== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-02-13, 13 Feb at 14:31 — 15:03 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-02-13-14.31.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== andyrock ===
The discussion about "andyrock" started at 14:32.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 14:33.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 14:34.


=== duflu ===
The discussion about "duflu" started at 14:35.


=== jbicha ===
The discussion about "jbicha" started at 14:36.


=== jamesh ===
The discussion about "jamesh" started at 14:37.


=== jibel/heber ===
The discussion about "jibel/heber" started at 14:38.


=== kenvandine ===
The discussion about "kenvandine" started at 14:40.


=== oSoMoN ===
The discussion about "oSoMoN" started at 14:41.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 14:43.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 14:44.


=== trevinho ===
The discussion about "trevinho" started at 14:46.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 14:48.


=== aob ===
The discussion about "aob" started at 14:48.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * kenvandine (98)
 * seb128 (67)
 * Trevinho (29)
 * jbicha (29)
 * oSoMoN (19)
 * ubot5 (18)
 * willcooke (16)
 * didrocks (14)
 * andyrock (13)
 * jibel (9)
 * dgadomski (5)
 * tkamppeter (5)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 14:31 <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-02-13

 14:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 13 14:31:03 2018 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:31 <meetingology> 

 14:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:31 <jbicha> o/

 14:31 <kenvandine> Roll call:  andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 14:31 <didrocks> hey

 14:31 <andyrock> o/

 14:31 <jibel> hi

 14:31 <Trevinho> hello

 14:31 <seb128> hey

 14:31 <oSoMoN> o/

 14:32 <kenvandine> Happy Tuesday everyone!

 14:32 <kenvandine> #topic andyrock

 14:32 <andyrock> 1. Gnome-disks and snaps:

 14:32 <andyrock> 1.1 Proposed a workaround to hide snaps already installed

 14:32 <andyrock> 1.2 Proposed a debdiff for xenial too

 14:32 <andyrock> 2. Gnome-online-accounts:

 14:32 <andyrock> 2.1 Discussing with upstream regarding the UbuntuSSO provider

 14:32 <andyrock> 2.2 Built a ppa to test goa + ubuntusso

 14:32 <andyrock> 3. Reviews:

 14:33 <andyrock> 3.1 https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/snap-exec-matching-fix/+merge/337249

 14:33 <andyrock> 3.2 https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/libunity/desktop-use-snap-namespace/+merge/337252

 14:33 <andyrock> 4. Ubiquity:

 14:33 <andyrock> 4.1 Writing the Online Account step page (using goa!)

 14:33 <andyrock> 5. eow

 14:33 <kenvandine> thx

 14:33 <kenvandine> #topic dgadomski

 14:33 <dgadomski> hey

 14:33 <dgadomski> * fix for bug #1644662 merged upstream, ready to be sponsored for Bionic

 14:33 <dgadomski> * found cause for bug #1746482, it wasn't a bug, but change of mount.cifs requirements

 14:33 <dgadomski> * fixed bug #1748122 and upstreamed fix

 14:33 <ubot5> bug 1644662 in gnome-themes-standard (Ubuntu Bionic) "Icons missing when appearance setting is "high contrast"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644662

 14:33 <ubot5> bug 1746482 in linux (Ubuntu) "mount.cifs stopped working with protocol version>1 and sec=ntlm" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746482

 14:33 <ubot5> bug 1748122 in open-vm-tools (Ubuntu) "incorrect tools.conf template is shipped with Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748122

 14:33 <dgadomski> eof

 14:34 <kenvandine> thx

 14:34 <kenvandine> #topic didrocks

 14:34 <didrocks> * Session: transition our main ubuntu session to Xorg (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/3.26.1-0ubuntu9)

 14:34 <didrocks> * GNOME Shell: the date alignement (centering on remaining space) when having any dock is finally merged upstream! https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/3

 14:34 <didrocks> * Crafted and tested a jhbuild config for aday to test. Found an issue with upstream overamplified icon fixed. Then, got the +1 from GNOME design after testing the overamplified patch set.

 14:34 <didrocks> * Added a new "reset to 100% at max when overamplificatoin key is set to false" behavior on Allan's request. Rebased the submitted g-s-d patch for this.

 14:34 <didrocks> * Following this, got a first global GNOME Shell review on overamplification icon: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/2. Rework the patch set as requested (commit order and logical merge/split). Waiting since then for another review.

 14:34 <didrocks> * MIRS reviews: libfprint (bug #1745454), fprintd (bug #1745455), woff2 (bug #1742743), brotli (bug #1737053)

 14:34 <didrocks> * Had another look at splitting the minimal install as separate seeds. After giving it some testing and seeing the number of components implied, the work for this don't match our remaining timeline for 18.04. We'll use some shortcuts for this release.

 14:34 <ubot5> bug 1745454 in libfprint (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libfprint" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745454

 14:34 <ubot5> bug 1745455 in fprintd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fprintd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745455

 14:34 <didrocks> * Continue discussion and feedbacks on the hub & bug reports with the communitytheme team.

 14:34 <ubot5> bug 1742743 in woff2 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] woff2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1742743

 14:34 <didrocks> .

 14:34 <ubot5> bug 1737053 in brotli (Ubuntu) "[MIR] brotli" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737053

 14:35 <kenvandine> didrocks, thx

 14:35 <kenvandine> #topic duflu

 14:36 <kenvandine> * Totem+Xorg+VAAPI corruption regression (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747744)

 14:36 <kenvandine> - Debugged, bisected (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105013)

 14:36 <kenvandine> - Now just waiting for a simple patch that reverts the commit that caused it. The offending commit was a needless cleanup that was just trying to remove unused code (which it turns out is not unused).

 14:36 <kenvandine> * Gnome Shell performance work (https://trello.com/c/Q6JYXPPs)

 14:36 <kenvandine> - Multi-monitor frame scheduling: Getting closer to ready-for-review this week. Interestingly the same fix will benefit single monitor setups too, slightly. (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/3)

 14:36 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1747744 in Mesa "[regression] Video playback in totem is corrupted in X11" [Medium,In progress]

 14:36 <ubot5> Freedesktop bug 105013 in GLX "[regression] GLX+VA-API+clutter-gst video playback is corrupt with Mesa 17.3 (but is fine with 17.2)" [Normal,Assigned]

 14:36 <kenvandine> - Clutter master clock smoothness (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/25)

 14:36 <kenvandine> . Turns out this old experimental fix I already had is now required to make multi-monitor perform properly. The old blocking calls being removed for multi-monitor were accidentally providing a workaround for mutter/clutter's dodgy clock.

 14:36 <kenvandine> . Fix awaiting upstream review (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/21)

 14:36 <kenvandine> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, mir, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.

 14:36 <kenvandine> * Fun with charts: Something I've been meaning to do for a long time (using the best information I can find):

 14:36 <kenvandine> - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive

 14:36 <kenvandine> - Obviously it would be better if we could just automate charting of historical data from Launchpad somehow.

 14:36 <kenvandine> * HELP: Fixes still awaiting sponsorship:

 14:36 <kenvandine> - https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/331846 (actually the same fix as proposed for mutter this week)

 14:36 <kenvandine> #topic jbicha

 14:36 <jbicha> • NetworkManager 1.10 in proposed. The autopkgtests needs to be updated for new version, thanks gQuigs for initial look there LP: #1734586

 14:36 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1734586 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Merge NetworkManager with Debian 1.10.0-1" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734586

 14:36 <jbicha> • Completed vala 0.38 transition

 14:36 <jbicha> • Lots of work preparing GNOME 3.27.90

 14:36 <jbicha> • Prepared 4 transitions in PPAs (evolution-data-server, gnome-desktop3, libgweather, vala 0.40)

 14:36 <jbicha> • Sponsored fontmake into Debian. This is important because it is needed to build many newer open fonts

 14:37 <jbicha> • Filed LP: #1748905 (needed by gnome-calendar 3.28)

 14:37 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1748905 in libdazzle (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libdazzle" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748905

 14:37 <jbicha> • Also packaged psautohint, needed to build the redesigned Cantarell font.

 14:37 <jbicha> By the way, the GNOME Release Team currently uses Debian as its base to prepare releases with BuildStream so they needed psautohint too.

 14:37 <jbicha> • upstreaming GNOME bug 737362 is blocked on a "clear rationale" and use cases 😒

 14:37 <ubot5> Gnome bug 737362 in Privacy "Privacy panel is missing switch to disable captive portal detection" [Normal,Reopened] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737362

 14:37 <jbicha> (and a Freeze Exception now)

 14:37 <jbicha> 🏅

 14:37 <kenvandine> jbicha, thx

 14:37 <kenvandine> #topic jamesh

 14:37 <kenvandine> * snapcraft:

 14:37 <kenvandine> - finishing work started at the Snapcraft Summit, I landed a PR to use

 14:37 <kenvandine> pyelftools to process libraries/executables instead of readelf:

 14:37 <kenvandine> https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1913.  This first step is

 14:37 <kenvandine> simply a performance improvement, but opens the way for other

 14:37 <kenvandine> improvements: making sure executables match the stated architecture of

 14:37 <kenvandine> a snap, better detection of required libraries (and warning when

 14:37 <kenvandine> they're missing), reducing the use of patchelf for classic snaps, etc.

 14:37 <kenvandine> * snapd:

 14:37 <kenvandine> - at the Snapcraft Summit, jdstrand reviewed the user-mounts branch,

 14:37 <kenvandine> and he requested some sanity checks due to the fact it involves

 14:38 <kenvandine> working with mount points and sources owned by the user.  These turned

 14:38 <kenvandine> out to be more difficult than anticipated (reconstructing the mount

 14:38 <kenvandine> source from /proc/self/mountinfo has a lot of corner cases).  I've

 14:38 <kenvandine> been working with Zygmunt to try and solve these.

 14:38 <kenvandine> * xdg-desktop-portal:

 14:38 <kenvandine> - Alexander Larsson took my initial snap support PR and improved it to

 14:38 <kenvandine> make the portal service a bit more agnostic to confinement systems.

 14:38 <kenvandine> He's also going to move the document portal from the flatpak

 14:38 <kenvandine> repository to xdg-desktop-portal, which should also simplify things a

 14:38 <kenvandine> bit (previously both services had independent implementations of the

 14:38 <kenvandine> confinement detection code).  I've been chatting with him on IRC and

 14:38 <kenvandine> promised to provide some testing feedback for the snap side.  The big

 14:38 <kenvandine> takeaway here is that we've got upstream buy-in for all this, so this

 14:38 <kenvandine> support will eventually be in all distros that provide

 14:38 <kenvandine> xdg-desktop-portal.

 14:38 <kenvandine> #topic jibel/heber

 14:38 <jibel> - Review of installation and upgrades to bionic. Upgrade from 16.04 fails: session fails to start (bug 1749199), some upgrades are failing with dpkg triggers looping (bug 1747717 for example)

 14:38 <jibel> - Continued searching the cause of the excessive memory consumption of gnome-software but cannot reproduce the issue after instrumenting the code and upgrading to 3.26.6-0ubuntu1

 14:38 <jibel> - It’s been reported that update-notifier was not installed by unattended-upgraded on 16.04.0 to 2. Triaged the case and followed its resolution. Update-manager has been published yesterday to xenial-security and next run of unattended-upgrade should pull update-notifier and -manager, finally notifying users that upgrades are available.

 14:38 <jibel> - In progress: trigger gnome-software end user tests when a new version is in proposed.

 14:38 <jibel> - General bug triaging.

 14:38 <ubot5> bug 1749199 in upstart (Ubuntu) "purge conf files on removal of upstart (was session fails to start after an upgrade from xenial to bionic)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749199

 14:38 <ubot5> bug 1747717 in gnome-menus (Ubuntu) "package gnome-menus 3.13.3-11ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: triggers looping, abandoned - gnome-menus -> ufw" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1747717

 14:39 <jibel> ...

 14:39 <kenvandine> jibel, oh i hit that last night in my bionic vm, the gnome-menus bug

 14:40 <kenvandine> jibel, thx

 14:40 <seb128> those trigger bugs suck

 14:40 <kenvandine> yeah

 14:40 <jibel> it's pretty common, easily recoverable bug annoying

 14:40 <oSoMoN> been hit by it too

 14:40 <seb128> Laney usually understand them :)

 14:40 <jibel> but*

 14:40 <seb128> he's back tomorrow

 14:40 <kenvandine> #topic kenvandine

 14:41 <kenvandine> * snapcraft still doesn't have support for building for multiple bases, so I've refocused on building gnome-software snap based on core 16.

 14:41 <kenvandine> #topic oSoMoN

 14:42 <oSoMoN> hey

 14:42 <oSoMoN> • chromium

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ 64.0.3282.140 published to {artful,xenial,trusty}-security

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ promoted 64.0.3282.140 snap to stable channel

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated beta to 65.0.3325.51

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ updated hw-accelerated video decoding PPA (https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/cr-vaapi-test/+packages) with latest patch from intel, successfully tested and provided feedback on CL (https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/532294)

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ prepared test PPA for my WIP a11y/osk patch (https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-osk/+packages)

 14:42 <oSoMoN> • libreoffice

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ fixed bug #1696250

 14:42 <ubot5> bug 1696250 in libreoffice (Debian) "Please hide Start Center and Math" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696250

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ managed to build 6.0 snap on 16.04, built it on launchpad and pushed to candidate channel, then updated to 6.0.1

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ issued call for testing (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-6-0-1/3917)

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ filed bug #1748151 uncovered while testing

 14:42 <ubot5> bug 1748151 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] cannot load hsqldb driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748151

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ started thread to identify missing features in LO snap (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/libreoffice-snap-missing-features-and-known-bugs/3920)

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ prepared 5.4.5 SRU for artful (bug #1748999) and handed over to security team, this will be pushed directly to artful-security because of CVE-2018-6871

 14:42 <ubot5> bug 1748999 in libreoffice-l10n (Ubuntu) "[SRU] libreoffice 5.4.5 for artful" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1748999

 14:42 <oSoMoN> ∘ prepared 6.0.1 packages for bionic and asked Ken to sponsor

 14:42 <oSoMoN> That's all folks 🐰

 14:42 <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i'm still downloading that package... people.canonical.com must be connected to the internet with a string

 14:43 <kenvandine> usually faster than this

 14:43 <kenvandine> oSoMoN, thx!

 14:43 <oSoMoN> uploading was fast on my end

 14:43 <kenvandine> #topic seb128

 14:43 <seb128> I usually just download the dsc/changes and sign those and then push to people.ubuntu.com

 14:43 <seb128> then wget the other files and dput from there

 14:43 <kenvandine> last time it only took a few minutes to download all of it

 14:43 <seb128> more efficient

 14:43 <kenvandine> on my gigabit connection :)

 14:43 <seb128> sorry, sidetracking

 14:43 <kenvandine> but it's slow today

 14:44 <seb128> hehe

 14:44 <seb128> k, so this week

 14:44 <seb128> • helped Gunnar fixing some translations issues (remmina, util-linux, pkgbinarymangler, systemd)

 14:44 <seb128> • discussed xorg-synaptic/GNOME/upgrades, posted on the community hub about it

 14:44 <seb128> • debugged pkgbinarymangler failing to build on bionic (due to dpkg changes)

 14:44 <seb128> • joined some HR presentations for new managers

 14:44 <seb128> • usual load of meetings, trello updates, chassing status update for some of the work, ...

 14:44 <seb128> • some bugs triaging

 14:44 <seb128> </workweek>

 14:44 <kenvandine> seb128, thx

 14:44 <kenvandine> #topic tkamppeter

 14:44 <tkamppeter> - Common Print Dialog Backands: Informed oSoMoN about the availability for LibreOffice.

 14:44 <tkamppeter> - New laptop: Another 3 years have passed and I have set up my new Lenovo X1 Yoga 2 now. So far everything is working. Need to use X instead of Wayland, need to turn on virtualization and F1-F12 standard function in BIOS.

 14:44 <tkamppeter> - ippsample: started to package it. These IPP utilities got spun out of the CUPS package.

 14:44 <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: The Linux Foundation is accepted as mentoring organization. Invited the first mentors. Continued mentoring Sahil Arora.

 14:44 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.

 14:46 <kenvandine> tkamppeter, thx

 14:46 <kenvandine> #topic trevinho

 14:46 <Trevinho> · unity xenial SRU verification (couple of bugs to check, please help)

 14:46 <Trevinho> · BAMF improvements for matching SNAP and Flatpak applications

 14:46 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/snap-exec-matching-fix

 14:46 <Trevinho> - SRU'ed at

 14:46 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/snap-exec-matching-fix-x

 14:46 <Trevinho> Mh, what did arrive?

 14:47 <seb128> you flooded

 14:47 <seb128> paste in chuncks?

 14:47 <Trevinho> Yeah

 14:47 <seb128> - SRU'ed at

 14:47 <seb128> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/snap-exec-matching-fix-x

 14:47 <seb128> <-- Trevinho a quitté (Excess Flood)

 14:47 <seb128> that stopped here

 14:47 <Trevinho> · Libunity .desktop file matching (for gnome dock and unity launcher emblems)

 14:47 <Trevinho> improvements:

 14:47 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/libunity/desktop-use-snap-namespace

 14:47 <Trevinho> - SRU'ed at:

 14:47 <Trevinho> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/libunity/desktop-use-snap-namespace-x

 14:47 <Trevinho> · Telegram snap published to stable and announced:

 14:47 <Trevinho> - https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-telegram-desktop/3954

 14:47 <Trevinho> - https://github.com/3v1n0/telegram-snap/

 14:47 <Trevinho> - Ubuntu desktop environment support

 14:47 <Trevinho> - https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/pull/4398

 14:47 <Trevinho> - Fixes for building it on ARM:

 14:47 <Trevinho> - https://github.com/grishka/libtgvoip/pull/40

 14:47 <Trevinho> - https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/pull/4399

 14:47 <Trevinho> · nautilus search provider for searching in recent files in progress

 14:47 <Trevinho> · nautilus search provider for locate and studying how to get better matchings

 14:47 <Trevinho> · Some proposal in how to better implement xdg-open for file:// protocol

 14:47 <Trevinho> in a secure way:

 14:47 <Trevinho> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/allowing-xdg-open-to-open-files/3789/5?u=trevinho

 14:47 <Trevinho> · Some more fingerprint tests

 14:47 <Trevinho> 🦄

 14:48 <kenvandine> Trevinho, thx for the telegram snap, it's great!

 14:48 <Trevinho> :)

 14:48 <kenvandine> Trevinho, thx

 14:48 <kenvandine> #topic robert_ancell

 14:48 <kenvandine> - Worked on GNOME Software channels patch and uploaded to Bionic

 14:48 <kenvandine> - Backported GNOME Software channels patch to Xenial (not yet SRUd)

 14:48 <kenvandine> - Investigated GNOME Software memory usage

 14:48 <kenvandine> - LightDM 1.25.2 release

 14:48 <kenvandine> #topic aob

 14:49 <jbicha> last week, willcooke suggested we talk about plans for GNOME 3.28 for bionic today

 14:52 <willcooke> yes! Let's.  Although, Laney is out

 14:52 <willcooke> So let's talk about it a little bit, and then carry on next week if needed

 14:52 * kenvandine wants 3.28 because 3.28 > 3.26 :)

 14:52 <willcooke> jbicha, how are you feeling about it?

 14:52 <willcooke> kenvandine, ditto

 14:52 <jbicha> ok, I've built quite a bit of GNOME 3.28 but I haven't got the important core pieces done yet (g-s-d, g-c-c, mutter, gnome-shell)

 14:52 <kenvandine> personally i haven't seen anything scary in 3.27

 14:52 <seb128> I think we should have different steps there

 14:52 <jbicha> there are 4 transitions so far (mentioned earlier) but they seem to be smooth enough

 14:52 <seb128> like I think everybody is going to agree on updating now to 3.27 the components that got no major changes

 14:52 <seb128> like no UI redesign/big new features/old features that might be useful dropped

 14:52 <seb128> right?

 14:52 <willcooke> +1

 14:52 <seb128> +1

 14:52 <kenvandine> indeed

 14:52 <seb128> ok, then it gives us the "what do we do with components where the update is less trivial"

 14:52 <jbicha> for instance, I'm hesitant on uploading Cantarell to bionic since it regresses some languages

 14:52 <seb128> jbicha, do you have a list of components in that category?

 14:52 <seb128> I saw a list of things that need a transition

 14:53 <seb128> I think we should discuss the more-problematic ones on a case by case

 14:53 <jbicha> and obviously, we decided earlier that we're sticking with Nautilus 3.26

 14:53 <seb128> on cost/benefit/work involved

 14:53 <seb128> right

 14:53 <seb128> cantarell ... can you open a bug with the status and maybe we can get familiar with it and rediscuss during the week or at the next meeting?

 14:54 <jbicha> so far things look pretty smooth now except for those core pieces I haven't gotten to yet

 14:54 <jbicha> there is a proposed Backgrounds Settings panel redesign, I haven't looked at that yet either but that might be too late for 3.28 (just mentioning for completeness)

 14:55 <seb128> is that the one removing the lock screen background selection?

 14:55 <kenvandine> i thought that was for sure going in for 3.28

 14:55 <didrocks> kenvandine: still not in

 14:55 <kenvandine> at least tobias thought so :)

 14:55 <didrocks> they started to rediscuss it a week ago

 14:55 <seb128> some people looked like they were trying to get it landed

 14:55 <didrocks> to get finallly things moving

 14:55 <jbicha> it might do that, removing lock screen background selection is controversial even in GNOME so that's one of the issues with the redesign

 14:56 <seb128> I would suggest that we do the easy components for now, seems we have consensus on that

 14:56 <seb128> and that should keep us (= jbicha? ;-) busy for most of the week

 14:56 <seb128> and log bugs with the summary of the big changes/transitions for the ones that need discussion

 14:56 <kenvandine> would that include all the libs?

 14:57 <seb128> and review those next week

 14:57 <jbicha> yeah, the transitions take some time :)

 14:57 <seb128> kenvandine, no gtk4 by default!

 14:57 <seb128> if that's what you have in mind :p

 14:57 <kenvandine> no... definately not :)

 14:57 <seb128> unsure what libs

 14:57 <kenvandine> i think we already have latest gtk

 14:57 <seb128> but any which doesn't involve a complexe transition we better avoid

 14:57 <seb128> if somebody change lots of APIs we should discuss it

 14:58 <seb128> something*

 14:58 <kenvandine> i was thinking libgweather, gnome-desktop, etc

 14:58 <seb128> that sounds fine, unless they reworked their API

 14:58 <kenvandine> things i might have in the gnome platform snap :)

 14:58 <seb128> I didn't look at the specific of the changes from the cycle

 14:58 <jbicha> (still nothing uses gtk4, honestly I was going to propose we remove gtk4 from bionic before release and re-introduce it in "Chaotic 18.10" to not confuse people a year or two from now who try to build gtk4 apps)

 14:58 <seb128> that makes sense imho

 14:58 <kenvandine> +1

 14:59 <jbicha> kenvandine: I have rebuilt all the rdeps for those libraries so those seem fine

 14:59 <seb128> no point shipping a static snapshot on a thing being under active work

 14:59 <kenvandine> jbicha, great

 14:59 <jbicha> g-s-d is a more complex transition that we can discuss later

 14:59 <kenvandine> i have a gnome-3-28-1804 snap registered

 14:59 <seb128> so that's what I suggest, re-stating

 14:59 <seb128> "I would suggest that we do the easy components for now, seems we have consensus on that

 14:59 <seb128> and log bugs with the summary of the big changes/transitions for the ones that need discussion

 14:59 <seb128> and review those next week

 14:59 <seb128> "

 15:00 <jbicha> seb128: +1 from me :)

 15:00 <seb128> +1/0/-1?

 15:00 <kenvandine> great

 15:00 <kenvandine> +1

 15:00 <seb128> k

 15:00 <willcooke> +1

 15:00 <didrocks> +1

 15:00 <seb128> sounds like a plan then

 15:00 <seb128> :)

 15:00 <willcooke> thanks seb128

 15:00 <kenvandine> any more aob? :-D

 15:00 <seb128> thx jbicha for driving that topic forward as usual

 15:00 <seb128> jbicha, I'm going to try to make some time to help with transitions and reviews

 15:01 <jbicha> one more thing

 15:01 <seb128> let me know if you want me to write some of the bugs/summaries or something else

 15:01 <jbicha> GNOME docs team would appreciate if someone could rebuild the getting-started videos for GNOME bug 791419

 15:01 <ubot5> Gnome bug 791419 in general "Produce VP9 videos instead of VP8" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791419

 15:01 <jbicha> (that's all from me)

 15:01 <willcooke> jbicha, I looked at running that last night but fell short

 15:02 <willcooke> it said "you need the build environment set up" or something like that in the bug

 15:02 <willcooke> and thats where I gave up

 15:02 <willcooke> if someone can talk me through getting stuff installed, I will happily leave it running here

 15:02 <willcooke> Although, the real work is getting the env set up I expect

 15:02 <willcooke> so perhaps not much help

 15:02 <jbicha> let's discuss after the meeting then?

 15:02 <willcooke> kk

 15:03 <seb128> +1

 15:03 <willcooke> one thing from me

 15:03 <kenvandine> great

 15:03 <willcooke> top tip: crtl-shift-prtscr copies a screen region to the clipboard.

 15:03 <seb128> the #gnome-fr people were discussing blender, I dropped the bug reference in there to see if any of them maybe want to do that :)

 15:03 <kenvandine> thx all

 15:03 <seb128> haha

 15:03 <seb128> thanks kenvandine!

 15:03 <kenvandine> #endmeeting



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