14:30 <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-03-13
14:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 13 14:30:25 2018 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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14:30 <kenvandine> Roll call:  andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
14:30 <oSoMoN> o/
14:30 <jbicha> o/
14:30 <Trevinho> \o
14:30 <jibel> *\o/*
14:31 <andyrock> o/
14:31 <didrocks> hey
14:31 <kenvandine> seb128 is going to be a few minutes late
14:32 <oSoMoN> jibel, in a cheerleader mood?
14:32 <kenvandine> lol
14:32 <jibel> yeah, it's like spring today after months of rain
14:32 <kenvandine> hopefully everyone is happily back at home and well rested
14:32 <kenvandine> jibel, yay
14:32 <kenvandine> lets get started
14:32 <kenvandine> #topic andyrock
14:32 <andyrock> hey!
14:32 <andyrock> # Gnome-control-center:
14:32 <andyrock> - MP for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794012
14:32 <andyrock> # Gnome-Software:
14:32 <andyrock> - MP https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/25
14:32 <andyrock> - MP https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/26
14:32 <andyrock> # Snapd:
14:32 <andyrock> - MP for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1721735
14:32 <ubot5`> Gnome bug 794012 in Online Accounts "Re-add "add" command-line option" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
14:32 <andyrock> # software-properties
14:32 <andyrock> - WIP to support gnome-online-accuonts to enable livepatch
14:32 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1721735 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "UbuntuOne auth dialog is displayed when polkit auth dialog is dismissed" [High,In progress]
14:33 <andyrock> eow
14:33 <kenvandine> thx andyrock
14:33 <kenvandine> #topic dgadomski
14:33 <dgadomski> hey
14:33 <dgadomski> * working on bug #1749289 and bug #1755490
14:33 <ubot5`> bug 1749289 in oem-config (Ubuntu) "Installer stops after pressing Cancel on Select a language screen during OEM install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749289
14:33 <ubot5`> bug 1755490 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Incorrect information about display shown in unity-control-center" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755490
14:33 <dgadomski> eof
14:34 <kenvandine> thx dgadomski
14:34 <kenvandine> #topic didrocks
14:34 <didrocks> hey
14:34 <didrocks> * Ubiquity:
14:34 <didrocks> - minimal install option merged (and list generation finished by Laney, thanks!): https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/6588
14:34 <didrocks> - add telemetry installation info and tested it on gtk/KDE/noui/oem with, for each (due to matrix of potential breakage): manual install, partition reinstall, partition reuse (upgrade/reinstall keeping home/system info), full device, full disk with lvm, full disk with encryption use free space. Looks like after Laney's review (thanks again), it will be merged soon:
14:34 <didrocks> https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/intall-metrics/+merge/341229
14:34 <didrocks> * GNOME Shell:
14:34 <didrocks> - sync mutter and bump to 3.27.9x: rebase our theme on upstream theme breakages, adapt assets to ubuntu, rebase our patches and change build system options. Multiple commits on https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-shell/ubuntu/changes.
14:34 <didrocks> - minimal patch for protecting against default installed extensions to be updated via a 3rd parties: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-shell/ubuntu/revision/115. This the minimal patch set due to our propoal PR blocked upstream (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/1)
14:34 <didrocks> - rebased and reorder the commits order for sound volume design as requested upstream: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/2 no movement after this work being done though.
14:34 <didrocks> * GNOME Control Center:
14:34 <didrocks> - rebase and adapt sound patch to 3.27.9x: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu/revision/798
14:34 <didrocks> * CommuniTheme:
14:34 <didrocks> - discussed the decision that it would be unsafe to ship it for 18.04, announced and detailed the reasons on https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-participation-an-ubuntu-default-theme-lead-by-the-community/1545/643. Also, announce the snap idea to mitigate and get people installing it easily.
14:34 <didrocks> - debugged and adjust deps on packaging creating bugs on GTK2 apps being unthemed: https://github.com/Ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/pull/219 / https://github.com/Ubuntu/gnome-shell-communitheme/issues/61
14:34 <didrocks> - rebased on upstream build system changes: https://github.com/Ubuntu/gnome-shell-communitheme/pull/72 / https://github.com/Ubuntu/gnome-shell-communitheme/issues/71
14:34 <didrocks> - regular tracking of current work and feedback.
14:34 <didrocks> * Misc:
14:34 <didrocks> - some discussion around telemetry implementation, impacts and options.
14:34 <didrocks> - impact on g-c-c from sending the data. Read 17.10 whoopsie configuration implementation. Saw some bugs (wrong status reported) that we need to fix if linked to data collection).
14:34 <didrocks> - some AA work (newing)
14:34 <didrocks> eof
14:35 <kenvandine> thx didrocks
14:35 <kenvandine> #topic duflu
14:36 <kenvandine> ok, seems no duflu
14:36 <kenvandine> #topic jbicha
14:36 <jbicha> • Busy 2 weeks. Highlights! :
14:36 <jbicha> • Released GNOME 3.28 tarballs for gedit, gedit-plugins, gnome-tweaks and zenity
14:36 <jbicha> • Completed the post-FF transitions for evolution, gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-shell
14:36 <jbicha> • Sponsored a bunch of GNOME uploads to Debian for darkxst
14:36 <jbicha> • Pushed GunnarHJ's translations fix to libgweather upstream LP: #1753136
14:36 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1753136 in libgweather (Ubuntu) "Gettext package inconsistency" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753136
14:36 <jbicha> • Completed the post-FF transitions for evolution, gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-shell
14:36 <jbicha> • Sponsored a bunch of GNOME uploads to Debian for darkxst
14:36 <jbicha> • Pushed GunnarHJ's translations fix to libgweather upstream LP: #1753136
14:37 <jbicha> oops
14:37 <jbicha> • Identified the fix for Firefox & Thunderbird not showing in GNOME Software. (Especially affects Ubuntu Budgie which ships Chromium instead by default) LP: #1682455
14:37 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1682455 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "thunderbird not available in GNOME Software" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682455
14:37 <jbicha> • Nudged GNOME to accept willcooke's monospace wifi hotspot password fix. GNOME bug 785413
14:37 <ubot5`> Gnome bug 785413 in Network "WiFi-Hotspot password is hard to read with some fonts" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785413
14:37 <jbicha> • Updated software-properties & update-manager since the debconf GNOME backend switched to gtk3 LP: #1736618
14:37 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1736618 in debconf (Ubuntu) "debconf: Switch GNOME frontend to gtk3" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736618
14:37 <jbicha> • To recap: the first point release Ubuntu 18.04.1 is expected to not include gtk2 in default install (but present on ISO for extra input methods).
14:37 <jbicha> The initial 18.04 release will still have gtk2 for Thunderbird (presumed risky to remove gtk2 dependency before version 60)
14:37 <jbicha> • Added Ubuntu to the webkit2 user agent LP: #1751484
14:37 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1751484 in webkit2gtk (Ubuntu) "Captive portal browser/device misreported" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1751484
14:37 <jbicha> • Handled udisks2 and volume-key packaging tweaks needed for promotion to main
14:37 <jbicha> • Filed 2 more MIRs LP: #1753581 LP: #1754422
14:37 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1753581 in graphene (Ubuntu) "[MIR] graphene" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753581
14:37 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1754422 in volume-key (Ubuntu) "[MIR] volume-key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754422
14:37 <jbicha> • GNOME Terminal is back in the GNOME Software app after a long-standing licensing standoff.
14:37 <jbicha> 🤠
14:37 <kenvandine> yay for a gedit release!
14:38 <jbicha> not the maintainer!
14:38 <jbicha> (I hope)
14:38 <kenvandine> jbicha, you touched it last!
14:38 <kenvandine> we'll skip jamesh for now, seb128 might have a report from him
14:38 <kenvandine> #topic jibel/heber
14:38 <jibel> - Reviews of MPs of Ubiquity
14:38 <jibel> - Reviewed test results for Bionic Beta 1
14:38 <jibel> - Tested Firefox candidate
14:38 <jibel> - Debugging bug 1754174
14:38 <ubot5`> bug 1754174 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Lubuntu] "Install Lubuntu" fails with several commands not found and permission denied" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754174
14:39 <jibel> ..
14:39 <kenvandine> thx jibel
14:39 <kenvandine> #topic kenvandine
14:39 <kenvandine> * Fixed an issue with symlinks to xdg-user-dirs in the desktop helpers.  The links will now be set in the proper location regardless of $HOME being set to $SNAP_USER_DATA or $SNAP_USER_COMMON
14:39 <kenvandine> * Working on snap translations provided by libs, building off Laney's LDPRELOAD of bindtextdomain.
14:40 <kenvandine> #topic laney
14:40 <Laney> e
14:41 <Laney> (floating eye)
14:41 <Laney> • was off yesterday
14:41 <Laney> • sprinted last week, took a look at some remaining bionic stuff and had discussions with lots of people
14:41 <Laney> • started working on some updates - gstreamer 1.13.90, glib stack
14:41 <Laney> • light babysitting of autopkgtest, we had a possibly bad kernel this week on ppc64el
14:41 <Laney> • next tasks are
14:41 <Laney> ∘ finish those updates
14:41 <Laney> ∘ update lxd armhf runners for autopkgtest to have a better network config, after stgraber reviews
14:41 <Laney> ∘ look at Gunnar's stuff
14:41 <Laney> ∘ work on rls-bb-tracking bugs if any
14:41 <Laney> ∘ document the git/dep14 workflow a bit, at least the Ubuntu bits & file bugs for any tooling improvements that might help us (e.g. add & fetch the debian/upstream remotes)
14:41 <Laney> ∘ get back to systemd stuff
14:41 <Laney> 🕰️
14:41 <kenvandine> thx Laney
14:41 <kenvandine> #topic oSoMoN
14:41 <oSoMoN> hey
14:41 <oSoMoN> • firefox
14:41 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed and fixed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1444313 (setting as default browser in snap fails)
14:41 <ubot5`> Mozilla bug 1444313 in Shell Integration "setting as default browser in snap fails" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
14:42 <oSoMoN> • chromium
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated stable to 65.0.3325.146 (in bionic, built in PPA for trusty, xenial and artful and awaiting testing)
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ pushed 65.0.3325.146 snap to candidate channel and issued call for testing (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-chromium-65-0-3325-146/4390), it looks like the snap is broken again on NVIDIA hardware with proprietary drivers (18.04 only), this needs confirmation and investigation
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ looked into fully automating minor chromium updates
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ merged Ken's fix to pre-compile the mime database to speed up first start
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ fixed bug #1741078
14:42 <ubot5`> bug 1741078 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] Chromium fails to set itself as default browser" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741078
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ submitted https://github.com/Ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/100 (Move XDG_CACHE_HOME to $SNAP_USER_COMMON/.cache)
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed and fixed bug #1755463
14:42 <ubot5`> bug 1755463 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] Using basic (unencrypted) store for password storage" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755463
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ requested auto-connection of the password-manager-service and cups-control plugs (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/auto-connecting-the-camera-interface-for-the-chromium-snap/4014)
14:42 <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ Chris published 1:5.4.5-0ubuntu0.17.10.5 (artful SRU)
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ 6.0.2-0ubuntu1 in bionic (thanks Ken and Lan_ey!)
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ wrote complete manual test plan for new releases of libreoffice
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed and fix bug #1752166
14:42 <ubot5`> bug 1752166 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] GStreamer errors when inserting an audio/video clip" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752166
14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed and fixed bug #1755178
14:42 <ubot5`> bug 1755178 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] Math segfaults at startup on Ubuntu 16.04" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755178
14:42 <oSoMoN> 🐓
14:42 <oSoMoN> (recognize that rooster?)
14:42 <kenvandine> thx oSoMoN, so you fixed the segfault?
14:43 <kenvandine> kakas!
14:43 <seb128> ('Im back, sorry for being late)
14:43 <oSoMoN> yes, by getting rid of the libunity-gtk-module
14:43 <kenvandine> oSoMoN, and that still works fine in 16.04?
14:43 <oSoMoN> yes
14:43 <kenvandine> cool
14:43 <jibel> oSoMoN, where is the test plan for LO?
14:44 <oSoMoN> jibel, in a text file on my laptop, but I will share it
14:44 <jibel> okay, np :)
14:44 <kenvandine> :)
14:44 <kenvandine> moving on
14:44 <kenvandine> #topic seb128
14:44 <seb128> sorry still writing it, can you come back to me in a bit? ;)
14:44 <kenvandine> sure
14:44 <seb128> thx*
14:45 <kenvandine> #topic tkamppeter
14:45 <kenvandine> - Sprint in Budapest
14:45 <kenvandine> - CUPS snap: It is in the store now (Edge). Thanks very much to all who have helped me on the Sprint
14:45 <kenvandine> - QPDF: FFe for 8.x got approved. We have 8.0.2 in the distro now. This fixes bugs of some PDF files not printing and contains everything so that the students can finish Poppler-less bannertopdf and QPDF-based flattening of filled PDF forms (to remove our current Poppler/pdftocairo workaround).
14:45 <kenvandine> - HPLIP: Synced most current bug fix release from Debian.
14:45 <kenvandine> - Google Summer of Code 2018: List of project to be done this summer is determined, and also the mentors. Only one student needs still to be determined. Student application period at Google has opened.
14:45 <kenvandine> - Bugs.
14:45 <kenvandine> #topic trevinho
14:45 <Trevinho> · Had great time at Budapest Sprint with team!
14:45 <Trevinho> · Theme Fixes
14:45 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/list-theming
14:45 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/scour-dependency
14:45 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/backdrop-views
14:45 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/linked-items-fixes
14:45 <Trevinho> · Telegram snap updates (new edge revisions from upstream include
14:45 <Trevinho> my patches now, so give `--edge` a try):
14:45 <Trevinho> https://github.com/3v1n0/telegram-snap/commits/master
14:45 <Trevinho> · Fixed XDG dirs update tool to work properly env where $HOME is set
14:45 <Trevinho> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105398
14:45 <Trevinho> · Proposed fprintd fix upstream:
14:45 <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 105398 in General "xdg-user-dirs-update: give priority to $HOME" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
14:45 <Trevinho> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105418
14:45 <Trevinho> · Currently adding more themes to the themes snap.
14:46 <Trevinho> ----
14:46 <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 105418 in fprintd "device policy: only allow enrolling for authenticated users" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]
14:46 <kenvandine> thx Trevinho!
14:46 <kenvandine> #topic jamesh
14:46 <kenvandine> at engineering sprint:
14:46 <kenvandine> - got patches to extend snap xdg-open proxy to work with regular files merged.
14:46 <kenvandine> - rewrote xdg-open proxy in Go, at snap core team's request
14:46 <kenvandine> - came up with plan to move forward on snapd user mounts (prereq for
14:46 <kenvandine> xdg-desktop-portal):
14:47 <kenvandine> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/development-sprint-march-5th-2018/4345/21?u=jamesh
14:47 <kenvandine> - discussed how to handle theming of snapped desktop apps
14:47 <kenvandine> - put together a skeleton for the "gtk-common-themes" snap for the
14:47 <kenvandine> above: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/supporting-desktop-themes-via-the-content-interface/4122/3?u=jamesh
14:47 <kenvandine> snapd:
14:47 <kenvandine> - started work on helpers for the "safe mount" code.  I need to sync
14:47 <kenvandine> up with Zygmunt again now we're all home.
14:47 <kenvandine> #topic duflu
14:47 <kenvandine> * Gnome Shell performance:
14:47 <kenvandine> - Affecting Xorg sessions:
14:47 <kenvandine> . Got back into the gnome-shell CPU bug:
14:47 <kenvandine> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743976
14:47 <kenvandine> . No news yet. Just relearning where I was at last time and
14:47 <kenvandine> collecting fresh profiles using Gnome 3.27 now.
14:47 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1743976 in mutter (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell is wasting CPU repainting unchanging panels" [Medium,Confirmed]
14:47 <kenvandine> . Clock smoothness: Still awaiting review
14:47 <kenvandine> (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/26)
14:48 <kenvandine> - Affecting only Wayland sessions (also no progress, no reviews, this
14:48 <kenvandine> week)
14:48 <kenvandine> . Unblock rendering from behind monitor flipping:
14:48 <kenvandine> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/25
14:48 <kenvandine> . Simplify and clean up:
14:48 <kenvandine> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/29
14:48 <kenvandine> * Libinput:
14:48 <kenvandine> - Upstream released omnidirectional hysteresis this week, only 7 days
14:48 <kenvandine> after I proposed it!
14:48 <kenvandine> .
14:48 <kenvandine> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2018-March/037317.html
14:48 <kenvandine> - More time spent again testing upstream patches this week.
14:48 <kenvandine> * Synaptics touchpad settings missing (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733032):
14:48 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1733032 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Touchpad settings don't work after upgrading to 17.10 (because xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is still installed)" [Medium,In progress]
14:48 <kenvandine> - Progress! Rejected. No good reason other than upstream doesn't like
14:48 <kenvandine> the idea of having to test it in future releases.
14:48 <kenvandine> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/37
14:48 <kenvandine> - I'll consider distro patching for one cycle instead, after 3.28.0
14:48 <kenvandine> has settled.
14:48 <kenvandine> - Reminder: gnome-control-center also needs a little fix after that.
14:48 <kenvandine> * Theme fixes:
14:48 <kenvandine> - Updated the combobox bug with a xenial fix too
14:48 <kenvandine> (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1725921)
14:48 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1725921 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Bionic) "[regression] Combobox menus have gray text on gray background" [High,In progress]
14:48 <kenvandine> - Reviewed Marco's theme fixes from during the sprint.
14:48 <kenvandine> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes,
14:49 <kenvandine> bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
14:49 <kenvandine> - Fairly busy in bugland this week. So although we closed a bunch of
14:49 <kenvandine> bugs, generally more were opened thanks to people reacting to news about
14:49 <kenvandine> beta 1(?)
14:49 <kenvandine> - Finished reviewing zesty bugs.
14:49 <kenvandine> - Added more packages to the chart too.
14:49 <kenvandine> -
14:49 <kenvandine> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
14:49 <kenvandine> #topic robert_ancell
14:49 <kenvandine> no report
14:49 <kenvandine> no report
14:49 <kenvandine> seb128, are you ready?
14:49 <seb128> yes
14:49 <kenvandine> #topic seb128
14:49 <seb128> • week in budapest, good to catch up with the team, great&productive week!
14:49 <seb128> • quite some meetings about work for the cycle/status/priorities
14:49 <seb128> • decided to delay fingerprint auth since security has too much to review for us and there are not a lot of laptop which have a driver for that to work, we might still try to land lated
14:49 <seb128> • debugged some snapd/gnome-software/invalid macaroon issues
14:49 <seb128> • test/sponsored the goa/ubuntu sso provider from and_yrock
14:49 <seb128> • sponsored translation fixes from Gunnar (and then help debugging a build issue)
14:50 <seb128> • discussed the new meson update and whether downgrading it or getting a ffe
14:50 <seb128> • some ubiquity tweaks for the third-party software wording since the content changed a bit
14:50 <seb128> • reported some GNOME 3.27 segfaults issue upstream
14:50 <seb128> (thanks, sorry again for being late)
14:50 <kenvandine> thx seb128!
14:50 <kenvandine> #topic aob
14:50 <Laney> NO
14:51 <jbicha> ok, I guess not from me either then :)
14:51 <kenvandine> jbicha, i still need to figure out what's up with the color emojis in gnome-characters
14:51 <kenvandine> i'm a bit stumped, it's like it only tries emojione
14:51 <Laney> #topic rls-bb-incoming bugs
14:51 <Laney> ...first week...
14:52 <jbicha> kenvandine: next random thing to try is updating freetype
14:53 <seb128> kenvandine, what Laney said
14:53 <kenvandine> yeah
14:55 <seb128> kenvandine, you need to copy his line to change the topic since you are leading the meeting :)
14:55 <seb128> then we should review http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
14:55 <kenvandine> oh
14:55 <kenvandine> :)
14:55 <kenvandine> #topic rls-bb-incoming bugs
14:56 <seb128> kenvandine, do you want to go through the list or should I do that?
14:56 <kenvandine> seb128, could you?
14:56 <seb128> sure
14:56 <seb128> let's go through the desktop set ones
14:56 <seb128> * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1750846
14:56 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1750846 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Bionic) "several g-s-d services are timing out when booting a live session" [High,New]
14:56 <Laney> some of the ones in unknown concern us
14:57 <seb128> the ones that do show on desktop/dx as well through other components I think?
14:57 <Laney> that is accepted, I think the tag needs to be removed (and someone should be assigned)
14:57 <Laney> maybe these ones, but don't think that is true in general
14:57 <Laney> works for this week though
14:57 <seb128> right
14:58 <seb128> I looked at those before suggesting we do the desktop-set
14:58 <Laney> ok cool
14:58 <seb128> I should have stated that
14:58 <seb128> anyway
14:58 <Laney> just wanted to make sure we didn't miss stuff
14:58 <seb128> thx for that :)
14:58 <seb128> g-s-d ... any taker?
14:59 <Laney> sure
14:59 <seb128> Laney, thanks!
14:59 <seb128> that might be the same issue that the session timeout
14:59 <Laney> maybe, if so I don't see that so might be difficult to look at
14:59 <seb128> well I guess we will know when both are investigated
14:59 <Laney> I'll have a look
14:59 <seb128> feel free to bounce back to me if you can't reproduce
15:00 <seb128> I can try here, maybe with my old laptop I'm more lucky :p
15:00 <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1750995
15:00 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1750995 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Bionic) "Logging out live session takes several minutes" [High,New]
15:00 <seb128> looks like we handled that previous week, just need to be untagged I guess?
15:00 <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1726124
15:00 <seb128> same
15:00 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1726124 in systemd (Ubuntu) "DNS domain search paths not updated when VPN started" [High,Confirmed]
15:01 <seb128> I think some of the tag edits from will timeouted and he closed the tabs too early
15:01 <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-share/+bug/1726143
15:01 <seb128> same
15:01 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1726143 in nautilus-share (Ubuntu) "Automatic installation of samba fails with "could not find package libpam-smbpass"" [High,Confirmed]
15:01 <Laney> should be notfixing rather than removing the tag
15:01 <Laney> well, changing it
15:02 <seb128> ah, right
15:02 * Laney updates the dns one
15:02 <seb128> I just did, sorry :p
15:02 <seb128> the other ones were to untag since they are nominated
15:02 <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1752053
15:02 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1752053 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-390 fails to boot graphical display" [Critical,Incomplete]
15:02 <seb128> tjaalton, tseliot, ^ is that something you are looking at?
15:03 <Laney> samba one isn't?
15:03 <Laney> oh, think it should be though, you got assigned
15:03 <seb128> crap, yes
15:03 <Laney> done
15:03 <seb128> thx
15:03 <seb128> the nvidia one I'm going to check with timo/alberto so let's skip for now
15:03 <seb128> I don't think it's for our team
15:04 <Laney> thx
15:04 <seb128> * bug #1753776
15:04 <ubot5`> bug 1753776 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Graphics corruption in login animation to Xorg sessions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753776
15:04 <Laney> yeah it would be good to have a proper team for that stuff
15:04 <Laney> same?
15:04 <seb128> that one seems a GNOME 3..27 regression
15:04 <tseliot> seb128: that should be fixed, although people reported different issues there
15:04 <jbicha> tseliot: it's not fixed
15:04 <seb128> tseliot, can you comment on the bug saying so? and ask them to open new reports
15:04 <jbicha> do you need me to try to file a new bug?
15:04 <seb128> jbicha, the nvidia one?
15:05 <tseliot> jbicha: yes, please
15:05 <seb128> jbicha, or the xorg session corruption?
15:05 <jbicha> the graphical corruption for xorg is not fixed. I don't have nvidia
15:05 <seb128> k
15:05 <seb128> tseliot, was talking about the previous one
15:05 <tseliot> jbicha: not my thing then, sorry. I was referring to nvidia
15:05 <seb128> jbicha, did you upstream the xorg one?
15:06 <seb128> tseliot, can you close and ask whoever still has it to open a new report?
15:06 <tseliot> seb128: sure
15:06 <seb128> thx
15:06 <Laney> I got 390 today, going to restart in a bit ;-)
15:06 <jbicha> seb128: could be GNOME 3.28 but we also had mesa stuff landing in bionic at the same time
15:06 <seb128> good luck :)
15:06 <seb128> jbicha, they landed a bit earlier and was in proposed for a while ... but yeah
15:07 <Laney> one to accept I think
15:07 <seb128> yes
15:07 <jbicha> I guess we should try filing a mutter bug upstream to see what they think
15:07 <seb128> sound like one that duflu could look at
15:07 <seb128> jbicha, do you want to do that?
15:07 <seb128> if not I ask duflu tomorrow if he can poke at it
15:08 <jbicha> let's have duflu do it! ;)
15:08 <seb128> k
15:08 <seb128> next is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1749688
15:08 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1749688 in xorg-lts-transitional (Ubuntu Bionic) "16.04 HWE -> 18.04 = xorg held back (+ partial breakage because of it)" [Undecided,In progress]
15:09 <seb128> I'm untagging it since it's targetted for bionic & assigned
15:09 <tjaalton> I have that on a ppa
15:09 <seb128> good
15:10 <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/1718254
15:10 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1718254 in unity-greeter-session-broadcast (Ubuntu) "please drop url-dispatcher dependencies" [Critical,New]
15:10 <seb128> that sounds like a bb-notfixing to me
15:10 <Laney> yep
15:10 <seb128> x_nox fixed the most important issue by making url-dispatcher not to depend on unity-scopes-api
15:10 <Laney> we might even want to drop our team from the unity stuff
15:10 <seb128> which was the stack with net-cpp creating issue
15:10 <Laney> then they don't show up here at all
15:11 <seb128> good point
15:11 <seb128> I'm going to do that
15:11 <jbicha> seb128: can I get a +1 to remove those 2 indicator packages I mentioned on that bug? maybe I need to open a separate bug…
15:11 <Laney> although...
15:11 <Laney> ...LTS?
15:11 <seb128> still having a view on xenial unity you mean?
15:11 <Laney> yeah we do still support them there
15:12 <Laney> can't subscribe per series
15:12 <seb128> correct
15:12 <seb128> hum
15:12 <seb128> I guess we can keep them for now, it's not too much
15:12 <seb128> and just serie-wontfix tag
15:12 <Laney> ya
15:12 <seb128> sounds good?
15:12 <seb128> k, let's call it a plan then
15:13 <seb128> that's it for the list
15:13 <Laney> not too bad
15:13 <seb128> Laney, thanks for the reminder and notes!
15:13 <seb128> indeed
15:13 <seb128> though we do have a bunch of bugs assigned to people
15:13 <Laney> anything on tracking to check up on?
15:13 <seb128> which we don't actively track
15:13 <Laney> or next week maybe because of sprint
15:13 <seb128> I'm unsure if we could/should
15:14 <seb128> tracking? wdym?
15:14 <Laney> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
15:14 <seb128> ah, I guess that's the counter part which are the ones we accepted
15:15 <seb128> I had forgotten about that
15:15 <Laney> yeah
15:15 <seb128> good, that replies to my previous question
15:15 <seb128> but yeah, I guess we didn't do much progress since the sprint/travelling
15:15 <seb128> so let's start reviewing it next week
15:15 <Laney> maybe it should be a status update item
15:15 <Laney> give a line to assigned rls bugs or something
15:16 <seb128> we used to do that I think :)
15:16 <seb128> good idea
15:16 <Laney> doomed to reinvent the past
15:16 <seb128> let's talk to willcooke about it once he's back
15:16 <Laney> ok
15:16 <seb128> on that note I guess we can #aob
15:16 <seb128> kenvandine, ^ can you topic back to aob? ;)
15:17 <kenvandine> #topic aob
15:17 <seb128> thx!
15:17 <jbicha> Laney: I wanted to follow up on last week's git discussion
15:18 <jbicha> the plan for now is to push ubuntu/ branches to LP, right?
15:18 <Laney> think so
15:18 <Laney> that's my proposal anyway
15:18 <jbicha> and we're not worried about preserving bzr history?
15:18 <seb128> we didn't discuss that topic
15:18 <seb128> but I guess that's not really doable, is it?
15:19 <kenvandine> probably not worth the hassle
15:19 <Laney> not sure how you would, seems really hard to interleave it in the git stuff
15:19 <seb128> did Debian preserve any svn history when they migrated?
15:19 <jbicha> I personally don't care about the bzr history
15:19 <Laney> yeah, there was an export
15:19 <Laney> I'd just push "this branch is dead" to all of them when they move
15:19 <jbicha> seb128: yes we managed to preserve most of the svn history
15:19 <Laney> and then you can go back to see the history if you're an archaeologist
15:20 <seb128> if they did it for svn we should be able to do it for our bzr using similar tools?
15:20 <jbicha> seb128: are you volunteering yourself? ;)
15:20 <seb128> for any repo I'm migrating yes
15:20 <seb128> :)
15:20 * Laney doesn't like trolling on this topic :(
15:21 <Laney> you'd have to like
15:21 <Laney> go back and find the base debian revision for each commit
15:21 <seb128> sorry
15:21 <Laney> check out that tag and then merge into it
15:21 <seb128> do you know how Debian did it for the svn?
15:21 <Laney> and then roll that forward up to the present
15:21 <Laney> yes, an svn export which was then carved up and converted to git
15:22 <seb128> the principle/tools wouldn't easily apply to our bzr repos?
15:22 <seb128> I guess we are going to end up deciding it's not worth the effort
15:22 <Laney> now we have a repository with the history from svn in it
15:22 <seb128> but it's a bit sad to loose the history
15:22 <Laney> so you have to go back and insert the bzr commits at the right place
15:23 <jbicha> it ended up taking years for Debian GNOME to get around to converting from svn to git
15:23 <seb128> just because of them wanting to keep history?
15:23 <jbicha> a straight bzr-to-git conversion would be easier, but interleaving it with the new Debian git repo is more complex
15:23 <seb128> well, I guess we don't have enough resources to work on that
15:23 <Laney> what you could do is convert the stuff to git
15:23 <Laney> and put it in a different branch
15:24 <Laney> so it's right there to look at but not in the history on master
15:24 <seb128> +1 from me  to not converting, even if it makes me sad to nuke records of years of work done by our team
15:24 <seb128> how do other feel?
15:25 <seb128> didrocks, kenvandine, ?
15:25 <kenvandine> sorry... let me read back
15:25 <didrocks> yeah, I don't feel it worths the effort
15:25 <kenvandine> not worth it imo
15:25 <didrocks> at worst, we keep old branch around
15:25 <didrocks> for history!
15:25 <didrocks> :)
15:26 <seb128> k
15:26 <seb128> Laney, jbicha, there you go :)
15:26 <jbicha> (Debian had a bit more urgency because we were concerned about the svn repos being removed completely)
15:26 <seb128> right
15:26 <jbicha> and we're cool to move packaging to git now, right?
15:26 <seb128> still stuck to pretend all the work we did didn't exist
15:27 <seb128> I don't think we decided on that
15:27 <seb128> and the meeting has already been an hour today
15:27 <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pncJWS68YP/
15:27 <Laney> jbicha: for next cycle
15:28 <seb128> we should get to a consensus/update the post on the community hub
15:28 <seb128> or maybe start with a few selected repos to see how it goes
15:28 <jbicha> what about for stuff in main that doesn't have an Ubuntu packaging branch yet? I think gvfs was a good example of one of these packages
15:29 <seb128> just to validate the workflow/etc
15:29 <seb128> jbicha, I would prefer to delay to next cycle, let's rediscuss next week
15:29 <seb128> we don't have good Ubuntu contributor documentation
15:29 <seb128> and I'm concerned that changing now is going to impact people work for the LTS
15:29 <jbicha> I'm working on 3.28.0 stuff this week is why I'm asking now :)
15:29 <seb128> like now you want to fix a bug in gvfs and you need to dig into using new tools
15:30 <seb128> learning new workflows
15:30 <seb128> fixing potential fallouts, etc
15:30 <seb128> that's not what we want to be spending time on atm
15:31 <didrocks> I guess that's what we wanted to discuss that post-FF, to plan for starting it on the 18.10 cycle
15:31 <jbicha> gvfs is also a package that is basically maintained in Debian right now. There is a trivial diff that I don't think can be easily pushed in to Debian
15:31 <seb128> next cycle is no far
15:31 <seb128> jbicha, I disagree with that, I did a gvfs upload some days ago to fix an autopkgtest issue
15:31 <jbicha> yes and I had to push it to Debian for you :|
15:31 <kenvandine> +1 on holding off just a little longer
15:31 <seb128> it would have been much more annoying if the packaging had been in git
15:31 <kenvandine> we're close to closing out bionic
15:32 <kenvandine> hate to risk slowing anything down
15:32 <seb128> k
15:32 <seb128> I think that close the topic (for this week at least)?
15:32 <kenvandine> +1
15:32 <didrocks> yes
15:32 <seb128> other topics?
15:33 <jbicha> kenvandine: (at least for me, having to push stuff to bzr too slows me down)
15:33 <kenvandine> jbicha, understood... i think for now whatever is easiest?
15:33 <jbicha> (but I'll let this discussion end)
15:33 <jbicha> kenvandine: (lol)
15:33 <kenvandine> i'm anxious to change as well, but might not be a great time for folks to learn their way around
15:33 <kenvandine> going once...
15:34 <kenvandine> twice...
15:34 <Laney> yes (sorry!)
15:34 <kenvandine> lol
15:34 <kenvandine> snuck that in
15:34 <Laney> :-)
15:34 <Laney> anyway quick one I think
15:34 <didrocks> the install in my vm didn't finish, you can go on ;)
15:34 <Laney> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ was wondering if we should all give some time to sponsoring each week before release
15:35 <kenvandine> #topic Laney's quick one
15:35 <kenvandine> :)
15:35 <Laney> desktop team patch pilot
15:35 <Laney> #goodguys
15:35 <kenvandine> #topic patch pilot
15:35 <kenvandine> +1
15:35 <kenvandine> would be good to trim that down
15:35 <seb128> people are busy enough so I don't think we should make a requirement
15:35 <seb128> but +1 if people could spare some hours to help on that
15:35 <Laney> that means no
15:35 <Laney> ok then, was just an idea
15:36 <kenvandine> #endmeeting