== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team 2017-09-05, 05 Sep at 15:30 — 16:03 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-09-05-15.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== aob ===
The discussion about "aob" started at 15:51.

  * ''LINK:'' https://trello.com/c/Cpt4wwRw/204-london-fit-and-finish-hackfest 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (136)
 * didrocks (32)
 * jbicha (30)
 * Laney (17)
 * kenvandine (16)
 * Trevinho (13)
 * andyrock (7)
 * ubot5` (6)
 * dgadomski (3)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 15:30 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team 2017-09-05

 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep  5 15:30:18 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:30 <meetingology> 

 15:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:30 <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN (out), seb128, tkamppeter(out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 15:30 <kenvandine> o/

 15:30 <jbicha> o/

 15:30 <andyrock> o/

 15:31 <seb128> we have quite some people out today

 15:31 <seb128> anyway, let's get started

 15:32 <seb128> andyrock, hey

 15:32 <andyrock> # Livepatch: updating branches

 15:32 <andyrock> # Some work to resolve G++7 issues on artful

 15:32 <andyrock> # Implementing notification bedge in ubuntu-dock (will propose the branch soon)

 15:32 <andyrock> # eow

 15:32 <didrocks> (progress support as well? :))

 15:32 <seb128> thanks andyrock

 15:33 <andyrock> didrocks: I'll do that in a different branch

 15:33 <didrocks> ok

 15:33 <seb128> one thing at the time!

 15:33 <seb128> k, next one

 15:33 <seb128> dgadomski, hey

 15:33 <dgadomski> hey

 15:34 <andyrock> it's just visul work, the backend code is done already

 15:34 <dgadomski> sadly I have nothing desktop-related to share this week

 15:34 <dgadomski> eof

 15:34 <seb128> thanks dgadomski

 15:35 <seb128> didrocks, hey

 15:35 <didrocks> Just around for 3 days (took some swap days last week) and wasn't around last week, so report for ~1.5 week:

 15:35 <didrocks> * Packaged and seeded KStatusNotifier/Appindicator extension. Wrote about it in https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/23/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-7/.

 15:35 <didrocks> * Fit & Finish sprint + post-post polisht by making the theme changes more consistant and maintainable.

 15:35 <didrocks> * Wrote up about those on https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/25/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-8/ and https://didrocks.fr/2017/09/04/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-9/. Track and answers comments on blog, omgubuntu and french forum.

 15:35 <didrocks> * Track the upstream incoming changes for transparency (sounds quite experimental still)

 15:35 <didrocks> * Got my GNOME foundation membership and blog added to planet GNOME

 15:35 <didrocks> * Some AA work

 15:35 <didrocks> * . ;)

 15:35 <kenvandine> didrocks, congrats

 15:35 <didrocks> thx!

 15:36 <seb128> well done indeed :-)

 15:36 * seb128 should do the same

 15:36 <seb128> thanks didrocks

 15:37 <seb128> * Totem:

 15:37 <seb128> - I've been deep-diving into totem performance for most of the week: https://trello.com/c/7zeMdP0S/240-fix-totem-performance

 15:37 <seb128> - What makes it difficult is that GTK's signal-driven architecture hides cause from effect (hides callers from callees).

 15:37 <seb128> - Finally tracked down the biggest CPU hog to clutter-gtk. Totem (and gnome-maps at least) is using 50% of its CPU time software-rendering the window background and decorations on every video frame: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787001

 15:37 <ubot5`> Gnome bug 787001 in GtkClutterEmbed "clutter-gtk apps like totem and gnome-maps are spending 50% of their CPU time redrawing GTK widgets" [Normal,New]

 15:37 <seb128> - I now have a patch that halves CPU of totem and gnome-maps, so if all else fails we will patch that I'm just holding off for the moment to see if I can come up with a different solution that doesn't make upstream upset. Because the issue right now is that it may cause reduced smoothness in gnome-maps on very fast machines. But that's it... slower machines would of course benefit more from the halved CPU.

 15:37 <seb128> - Now also trying to understand how mutter and others composite such sub-surface apps so I can get the theory right before proceeding.

 15:37 <seb128> * Video acceleration:

 15:37 <seb128> - Public announcement about out-of-box support is still blocked for the past month awaiting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-addons/+bug/1709166

 15:37 <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1709166 in ubuntu-restricted-addons (Ubuntu) "Refresh Restricted Addons" [Undecided,In progress]

 15:37 <seb128> - Fun numbers: Totem (on Wayland) uses about 4-5x more CPU than other players, even when all are using VAAPI because:

 15:37 <seb128> . 50% Software rendering the GTK window/widgets/decorations on every video frame

 15:37 <seb128> . 20% VAAPI decoding the video (this part is equal to other players)

 15:37 <seb128> . 15% GStreamer overhead including audio decoding

 15:37 <seb128> . 10% other

 15:37 <seb128> .  5% cogl-rendering the the video texture

 15:37 <seb128> * PulseAudio:

 15:37 <seb128> - Xenial SRU is now blocked by crash reports of the primary "fixed" bug still happening... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:8.0-0ubuntu3.4

 15:37 <seb128> - Not sure I care about xenial enough to persue that right now given sponsors also insist on patching zesty first. Not worth the effort right now.

 15:37 <seb128> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, gdm, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio and mir.

 15:38 <seb128> 

 15:38 <seb128> would be nice if somebody could help and review the ubuntu-restricted-addons sponsoring request

 15:38 <seb128> (that comment is from me, not from his summary)

 15:38 <seb128> on that note moving on

 15:38 <seb128> jbicha, hey

 15:38 <jbicha> • GNOME Shell 3.25.91 is now in artful

 15:38 <jbicha> • Merged GNOME 3.24/3.26 packaging upstream to Debian allowing us to sync lots of packages

 15:38 <jbicha> • In particular if LP's changelog history is complete and I didn't miss something, this allowed us to sync evolution packaging from Debian for the first time since warty

 15:38 <jbicha> • Filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/787266 I'll probably drop the installed-tests from our autopkgtests with next update

 15:39 <ubot5`> Gnome bug 787266 in general "test suite is unreliable" [Normal,New]

 15:39 <jbicha> • Added the final piece for the Captive Portal feature

 15:39 <jbicha> • Dropped onboard from default install

 15:39 <jbicha> • Uploaded Builder 3.25.91 (with terminal disabled because of the vte/pcre2 thing. Maybe that can be re-enabled later if someone rebases the 3.24 patches)

 15:39 <jbicha> • Released GNOME Tweaks 3.25.92 and blogged about recent changes there

 15:39 <jbicha> • requested & sponsored bhavi's mobile-broadband-provider-info update. He intends to work on an SRU for it too

 15:39 <jbicha> • gnome-control-center 3.25 still blocked on someone rebasing the dock settings patch

 15:39 <jbicha> eof

 15:39 <jbicha> that's evolution-data-server's autopkgtests

 15:40 <seb128> jbicha, I'm working on that atm, I should have the UI part done today and Didier is going to look at the backend then

 15:40 <seb128> that = g-c-c dock settings

 15:40 <jbicha> thanks

 15:40 <seb128> yw

 15:40 <seb128> thanks jbicha, good work as usual! :-)

 15:40 <seb128> * snapd: updated pending polkit PRs based on review feedback.  The

 15:40 <seb128> allow-interaction PR has been merged, and I think the other is likely

 15:40 <seb128> to follow this week.

 15:40 <seb128> * snapd-glib: Robert merged my matching allow-interaction PR, which is

 15:40 <seb128> included in the 1.19 release.  At this point, it looks like we will

 15:40 <seb128> have everything in place to do graphical installs of snaps without a

 15:40 <seb128> store account once snapd 2.28 is released.

 15:40 <seb128> * Got my GNOME git account reactivated to ease future work on

 15:40 <seb128> gnome-software and any other upstream work.

 15:40 <seb128> And still to do:

 15:40 <seb128> * finish off porting privacy control panel abrt code to whoopsie and

 15:40 <seb128> get it into our packages.

 15:40 <seb128> * Add host system font support to "desktop" snapd interface once the

 15:40 <seb128> corresponding core snap PR is accepted.

 15:40 <seb128> * Check on status of theming in snaps, and features required to support portals.

 15:41 <seb128> 

 15:41 <seb128> - Daily triaging - errors.u.c, gnome-software, wayland, gdm/session

 15:41 <seb128> - Login session testing and test plan:

 15:41 <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlans/ubuntu-session

 15:41 <seb128> - Reviewed and merged fixes in utah for server testing

 15:41 <seb128> - SRU of gnome-software in xenial

 15:41 <seb128> - Submitted merge proposal with gnome core apps tests

 15:41 <seb128> - Results for tests running in MaaS are being reported to grafana dashboard

 15:41 <seb128> - Find out whether it is possible to introspect the login page

 15:42 <seb128> 

 15:42 <seb128> kenvandine, hey

 15:42 * kenvandine waves

 15:42 <kenvandine> * gnome-system-monitor is now available in the edge channel fully confined.  My request to auto-connect required interfaces did get two votes so should get the declaration added.

 15:42 <kenvandine> * spent time trying to figure out why thumbnails weren't working in eog, and found that if i hacked around the mimetype query it worked.  However, at some point it thumbnails started working (no idea why).  I've verified on in a clean VM I did get thumbnails from the version of eog published in the edge channel.  Would be nice if someone else could verify that as well.

 15:42 <kenvandine> * Had some more discussions related to auto-connecting of the gnome content interface and responded to that thread on the forum.  I think the best short term solution is to rename the snap as suggested and hope what they are working on in snapd will provide a more solid solution going forward.

 15:42 <kenvandine> * Created branches for all of my snaps adding the wayland interface.  Tested them all with wayland against core from edge, all good to go now.

 15:42 <kenvandine> * Working with folks from GNOME engaugement team to create some docs to help users transition from Unity to GNOME.

 15:42 <kenvandine> eof

 15:43 <seb128> kenvandine, what do you need testing with eog exactly?

 15:43 <kenvandine> install eog from edge, open an image with it

 15:43 <kenvandine> you should get the thumbnails at the bottom

 15:43 <kenvandine> oh

 15:43 <seb128> if the bottom bar is displayed?

 15:43 <kenvandine> you will probably need to check "Image Gallery" in the menu

 15:43 <seb128> right

 15:43 <kenvandine> yeah

 15:43 <seb128> k, I'm going to give it a try

 15:44 <kenvandine> thx

 15:44 <seb128> thanks kenvandine

 15:44 <seb128> Laney, hey

 15:44 <Laney> hi

 15:44 <Laney> • autopkgtest:

 15:44 <Laney> ∘ debugging ppc64el cloud-init brokenness, now reported (LP: #1715128)

 15:44 <Laney> ∘ arguing about when it's ok to force

 15:44 <Laney> ∘ s390x broke due to a firewall change, hassle people to get it working again

 15:44 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1715128 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "Crashes in convert_ec2_metadata_network_config on ScalingStack bos01 (ppc64el)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715128

 15:44 <Laney> ∘ try to get credentials for the new cloud to run s390x/ppc64el/arm64, let's us get rid of the special s390x setup and run on normal VMs

 15:44 <Laney> • some light sponsoring

 15:44 <Laney> • quite a few FF reviews

 15:44 <Laney> • random fixes/syncs (fwupd/evince/gnome-shell-extensions, ...)

 15:44 <Laney> • more mozjs52 armhf debugging, found a fix that was uploaded to artful & then committed to debian

 15:44 <Laney> • start working on some snap related changes we might want to do for 17.10

 15:45 <Laney> • currently looking at theme things in ubiquity-dm

 15:45 <Laney> 🏚️

 15:45 <seb128> thanks laney

 15:46 <seb128> - debugged a bit/reported xwayland&kvm segfault

 15:46 <seb128> - reported xwayland/arrows key issue

 15:46 <seb128> - tested new gnome-software/snapd-glib and reported problem still existing with the gnome-shell search provider

 15:46 <seb128> - landed some indicator-session pending packaging tweaks (extra icons installed, langpack in universe)

 15:46 <seb128> - debugged/fixed missing openvpn translations

 15:46 <seb128> - debugged/fixed gnome-bluetooth translation issues

 15:46 <seb128> - reviewed/accepted some new translation templated in launchpad

 15:46 <seb128> - tried to debug gnome-session starting the wrong session issue

 15:46 <seb128> - updated n-m-openvpn

 15:46 <seb128> - look a bit at updating the dock settings g-c-c patch but it's non trivial, changed to add a new panel

 15:46 <seb128> - sponsored the new libreoffice for Olivier

 15:46 <seb128> - dealt with mailman configuration changes on the desktop list, post server maintainance

 15:46 <seb128> </week>

 15:46 <seb128> 

 15:46 <seb128> - GSoC 2017: Final evaluations of the students

 15:46 <seb128> - cups-filters: Bug fixes, especially also on PCLm support, studied temporary alternative for PDF form printing as the QPDF changes did not get ready. Fixed a general PDF form printing bug.

 15:46 <seb128> - ghostscript: Reported upstream bug and got fix for PDF form printing.

 15:46 <seb128> - MuPDF: Reported PDF form printing bugs.

 15:46 <seb128> - Bugs

 15:47 <seb128> 

 15:47 <seb128> Trevinho, hey

 15:48 <Trevinho> · More work with clutter and resource scaling:

 15:48 <Trevinho> - Refactoring in ClutterActor and some fixes to avoid infinite loops

 15:48 <Trevinho> - Fixed multiple ClutterText issues (all the ones I found so far) fixing positioning, offsets and mouse integration in text entries

 15:48 <Trevinho> · More checks in gcc7 build issues, blocked by missing porter box for failing architectures

 15:48 <Trevinho> EOF

 15:48 <seb128> I didn't see him today but he's not

 15:48 <seb128> oh

 15:48 <seb128> hey Trevinho :-)

 15:48 <Trevinho> Hey seb128 😀

 15:48 <Trevinho> Hiding in the cave, but here

 15:48 <jbicha> I think a separate Dock panel is probably a good idea for the new layout (& I agree about the patch being non-trivial to update)

 15:48 <seb128> Laney, do you have any idea how we could unblock Trevinho's access to porter boxes?

 15:48 <Laney> what's blocking it?

 15:49 <seb128> jbicha, :-)

 15:49 <Laney> file an RT asking for it?#

 15:49 <seb128> Trevinho, do you have a r-t stuck or something?

 15:49 <Trevinho> Laney, seb128 I've opened the ticket...

 15:49 <Trevinho> but I'm waiting

 15:50 <Laney> how long?

 15:50 <Trevinho> They replied, but still working in that...

 15:50 <Trevinho> And I followed up yesterday too

 15:50 <Laney> if it's urgent / blocking you go ping the vanguard in #is internal and maybe they'll do it right away for you

 15:51 <seb128> k, let's do that off meeting

 15:51 <seb128> Trevinho, please /msg me the rt url

 15:51 <seb128> thanks Trevinho

 15:51 <Trevinho> It wasn't urgent, but I don't want to keep it staying in that state too much

 15:51 <Trevinho> Ack

 15:51 <seb128> #topic aob

 15:51 <seb128> do we have any other topic this week?

 15:52 <seb128> jbicha, g-c-c was already mentioned but I hope that gets unblocked this week

 15:52 <jbicha> .

 15:52 <seb128> seems on track for it

 15:52 <jbicha> ooh, I'd like to figure out what's required for failsafex and what we can safely drop

 15:52 <seb128> ah

 15:52 <seb128> I didn't really follow on that topic

 15:52 <jbicha> the whole xterm issue https://bugs.debian.org/856858

 15:52 <ubot5`> Debian bug 856858 in src:xterm "xterm: Please split .desktop files into separate binary package" [Normal,Open]

 15:52 <jbicha> and xdiagnose

 15:53 <jbicha> xdiagnose doesn't work in GNOME on Wayland any way

 15:53 <seb128> does the failsafex still make sense in a wayland world?

 15:53 <seb128> right...

 15:53 <didrocks> but we still have X, however, I would agree to drop it

 15:53 <jbicha> I need to follow up with tjaalton to get his input about all that

 15:54 <jbicha> I assume he's the one most interested in X stuff around Ubuntu now

 15:54 <didrocks> indeed

 15:54 <seb128> right, I was going to suggest asking tjaalton what he thinks

 15:55 <didrocks> for the record, we might move a bunch of icons to the "utilities" subgroup in GNOME Shell

 15:55 <didrocks> that was part of the hackfest discussion

 15:55 <didrocks> just need to find time for that

 15:55 <didrocks> (the list is in trello board)

 15:55 <didrocks> https://trello.com/c/Cpt4wwRw/204-london-fit-and-finish-hackfest

 15:55 <jbicha> didrocks: I had trouble hacking gnome-menus last year when I tried

 15:55 <didrocks> jbicha: oh? we have some in it, but what's the trouble was about?

 15:56 <jbicha> I wanted to kill Sundry

 15:56 <seb128> they didn't drop that utility subgroup thing yet?

 15:56 <seb128> it's sort of confusing imho :-/

 15:56 <didrocks> no, if you open your overview, you will find it

 15:56 <jbicha> in Ubuntu GNOME default, dconf-editor was the only thing in Sundry

 15:56 <seb128> right, I just did

 15:56 <seb128> the g-s dash is pretty poor, make me almost miss the unity one :p

 15:56 <didrocks> from the trello board, after a review between willcooke, popey and I: Update utilities (add imagemagick, xterm, fcitx*, input method, mozc setup, onboard settings, power statistics, software & update, startup applications, xterm, uxterm)

 15:56 <didrocks> well -onboard now :p

 15:56 <seb128> seems like most of that list should go away

 15:57 <seb128> fcitx as well

 15:57 <didrocks> what I tried to argue for, but others were unsure

 15:57 <jbicha> imagemagick has the same issue as xterm in that I want to hide or not install the .desktop but having trouble getting Debian to care for my proposal

 15:57 <seb128> we should do that in Ubuntu at least

 15:57 <didrocks> will seems to think people want to have this (horrible) imagemagick UI

 15:58 <didrocks> I was just going to NoDisplay it otherwise :p

 15:58 <jbicha> I'll file a bug with my imagemagick packaging proposal for you to review

 15:58 <seb128> thanks

 15:58 <didrocks> jbicha: well, not me, talk to Will first ;)

 15:58 <seb128> I can talk to Will&review

 15:58 <didrocks> the rest is rather "let's hide them in the utility section"

 15:59 <seb128> those sections are just weird but that would be better than nothing

 15:59 <jbicha> speaking of hiding things, LP: #1696250

 15:59 <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1696250 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Please hide Start Center and Math" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696250

 15:59 <seb128> I guess that's enough on that topic for the meeting

 15:59 <didrocks> yeah, to have a shorter list useful for our users

 15:59 <didrocks> yep

 15:59 <seb128> jbicha, ah, let's see with Olivier next week once he's back for that one

 15:59 <jbicha> ok

 15:59 <didrocks> jbicha: same, I tried to argue hiding Start

 15:59 <didrocks> I was in the minority :)

 16:00 <seb128> other topics?

 16:00 <jbicha> no aob from me today

 16:00 <kenvandine> nope

 16:00 <didrocks> nothing else!

 16:00 <seb128> k

 16:00 <seb128> btw those who have upload rights

 16:01 <seb128> didrocks, kenvandine, jbicha, Laney, if any of you want to review the ubuntu-restricted suggested changes from the list please do

 16:02 <seb128> if nobody does I'm just going to upload with libav added

 16:02 <seb128> since that's blocking duflu for weeks

 16:02 <seb128> I don't have enough opinion/context on what restricted is supposed to do to be confident uploading all the suggested changes

 16:03 <seb128> k, that was my aob for today

 16:03 <seb128> I guess we can wrap

 16:03 <seb128> thanks everybody

 16:03 <seb128> #endmeeting



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