be good on discourse, that works nicely in real time I think

 15:20 <Laney> but time zones do sucks

 15:20 <Laney> -s

 15:21 <Wimpress> Right, I'll think on that some more and we can chat about it together.

 15:21 <Laney> ta

 15:21 <Wimpress> I'm done. Anything else?

 15:21 <kenvandine> nothing from me

 15:21 <Wimpress> 3...

 15:21 <hellsworth> travel

 15:22 <hellsworth> folks should do that real quick

 15:22 <hellsworth> that is all

 15:22 <kenvandine> indeed

 15:22 <Wimpress> Good point hellsworth

 15:22 <seb128> not from me

 15:22 * didrocks is dealing with atpi, sounds train is complex for them :)

 15:22 <seb128> oh, as we do reminders

 15:22 <seb128> @online training :)

 15:22 <hellsworth> is there an official due date for the online training?

 15:22 <marcustomlinson> deadline is next Wednesday I beleive

 15:22 <hellsworth> ah ok

 15:23 <seb128> they said end of the month

 15:23 <marcustomlinson> well it was said 1 month from access which was 4 Nov

 15:23 <seb128> but I emailed saying it was not possible for some people who were in holidays and they replied "do you best then"

 15:23 <seb128> your*

 15:23 <Wimpress> End of this week is the target I believe.

 15:23 <seb128> so I think it's not an well defined line, they just wanted to push people to get it done

 15:24 <hellsworth> sure ok thanks

 15:24 <Wimpress> And, I also heard there is some wiggle room.

 15:24 <Wimpress> lulz

 15:24 <kenvandine> :)

 15:24 <Wimpress> All finished?

 15:24 <Laney> wonder if that'll break meetingology

 15:24 <didrocks> yep ;)

 15:24 <seb128> yep

 15:24 <Laney> or if meetingology will break it

 15:25 <seb128> should not, I think the bot is mart

 15:25 <seb128> smart

 15:25 <Wimpress> Thanks everyone.

 15:25 <hellsworth> thanks!

 15:25 <Wimpress> 2...

 15:25 <oSoMoN> a smart bot? there is no such thing

 15:25 <seb128> Wimpress, thx, well done handling your first meeting :)

 15:25 <Wimpress> 1...

 15:25 <Wimpress> Thanks seb128

 15:25 <Wimpress> #endmeeting



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