== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-07-24, 24 Jul at 13:30 — 14:09 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-07-24-13.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== andyrock ===
The discussion about "andyrock" started at 13:31.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 13:33.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 13:34.


=== duflu ===
The discussion about "duflu" started at 13:35.


=== jamesh ===
The discussion about "jamesh" started at 13:36.

  * ''LINK:'' https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/40 
  * ''LINK:'' https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/should-v2-interfaces-select-connected-return-unconnected-plugs-slots/6455/2 

=== jibel / heber ===
The discussion about "jibel / heber" started at 13:36.


=== kenvandine ===
The discussion about "kenvandine" started at 13:37.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 13:38.


=== oSoMoN ===
The discussion about "oSoMoN" started at 13:39.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 13:39.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 13:40.


=== Trevinho ===
The discussion about "Trevinho" started at 13:42.


=== rls-bugs ===
The discussion about "rls-bugs" started at 13:43.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html has 1 new bug
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1775226 
  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 13:49.

  * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/git 

=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 14:07.


=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 14:08.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * willcooke (102)
 * seb128 (77)
 * Laney (35)
 * didrocks (22)
 * Trevinho (21)
 * oSoMoN (19)
 * kenvandine (17)
 * gitlab-bot (16)
 * andyrock (11)
 * ubot5 (10)
 * Beret (10)
 * jibel (7)
 * dgadomski (4)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 13:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-07-24

 13:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 24 13:30:28 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 13:30 <meetingology> 

 13:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 13:30 <oSoMoN> o/

 13:30 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (hols)

 13:30 <didrocks> hey

 13:31 <Trevinho> o/

 13:31 <andyrock> o/

 13:31 <Laney> _O_

 13:31 <seb128> hey

 13:31 <jibel> o/

 13:31 <willcooke> Looks like we have enough people to start, so....

 13:31 <willcooke> #topic andyrock

 13:32 <kenvandine> o/

 13:32 <andyrock> Reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+git/nautilus/+merge/349670

 13:32 <andyrock> Update MP for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/373 to support x11 too

 13:32 <andyrock> Bug “media-keys: Some shortcuts should ignore auto-repeat key events”:

 13:32 <andyrock> MP for gnome-shell: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/156

 13:32 <andyrock> MP for gnome-settings-daemon: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/merge_requests/34

 13:32 <andyrock> MP for mutter: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/169

 13:32 <andyrock> Working on fix for LP: #1772831

 13:32 <andyrock> Working on adding ‘http over unix’ support to libsoup. This likely requires a major reworking of the api

 13:32 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1772831 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center does not respond after we set the resolution 320x180" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1772831

 13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 373 in gnome-shell "Some keybindings should discard auto-repeat events" (comments: 0) [Opened]

 13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 156 in gnome-shell "shellDBus: Add ignore_key_repeat paramater" (comments: 8) [Opened]

 13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 34 in gnome-settings-daemon "media-keys: Allow some key repeated events" (comments: 1) [Opened]

 13:32 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 169 in mutter "keybindings: Add flag param to grab_accelerator" (comments: 8) [Opened]

 13:33 <andyrock> eow

 13:33 <willcooke> thanks andyrock

 13:33 * willcooke makes a note to trim the topic when the meeting is over

 13:33 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski

 13:33 <dgadomski> hey

 13:33 <dgadomski> * bug #1782152 fixed upstream, tested & prepared debdiffs

 13:33 <dgadomski> * working on bug #1721988, for some it's fixed in 18.04, but not according to my tests, will continue working on this

 13:33 <ubot5> bug 1782152 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "GDM blocks SIGUSR1 used in PAM scripts" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782152

 13:33 <ubot5> bug 1721988 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-384 (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 17.10 full disk encryption + Nvidia drivers not booting" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721988

 13:33 <dgadomski> eof

 13:34 <willcooke> thanks dgadomski

 13:34 <willcooke> #topic didrocks

 13:34 <didrocks> Communitheme:

 13:34 <didrocks> * Finalizing communitheme rename (some fix up for upstream devs to test and iterate over it easier)

 13:34 <didrocks> * Debian packaging for cosmic

 13:34 <didrocks> * Some changes (like Shell not taking capital letters for modes)

 13:34 <didrocks> * Change repository name

 13:34 <didrocks> * Resync Travis, do some cleanups in the CI build system, adapt gtk-common-themes to it.

 13:34 <didrocks> * Converted ubuntu-settings to git and release a fix for communitheme for both cosmic and bionic (LP: #1782190). However, cosmic is stuck in proposed due to a meson bug.

 13:34 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1782190 in ubuntu-settings (Ubuntu Bionic) "Set default interface font size to 11 for communitheme sessions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1782190

 13:34 <didrocks> * Investigated the meson regresstion and opened https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/issues/3914 (tagged as such by upstream)

 13:34 <gitlab-bot> mesonbuild issue 3914 in meson "Symlinks can't be copied by install_subdir() since 0.47.0" (comments: 1) [Install Targets, Regression, Open]

 13:34 <didrocks> Apport:

 13:34 <didrocks> * Some rereviews with Brian, and discussion on services. Now in bionic-proposed! (Needs testing). Should be released post .1.

 13:34 <didrocks> * Prepare with the communitheme core team the Yaru annoucement blog post.

 13:34 <didrocks> GSConnect:

 13:34 <didrocks> * Spent some time trying it, found a lot of issues/warnings with current releases.

 13:34 <didrocks> * Still did a first packaging on it and started to fix some issues like harcoded path for settings not being able to be installed distro-wide.

 13:34 <didrocks> * Read github issue tracker and found that a WIP rewrite is currently being done. Talking with upstream on https://github.com/andyholmes/gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect/issues/158 who hilighted that the best route is to wait for the rewrite. Iterating with him currently on the packaging and feedback.

 13:34 <gitlab-bot> andyholmes issue 158 in gnome-shell-extension-gsconnect "Inclusion by default in ubuntu" (comments: 7) [Open]

 13:34 <didrocks> Misc:

 13:34 <didrocks> * Reviewed and sponsor Marco's Nautilus update.

 13:34 <didrocks> .

 13:34 <willcooke> nice, thanks didrocks

 13:35 <oSoMoN> didrocks, cool new name

 13:35 <didrocks> it is a cool name ;)

 13:35 <willcooke> :D

 13:35 <willcooke> #topic duflu

 13:35 <willcooke> * Gnome Shell performance (what changed this week):

 13:35 <willcooke> - Reduced input lag and cursor stutter! I wasn't looking for a lag problem but it's definitely improved now. Most noticeable inside apps (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/168)

 13:35 <willcooke> - Wayland: Implemented proper hardware vsync (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/171). Previously Wayland sessions would blindly always render at 60.00Hz regardless of how appropriate that was for the display.

 13:35 <willcooke> - More work in progress: Avoid frame skipping and artificially low frame rates:

 13:35 <willcooke> . https://gitlab.gnome.org/vanvugt/mutter/commits/super-smooth

 13:35 <willcooke> . https://gitlab.gnome.org/vanvugt/mutter/commits/super-smooth-v2

 13:35 <willcooke> . Basically done for Wayland (when combined with !171 above) but Cogl's X11 backend is proving surprisingly buggy.

 13:35 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 168 in mutter "clutter: Reduce input lag and cursor stutter [performance]" (comments: 19) [Performance, Opened]

 13:35 <willcooke> . One eager user has been helping me test it and also confirms his 2010-era Intel system sees a doubling in frame rate.

 13:35 <willcooke> * Daily bug management:

 13:35 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 171 in mutter "Sync to the hardware refresh rate, not just 60.00Hz [performance]" (comments: 16) [5. Backend: Native, Opened]

 13:35 <willcooke> - Mostly good news - shrinking backlogs in the problem areas.

 13:35 <willcooke> - Added thunderbird and chromium-browser to the chart.

 13:35 <willcooke> - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive

 13:36 <willcooke> #topic jamesh

 13:36 <willcooke> snapd/pulseaudio:

 13:36 <willcooke> * I am working on updating the "snap support" patches for Pulse Audio

 13:36 <willcooke> to restrict microphone access based on the connected plugs of the

 13:36 <willcooke> snap.

 13:36 <willcooke> * When I had a similar problem in the past, zyga had suggested I use

 13:36 <willcooke> the new interfaces REST API.  This isn't currently supported in

 13:36 <willcooke> snapd-glib, so I put together a merge proposal here:

 13:36 <willcooke> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/40

 13:36 <gitlab-bot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 40 in snapd-glib "WIP: Add support for the "interface info" mode of the /v2/interfaces API" (comments: 1) [Open]

 13:36 <willcooke> * It turns out that this API doesn't currently provide a way to

 13:36 <willcooke> reliably tell which interfaces are connected, so it looks like the

 13:36 <willcooke> legacy "ask for data about every single connection on the system and

 13:36 <willcooke> then filter client side" is the only option for now:

 13:36 <willcooke> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/should-v2-interfaces-select-connected-return-unconnected-plugs-slots/6455/2

 13:36 <willcooke> * I hope to have a version of the PA patch ready for testing soon.

 13:36 <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber

 13:37 <jibel> - Preparing the release of 18.04.1 this thursday

 13:37 <jibel> - Troubleshooted bug 1772844 that prevented launch of preinstalled snap and installation of some other snaps (eg gedit)

 13:37 <ubot5> bug 1772844 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "snapd didn't initialize all the seeded snaps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1772844

 13:37 <jibel> - Tested EFI installation with an existing legacy installation (typical use case is the side by side installation with MS Windows)

 13:37 <jibel> - Reviewed upgrade bugs to 18.04

 13:37 <jibel> - Smoke tests of 18.04.1 with proposed enabled.

 13:37 <jibel> done

 13:37 <willcooke> thanks jibel

 13:37 <willcooke> #topic kenvandine

 13:37 <kenvandine> * Sprint last week

 13:37 <kenvandine> * Decided on the name for our fork of gnome-software, it will be "snap-store".  When run on Ubuntu you'll get the full experience you would get from our current deb but when run on other distros it will be a fro

 13:37 <kenvandine> ntend to just the snap store.

 13:37 <kenvandine> - The snappy team is working on adding the interfaces we need to run snap-store confined

 13:37 <kenvandine> ⚾

 13:37 <willcooke> thanks kenvandine

 13:38 <willcooke> #topic Laney

 13:38 <Laney> • short week, was on holiday friday & monday

 13:38 <Laney> • mainly did some updates / reviews / sponsoring (some to SRU too)

 13:38 <Laney> • gtk, mutter, gnome-shell, vala

 13:38 <Laney> • had to fix a few issues in gtk to get it to build / test, all merged upstream

 13:38 <Laney> • usual git stuff, some fixes merged but also some of the updates above were done using this workflow which was nice

 13:38 <Laney> • Florian reviewed my gnome-shell branches; I fixed according to the comments and they got merged. systemd 👏

 13:38 <Laney> 🚲🚲🚲

 13:38 <willcooke> thanks Laney

 13:39 <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN

 13:39 <oSoMoN> hey

 13:39 <oSoMoN> • chromium

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ working on content snap for chromium-ffmpeg-extras (https://trello.com/c/iOMMKdy7/52-snap-that-provides-a-content-interface-for-chromium-ffmpeg-extras)

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated beta to 68.0.3440.68

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ updating dev to 69.0.3493.3

 13:39 <oSoMoN> • libreoffice

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ fixed https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/350 (theming with communitytheme)

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ promoted 6.0.5.2 snap to stable channel

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ pushed 6.0.6.1 snap to the candidate channel and issued call for testing (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-6-0-6/6468)

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ pushed 6.1.0.1 snap to the beta channel, then updated to 6.1.0.2

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ uploaded 6.0.6~rc1 to cosmic-proposed and updated hint to ignore i386 autopkgtest failure (https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/britney/hints-ubuntu-libreoffice/+merge/350721)

 13:39 <oSoMoN> • snaps

 13:39 <oSoMoN> ∘ gnome-software: added logic to hide Updates tab when we're not on Ubuntu and exposing only the snap backend: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gnome-software/commit/50e0cfeb1e3529b6e5c04820ddffa64754312ac5

 13:39 <oSoMoN> 🥑

 13:39 <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN

 13:39 <willcooke> #topic seb128

 13:40 <seb128> • one day off (friday swap for GUADEC over the w.e)

 13:40 <seb128> • sponsored g-s segfault fix from andyroc_k to cosmic&bionic - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1781996

 13:40 <seb128> • reviewed notes from Montréal & GUADEC conference report

 13:40 <seb128> • some cosmic updates (gnome-keyring, alsa-plugins)

 13:40 <seb128> • spent some time playing with/learning the workflow of the new git packaging

 13:40 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1781996 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-software:11:g_date_time_to_instant:g_date_time_to_unix:gs_plugin_refine_app:gs_plugin_loader_call_vfunc:gs_plugin_loader_run_refine_filter" [Medium,Fix released]

 13:40 <seb128> • verified some bonic SRUs for .1

 13:40 <seb128> • opened a MIR for sshfs which is a depends of gs-connect

 13:40 <seb128> </week>

 13:40 <willcooke> thanks seb128

 13:40 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter

 13:42 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho

 13:43 <Trevinho> · Nautilus:

 13:43 <Trevinho> - Prepared upstream release 3.26.4:

 13:43 <Trevinho> - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/269

 13:43 <Trevinho> - Proposed to salsa 3.26.4:

 13:43 <Trevinho> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/nautilus/merge_requests/2

 13:43 <Trevinho> https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/nautilus/merge_requests/3

 13:43 <Trevinho> - Prepared 3.26.4 (3.26.3.1 first) for Ubuntu:

 13:43 <Trevinho> cosmic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+ref/ubuntu/master

 13:43 <Trevinho> bionic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/349984

 13:43 <Trevinho> - Continued fixes for bug #1767027 upstream

 13:43 <Trevinho> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/merge_requests/249

 13:43 <ubot5> bug 1767027 in nautilus (Ubuntu Bionic) "Search current folder only in nautilus doesn't work (Ubuntu 18.04)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1767027

 13:43 <Trevinho> - Doing debugging work to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/nautilus/+bug/1756826

 13:43 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1756826 in nautilus (Ubuntu Bionic) "hangs when locate search provider matches a lot of files" [High,Triaged]

 13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 269 in nautilus "Prepare gnome-3-26 branch for 3.26.4 release" (comments: 2) [Merged]

 13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 2 in nautilus "Add nautilus 3.26.4 to pristine-tar" (comments: 0) [Merged]

 13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 3 in nautilus "Update upstream/3.26.x with 3.26.4" (comments: 0) [Merged]

 13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 249 in nautilus "Recursive query flags" (comments: 48) [3. Review Ready, Opened]

 13:43 <Trevinho> · Mutter, prepared 3.28.3:

 13:43 <Trevinho> - https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/merge_requests/5

 13:43 <Trevinho> · GNOME Shell, prepared 3.28.3 (with patch refreshes):

 13:43 <Trevinho> - debian, https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-shell/merge_requests/2

 13:43 <Trevinho> - cosmic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+ref/ubuntu/master

 13:43 <Trevinho> - bionic, https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/349984

 13:43 <Trevinho> - Updates to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/8#note_267751 (now merged!)

 13:43 <Trevinho> 🇪🇸

 13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 5 in mutter "Update upstream/latest" (comments: 0) [Merged]

 13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 2 in gnome-shell "New upstream release 3.28.3" (comments: 0) [Merged]

 13:43 <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 8 in gnome-shell "Repositioned window in activities" (comments: 17) [1. Bug, Merged]

 13:43 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho

 13:43 <willcooke> #topic rls-bugs

 13:43 <willcooke> I'm unprepared for this section, as usual

 13:44 <seb128> haha

 13:44 <willcooke> looking at rls-bb

 13:44 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html has 1 new bug

 13:44 <seb128> which we discussed there some days ago and needs an assigne

 13:44 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1775226

 13:44 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1775226 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Gnome Software offers installation of updates on shutdown independently from update-manager and unattended-upgrades" [High,New]

 13:44 <willcooke> that one?

 13:45 <seb128> yes

 13:45 <kenvandine> yeah

 13:45 <willcooke> kenvandine, can Robert take a look?  Would probably be quickest

 13:45 <willcooke> except he's on hols

 13:45 <seb128> basically rbalin_t find the trigger, clicking on "refresh" in g-s triggers offline updates

 13:45 <willcooke> oh, back tomorrow

 13:45 <kenvandine> willcooke, yeah... or oSoMoN

 13:45 <seb128> no, he's away autoresponder said 31st no?

 13:45 <seb128> still one week?

 13:45 <kenvandine> he should be back tomorrow

 13:46 * willcooke checks the HR system

 13:46 <seb128> ah ok, maybe I remember wrongly

 13:46 <oSoMoN> I can have a look

 13:46 <willcooke> (btw, emailed them about getting an ical feature.  It's on their backlog)

 13:46 <willcooke> oki, thanks oSoMoN

 13:46 <oSoMoN> once I'm done with chromium ffmpeg content snap

 13:46 <kenvandine> oSoMoN, yeah... might be a good way to get started :)

 13:46 <willcooke> assigned it

 13:46 <seb128> willcooke, good news!

 13:46 <seb128> oSoMoN, thx

 13:47 <willcooke> (my shell has crashed, bear with me)

 13:47 <seb128> willcooke, kenvandine, HR has robert off until friday included

 13:47 <kenvandine> i was just checking that :)

 13:47 <seb128> which matches his email autorespond

 13:47 <willcooke> cc looks clear

 13:47 <willcooke> anyone got any other bugs / lists of bugs to talk about?

 13:48 <kenvandine> ok, oh i think he extended that and we never updated the calendar

 13:48 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 13:48 <seb128> same 1 bug there

 13:48 <willcooke> yeah

 13:48 <Laney> that's probably a return TRUE in the plugin somewhere

 13:48 <Laney> like the other one I added

 13:48 * Laney hints

 13:48 <seb128> oSoMoN, ^

 13:48 <Laney> :-)

 13:49 <willcooke> :)

 13:49 <willcooke> k, moving on to...

 13:49 <oSoMoN> ack

 13:49 <willcooke> #AOB

 13:49 <willcooke> #topic AOB

 13:49 <willcooke> anyone got anything to share?

 13:49 <seb128> L_aney pointed out that now would be a good time to get going with updating GNOME to 3.29

 13:49 <seb128> would be nice if we did it as a team effort

 13:49 <kenvandine> +1

 13:50 <andyrock> happy to help

 13:50 <Beret> hi

 13:50 <didrocks> agreed, however, unsure we have scheduled enough slots for everyone to deal with it, but let's see :)

 13:50 <seb128> those who want to join please do, use IRC & version and open bugs for updates so we don't duplicate work

 13:50 <Beret> does the desktop installer support RAID at all these days?

 13:50 <Beret> I want to install a machine with software RAID and FDE

 13:50 <willcooke> Beret, two secs..

 13:50 <Beret> hah

 13:51 <seb128> Beret, we are in a meeting atm

 13:51 <willcooke> I thought you were going to ask in the other channel :D

 13:51 <Beret> oh

 13:51 <Beret> you're all in a meeting

 13:51 <willcooke> nearly finished

 13:51 <Beret> I was trying to save will from my ping

 13:51 <Beret> take your time

 13:51 <Beret> this is obviously not urgent

 13:51 <Beret> my shiney NUC is awaiting its new softwrae load

 13:51 <seb128> k, so yeah, let's update GNOME

 13:51 <willcooke> k, so seb128 can you lead the co-ordination of the upgrade

 13:51 <seb128> :)

 13:51 <seb128> yes

 13:51 <willcooke> woot

 13:52 <willcooke> anyone got anything else?

 13:52 <seb128> also good time to start using the new workflow

 13:52 <willcooke> +1

 13:52 <willcooke> MOAR Trello

 13:52 <seb128> since we have git branches for quite some components now

 13:52 <seb128> haha

 13:52 <willcooke> ;)

 13:52 <kenvandine> oh yeah...

 13:52 <seb128> it's documented on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html

 13:52 <seb128> ups

 13:52 <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/git

 13:52 <Laney> yes, do people feel like we have a handle on the rls tracking bugs?

 13:52 <willcooke> will be nice to see if we can iron out all the git process issues

 13:52 <Laney> I think it was considered fake news last time I raised this

 13:52 <Laney> but...

 13:53 <Laney> seems to me like there's things which sit there from week to week

 13:53 <seb128> I'm happy to have another look to the current list, like I did the first time that was raised

 13:54 <seb128> my gut feeling is that we have an handle on the important issues

 13:54 <seb128> but we are not that good at getting some of the things that don't look important off the list

 13:54 <willcooke> I think the list itself is in good shape.  The problem we have is when there is something that we don't know what to do about right away we skip it for a week.  We need to be better at assigning an owner who can look at it outside of the meeting when times is

 13:54 <willcooke> time isn't as pressured

 13:54 <seb128> or some of the things we keep dismissing and having to come back to

 13:54 <Laney> not to pick on any one person

 13:54 <Laney> but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1758035

 13:54 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1758035 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Bionic) "[regression] gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in g_realloc_n() from g_log_structured()" [High,Confirmed]

 13:55 <Laney> this is on theh list and didn't see an update for ages

 13:55 <seb128> right, it should probably be off the list

 13:55 <Laney> this is what I'm raising

 13:55 <Laney> if the list is things to work on

 13:55 <seb128> it's one of those which we keep skipping over because that's not really one we can act on

 13:55 <Laney> then it should be kept that way imho

 13:55 <seb128> right & agreed

 13:56 <seb128> we should probably just be more agressive to remove those

 13:56 <seb128> and maybe create trello cards in backlog in exchange

 13:56 <seb128> the reason we have that one (and some others) still tagged is that some team members argue it's important we keep an eye on the issue

 13:56 <seb128> but yeah, rls-nn is probably the wrong way to do it

 13:57 <Laney> to me the point of that list was things that were going to be worked on to a resolution

 13:58 <seb128> yes

 13:59 <seb128> the issue is that we believe some of the items ought to be driven to a resolution but we don't have the manpower at the time we review the list to do something about them

 13:59 <seb128> so they never get properly handled / stay on the backlog

 13:59 <seb128> I'm unsure what's the best way to deal with that

 13:59 <willcooke> seb128, perhaps we should have a section in our managers meeting to check on the progress of things which were flagged as needing work but dont have anyone to do it

 13:59 <willcooke> that's likely to use a lot of time up though, but it needs to be done

 14:00 <willcooke> or, as you say, a Trello list

 14:00 <Laney> everything in that list is meant to be assigned when it is put there (by us), or when we notice it at a weekly meeting

 14:00 <seb128> yeah, I think my preference would be to get those that needs investigation in the trello backlog

 14:00 <seb128> but it's moving from one backlog list to another one

 14:00 <Laney> the issue is that the meeting is what? too rushed to consider it properly?

 14:00 <seb128> so I'm unsure it's solving anything

 14:00 <willcooke> Laney, yeah, feels too rushed

 14:01 <seb128> also we don't have the whole team

 14:01 <seb128> often assigning things to e.g robert_ancell or duflu doesn't have the outcome we want

 14:01 <Laney> right

 14:02 <willcooke> If part of the problem is that people need chasing more, that's easily addressed

 14:02 <Laney> sort of confused to be honest why assigning work to people doesn't result in the work getting done

 14:02 <Laney> but I probably don't understand properly the problem

 14:02 <Laney> s/bad english/good english/

 14:02 <seb128> well, that's another issue

 14:03 <seb128> I discussed a bit that at GUADEC with Robert, his view was that it's difficult to keep track of things when they are not at the same place

 14:03 <seb128> like he uses the trello board but doesn't keep up with launchpad

 14:03 <seb128> so he said he would prefer to have those as trello cards

 14:03 <kenvandine> so getting cards for those should help

 14:03 <kenvandine> at least for him

 14:03 <seb128> yeah

 14:04 <seb128> but we can't flex for each individual preference

 14:04 <Laney> facepalm

 14:04 <seb128> we can also decide that people who don't deal with their assigned bugs needs to be reminded to

 14:04 <seb128> anyway, that starts being a management's discussion and probably an issue we need to resolve but not here/now

 14:04 <Laney> like, fix your filters so you see assigned bugs

 14:04 <Laney> would be my preference

 14:05 <seb128> yeah

 14:05 <didrocks> (agreed)

 14:05 <seb128> so going back to the topic

 14:05 <seb128> I would suggest to not assign to people who didn't agree to during the meeting

 14:05 <seb128> in case we don't know what to do, let's add an action item for the most-appropriate-manager to find an assignee by the next meeting

 14:05 <seb128> and review those actions in the next meeting

 14:05 <kenvandine> yeah

 14:05 <willcooke> +1 sounds like a good step forward

 14:06 <willcooke> then we at least get an owner between now and the next meeting

 14:06 <seb128> Laney, let's try that + make clear cut on the items rather than skip when we don't know waht to do

 14:06 <seb128> and see how it goes?

 14:07 <seb128> k, I think we are done with this topic

 14:07 <seb128> other topic?

 14:07 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter

 14:07 <willcooke> - ippusbxd: Release of version 1.33, containing changes contributed by Google's Chrome OS printing guru David Valleau, for more robust operation and compatibility with more printer manufacturers/models.

 14:07 <willcooke> - cups-browsed: Investigating crash bug on manual definition of printer clusters.

 14:07 <willcooke> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Mentoring of the students on Common Print Dialog Backends and printer auto-selection by job. Especially gave ideas to the students on point where they got stuck.

 14:07 <willcooke> - Upgraded main laptop to Cosmic.

 14:07 <willcooke> - Bugs.

 14:08 <willcooke> #topic AOB

 14:08 <Laney> that would be good, but I'm still worried about activity once things are assigned

 14:08 <Laney> maybe that's not my problem

 14:08 <Laney> what is this quote cutting off the meeting bot :-)

 14:08 <seb128> right, that's probably something we need to keep an eye on

 14:08 <seb128> that doesn't work

 14:08 <seb128> the bot is going to put it back next time it changes the topic :p

 14:08 <willcooke> Right, lets wrap up and see how we get on next week

 14:09 <willcooke> thanks all

 14:09 <willcooke> #endmeeting



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