== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-03-27, 27 Mar at 14:00 — 15:27 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-03-27-14.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== andyrock ===
The discussion about "andyrock" started at 14:01.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 14:05.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 14:05.


=== duflu ===
The discussion about "duflu" started at 14:08.


=== jbicha ===
The discussion about "jbicha" started at 14:11.


=== jamesh ===
The discussion about "jamesh" started at 14:12.


=== jibel/heber ===
The discussion about "jibel/heber" started at 14:13.


=== kenvandine ===
The discussion about "kenvandine" started at 14:14.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 14:18.


=== oSoMoN ===
The discussion about "oSoMoN" started at 14:21.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 14:23.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 14:25.


=== Trevinho ===
The discussion about "Trevinho" started at 14:26.

  * ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/places-sidebar-button-theming/+merge/341925 
  * ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/popover-tip-fix/+merge/341916 
  * ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/windowbuttons-bg-and-padding/+merge/342171 
  * ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/rtl-linked-buttons-fix/+merge/341881 
  * ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/list-theming/+merge/341003 
  * ''LINK:'' https://github.com/merge-it/2018/blob/master/sito/content/talks/il-futuro-di-ubuntu/slides.pdf 

=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 14:28.


=== rls-bb-incomings bugs review ===
The discussion about "rls-bb-incomings bugs review" started at 14:31.

  * ''LINK:'' http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html 
  * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+bug/1759008 

=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:26.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 15:27.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (290)
 * Laney (87)
 * ubot5 (53)
 * jbicha (43)
 * willcooke (39)
 * didrocks (36)
 * kenvandine (32)
 * oSoMoN (16)
 * andyrock (16)
 * tkamppeter (15)
 * jibel (14)
 * ubot5-ng (10)
 * meetingology (4)
 * cyphermox (3)



== Full Log ==


 14:00 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-03-27

 14:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 27 14:00:19 2018 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:00 <meetingology> 

 14:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:00 <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)

 14:00 <oSoMoN> o/

 14:00 <andyrock> o/

 14:00 <seb128> first sorry again for shifting it a bit earlier, I didn't remember about the DST shift and need to go at 5pm or a bit after that

 14:00 <kenvandine> o/

 14:01 <seb128> and I don't think we are going to stick to half an hour with the rls bugs reviews, etc

 14:01 <seb128> 1h would already be good :)

 14:01 <seb128> alright, let's get started, please remind to include your bionic milestoned bugs in your summary

 14:01 <seb128> #topic andyrock

 14:01 <seb128> andyrock, hey

 14:01 <andyrock> Done:

 14:01 <andyrock> #1 software-properties now has a GUI to enable livepatch (LP: #1756364). Thanks Didier for the reviews!

 14:01 <andyrock> #2 Fix for LP: #1757444.

 14:01 <andyrock> #3 Fix for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/25 (Online-accounts not properly removed if the window is closed without dismissing the notification). Fixed in the repos, waiting for upstream to merge it.

 14:01 <andyrock> #4 Testing and reviewing Marco's MPs for light-themes.

 14:01 <andyrock> WIP:

 14:01 <andyrock> #1 livepatch page in ubuntu-welcome (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mi97bht0m26thr7/Peek%202018-03-27%2014-31.gif?dl=0)

 14:01 <andyrock> #2 Proposed a patch upstream for LP: #1749007. Review in progress.

 14:01 <andyrock> Other:

 14:01 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1756364 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "[ffe] Livepatch integration" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756364

 14:01 <andyrock> #1 Some debug for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/71 (F11 makes gnome-shell/mutter to deadlock)

 14:01 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1757444 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "[Ubuntu SSO] When a second opt is required, text entry should be empty." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757444

 14:01 <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug 25 in gnome-control-center "Online-accounts not properly removed if the window is closed without dismissing the notification" (comments: 0) [Opened]

 14:01 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1749007 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "Snap mounts should be hidden from System Monitor" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749007

 14:01 <ubot5> Error: Gnome bug 25 could not be found

 14:01 <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug 71 in gnome-shell "Shell freezes and rapidly consumes all memory after holding down F11 in Firefox" (comments: 4) [Opened]

 14:01 <ubot5> Error: Gnome bug 71 could not be found

 14:02 <andyrock> EOW

 14:02 <andyrock> someone should fix the Ubuntu IRC Bot

 14:03 <seb128> to understand gitlab?

 14:03 <andyrock> to now show "Gnome bug 71 could not be found"

 14:03 <ubot5> Error: Gnome bug 71 could not be found

 14:03 <seb128> ah it does

 14:03 <seb128> right

 14:03 <andyrock> when they actually do

 14:03 <seb128> Trevinho taught it about gitlab, it's in his summary

 14:04 <seb128> right, but that would loop :p

 14:04 <seb128> it's just that it turns the gitlab url in "GNOME ... n"

 14:04 <seb128> should change the text to not trigger the bot

 14:04 <andyrock> yeah I'll remind him

 14:04 <seb128> andyrock, you had bug #1637984 milestoned but the new udisks landed in bionic so I closed that now

 14:04 <ubot5> bug 1637984 in udisks2 (Ubuntu Bionic) "Disks shows all mounted snaps" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637984

 14:04 <seb128> thanks andyrock

 14:05 <seb128> #topic dgadomski

 14:05 <seb128> dgadomski, hey

 14:05 <seb128> or maybe you are not around yet, let's go back to your after the 16:30 :)

 14:05 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 14:05 <seb128> didrocks, hey

 14:06 <didrocks> hey

 14:06 <didrocks> * Telemetry:

 14:06 <didrocks> - finish support of gather data metrics from system. Project is at https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-report.

 14:06 <didrocks> - refined command line usage

 14:06 <didrocks> - automated generation on go generate of README, markdown, shell completion.

 14:06 <didrocks> - added a Go API with its documentation and tests: https://godoc.org/github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-report/pkg/sysmetrics

 14:06 <didrocks> - crafted a C API, exported via a shared library calling into the Go code, with test coverage and documentation: https://godoc.org/github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-report/pkg/sysmetrics/C. Note that each "Example" section is extracted and test compiled against a build-on-demand shared library to ensure that all our examples are always correct.

 14:06 <didrocks> - added 243 tests. Code coverage, including command line tool.

 14:06 <didrocks> - integrating CI via Travis CI and code coverage report: https://travis-ci.org/ubuntu/ubuntu-report, https://codecov.io/gh/ubuntu/ubuntu-report.

 14:06 <didrocks> * Livepatch:

 14:06 <didrocks> - multiple reviews and comment iterations on https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/software-properties/add-canonical-livepatch/+merge/341427

 14:06 <didrocks> - sponsored with some design changes needed to ubuntu:

 14:06 <didrocks> - sponred gnome-online-accounts fix: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/3.27.92-1ubuntu2

 14:06 <didrocks> * Misc:

 14:06 <didrocks> - Make some github research and maintenance on our "Ubuntu" org name. Renamed to "ubuntu": was creating a lot of issues due to github/Travis integration

 14:06 <didrocks> - Quick review theme fixes

 14:06 <didrocks> - Communitheme track/answer/communication

 14:06 <didrocks> * no bionic milestone bug for me. But some on my list which should all be tackled next week (translation fixes, upstream dash to dock crashing the session…)

 14:06 <didrocks> EOW

 14:08 <seb128> didrocks, bug #1719462 is milestoned, but you mentioned it :)

 14:08 <ubot5> bug 1719462 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Bionic) "[Translation] "Left" and "Right" must be translated differently in different contexts" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1719462

 14:08 <seb128> thanks didrocks

 14:08 <didrocks> yw ;)

 14:08 <seb128> #topic duflu

 14:08 <seb128> (Status for the past 7 days. I know that some of this already made it into the Friday newsletter)

 14:08 <seb128> * Screen corruption when logging into Xorg sessions (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753776)

 14:08 <seb128> - Upstream doesn't want to fix or workaround it in Mesa. They would rather enhance the kernel+Xorg to eventually do things properly. But in the meantime for the foreseeable future, upstream users will see the corruption.

 14:08 <seb128> - I wrote a distro patch for bionic that disables the offending (new) feature and avoids the corruption, just for Ubuntu.

 14:08 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1753776 in mesa (Ubuntu Bionic) "Graphics corruption just before login animation to Xorg sessions (Intel gen9 GPUs only)" [High,Fix released]

 14:08 <seb128> - Fix released to bionic.

 14:08 <seb128> * Theme fixes:

 14:08 <seb128> - Fix released to bionic (amongst others): Unreadable combobox menu text (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1725921)

 14:08 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1725921 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Xenial) "[regression] Combobox menus have gray text on gray background" [High,Fix committed]

 14:09 <seb128> * Gnome Shell performance:

 14:09 <seb128> - Affecting Xorg and Wayland sessions:

 14:09 <seb128> . CPU usage: Went deep into this again. I have developed patches that reduce the CPU requirements of the overview (etc). But I'm still trying to optimize, tweak and even rewrite them to do better and also make upstream happier than last time.

 14:09 <seb128> . Clock/animations smoothness fix: Still blocked awaiting upstream review (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/26)

 14:09 <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 26 in mutter "clutter: Smooth out master clock to smooth visuals" (comments: 1) [Opened]

 14:09 <seb128> - Affecting only Wayland sessions (still blocked, no responses for upstream for over a month):

 14:09 <seb128> . Remove artificial performance blockage: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/25

 14:09 <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 25 in mutter "renderer-native: Swap then await earlier flips." (comments: 5) [Opened]

 14:09 <seb128> . Simplify and clean up: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/29

 14:09 <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 29 in mutter "eglnative: Simplify and remove 'fb_in_use'" (comments: 3) [Opened]

 14:09 <seb128> * Libinput:

 14:09 <seb128> - My omnidirectional hysteresis work reached bionic this week as part of libinput 1.10.3 (it was in 1.10.2 but Ubuntu never got that).

 14:09 <seb128> . Now the cursor at least won't move in squares and snap to horizontal/vertical lines.

 14:09 <seb128> - More work is required for some touchpads that are now unresponsive (fixes exist on master but not in the 1.10 branch). Blocked awaiting me to get back to hardware/branch testing for libinput.

 14:09 <seb128> * Synaptics touchpad settings missing (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686081):

 14:09 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1686081 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [Medium,In progress]

 14:09 <seb128> - My GTK bug fix was merged upstream (in gtk4 only): https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/commit/0ad27cc598

 14:09 <seb128> - So now we have the minor GTK fix upstream, but not downstream (it's only in gtk4, not gtk3). And we have the main mutter+gnome-control-center fixes downstream, but not upstream. I've tried to upstream as much as possible. Phoronix already made a news article about our request for that getting rejected.

 14:09 <seb128> * Crashes not getting reported:

 14:09 <seb128> - The apport fix for missing crash files has finally been released (last night). So hopefully now in 18.04 we will get a better picture of gnome-shell crashes: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746874

 14:09 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1746874 in apport (Ubuntu Bionic) "gnome-shell and Xwayland sometimes leave $HOME/core files (should be /var/crash files)" [High,Fix released]

 14:09 <seb128> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.

 14:09 <seb128> - gnome-shell: Only just treading water in being able to close bugs as fast as they open. I'm concerned we won't be able to keep up as well when the release happens, because gnome-shell is where most of the bug traffic is.

 14:09 <seb128> - gnome-session: I did a quick cleanup of some old bugs (only as far back as quantal), which you can see in the chart. More could be done still.

 14:09 <seb128> - xorg: Continues to grow. I'm already subscribed to too many other things to look after that one :/

 14:09 <seb128> 

 14:10 <seb128> (quite some summary from Daniel as usual ;)

 14:10 <seb128> (giving a min for us to digest it)

 14:10 <seb128> he has no milestoned bug atm

 14:10 <seb128> k, next, I hope the buffer went through by now

 14:11 <seb128> #topic jbicha

 14:11 <seb128> jbicha, hey

 14:11 <jbicha> • Started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes -- please add features and important changes

 14:11 <jbicha> • GNOME Games & Documents apps were updated to 3.28 (needed late NEW processing)

 14:11 <jbicha> • ubiquity UIFE in progress LP: #1758082

 14:11 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1758082 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update ubiquity's Minimal Install page to match the spec" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758082

 14:11 <jbicha> • rhythmbox update LP: #1752966

 14:11 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1752966 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Please Merge 3.4.2-2 from Debian (Fix use of mediakeys D-Bus API)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752966

 14:11 <jbicha> • Sponsored translation fixes for GunnarHJ LP: #1756982 LP: #1756205 LP: #1751261 (last one is sync because he forwarded fix to Debian)

 14:11 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1756982 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Show correct app name also in non-English sessions" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756982

 14:11 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1756205 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Can't input Chinese characters in daily built" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756205

 14:11 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1751261 in gettext (Ubuntu) "libgweather-locations.pot generation fails with bionic meson" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751261

 14:11 <jbicha> • Split gnome-terminal-nautilus to separate binary pkg so that it is correctly installable and uninstallable from the Nautilus page in GNOME Software

 14:11 <jbicha> • Made the first page of GNOME Initial Setup nicer (although I guess this may be obsolete soon with Robert's in-progress overhaul)

 14:11 <jbicha> • Dropped totem from minimal install to allow users to more easily use vlc or gnome-mpv or whatever

 14:11 <jbicha> • Dealt with python3-distutils fallout

 14:11 <jbicha> • Tagged some incoming bugs to discuss in AOB

 14:11 <jbicha> • Removed xchat-gnome which made some people unhappy LP: #1758163

 14:11 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1758163 in xchat-gnome (Ubuntu) "Please remove xchat-gnome from Ubuntu (again)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758163

 14:11 <jbicha> • Removed gksu from Debian which will make other people unhappy https://jeremy.bicha.net/2018/03/21/gksu-is-dead/

 14:11 <jbicha> • The last things keeping gtk2 in main are Thunderbird (expected to be fixed in ESR 60), gparted, and 3 input methods

 14:11 <jbicha> • darkxst is now an official Debian Maintainer. Congraulations!

 14:11 <jbicha> • darkxst also updated our pcre2 patches so GNOME Builder 3.28 is in bionic too

 14:12 <jbicha> ⏰

 14:12 <seb128> good work despite making people unhappy on the way :p

 14:12 <seb128> and no milestoned bug it seems

 14:12 <seb128> next

 14:12 <seb128> #topic jamesh

 14:13 <seb128> no summary from him this week it seems :/

 14:13 <seb128> kenvandine, can you remind him to put a calendar reminder for those or something?

 14:13 <kenvandine> yes

 14:13 <seb128> thx

 14:13 <seb128> #topic jibel/heber

 14:13 <seb128> jibel, hey

 14:13 <jibel> hi

 14:13 <jibel> - Turn off snap refresh on live session (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1723094)

 14:13 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1723094 in snapd "Live images should be able to turn off Snap updates" [Medium,Confirmed]

 14:13 <jibel> - Reviewed and merge several MPs for automated tests.

 14:13 <jibel> - Triaging / debugging of upgrade and installation bugs

 14:13 <jibel> - Turn off gnome-software service in live session (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1758920)

 14:13 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1758920 in casper (Ubuntu Bionic) "Disable gnome-software service on live session" [Medium,Triaged]

 14:13 <jibel> - Reviewing MP for ubiquity - telemetry and update of the “Updates and other software” page

 14:13 <jibel> eof

 14:14 <seb128> the live session one is your only milestoned bug

 14:14 <seb128> thanks jibel!

 14:14 <jibel> yes

 14:14 <seb128> #topic kenvandine

 14:14 <seb128> kenvandine, hey

 14:14 * kenvandine waves

 14:14 <kenvandine> * Updated the default-provider for all the GNOME snaps to specify <SNAP> rather than <SNAP>:<SLOT>

 14:14 <kenvandine> * Worked on a better fix for XDG user-dirs https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/103

 14:14 <kenvandine> - This gives us translated directories without the need for symlinks, however they will fall back to symlinking if needed

 14:14 <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 103 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "If the user-dirs.* exists in the $REALHOME, link them into the snap's XDG_CONFIG_HOME." (comments: 1) [Open]

 14:14 <kenvandine> * Did some testing on the bindtextdomain LDPRELOAD branch, not needed for snaps using the GNOME platform snap or anything built with the backports PPA.  But does solve the problem for firefox and others building against the GTK in 16.04 proper.

 14:14 <kenvandine> * No bionic milestoned bugs

 14:14 <kenvandine> ⚾

 14:15 <seb128> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=ken-vandine disagrees with that statement

 14:15 <seb128> bug #1750995

 14:15 <kenvandine> hmmm

 14:15 <ubot5> bug 1750995 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Bionic) "Logging out live session takes several minutes" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750995

 14:15 <Laney> busted

 14:15 <seb128> :)

 14:15 <kenvandine> ok, my profile page doesn't list any bugs :)

 14:15 <seb128> that url ^ is handy

 14:16 <seb128> well replace with your name :)

 14:16 <kenvandine> i was going to look into that bug because my laptop seemed to be experiencing it as well

 14:16 <kenvandine> but it's not anymore

 14:16 <kenvandine> it logs out quickly now

 14:16 <seb128> :/

 14:16 <Laney> did you try a live session?

 14:16 <Laney> that's what the bug title says

 14:16 <kenvandine> nope, i know

 14:16 <seb128> k, homework for you then :)

 14:17 <kenvandine> in BUD we thought i might have a reproducer in the installed session, it was taking several minutes to logout

 14:17 <kenvandine> magically went away

 14:17 <seb128> could have to do with network timeouts or something, who knows

 14:17 <jibel> shy bug, you scared it

 14:17 <kenvandine> i'll look at the live session

 14:17 <seb128> anyway it sounds like it needs more investigation, let's see what's the status next week

 14:17 <seb128> thanks kenvandine

 14:18 <seb128> #topic Laney

 14:18 <seb128> Laney, hey

 14:18 <Laney> hi

 14:18 <Laney> I was typing some stuff and then my gnome-shell crashed

 14:18 <Laney> so lost some of it

 14:18 <Laney> sry

 14:18 <Laney> • autopkgtest: we had some fallout from an upstream change which broke our -proposed pinning, Steve worked around that and I tried to fix upstream, first attempt was wrong and needs another go

 14:18 <Laney> • autopkgtest 2: an openvswitch SRU exposed a bug in the upgrade process, worked a bit with IS to help get enough information to file a bug for that

 14:18 <Laney> • reviewed / fed back / crushed / packaged the default wallpapers

 14:18 <Laney> • reviewed / uploaded jibel's casper change to delay snapd refresh in live sessions

 14:18 <Laney> • pkged gstreamer 1.14 final

 14:18 <Laney> • helped Gunnar with some g-c-c fixes

 14:18 <Laney> • https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1747717 - not in a position to reproduce due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1750465, will keep an eye

 14:18 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1747717 in gnome-menus (Ubuntu Bionic) "package gnome-menus 3.13.3-11ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: triggers looping, abandoned - gnome-menus -> ufw" [High,Confirmed]

 14:18 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1750465 in ubuntu-mate-artwork (Ubuntu Artful) "upgrade attempting to process triggers out of order (package plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text 0.9.2-3ubuntu17 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving triggers unprocessed)" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 14:18 <Laney> • https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1750846 - worked on that, still confused, might need someone else to look with me

 14:18 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1750846 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Bionic) "several g-s-d services are timing out when booting a live session" [High,Confirmed]

 14:18 <Laney> 🕒

 14:18 <seb128> the price to pay for staying under the wayland session :p

 14:19 <jibel> you don't need wayland to make it crash

 14:19 <seb128> the shell crashing should take your session/apps down under xorg though

 14:20 <seb128> Laney, the plymouth fix that landed is not enough for unblocking the gnome-menus one?

 14:20 <Laney> no

 14:20 <seb128> k, I need to nag Steve about that one then :p

 14:20 <Laney> no gnome-shell core dump

 14:20 <Laney> I just asked in #ubuntu-devel

 14:20 <seb128> thx

 14:21 <seb128> #topic oSoMoN

 14:21 <seb128> oh, and thanks Laney :)

 14:21 <seb128> oSoMoN, hey

 14:21 <oSoMoN> hey

 14:21 <oSoMoN> • firefox

 14:21 <oSoMoN> ∘ fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1444313 (setting as default browser in snap fails) landed but Ken identified another issue: the firefox snap ships a copy of xdg-settings in usr/bin, which overrides the one in the core snap (this was fixed by him a while ago but somehow never propagated to the right branch)

 14:21 <ubot5> Mozilla bug 1444313 in Shell Integration "setting as default browser in snap fails" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]

 14:21 <ubot5-ng> bugzilla.mozilla.org bug 1444313 in Shell Integration "setting as default browser in snap fails" [Normal, Resolved: Fixed] - Assigned to olivier

 14:21 <ubot5> bug 1444313 in openstack-ansible "Incorrect ownership of /var/log/mysql" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444313

 14:21 <oSoMoN> • chromium

 14:21 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated debs and snap in stable channel to 65.0.3325.181

 14:21 <oSoMoN> ∘ working on build failures in beta and dev channels, and investigating upstream change impacting widevine in dev branch

 14:22 <oSoMoN> • libreoffice

 14:22 <oSoMoN> ∘ pushed 6.0.3 RC1 snap to the candidate channel, and issued call for testing (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-6-0-3/4604)

 14:22 <oSoMoN> ∘ preparing 5.4.6 SRU for artful

 14:22 <oSoMoN> • other

 14:22 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed and fixed bug #1757204 and bug #1757261

 14:22 <cyphermox> willcooke: have we had animals to put on the slideshow yet?

 14:22 <ubot5> bug 1757204 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "libindicator is not multi-arch aware" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757204

 14:22 <ubot5> bug 1757261 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "libindicator FTBFS on bionic" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757261

 14:22 <oSoMoN> ∘ created https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3211 to land multi-arch awareness for libindicator and libappindicator: upstream chromium will soon require it

 14:22 <oSoMoN> ∘ no bionic milestoned bug

 14:22 <oSoMoN> 🌻

 14:22 <cyphermox> oh my, sorry, I didn't realize you were in a meeting

 14:22 <willcooke> cyphermox, yeah, got the final ones yesterday.  Will do slideshow tomorrow

 14:22 <cyphermox> ta

 14:23 <seb128> thanks oSoMoN!

 14:23 <seb128> #topic seb128

 14:24 <seb128> • was on holidays for most of the week

 14:24 <seb128> • spent friday catching up on things that happened during my holidays

 14:24 <seb128> • debugged/fixed gnome-photos autopkgtest

 14:24 <seb128> • looked at some packages blocked in proposed, poked some people about some issues

 14:24 <seb128> • trello board review & updates

 14:24 <seb128> • incoming bugs triaging

 14:24 <seb128> • got the bolt 0.2 update ready

 14:24 <seb128> • milestoned bugs

 14:24 <seb128> ∘ bug #1726143, I didn't start on that one yet, for this week or next

 14:24 <ubot5> bug 1726143 in nautilus-share (Ubuntu Bionic) "Automatic installation of samba fails with "could not find package libpam-smbpass"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1726143

 14:24 <seb128> ∘ bug #1756378, I can reproduce locally and I started debugging

 14:24 <ubot5> bug 1756378 in udisks2 (Ubuntu Bionic) "Udisks2 flacky test (regression from 2.7)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756378

 14:24 <seb128> </week>

 14:25 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 14:25 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, are you around already?

 14:25 <seb128> probably not

 14:25 * Laney wonders where tkamppeter is?

 14:25 <Laney> somewhere exotic?

 14:26 <seb128> Brazil?

 14:26 <Laney> not unless he's visiting

 14:26 <kenvandine> Austria these days

 14:26 <Laney> ya

 14:26 <seb128> oh ok

 14:26 <Laney> i.e. NO EXCUSE!

 14:26 <seb128> ahah

 14:26 <seb128> :)

 14:26 <seb128> anyway, next!

 14:26 <seb128> #topic Trevinho

 14:26 <seb128> who is also not here, but he sent his summary

 14:26 <seb128> · Theme changes (all landed, a part from last change):

 14:26 <seb128> - Rewritten Ambiance-rw placssidebar to be simpler, more themeable and customizable and to be able to import it easily to support RTL languages:

 14:26 <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/places-sidebar-button-theming/+merge/341925

 14:26 <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/popover-tip-fix/+merge/341916

 14:26 <seb128> - Refactor of the window indicators theming, using svgs instead and scaled images to fix their usability and adding some padding to help clicking on them:

 14:27 <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/windowbuttons-bg-and-padding/+merge/342171

 14:27 <seb128> - Other theming stuff:

 14:27 <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/rtl-linked-buttons-fix/+merge/341881

 14:27 <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/list-theming/+merge/341003

 14:27 <seb128> · Fixed a mutter hidpi + SSD decorations issue:

 14:27 <seb128> - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/58

 14:27 <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 58 in mutter "theme: Scale titlebar spacing when computing x" (comments: 1) [Opened]

 14:27 <seb128> · In the works (done, but need to cleanup) a fix for gtk to properly scale

 14:27 <seb128> -gtk-scaled images when they are used from style context (as mutter does with decorations)

 14:27 <seb128> · Couple of stable releases for the telegram-desktop snap

 14:27 <seb128> · Review of ken's desktop helpers branch:

 14:27 <seb128> - https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/103

 14:27 <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 103 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "If the user-dirs.* exists in the $REALHOME, link them into the snap's XDG_CONFIG_HOME." (comments: 1) [Open]

 14:27 <seb128> · And some fun in my spare time to make the ubuntu-bot in this channel to support github and gitlab (added official, salsa and gnome so far), that you might have noticed during this meeting too:

 14:27 <seb128> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-bots/github-support/+merge/342155

 14:27 <seb128> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-bots/gitlab-support/+merge/342164

 14:27 <seb128> · Had a talk at MERGE-it (a first time to try to meet all local FLOSS communities all together and in the same place) about Ubuntu and what

 14:27 <seb128> we're doing. Here's my slides:

 14:27 <seb128> https://github.com/merge-it/2018/blob/master/sito/content/talks/il-futuro-di-ubuntu/slides.pdf

 14:27 <seb128> he also wrote about bug #1756826 which is only milestoned bug

 14:27 <ubot5> bug 1756826 in nautilus (Ubuntu Bionic) "hangs when locate search provider matches a lot of files" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756826

 14:27 <seb128> "there's some debugging to do in the locale

 14:27 <seb128> search as per Laney's report and to cleanup the recent-files manager

 14:27 <seb128> patch as upstream wants it too."

 14:28 <seb128> said differently he didn't look at it yet

 14:28 <seb128> thanks Trevinho!

 14:28 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell

 14:28 <seb128> - Fixing translation issues in new GNOME Software Permissions dialog

 14:28 <seb128> - Reduce server queries for snap information (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/3.28.0-0ubuntu5)

 14:28 <seb128> - Load installed snap icons from desktop files (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/commit/5c6da1249e7f708f7fa5ed7ff623cafb092bb4af)

 14:28 <seb128> - Backporting GNOME Software categories to 16.04 (https://gitlab.gnome.org/robert.ancell/gnome-software/tree/categories-3-20)

 14:28 <seb128> - Working on Ubuntu pages for a first run wizard (https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-initial-setup/log/?h=wip/rancell/ubuntu-welcome)

 14:29 <seb128> dgadomski, tkamppeter, did one of you arrive?

 14:29 <Laney> It's odd that that thing is a branch of g-i-s

 14:29 <Laney> it's going to be a proper fork and not a big distro patch right?

 14:29 <seb128> yes

 14:29 <Laney> ok good

 14:30 <jbicha> gnome-initial-setup allows for optional pages so it might even be upstreamable

 14:30 <seb128> kenvandine, ^ did you talk to Robert about that?

 14:30 <jbicha> I chatted very briefly with Robert about it

 14:30 <kenvandine> i did

 14:30 <seb128> kenvandine, he's going to upload it as a new package/source right?

 14:30 <seb128> no distro patch g-i-s?

 14:30 <seb128> not*

 14:30 <kenvandine> he said it's easier to keep it as a big patch, especially if at some point we might want to ship g-i-s, but we could decide later

 14:30 <kenvandine> he's keeping it mergable, basically

 14:31 <kenvandine> we can totally upload it as a new package

 14:31 <seb128> well the pages are subdirs

 14:31 <kenvandine> but haven't gotten to that point yet

 14:31 <seb128> k, let's rediscuss that out of the meeting

 14:31 <seb128> I don't think we need everyone to have the discussion

 14:31 <kenvandine> indeed

 14:31 <seb128> or that we need to sort it out now

 14:31 <seb128> k, good

 14:31 <seb128> so next

 14:31 <seb128> #topic rls-bb-incomings bugs review

 14:31 <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html

 14:32 <seb128> on the unknown section the 3 first ones are under desktop/dx so we come back to them in a bit

 14:32 <seb128> bug #1758712

 14:32 <ubot5> bug 1758712 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "GNOME Builder Omnibar theming issue with Ambiance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758712

 14:33 <seb128> (I subscribed desktop-packages to ubuntu-themes now, hopefully it make that listed under desktop on next refresh)

 14:33 <jbicha> so Builder is a universe package, but it's high profile so I thought it might be worth looking into

 14:34 <jbicha> upstream was upset earlier that the app looked really bad with Ambiance, but it's more useful now that listbox theming is improved

 14:34 <seb128> I saw the upstream twitter, tried to ping him on IRC to tell that bug reports are a better place than twitter to report issues

 14:34 <seb128> especially when he doesn't describe the issue

 14:35 <seb128> anyway, yes, agreed, it would be nice to fix

 14:35 <seb128> I guess that's one for our theme master, Trevinho, unless somebody else wants to take it?

 14:35 <seb128> sounds like not, so it's for trevinho

 14:36 <tkamppeter> hi

 14:36 <Laney> :D

 14:36 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, we are doing bug review, I come back to you after that section

 14:37 <seb128> bug #1724439

 14:37 <ubot5> bug 1724439 in Mutter "gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_window_get_monitor() from ffi_call_unix64() from ffi_call() from gjs_invoke_c_function() from function_call()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724439

 14:37 <seb128> duflu commented on that pointed to upstrema fixed in progress

 14:37 <seb128> I'm going to assign that to him

 14:38 <seb128> bug #1754671

 14:38 <ubot5> bug 1754671 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754671

 14:38 <seb128> does anyone want to look at n-m?

 14:38 <seb128> according to willcooke cyphermox is too busy to poke at that one

 14:39 <jbicha> soyrry, not me either (the dropped patch was before my time) & I don't really have expertise there

 14:39 <willcooke> yeah, spoke to awe about it as well.  His suggestion is that we try and get the patch upstream, but it's for a really old version, so needs someone to try and port it

 14:39 <willcooke> or ask upstream to help port it

 14:39 <seb128> well the upstream report on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746422 has quite some discussion/material

 14:39 <ubot5> Gnome bug 746422 in IP and DNS config "[CVE-2018-1000135] Unencrypted DNS queries leaked outside full-tunnel VPN" [Normal,New]

 14:39 <ubot5-ng> bugzilla.gnome.org bug 746422 in IP and DNS config "[CVE-2018-1000135] Unencrypted DNS queries leaked outside full-tunnel VPN" [Normal, New] - Assigned to networkmanager-maint

 14:39 <ubot5> bug 746422 in Odoo Addons (MOVED TO GITHUB) "[6.1 trunk] [hr_timesheet_sheet] : You can not sign in from an other date than today" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746422

 14:39 <seb128> they commited what they consider half of a solution

 14:40 <seb128> and are arguing on the second half

 14:40 <seb128> ok, let's me randomly pick somebody then :p

 14:40 <seb128> oSoMoN, do you think you could spare some hours to read the upstream comments/try to figure out the status?

 14:40 <seb128> sorry to pick on you :)

 14:41 <oSoMoN> seb128, I can try

 14:41 <seb128> thx!

 14:41 <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN

 14:41 <seb128> bug #1758035

 14:41 <ubot5> bug 1758035 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[regression] gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in g_realloc_n() from g_log_structured()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1758035

 14:42 <seb128> duflu think from timing that it might be a side effect of new glib

 14:42 <seb128> I guess that's probably for duflu/trevinho unless Laney you want to have a look from the glib angle?

 14:43 <seb128> I assign it to duflu for now, feel free to help him if you feel like you have a clue what could be going on

 14:43 <Laney> it doesn't really have many details

 14:43 <Laney> he can reassign it if he finds out more

 14:43 <seb128> right

 14:44 <seb128> bug #1735929

 14:44 <ubot5> bug 1735929 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "security problems with incorrect permissions for ubuntu 17.10" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735929

 14:44 <seb128> I can take on this one

 14:44 <seb128> bug #1748450

 14:44 <ubot5> bug 1748450 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler(message="Connection to xwayland lost") from g_logv() from g_log() from <bug 1505409>" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748450

 14:45 <seb128> "Connection to xwayland lost"

 14:45 <seb128> that's wayland specific then

 14:45 <seb128> and it lacks details due to apport issues, Daniel hope that the recent apport changes might lead to actual report of the xwayland issue

 14:46 <seb128> I would suggest rls-bb-notfixing that one

 14:46 <Laney> ok

 14:46 <seb128> the issue is xwayland not gnome-shell, we can target the new reports when we get them

 14:46 <seb128> thx

 14:46 <Laney> close it altogether then?

 14:47 <seb128> let me talk to duflu about that tomorrow

 14:47 <seb128> I don't want to upset him

 14:47 <seb128> I commented/tagged meanwhile

 14:48 <seb128> bug #1757321

 14:48 <ubot5> bug 1757321 in udisks2 (Ubuntu) "udisks2 must depend on libblockdev-crypto2 and libblockdev-mdraid2 instead of suggests [Can't mount encrypted USB drive after upgrade to bionic]" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757321

 14:48 <Laney> we can't do anything about that

 14:48 <seb128> right

 14:48 <Laney> apart from nag the MIR and security team

 14:48 <Laney> so it's not really within our control

 14:48 <seb128> so what's the right status?

 14:48 <Laney> dunno, I don't see how we can commit to it through the rls process

 14:49 <Laney> needs to be worked as a Canonical management issue if it's to be prioiritised probably

 14:49 <jbicha> jibel said we need the mdraid plugin too which requires an additional (maybe 2) MIRs (see my latest comments on that bug)

 14:49 <Laney> spelling

 14:49 <Laney> yes but we can't work MIR bugs through the rls process

 14:49 <seb128> that leads to bug #1754422 though

 14:49 <ubot5> bug 1754422 in volume-key (Ubuntu) "[MIR] volume-key" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754422

 14:49 <seb128> where we can help

 14:50 <didrocks> I'm afraid that the biggest blocker is the security side of those MIR

 14:50 <seb128> they looked at it

 14:50 <seb128> but tests are failing

 14:50 <Laney> it is not clear if that is a requirement

 14:50 <seb128> and we don't fail the build on failing tests

 14:50 <Laney> there is no security review

 14:50 <seb128> so I guess somebody needs to investigate those tests issues

 14:50 <Laney> so even if the tests are made to pass somehow it is still blocked

 14:50 <didrocks> I don't see security comments on it

 14:50 <seb128> right

 14:50 <seb128> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/volume-key/+bug/1754422/comments/3

 14:50 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1754422 in volume-key (Ubuntu) "[MIR] volume-key" [Undecided,Incomplete]

 14:51 <didrocks> ah, the second one, not the first one

 14:51 <seb128> does anybody want to poke at those tests?

 14:51 <Laney> he just built it and pasted the output, this isn't really that helpful

 14:51 <seb128> I think they are going to at least want to know why it's fine to have them failing

 14:51 <seb128> or to have them fixed

 14:52 <Laney> This process sucks

 14:52 <Laney> If there was no testsuite there wouldn't be a problem

 14:52 <Laney> So you are punished for having one really

 14:52 <seb128> well maybe I'm assuming things

 14:52 <seb128> and they are not going to ask for details

 14:52 <seb128> anyway, let's skip that item for now

 14:53 <jbicha> some upstreams have test suites that they know are broken, but no one has asked upstream here about it yet

 14:53 <seb128> and I try to sort it out with willcooke to see if we can bribe the security team into doing extra reviews

 14:53 <seb128> jbicha, can you ask upstream maybe?

 14:53 <jbicha> I can file a bug at least, yes

 14:53 <seb128> thx

 14:53 <seb128> that will do for now

 14:53 <seb128> next

 14:53 <seb128> bug #1672297

 14:53 <ubot5> bug 1672297 in mutter (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell uses lots of memory, and grows over time" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672297

 14:53 <didrocks> #metabug

 14:54 <seb128> duflu assigned himself

 14:54 <seb128> so I'm just going to milestone and untag

 14:54 <Laney> is this the dramabug

 14:54 <willcooke> yeah

 14:54 <Laney> can we really commit to fixing that in our team?

 14:54 <seb128> Daniel is good at poking and surfacing issues

 14:54 <Laney> upstream have a performance hackfest coming up

 14:54 <seb128> let him do his thing :)

 14:54 <Laney> we probably just get the fixes from there

 14:54 <seb128> right, Trevinho is going

 14:55 <Laney> yes

 14:55 <seb128> so let's assume it's being handled between duflu & Trevinho

 14:55 <Laney> I don't know what the rls outcome is though

 14:55 <Laney> ...

 14:55 <Laney> ok then...

 14:55 <seb128> I milestoned/assigned to duflu

 14:55 <seb128> he can give us status updates in the next week

 14:55 <seb128> works for you?

 14:56 <Laney> no, I think rls bugs should be actionable and clear

 14:56 <Laney> but it's not really up to me]

 14:56 <seb128> ok, I talk to him tomorrow to know if there is a specific leak he's concerned about

 14:56 <seb128> or if he wants to finish some investigation

 14:56 <seb128> and we define what to do then

 14:56 <seb128> k?

 14:56 <seb128> let's sync up with him on the channel in the morning

 14:57 <seb128> and let's keep moving, hour is closing!

 14:57 <seb128> bug #1753078

 14:57 <ubot5> bug 1753078 in libgtop2 (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in dump_gjs_stack_on_signal_handler() from __GI_raise() from __GI_abort() from glibtop_error_io_vr() from glibtop_error_io_r() from file_to_buffer() from glibtop_get_cpu_s()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753078

 14:57 <seb128> jibel tagged it

 14:57 <seb128> it's an issue due to a third party extension

 14:57 <seb128> so I don't know if that deserves to be milestoned?

 14:58 <didrocks> +1

 14:58 <seb128> jibel, do have e.u.c metrics telling us it's important enough that we should work on it?

 14:58 <didrocks> well, ideally, it shouldn't crash G-S, but I think not something we should tackle on our side

 14:59 <jibel> seb128, not this one, I tagged it because libgtop was involved

 14:59 <seb128> Trevinho is looking at making the shell robust when it can and fixing errors

 14:59 <jibel> and well ... because my system crashed several times :)

 15:00 <seb128> k, let's keep it on the list, I'm going to have a look at where the issue is/if that's something we should fix in libgtop

 15:00 <seb128> we can rediscuss it next week once we have more context

 15:00 <seb128> bug #1750403

 15:00 <ubot5> bug 1750403 in casper (Ubuntu) "Live Session - Increased memory usage with preinstalled snap (fails to start with - gnome-session timeout)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750403

 15:01 <seb128> jibel, do you want to own that one?

 15:01 <seb128> since you started poking at it and raising issues to the snap team

 15:02 <jibel> seb128, sure

 15:02 <seb128> thx

 15:02 <seb128> bug #1754125

 15:02 <ubot5> bug 1754125 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox stays running in the background after quit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754125

 15:02 <willcooke> I'm now -1 on dropping those patches.

 15:02 <didrocks> that was a design request

 15:03 <didrocks> mpt, in 2009

 15:03 <seb128> jbicha, I don't think that's important enough to be milestoned

 15:03 <jbicha> from yesterday, it sounded like mpt was fine with the patch being dropped now though

 15:03 <didrocks> (first for Ubuntu Netbook Remix, and then on ubuntu itself)

 15:03 <willcooke> You still have control via the the whateveritscalled where the notifications go

 15:03 <Laney> stop

 15:03 <seb128> didrocks, one argument was that the indicator under unity was part of the playing experience but that it is not the same under GNOME

 15:03 <Laney> you should discuss the actual bug outside of the meeting

 15:03 <didrocks> seb128: true

 15:03 <jbicha> ok, we could defer for 18.10 anyway

 15:03 <willcooke> what laney said

 15:03 <willcooke> untag and move on

 15:04 <seb128> I proposed rls-bb-notfixing

 15:04 <Laney> yep

 15:04 <seb128> we can discuss it more later

 15:04 <seb128> thx

 15:04 <jbicha> thanks

 15:04 <seb128> bug #1756006

 15:04 <ubot5> bug 1756006 in systemd (Ubuntu) "FFe: Support suspend-to-hibernate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756006

 15:05 <jbicha> I added the tag because it's requesting that we grab an unreviewed g-s-d patch

 15:05 <seb128> same, I think we should discuss/review it

 15:05 <seb128> but it's an AOB topic

 15:05 <jbicha> maybe this hasn't been discussed with the Desktop Team yet??!

 15:05 <seb128> not a rls-bb bug

 15:05 <willcooke> I agree seb128

 15:05 <seb128> not it hasn't

 15:05 <seb128> let's discuss it off meeting

 15:05 <jbicha> ok

 15:06 <jibel> seb128, re errors.u.c and gnome-shell, lot of crashes fail to retrace so maybe the libgtop issue is buried somewhere there. For instance https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2018.04&package=gnome-shell&period=month

 15:06 <seb128> jibel, did you talk to bdmurray about those retracers failures see if we can get them sorted out?

 15:06 <seb128> bug #1755514

 15:06 <ubot5> bug 1755514 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "Clicking the "Additional Printer Settings…" button launches system-config-printer multiple times" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755514

 15:07 <seb128> that sounds like a bug worth fixing for tkamppeter

 15:07 <seb128> but not a release concern

 15:07 <didrocks> yes

 15:07 <seb128> untagging/assigned to tkamppeter?

 15:07 <seb128> not milestoned

 15:07 <tkamppeter> seb128, this is most probably not in system-config-printer but in gnome-control-center.

 15:07 <Laney> heheh

 15:07 <seb128> right, but it's probably easy to fix

 15:08 <Laney> that bug is funny

 15:08 <seb128> and an opportunity to learn some GTK :)

 15:08 <didrocks> yeah, I guess an easy introductionary bug for a GTK beginner :)

 15:08 <jbicha> you want more printer settings? ok, here's more!!

 15:08 <Laney> It might actually be one worth taking though

 15:08 <Laney> easy and we shouldn't release with it if possible

 15:08 <Laney> hopefully easy...

 15:08 <tkamppeter> seb128, To the printers part of g-c-c a button was added which should fire up s-c-p when clicking it, so that one can do adjustments which are not supported by g-c-c.

 15:09 <seb128> tkamppeter, well maybe s-c-p should not open again but focus the existing instance when called again?

 15:09 <kenvandine> yeah, focus existing instance

 15:09 <kenvandine> +1

 15:09 <tkamppeter> seb128, the problem here seems that if one clicks the button when s-c-p is already running, a second instance of s-c-p gets started, but what should happen is simply take the window of the running s-c-p to the front.

 15:10 <Laney> it certainly shouldn't launch 7 instances

 15:10 <Laney> NO

 15:10 <Laney> it launches it 7 times!

 15:10 <didrocks> Laney: only 3 for me :(

 15:10 <seb128> urg

 15:10 <Laney> haha

 15:10 <jbicha> I counted 5 :)

 15:10 <Laney> right but it's not "shouldn't launch new instances"

 15:10 <Laney> it's clear one click should launch a maximum of one new instance

 15:10 <Laney> maybe zero depending on the single instance semantics required

 15:11 <didrocks> well, 2 bugs anyway :) (or 1 bug, one feature request to be single-instance)

 15:11 <Laney> if s-c-p wants to be single instance it can implement that itself

 15:11 <Laney> the fix in g-c-c is to launch it once only

 15:11 <Laney> imo

 15:11 <seb128> wfm

 15:11 <didrocks> I guess we are all saying the same thing differently :)

 15:11 <Laney> so I do vote for taking it

 15:11 <Laney> fwiw

 15:11 <seb128> how can I nominate another chair for the meeting?

 15:11 <tkamppeter> This looks more like that as long as the button is held down it repeatedly launches s-c-p, meaning that how long a user holds down the left mouse button when doiung a single mouse click determines how many instances of s-c-p get started. This is clearly a bug of g-c-c.

 15:12 <Laney> #chair foo

 15:12 <seb128> #chair kenvandine willcooke

 15:12 <meetingology> Current chairs: kenvandine seb128 willcooke

 15:12 <seb128> kenvandine, willcooke, can you guys do that bug and bug #1759008

 15:12 <ubot5> bug 1759008 in ubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Revert automatic suspend by default for bionic?" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759008

 15:12 <seb128> and the AOB

 15:12 <seb128> ?

 15:12 <seb128> I need to go :/

 15:12 <seb128> that took longer than the hour

 15:12 <kenvandine> bye seb128!

 15:12 <seb128> thx

 15:12 <willcooke> cheers seb

 15:12 <seb128> I read the scrollback/comment once I'm back in half an hour

 15:12 <seb128> sorry

 15:13 <willcooke> k, so that auto suspend bug

 15:13 <tkamppeter> For the prevention of two distinct clicks starting s-c-p twice I also suggest to fix g-c-c. I think apps do not have to contain a protection against being started twice in itself.

 15:13 <seb128> willcooke, we didn't wrap on the previous one

 15:13 <willcooke> oh

 15:13 <seb128> Laney suggests to milestone

 15:13 <seb128> we should decide on that

 15:13 <seb128> (and bbl on that note)

 15:14 <kenvandine> tkamppeter, yes, that's probably an easy fix

 15:14 <willcooke> yeah, lets milestone.  tkamppeter are you OK to look in to it?

 15:14 <seb128> and for the record I vote +1 on disabling autosuspend by default, unless moving mouse/using keyboard wakes up the machine as it does on windows

 15:14 <kenvandine> but it's also probably desirable to make s-c-p single instance

 15:14 <kenvandine> 2 separate things

 15:15 <jbicha> seb128: what about on battery power?

 15:15 <willcooke> hold on, let's finish the printing one

 15:16 <Laney> ok I'll just nominate it

 15:16 <willcooke> thanks Laney, I was just about to

 15:16 <willcooke> but you carry on

 15:16 <willcooke> lets fix it

 15:16 <Laney> done

 15:17 <willcooke> ta

 15:17 <willcooke> Last one then I think

 15:17 <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+bug/1759008

 15:17 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1759008 in ubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Revert automatic suspend by default for bionic?" [Undecided,Confirmed]

 15:17 <jbicha> sorry for the long bug

 15:17 <jbicha> my proposal is we disable autosuspend for AC power and we also disable autosuspend in the live session

 15:18 <jbicha> not sure about Seb's opinion, but I think there is widespread support for the idea of autosuspend on battery power

 15:18 <willcooke> From an OEM perspective, they will probably have to have this on in order to meet energy star, but that's a different problem.  I'll speak to them about that.

 15:19 <jbicha> I believe Fedora is disabling in their live session and are still discussing whether to defer autosuspend-on-AC to Fedora 29 (in 6 months)

 15:19 <willcooke> Is there an associated setting to turn auto suspend off?

 15:20 <tkamppeter> bug 1755514 updated.

 15:20 <ubot5> bug 1755514 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Bionic) "Clicking the "Additional Printer Settings…" button launches system-config-printer multiple times" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755514

 15:20 <jbicha> willcooke: yes, the setting is in Settings > Power > Automatic Suspend. It just won't work for the login screen if no one is logged in graphically

 15:21 <tkamppeter> willcooke, kenvandine, best is if the fix could be done by the one who implemented the button or someone who generally works on g-c-c.

 15:21 <willcooke> My personal feeling is that auto suspend would be annoying.  So I'm +1 of reverting auto suspend

 15:21 <jbicha> we could also have a different default setting for GDM (it's just gsettings for the system GDM user basically)

 15:21 <kenvandine> tkamppeter, it's probably a really simple fix, i'll look at it

 15:22 <willcooke> plus there are likely to be other bugs crop up like the GNOME Disks one

 15:22 <willcooke> so I think it's safer to not auto suspend

 15:22 <tkamppeter> kenvandine, OK, thanks.

 15:23 <Laney> sorry to spoil the party, but we're supposed to be discussing if it should be milestoned

 15:23 <Laney> this meeting is alerady 1h23 long

 15:24 <jbicha> willcooke: running out of battery because your computer happily went from 100% to 0% is also annoying

 15:24 <Laney> and I think the answer is yes please

 15:24 <willcooke> Laney, yeah as the bug stands "revert auto suspend" then yes

 15:25 <willcooke> jbicha, in that case people can change their settings

 15:25 <willcooke> I've targetted it

 15:25 <willcooke> and I'll find someone to work on it

 15:25 <jbicha> willcooke: we should obviously do the right thing by default though

 15:25 <Laney> discuss it after!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 15:25 <jbicha> willcooke: you can assign me

 15:26 <willcooke> done thanks jbicha

 15:26 <willcooke> I think that's all then

 15:26 <willcooke> #topic AOB

 15:26 <willcooke> Anyone got anything that needs talking about right now?

 15:26 <jbicha> not from me

 15:26 <didrocks> nope

 15:26 <tkamppeter> My weekly items, or should I send them by e-mail?

 15:26 <Laney> just let's please try to keep the rls bug review going faster in future

 15:27 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter

 15:27 <Laney> - should we commit to fixing this bug for the release - yes or no, if yes, who

 15:27 <willcooke> tkamppeter, please paste

 15:27 <Laney> if it needs talking about, do it after

 15:27 <willcooke> Laney, +1 thanks

 15:27 <Laney> ok go

 15:27 <tkamppeter> - Milestone Bugs: Fix for the CUPS crash bug 1750514 (and some other crash bugs which I reported upstream later) will come with CUPS 2.2.7, to be released most probably tomorrow.

 15:27 <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: cups-browsed recognized CUPS queues via ipp://.../printers/<name> URI, now discovered that IPP printer HP LaserJet M1212nf uses such an URI, too (instead of the usual ipp://.../ipp/print), bug 1731417. Working on a fix (CUPS queue should be recognized by printer-type TXT field).

 15:27 <tkamppeter> - OpenPrinting Summit 2018: Booked the travel, invited speakers, Michael Vrhel from Ghostscript/MuPDF and Sean Kau from Chrome OS.

 15:27 <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Reviewed student's proposal drafts. All the 8 pre-selected OpenPrinting students have submitted their final proposal to Google.

 15:27 <ubot5> bug 1750514 in cups (Ubuntu Bionic) "cupsd (11) ippCopyAttribute → copy_attrs → copy_printer_attrs → get_printer_attrs → cupsdProcessIPPRequest" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750514

 15:27 <ubot5> bug 1731417 in hplip (Ubuntu) "Installed network printer removed automatically when turned off" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731417

 15:27 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.

 15:27 <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter

 15:27 <willcooke> #endmeeting



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