== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-03-12, 12 Mar at 14:35 — 15:11 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2019/ubuntu-desktop.2019-03-12-14.35.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818246 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818790 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaru-theme/+bug/1818878 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1819207 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1819126 
''LINK:'' http://launchpad.net/bugs/1819572 
''LINK:'' https://trello.com/c/kEcqB34L/257-appstream-0125-1-to-0126-1 <- that got marked as in progress with nobody assigned, and hasn't moved since then
''LINK:'' https://trello.com/c/mWodrc3o/256-libvorbis-blocking-build-essential-125ubuntu2-to-126ubuntu1-for-4-days that never got assigned (but apparently someone else fixed it, so lucked out)
=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:08.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * willcooke (71)
 * seb128 (67)
 * Laney (40)
 * didrocks (18)
 * kenvandine (12)
 * Trevinho (10)
 * ubot5 (8)
 * tseliot (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * oSoMoN (2)
 * andyrock (1)
 * jibel (1)



== Full Log ==


 14:35 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2019-03-12

 14:35 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 12 14:35:04 2019 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:35 <meetingology> 

 14:35 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:35 <Trevinho> \o

 14:35 <kenvandine> o/

 14:35 <seb128> hey

 14:35 <didrocks> hey

 14:35 <oSoMoN> \o

 14:35 <willcooke> Roll call: Description:andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 14:35 <andyrock> o/

 14:36 <tseliot> o/

 14:36 <willcooke> Ok, as usual we will start with the Incoming bugs review, starting with B

 14:36 <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:36 <willcooke> Ha, or not.  Since B incoming is empty!

 14:36 <willcooke> \o/

 14:37 <willcooke> I sent the B tracking list round, please look at it and see what's against you which might need looking at

 14:37 <jibel> o/

 14:37 <willcooke> C incoming is also clear \o/

 14:37 <willcooke> D incoming has some, so let's look:

 14:37 <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:38 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818246

 14:38 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1818246 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "update-notifier's notification is huge due to large icon" [High,Confirmed]

 14:38 <willcooke> I haven't seen this one, so I dont know how common it is

 14:38 <Laney> that was supposed to have been investigated in the past week

 14:38 <Laney> forgot who though

 14:38 <seb128> didrocks did investigate and get a testcase

 14:38 <willcooke> Was it didrocks perhaps?

 14:38 <didrocks> yep

 14:38 <seb128> it got turned into an assert/crasher in .92

 14:38 <didrocks> then, it became a crash :)

 14:39 <seb128> which got fixed in master

 14:39 <didrocks> which is fixed upstream

 14:39 <didrocks> and now, I need to retest the testcase once uploaded

 14:39 <seb128> but I don't know if once the crasher is fixed the initial problem is

 14:39 <didrocks> exactly :)

 14:39 <Laney> would have been good to keep the bug updated imho (feedback for future)

 14:39 <seb128> waiting for 3.32 g-s to be out I guess

 14:39 <seb128> out/uploaded

 14:39 <didrocks> yep

 14:39 <Laney> it is

 14:40 <willcooke> oki, didrocks would you comment on the bug to that effect?  And we can look again next week?

 14:40 <didrocks> yes, FTR I opened the crashers and referenced this bug already

 14:40 <willcooke> ah cool, thanks

 14:40 <didrocks> doing the other way aroudn

 14:40 <seb128> +1 to accept the nomination

 14:40 <Laney> not sure about punting things in incoming like this, it feels weird to me

 14:40 <seb128> btw

 14:40 <Laney> yes

 14:41 <willcooke> kk, I targetted

 14:41 <willcooke> and assigned didrocks

 14:41 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818790

 14:41 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1818790 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[regression] Desktop zoom is missing the mouse pointer" [High,Triaged]

 14:42 <seb128> +1 to nominate, assign Marco

 14:42 <Laney> yep

 14:42 <seb128> from the channel backlog I got that it was being worked on already

 14:42 <Trevinho> yes, fix submitted already

 14:42 <Trevinho> upstream

 14:43 <willcooke> done

 14:44 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaru-theme/+bug/1818878

 14:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1818878 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu) "System menu user icon is bigger than others in 3.31.92" [High,Triaged]

 14:44 <kenvandine> i wonder if that is in any way related to the user image in gdm

 14:44 <Trevinho> fixed in next yaru

 14:44 <Laney> not rls imho, but it's going to be fixed

 14:44 <Laney> no

 14:44 <Laney> but that is also fixed

 14:44 <kenvandine> i noticed yesterday that my face is HUGE in gdm

 14:44 <Trevinho> kenvandine: that's another shell one

 14:44 <seb128> blame Marco :)

 14:44 <Trevinho> fixed as well

 14:45 <Laney> no need to panic or even discuss

 14:45 <kenvandine> great :)

 14:45 <willcooke> agreed

 14:45 <Trevinho> no, blame others!

 14:45 <willcooke> so just untag then?

 14:45 <Laney> rls-dd-notfixing, but it will be fixed later today probably anyway

 14:45 <seb128> either way is fine imho

 14:45 <seb128> even not touching

 14:45 <seb128> it should be cleared by the next meeting

 14:45 <willcooke> done

 14:46 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1819207

 14:46 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1819207 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Add Modaliases to open-vm-tools-desktop to allow automatic installation by ubuntu-drivers" [High,In progress]

 14:46 <seb128> but yeah, rls-dd-notfixing, even it feels weird -notfixing a thing which is fix pending upload

 14:46 <willcooke> yeah, the rls bit is the key

 14:46 <seb128> willcooke, up to you to decide for that one how much a cycle goal it is

 14:46 <willcooke> I'm +1 on that open-vm-toosl

 14:46 <Laney> why's it rls?

 14:46 <seb128> either -notfixing or nominate/assign according to what you think imho

 14:47 <Laney> but whatever, jibel seemed to be working with cpaelzer on that

 14:47 <willcooke> You're right though, it's not a rls bug

 14:47 <seb128> Laney, management decision to make it a team goal

 14:47 <seb128> well

 14:47 <seb128> anyway, either is fine with me

 14:47 <tseliot> maintainer +1 to open-vm-tools

 14:48 <seb128> I think that "needs to get done this cycle" decided by $manager qualitfy to be rls targetted

 14:48 <tseliot> well, u-d-c maintainer ;)

 14:48 <seb128> tseliot, thx for the reviews on that topic btw :)

 14:48 <tseliot> :)

 14:48 <Laney> I think not, that kind of bug should be tracked directly and not in the team meeting

 14:48 <Laney> maybe a discussion for another time

 14:49 <willcooke> yeah, let's talk about this sort of thing later, and move on.  That bug will get fixed

 14:49 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1819126

 14:49 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1819126 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT [St:ERROR:../src/st/st-image-content.c:155:st_image_content_get_preferred_size: assertion failed (priv->width > -1): (-1 > -1)]" [High,Fix committed]

 14:50 <willcooke> already fix committed

 14:50 <seb128> right

 14:50 <seb128> that's the counter part of Didier's one

 14:50 <didrocks> yep

 14:50 <seb128> should be fixed in g-s 3.32 which has been uploaded to disco now

 14:51 <willcooke> if the other one is accepted, then should this one too?

 14:51 <willcooke> well, doesnt really matter, and that can be tagged on to the conversation about what gets rls tagged later

 14:51 <Laney> sure, I didn't close it in the changelog so someone can do that after verifying

 14:51 <willcooke> last one then:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1796606

 14:51 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1796606 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in st_widget_get_theme_node → ffi_call_unix64 → ffi_call → gjs_invoke_c_function → function_call" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 14:52 <didrocks> Laney: hum, this is not a SRU, but weird to not have referenced it on purpose

 14:52 <Trevinho> this is going to be fixed in .1

 14:52 <Trevinho> well, fixed... Muted :)

 14:52 <Laney> those patches are in the upload

 14:52 <Laney> so already fixed

 14:52 <Laney> didrocks: I just forgot / didn't know which bugs to close, so not really on purpose

 14:52 <Trevinho> lovely Laney

 14:52 <didrocks> Laney: ah ok, makes more sense thus

 14:53 <Laney> :>

 14:53 <willcooke> ok sorted

 14:54 <willcooke> Right, that is the end of the rls bugs

 14:54 <seb128> we still have some accepted & not assigned ones

 14:54 <willcooke> let's look at errors.u.c next, and then proposed migrations last

 14:54 <seb128> (sorry)

 14:54 <willcooke> seb128, do we?

 14:55 <willcooke> let's tidy that up then

 14:55 <willcooke> DD looks right to me now

 14:55 <didrocks> I think there are new ones, like the rhythmbox crash (but it was perhaps already acked without going through -incoming), desktop langs on the install… unsure if those were listed

 14:56 <seb128> didrocks, those are assigned?

 14:56 <didrocks> yeah, but were they on -incoming and then accepted outside of this meeting?

 14:56 <seb128> willcooke, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-tracking-bug-tasks.html has bug #1819572

 14:56 <ubot5> bug 1819572 in network-manager (Ubuntu Disco) "do-release-upgrade from cosmic to disco make the network of this specific machine malfunction" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1819572

 14:56 <didrocks> I thought this meeting was to review -incoming -> ack/not ack for release

 14:57 <seb128> didrocks, we review things suggested, but it's fine to have things decided by team and/or management and directly targetted&assigned outside the meeting

 14:57 <seb128> if it's a management decision to target there is no much to discuss

 14:57 <didrocks> ok, so the team assignements here are not the only assignements

 14:58 <didrocks> just making this clear

 14:58 <seb128> well, the -tracking list are a reflect of what is accepted

 14:58 <willcooke> the only one in the DD list which is unassigned is:

 14:58 <willcooke> http://launchpad.net/bugs/1819572

 14:58 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1819572 in network-manager (Ubuntu Disco) "do-release-upgrade from cosmic to disco make the network of this specific machine malfunction" [Undecided,New]

 14:58 <didrocks> ack

 14:58 <willcooke> which I dont know anything about.  I will ask them

 14:58 <Laney> hahah

 14:59 <kenvandine> weird, says it only affects the one machine

 14:59 <seb128> I vote -notfixing

 14:59 <willcooke> I think they targetted it without knowing what the implications are

 14:59 <willcooke> I'll sort it out

 14:59 <seb128> thx

 15:00 <Laney> Launchpad recently changed so that nominating doesn't happen any more

 15:00 <willcooke> that's the only one though seb128?

 15:00 <Laney> everyone who could nominate can now target directly

 15:00 <Laney> so I expect more of this kind of thing

 15:00 <willcooke> ah

 15:00 <willcooke> fun

 15:00 <seb128> willcooke, yes

 15:00 <kenvandine> oh joy

 15:00 <seb128> Laney, do you know if that was discussed somewhere public?

 15:00 <willcooke> ok, so lets now really move on to errors.u.c

 15:00 <seb128> k

 15:00 <Laney> discussed not sure, I saw a post about that somewhere

 15:00 <kenvandine> that is going to be frustrating

 15:00 <Laney> can't remember where though, sorry awbout that

 15:01 <seb128> np

 15:01 <willcooke> I haven't pre-filtered the e.u.c list and I used all the time in the previous meeting to talk about other stuff... so

 15:01 <seb128> my comment from previous week still stand

 15:02 <seb128> I think e.u.c should have reports converted to bug and going to the rls-incoming process as appropriate

 15:02 <Laney> that makes sense, just needs to be done

 15:02 <Laney> (far enough in advance of the meeting that the page has refreshed)

 15:02 <willcooke> oki, then let's do that tomorrow seb128?  You & I, and anyone else who wants in

 15:02 <seb128> I'm fine doing that starting next week

 15:02 <seb128> I can do it weekly on mondays

 15:02 <seb128> so we have those in place on the rls incoming on time

 15:02 <kenvandine> seb128: awesome

 15:02 <seb128> willcooke, k

 15:03 <seb128> well let's discuss the details later if you want

 15:03 <willcooke> Do you want to do it in a HO, or would you prefer to do it alone at your convenience?

 15:03 <seb128> let's discuss together after the meeting

 15:03 <willcooke> roger roger

 15:03 <seb128> bye bye will

 15:03 <kenvandine> :)

 15:03 <kenvandine> he bailed on us

 15:03 <seb128> Laney, I guess you can do proposed migration :)

 15:04 <seb128> wb willcooke

 15:04 <oSoMoN> roger roger == /quit

 15:04 <Laney> there are some things https://trello.com/b/RHiGQXZJ/ubuntu-desktop-1904-cycle?menu=filter&filter=label:proposed-migration

 15:04 <Laney> I'm a bit concerned about the assignment process for that

 15:04 <willcooke> seem to have found a secret key shortcut for quit

 15:04 <willcooke> oh, ctrl-q

 15:04 <Laney> https://trello.com/c/kEcqB34L/257-appstream-0125-1-to-0126-1 <- that got marked as in progress with nobody assigned, and hasn't moved since then

 15:05 <Laney> https://trello.com/c/mWodrc3o/256-libvorbis-blocking-build-essential-125ubuntu2-to-126ubuntu1-for-4-days that never got assigned (but apparently someone else fixed it, so lucked out)

 15:05 <willcooke> We should probably assign them now then.  I expect last week we said "lets do it later" and then forgot

 15:05 <willcooke> or we were supposed to do it in the manager meeting, and didnt have time

 15:05 <willcooke> yeah, that ^

 15:06 <seb128> another reason we need to move that meeting to wednesday

 15:06 <willcooke> oki, seb128 shall we look at that too later on?

 15:06 <kenvandine> yeah

 15:06 <willcooke> yeahg

 15:06 <seb128> so we can act on follow up from the team meeting

 15:06 <seb128> +1

 15:06 <Laney> can I move appstream back to backlog?

 15:06 <seb128> wfm

 15:07 <Laney> thanks

 15:07 <seb128> jbicha did file it upstream, it's a regression due to the glib hashtable/order change

 15:07 <willcooke> managers meeting moved

 15:07 <seb128> which ximion said he would look at

 15:07 <Laney> sure

 15:07 <seb128> but yeah, should have an owner

 15:07 <Laney> but someone in the team should have ownership

 15:07 <Laney> if ximion does it, lucky for them

 15:07 <seb128> right

 15:08 <Laney> end of section

 15:08 <willcooke> ok, thanks Laney

 15:08 <willcooke> #topic AOB

 15:08 <willcooke> Anyone got anything they want to talk about?

 15:08 <seb128> jbicha, ricotz, who is looking at the fallout from the new vala?

 15:08 <seb128> we have things that fail to build in disco due to it

 15:08 <seb128> like libunity or rygel

 15:08 <Laney> need to run to the train platform, back in a minute

 15:09 <kenvandine> nope

 15:09 <seb128> Laney, good luck

 15:09 <seb128> willcooke, jbicha put a note in his summary to discuss default windows placement

 15:09 <seb128> unsure if we should discuss that on the hub rather than the meeting though?

 15:09 <seb128> especially that it's something others care about, like the yaru team

 15:10 <willcooke> hub sounds good, or at least out of the meeting

 15:10 <seb128> which might not be here

 15:10 <willcooke> +1

 15:10 <willcooke> jbicha, can you start a thread on the hub as a starting point, and we can take it from there

 15:10 <willcooke> any more?

 15:10 <seb128> not from me

 15:10 <willcooke> 5...#

 15:11 <willcooke> 4..

 15:11 <willcooke> 3...2...1...

 15:11 <willcooke> #endmeeting



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