13:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-05-15
13:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 15 13:30:28 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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13:30 <didrocks> hey
13:30 <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock (out), dgadomski (out), didrocks, duflu (hols), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter (out), trevinho (out?), robert_ancell (out)
13:30 <jbicha> o/
13:30 <jibel> hi
13:31 <kenvandine> o/
13:31 <oSoMoN> o/
13:31 <seb128> hey
13:32 <willcooke> I think we have enough people to get started
13:32 <willcooke> #topic andyrock
13:32 <willcooke> 1. Merged upstream fix for LP: #1759468
13:32 <willcooke> 2. Port gnome-software SSO design in software-properties (ready for review)
13:32 <willcooke> 3. Fixed LP: #1766694 (Merged "upstream", needs upload in cosmic and in bionic)
13:32 <willcooke> 4. Fix proposed for LP: #1770686
13:32 <willcooke> 5. WIP: Add support to HTTP over Unix Sockets to libsoup
13:32 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1759468 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center (11) gtk_style_context_clear_property_cache → gtk_css_widget_node_update_style → gtk_css_node_ensure_style → gtk_css_node_ensure_style → gtk_css_node_validate_internal" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759468
13:32 <willcooke> 6. WIP: LP: #1770694
13:32 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1766694 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "If U1 is pre configured in g-o-a LivePatch in g-i-s fails to install" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766694
13:32 <willcooke> 7. WIP: Use SSO in gnome-software for snap purchases
13:32 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1770686 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Hide livepatch widgets in flavors without an online account panel in gnome-control-center" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770686
13:32 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1770694 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Hide livepatch page if it is not supported" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770694
13:32 <willcooke> #topic didrocks
13:33 <didrocks> 3 days week (2 days off)
13:33 <didrocks> * Communitheme:
13:33 <didrocks> - Fix double indicators for dropbox and others in electron for communitheme session (+ some reviews and other implementations): https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/12844. Waiting for another review.
13:33 <ubot5-ng> electron bug (Pull request) 12844 in electron "fix: support multiple inherited ubuntu session for indicators" (comments: 2) [Bug :Beetle:, Platform/Linux/Ubuntu, Target/2-0-X, Open]
13:33 <didrocks> - Lots of discussion over the hub, bugs or privately with the communitheme core team on decisions to take.
13:33 <didrocks> - Still waiting for a classic snap allowance for communitheme-set-default: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/classic-confinement-request-communitheme-set-default/5146
13:33 <didrocks> * Telemetry:
13:33 <didrocks> - reviewed and some typo fixes (spaces): https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-release-upgrader/add_telemetry/+merge/345088. Waiting for another review.
13:33 <didrocks> * Snapd:
13:33 <didrocks> - finally got a review on multiple PATH being inserted in some sessions. Made a change to account for comments. https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5075. Waiting for another review.
13:33 <ubot5-ng> snapcore bug (Pull request) 5075 in snapd "snap/env: fix env duplication logic" (comments: 2) [Simple, Open]
13:33 <didrocks> * Misc:
13:33 <didrocks> - Ubuntu dock trash icon and device feature PR review and feedbacks + discussed with upstream about some proposed and specific to Ubuntu Dock optimizations.
13:33 <didrocks> - Fix byobu GNOME Shell application matching: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/byobu/gnome-shell-app-detect/+merge/345291. Waiting for a review.
13:33 <didrocks> - Guadec: provided some extract for a submission, voting on talks
13:33 <didrocks> - GNOME board: travel committee discussions and other GNOME board activities…
13:33 <didrocks> .
13:34 <willcooke> Dustin will be happy, thanks Didrocks!
13:34 <didrocks> I hope he will :)
13:36 <seb128> did I disconnect?
13:36 <seb128> $ping channel? :p
13:36 <Laney> no
13:36 <kenvandine> seb128, no
13:36 <jibel> seb128, pong
13:36 <seb128> k, seems willcooke is lagging
13:37 <seb128> he's the only chair, we can't move ahead without screwing the bot/log/topics
13:37 <seb128> #chair seb128
13:38 <seb128> I guess that doesn't work
13:38 <didrocks> doesn't look like it does…
13:38 <seb128> #stupidbot
13:38 <kenvandine> :)
13:38 <seb128> k, screw the topics then
13:39 <seb128> let's move on and record the meeting under didrocks' activity log :)
13:39 <didrocks> \o/
13:39 <kenvandine> lol
13:39 <kenvandine> didrocks ftw
13:39 <seb128> duflu is off and I don't think he sent a status update
13:39 <seb128> #topic jbicha
13:39 <seb128> jibel, your turn
13:39 <jbicha> • Change build option to enable New Tab in GNOME Terminal LP: #1747171
13:39 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1747171 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu Bionic) ""New Tab" disappeared from the GNOME Terminal menu" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747171
13:40 <jbicha> • Got Ubuntu Studio cosmic daily ISOs building again by temporarily dropping mypaint from their seed/metapackage. See Debian bug 894757
13:40 <ubot5> Debian bug 894757 in libmypaint-common "libmypaint-common: file conflict with mypaint-data" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/894757
13:40 <jbicha> • Filed MIRs for tracker LP: #1770877 LP: #1770874 LP: #1770871
13:40 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1770877 in tracker-miners (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tracker-miners" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770877
13:40 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1770874 in libgsf (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libgsf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770874
13:40 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1770871 in libcue (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libcue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770871
13:40 <jbicha> • Major libcue packaging update as part of the tracker MIRs
13:40 <jbicha> • Synced gnome-shell-extension-appindicator from Debian
13:40 <jbicha> • More GNOME 3.28.2 packaging and some 18.04 SRUs
13:40 <jbicha> • Several gnome-control-center fixes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.28.1-0ubuntu2
13:40 <jbicha> 👩‍👦
13:40 <willcooke> I'm back
13:40 <seb128> thanks jbicha
13:40 <willcooke> for now
13:40 <seb128> willcooke, wb
13:40 <willcooke> thanks seb128 jbicha
13:40 <seb128> k, well I couldn't change the topic
13:40 <willcooke> kk
13:40 <willcooke> #topic jamesh
13:41 <willcooke> snapd/portals:
13:41 <willcooke> - Ran end-to-end tests for file open/save operations using portals,
13:41 <willcooke> and wrote up results here:
13:41 <willcooke> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapd-support-for-xdg-desktop-portal/161/9?u=jamesh
13:41 <willcooke> - The PR has two approvals, so hopefully we can get it merged soon:
13:41 <willcooke> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5115
13:41 <ubot5-ng> snapcore bug (Pull request) 5115 in snapd "interfaces: add xdg-document-portal support to desktop interface" (comments: 4) [Open]
13:41 <willcooke> - Still up in the air is how to auto-start xdg-document-portal: can't
13:41 <willcooke> rely on confined app starting it on demand because we want it's mount
13:41 <willcooke> point available while snap-confine is running.  I talked to zyga,
13:41 <willcooke> about the best way to proceed: either have "snap run" activate it, or
13:41 <willcooke> have "snap userd" do it if we are certain "snap run" will launch
13:41 <willcooke> userd.
13:41 <willcooke> - While doing the testing, I noticed xdg-desktop-portal-gtk (the
13:41 <willcooke> service GUI operations are delegated to) was failing on Wayland.  It
13:41 <willcooke> looks like the wayland socket connection is being shut down from the
13:41 <willcooke> other end for some reason I haven't yet tracked down.  Not a problem
13:41 <willcooke> for our default 18.04 install, but it'd be good to discover the root
13:41 <willcooke> cause.
13:41 <willcooke> - Some portals like notifications are not functional due to desktop
13:41 <willcooke> file ID mismatches.  Fixing this will probably require an
13:41 <willcooke> xdg-desktop-portal change, probably with a "snap" command to provide
13:41 <willcooke> the needed metadata.  We still have a large amount of functionality
13:41 <willcooke> working with current xdg-desktop-portal upstream though.
13:41 <willcooke> snapd/evolution-data-server:
13:41 <willcooke> - I'm adapting some of the EDS address book example code into some
13:41 <willcooke> utilities I can put into a test snap to write spread tests for Ken's
13:41 <willcooke> EDS snapd interfaces.  When I've got that basically working, I'll see
13:41 <willcooke> if I can adapt it to test the calendar backend too.
13:42 <willcooke> - Once the tests are in place, I'll push through a PR to get the new
13:42 <willcooke> interfaces in snapd master.
13:42 <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber
13:42 <jibel> hi
13:42 <jibel> - Post release installer and upgrade bug triaging:
13:42 <jibel> - Main issues with the installer:
13:42 <jibel> - Performing a EFI installation on top of an existing legacy installation
13:42 <jibel> - Installer crash when there is an existing installation with an encrypted home (bug 1767799)
13:42 <ubot5> bug 1767799 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with reuse home and existing encrypted home - 'PageGtk' object has no attribute 'error_dialog'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1767799
13:42 <jibel> - Main issue with upgrades:
13:42 <jibel> - Triggers loop during upgrade
13:42 <jibel> - Enabling automated tests for Cosmic.
13:42 <jibel> eof
13:42 <willcooke> thanks jibel
13:43 <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
13:43 <kenvandine> * Found the simple-scan classic snap was crashing on launch, spent some time fixing that.
13:43 <kenvandine> * Attempted to update gnome-calendar and gnome-contacts classic snaps to latest upstream versions and found missing dep on libdazzle from our backport.  Getting an appropriate version of libdazzle building on the gnome-3-26 backport seems problematic, we should probably just wait for 18.04 builds.
13:43 <kenvandine> * Sponsored SRU for latest flatpak release to bionic
13:43 <kenvandine> * Prepared "Preview" version of the desktop-preinstalled hyperv image for publishing in the gallery
13:43 <kenvandine> ⚾
13:44 <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
13:44 <willcooke> #topic Laney
13:45 <Laney> • started again on systemd --user work, first new task is to figure out how to make GDM work in this scenario, so spending some time studying its code, this is me for the next few weeks
13:45 <Laney> • did a bit of documenting / discussing around the git workflow
13:45 <Laney> • got pinged about a debhelper bug in bionic by Niels, SRUed that
13:45 <Laney> • Followed inf_inity's advice on #1768541 (rls bug) and uploaded a fix, also to cosmic
13:45 <Laney> • autopkgtest - amqp went down which broke most things, worked to recover it. It turns out that we had tons of kernel updates piled up on the system which eventually ran it out of space, at which point rabbitmq was very unhappy. After that I spent some time checking all the other machines weren't going to die in the same way.
13:45 <Laney> ∘ rbalint is trying to SRU a new version of unattended-upgrades which autoremoves kernels 👍
13:45 <Laney> • some work on the gdm login bug I think, or was that last week?
13:45 <Laney> 🌻 in honour of my "sunzilla" seedlings which are looking strong 🎸
13:46 <willcooke> thanks Laney
13:46 <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
13:46 <oSoMoN> hey
13:46 <oSoMoN> • firefox
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1461363
13:46 <ubot5> Mozilla bug 1461363 in Untriaged "[snap] flash plugin content not rendered" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
13:46 <oSoMoN> • chromium
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ still working on a snap built from source
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ reached out to security team and commercial stakeholders to confirm that it's okay to stop pushing updates for chromium on trusty, and focus on the snap instead, then posted a public announcement: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/chromium-updates-on-trusty/5905
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated stable channel to 66.0.3359.139 then 66.0.3359.170
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated beta channel to 67.0.3396.40
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated dev channel to 68.0.3423.2
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed and fixed bug #1771162
13:46 <ubot5> bug 1771162 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] Can't use the flash plugin" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1771162
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ added removable-media plug (bug #1769495)
13:46 <ubot5> bug 1769495 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] Chromium snap should ask for "removable-media" interface" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769495
13:46 <seb128> (bah, was typing something for Laney, missed my chance, going back to that in aob)
13:46 <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ promoted 6.0.4.2 snap to stable channel
13:46 <oSoMoN> • other
13:46 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898646 which got fixed right away
13:46 <ubot5> Debian bug 898646 in octave-interval-doc "octave-interval-doc: doc package should not depend on a web browser" [Minor,Open]
13:46 <oSoMoN> 🍃
13:47 <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN
13:47 <willcooke> #topic seb128
13:47 <seb128> • one week off work, that was nice
13:47 <seb128> • back since yesterday, mostly spend the day catching up with emails/trello board/new cycle planning
13:47 <seb128> • looked a bit at the hyperv image to help Ken with some issues
13:47 <seb128> </thisweek>
13:47 <willcooke> thanks seb128
13:48 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
13:48 <willcooke> - Land gnome-initial-setup translatable Ubuntu changes page + other small fixes
13:48 <willcooke> - Confirmed gnome-initial-setup 3.28.0-2ubuntu6.1 SRU bugs
13:48 <willcooke> - Investigated Snap support in BuildStream
13:48 <willcooke> - Chasing down a PackageKit / debconf crasher in GNOME Software (LP: #1722185)
13:48 <willcooke> - Attended GNOME Stakeholders meeting
13:48 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1722185 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "gnome-software (11) g_io_channel_shutdown → pk_client_helper_copy_stdout_cb → g_main_dispatch → g_main_context_dispatch → g_main_context_iterate" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1722185
13:48 <willcooke> #topic people who might be here or might not
13:48 <willcooke> Trevinho are you around for the meeting? I assume not
13:48 <willcooke> Till isn't
13:49 <willcooke> timeout in 30 seconds
13:49 <willcooke> #topic rls bugs
13:50 <willcooke> Ok, let's go through the bugs which have been tagged for B
13:50 <willcooke> aaaand I've lost the link, Laney do you have it to hand?
13:50 <willcooke> Ah,
13:50 <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
13:50 <Laney> zat iz ze badger
13:51 <seb128> not a lot of tagging happened it seems :/
13:51 <willcooke> Hm, I think we have bugs missing for that list
13:51 <willcooke> let's review what is there, and then let's get that list updated
13:51 <seb128> yeah, sorry, I meant to review things but I've just been too busy since yesterday
13:51 <willcooke> 1st up:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1765724
13:51 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1765724 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Xenial -> Bionic - System fails to boot after upgrade - gnome-screensaver & gnome-shell fail to start?" [Undecided,New]
13:51 <jbicha> now that cosmic opened, I just target bugs for bionic directly, so -tracking- instead of -incoming-
13:52 <Laney> that's OK if you are uploading the fix
13:52 <Laney> if you want to suggest someone works on it, not so much
13:53 <willcooke> yeah, lets use incoming for now
13:53 <jbicha> Triaged means that someone should feel free to work on it, In Progress means the fix is already in unapproved queue
13:53 <seb128> 51 o tracking
13:53 <seb128> DOH
13:53 <willcooke> Let's review that tracking list off line
13:54 <Laney> oh come on, don't mess around with the process please :/
13:54 <Laney> anyway, jibel's bug, what do you think?
13:54 <willcooke> Is it a foundations issue?
13:54 <seb128> xnox's asked questions and seemed to be looking at it
13:54 <seb128> also what willcooke said
13:54 <Laney> no
13:54 <seb128> no?
13:54 <Laney> look at the tasks, those are invalid
13:54 <willcooke> ah
13:55 <seb128> I don't understand why
13:55 <Laney> looks like he looked at logs and decided it was something on the session side
13:55 <Laney> if you want to argue, skip considering it?
13:56 <willcooke> needs more investigation I think, who can look at that?
13:57 <seb128> xnox, could you write on bug #1765724 which you think it's a gnome-shell issue?
13:57 <ubot5> bug 1765724 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Xenial -> Bionic - System fails to boot after upgrade - gnome-screensaver & gnome-shell fail to start?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765724
13:57 <willcooke> k, we can either talk about that some more here in a mo, or come back to it next week
13:57 <willcooke> what do you want to do about the tracking bugs?  Go through them here and now?
13:57 <seb128> I would remove it from the list at this point
13:57 <seb128> it's not clear it's an important issue
13:58 <willcooke> seb128, let's see what x_nox says and then Ill tidy it up
13:58 <seb128> it has no other reporters/duplicates
13:58 <seb128> k
13:58 <seb128> it's impossible to clean the tracking list
13:58 <seb128> that's a mix of SRU uploaded and other things
13:58 <seb128> we should really gate the review on -incoming
13:58 <seb128> jbicha, ^ please stick to the defined process
13:59 <jbicha> where is this defined
13:59 <xnox> seb128, in a call now; will do in a bit.
13:59 <seb128> xnox, thx
13:59 <willcooke> ok, so for next week let's get the bugs we know about and are working on tagged so that we can review them next time
13:59 <seb128> jbicha, that's a fair point, but not an useful reply at the same time
13:59 <jbicha> for instance, is there anything wrong with how I filed bug 1769637 except for the part where I didn't get around to actually uploading to bionic?
13:59 <ubot5> bug 1769637 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu Bionic) "Update evolution-data-server to 3.28.2" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769637
14:00 <willcooke> lets talk process after the meeting
14:00 <seb128> no, and if you are working on it the nomination is fine
14:00 <seb128> k
14:00 <jbicha> I don't think I need to ask permission first before targeting to bionic…
14:00 <Laney> If you want to work on it, you can assign it to yourself
14:00 <Laney> I don't think there's anything wrong with nominating in that situation
14:00 <willcooke> anything else meeting wise?
14:00 <seb128> #aob?
14:00 <Laney> but for things that other people are going to work on, use incoming
14:00 <jbicha> what if I'm not working on it like bug 1768555?
14:00 <ubot5> bug 1768555 in gnome-calendar (Ubuntu Bionic) "Update gnome-calendar to 3.28.2" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1768555
14:00 <willcooke> #topic aob
14:00 <Laney> use incoming, and we can decide to assign someone or not
14:01 <seb128> Laney, you wrote " • did a bit of documenting / discussing around the git workflow"
14:01 <Laney> I did
14:01 <seb128> I know you wrote about that on the hub, but might be worth sharing the URL here?
14:01 <Laney> to the hub post?
14:01 <jbicha> ok, I can do that but I'm pretty sure that's a difference process than we had been using for SRUs, anyway, I can adapt to change :)
14:01 <seb128> or the wiki you used
14:02 <Laney> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-deb-packages-migration-to-git/5746/4
14:02 <seb128> thx
14:02 <Laney> does that go to a specific post?
14:02 <seb128> just making it easy for people to go and read it :)
14:02 <Laney> maybe remove the last bit
14:02 <Laney> ok
14:02 <seb128> thx Laney
14:02 <willcooke> any more for any more?
14:02 <jbicha> https://trello.com/c/R7JSYTT8/45-use-ubuntu-langpacks-for-gnome-universe
14:03 <seb128> jbicha, I +1ed to use them for universe
14:03 <seb128> if nobody objects I think we should just do it
14:03 <jbicha> everyone else fine with that?
14:03 <Laney> didn't we want to try to reduce the iso size?
14:04 <seb128> good point
14:04 <seb128> let me have a look to the size diff
14:04 <seb128> I believe that most of those .mo are small
14:04 <Laney> it's probably not that much in this case
14:04 <Laney> but you know...
14:04 <Laney> s/this/each/
14:04 <seb128> right
14:04 <seb128> and we probably don't patch those apps
14:05 <seb128> at least not to add Ubuntu specific strings
14:05 <jbicha> right
14:05 <seb128> jbicha, do you have a list of packages we are talking about?
14:06 <jbicha> I think the idea was for all "apps" in Debian GNOME unless you had a reason to be more selective
14:07 <seb128> bah, I'm undecided now :p
14:07 <jbicha> ok, let's defer to later then
14:07 <kenvandine> :)
14:07 <seb128> I'm going to have a look to the size we are talking about for next week
14:07 <willcooke> thanks seb128
14:07 <seb128> let's decide then
14:07 <seb128> yw
14:07 <seb128> other things I had a question about
14:07 <Laney> it's just weird to be taking stuff out with one hand and putting things in with the other
14:08 <seb128> right
14:08 <seb128> Robert had that line " - Attended GNOME Stakeholders meeting"
14:08 <seb128> does anyone know what stackeholder/meeting that is?
14:08 <seb128> and what is discussed in those meetings?
14:08 <willcooke> The one on Monday nights
14:08 <seb128> is that an upstream/downstream thing?
14:09 <kenvandine> Probably GNOME Software
14:09 <willcooke> it's a desktop, store, advocatory meeting
14:09 <seb128> ah
14:09 <willcooke> advocacy
14:09 <kenvandine> that's the weekly meeting with advocacy, store, etc
14:09 <seb128> GNOME software
14:09 <willcooke> ah yeah
14:09 <seb128> and Ubuntu specific then
14:09 <kenvandine> yes
14:09 <willcooke> yes
14:09 <seb128> k, nevermind me then
14:09 <willcooke> :)
14:09 <seb128> I though it was talking to upstream
14:09 <seb128> the title was misleading
14:09 <seb128> "GNOME stakeholders"
14:10 <seb128> that was all from me
14:10 <willcooke> anyone else?
14:10 <xnox> seb128, right, i remember that now. Have we managed to reproduce this? It would be nice to e.g. use willcooke's laptop on which we implemented "rim & reboot" to e.g. install home-encrypted install using e.g. 16.04.4 iso; upgrade to bionic; and check that it still works fine.
14:10 <willcooke> xnox, I can do testing
14:10 <xnox> seb128, the actual bug report there is messy. and it is not clear if "ecryptfs /home xenial -> bionic" is busted for everyone, or just that weird machine.
14:10 <seb128> willcooke, let's wrap the meeting and discuss that boot issue?
14:10 <willcooke> ack
14:10 <xnox> oh sorry.
14:11 <willcooke> #endmeeting