== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team 2017-08-29, 29 Aug at 15:30 — 16:10 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-08-29-15.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== andyrock ===
The discussion about "andyrock" started at 15:31.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 15:33.


=== duflu ===
The discussion about "duflu" started at 15:34.


=== jbicha ===
The discussion about "jbicha" started at 15:36.


=== jamesh ===
The discussion about "jamesh" started at 15:37.


=== jibel/heber ===
The discussion about "jibel/heber" started at 15:38.


=== kenvandine ===
The discussion about "kenvandine" started at 15:39.


=== laney ===
The discussion about "laney" started at 15:41.


=== oSoMoN ===
The discussion about "oSoMoN" started at 15:44.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 15:46.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 15:46.


=== trevinho ===
The discussion about "trevinho" started at 15:47.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 15:49.


=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:49.


=== Trevinho ===
The discussion about "Trevinho" started at 16:08.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (137)
 * jbicha (35)
 * Laney (30)
 * Trevinho (16)
 * kenvandine (14)
 * ubot5 (13)
 * heber (12)
 * oSoMoN (9)
 * andyrock (7)
 * dgadomski (5)
 * tkamppeter (5)
 * meetingology (3)
 * tseliot (1)



== Full Log ==


 15:30 <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team 2017-08-29

 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 29 15:30:40 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:30 <meetingology> 

 15:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:30 <jbicha> o/

 15:30 <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks (out), duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber (out), kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 15:30 <andyrock> hey

 15:30 <kenvandine> o/

 15:30 <oSoMoN> 🐵/

 15:31 <heber> o/

 15:31 <Laney> moin

 15:31 <seb128> ok, quite some people around, let's get started :-)

 15:31 <seb128> #topic andyrock

 15:31 <seb128> andyrock, hey

 15:31 <andyrock> # Proposed branches for artful and xenial for canonical-livepatch, update-manager, update-notifier

 15:32 <andyrock> # Working on sofware-properties (right now the error dialog)

 15:32 <andyrock> # Help debugging a lockscreen issue (sometimes the text-entry field does not appera)

 15:32 <andyrock> # Fixing a build issue with date-time

 15:32 <andyrock> *date-time indicator

 15:32 <andyrock> #eow

 15:33 <seb128> thanks andyrock

 15:33 <seb128> #topic dgadomski

 15:33 <seb128> dgadomski, hey

 15:33 <dgadomski> hey

 15:33 <dgadomski> * verified fix to bug #1702529

 15:33 <dgadomski> * still discussing options for disabling WiFi Direct capabilities for iwlwifi devices (to conform to some Cisco hw settings related to WFD)

 15:33 <dgadomski> * back to examining python performance regression (bug #1638695)

 15:33 <ubot5> bug 1702529 in samba (Ubuntu Zesty) " ACCESS_DENIED with symlinks within a root ("/") share" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702529

 15:33 <ubot5> bug 1638695 in python2.7 (Ubuntu) "Python 2.7.12 performance regression" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638695

 15:33 <dgadomski> eof

 15:34 <tseliot> Laney: hey, have you had the chance to review my patch?

 15:34 <seb128> thanks dgadomski

 15:34 <seb128> #topic duflu

 15:34 <Laney> tseliot: no sorry (plus I thought upstream was doing it) (also, let's wait until after the meeting)

 15:34 <seb128> * Totem:

 15:34 <seb128> - Unexpectedly lost a day trying to fix random totem build failures: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786248

 15:34 <seb128> - Making great progress profiling totem, but its hotspots vary between different video files and between X vs Wayland.

 15:34 <seb128> - Now focusing on Totem on Wayland where it spends 50% of its CPU rendering GTK/widgets (even in fullscreen where no widgets are visible).

 15:34 <ubot5> Gnome bug 786248 in general "error: Package `Totem-1.0' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories" [Normal,New]

 15:34 <seb128> * Gnome Shell:

 15:34 <seb128> - Lost a day testing Gnome Shell 3.25/3.26 and comparing app performance. While performance is good, the improvements don't seem to affect totem's own clutter performance problems. I had hoped they were related...

 15:34 <seb128> - Lost another day chasing down broken colours in Gnome Shell 3.25/3.26 affecting totem and some other apps; https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786786

 15:34 <ubot5> Gnome bug 786786 in wayland "clutter apps (e.g. totem, gnome-maps, pinpoint) colours are wrong (red/blue swapped) in Gnome Shell 3.25 Wayland" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]

 15:34 <seb128> . Now fixed, which is good since that pre-emptively unblocks the move to Gnome 3.26

 15:34 <seb128> * Bluez:

 15:34 <seb128> - Released: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/5.46-0ubuntu2

 15:35 <seb128> * PulseAudio:

 15:35 <seb128> - Almost released?: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:8.0-0ubuntu3.4

 15:35 <seb128> * Video acceleration:

 15:35 <seb128> - Public announcement about out-of-box support is still blocked awaiting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-addons/+bug/1709166

 15:35 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1709166 in ubuntu-restricted-addons (Ubuntu) "Refresh Restricted Addons" [Undecided,In progress]

 15:35 <seb128> * Awaiting sponsorship:

 15:35 <seb128> - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-addons/+bug/1709166  (FFE now?)

 15:35 <seb128> - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:8.0-0ubuntu3.4

 15:35 <seb128> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, gdm, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio and mir.

 15:35 <seb128> 

 15:35 <seb128> if somebody knows about ubuntu-restricted-addons and want to review/sponsor that one ^

 15:36 <seb128> ok, I hope it's done copying

 15:36 <seb128> let's move on

 15:36 <seb128> #topic jbicha

 15:36 <seb128> jbicha, hey

 15:36 <jbicha> • split packages for better behavior with GNOME Software (gedit-plugins, eog-plugins, evolution)

 15:36 <jbicha> • fixed libxcursor packaging regression

 15:36 <jbicha> • Lots of GNOME 3.25.91 work for Feature Freeze

 15:36 <jbicha> • Filed some late MIRs for GNOME apps LP: #1713171 LP: #1713176

 15:36 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1713171 in gnome-todo (Ubuntu) "FFE: [MIR] gnome-todo" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713171

 15:36 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1713176 in gnome-characters (Ubuntu) "FFe: [MIR] gnome-characters" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713176

 15:36 <jbicha> • GTK 3.22.19 with cherry-picked regression fix LP: #1712701

 15:36 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1712701 in gtk+3.0 (Debian) "Clicking on a GtkRange inside a GtkMenuitem makes the parent disappear" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1712701

 15:36 <jbicha> • Uploaded james_h's Captive Portal work, uploaded the -ubuntu connectivity package

 15:36 <jbicha> • Became a Debian Developer

 15:36 <jbicha> eof

 15:37 <seb128> congrats on becoming a Debian Developer!

 15:37 <kenvandine> jbicha, congrats!

 15:37 <seb128> and nice work on the MIRs/FFe/updates

 15:37 <seb128> thanks jbicha

 15:37 <seb128> #topic jamesh

 15:38 <seb128> snapd: Initial polkit patch was accepted to master.  I've put together

 15:38 <seb128> two more PRs that build on top of it that are listed on the review

 15:38 <seb128> sprint.  When running snapd with these patches, I was able to install

 15:38 <seb128> snaps via gnome-software without providing Ubuntu One credentials.

 15:38 <seb128> snapd-glib: wrote a small pull request to handle the

 15:38 <seb128> X-Allow-Interaction header added by one of the new snapd PRs.

 15:38 <seb128> fonts for snaps: created a PR to add empty directories to the core

 15:38 <seb128> snap as mount points for system fonts.

 15:38 <seb128> gnome-control-center: started looking at hooking whoopsie up to the

 15:38 <seb128> privacy control panel using the existing UI for ABRT

 15:38 <seb128> 

 15:38 <seb128> #topic jibel/heber

 15:38 <heber> hey! QA updates:

 15:38 <heber> * In depth, manual review of the installer (live session, oem configuration, disk partitioning, …)

 15:38 <heber> * Tested wayland session by default (new installation and upgrade from Zesty)

 15:38 <heber> * Fixed update-manager on wayland in Artful and SRU to Zesty

 15:38 <heber> * Fixed Ubiquity OEM mode in Artful

 15:38 <heber> * Dealing with failing upgrade tests in QA lab

 15:38 <heber> * Performed SRU verification of gnome-software, appstream-glib, gnome-logs, update-notifier, update-manager

 15:39 <heber> * Fix cleaning up functions for VMs in utah and upgrade jobs.

 15:39 <heber> * Analyze/fix failing jobs for Artful in MaaS.

 15:39 <heber> * Identify/Automate default apps tests.

 15:39 <heber> EOF

 15:39 <seb128> heber, hey, and thanks

 15:39 <seb128> #topic kenvandine

 15:39 <seb128> kenvandine, hey

 15:39 <kenvandine> * Built a classic snap for gnome-system-monitor, which I just got working with strict confinement but requires manually

 15:39 <kenvandine> connecting some interfaces.  This is awaiting review in the store now.

 15:39 <kenvandine> - I need to create a forum thread to request it be auto-connected to some interfaces

 15:39 <kenvandine> * Built confined eog snap, mostly works and published to edge channel.  Thumbnails aren't working, which I think I've traced down to mimetype query fails.  Looking into a way to fix that.

 15:39 <kenvandine> * Did some testing of theme fixes, thanks Trevinho!  I think I still owe a review on one of them, I'll double check.

 15:39 <kenvandine> eof

 15:40 <kenvandine> that first point was i started with a working classic snap for g-s-m :)

 15:40 <kenvandine> now it's confined

 15:40 <kenvandine> or i first created it as a classic :)

 15:41 <seb128> kenvandine, done?

 15:41 <kenvandine> yup

 15:41 <seb128> thanks kenvandine!

 15:41 <seb128> #topic laney

 15:41 <seb128> Laney, hey

 15:42 <Laney> HI

 15:42 <Laney> • short week, public holiday monday

 15:42 <Laney> • fixed some gnome-software bugs, uploaded the latest release, got it into artful

 15:42 <Laney> • some testing of NM connectivity checker, found/backported a curl patch to fix some things there

 15:42 <Laney> • some mozjs52/armhf debugging / investigating with upstream

 15:42 <Laney> • console-setup: a bit more work on the patch, that got uploaded

 15:42 <Laney> • autopkgtest:

 15:42 <Laney> ∘ bump the inotify limit for lxd/lxc workers

 15:42 <Laney> ∘ look at why zesty is erroring when collecting data for the web UI - problem with the swift servers, reported to IS

 15:42 <Laney> ∘ possibly something going on with building new images, investigating that with slangasek atm

 15:42 <Laney> • poking at stuff in proposed to get it to migrate

 15:42 <Laney> • start looking at XDG_DATA_DIRS problems in wayland (Xsession.d stuff), probably need a couple of snippets there

 15:42 <Laney> 💨

 15:43 <seb128> Laney, some of the snappy team people are working on the XDG_DATA_DIRS, you should maybe comment if you want to change the outcome before commit

 15:43 <seb128> thanks Laney

 15:43 <Laney> it's not just for snap

 15:43 <Laney> like the /usr/share/$DESKTOP_SESSION thing

 15:43 <seb128> ah, right, sorry

 15:43 <seb128> yeah, we have a trello card about that, maybe add yourself to it :-)

 15:43 <kenvandine> also sound themes are broken

 15:43 <Laney> I assigned myself to the bug

 15:43 <seb128> thanks Laney

 15:44 <Laney> np

 15:44 <seb128> kenvandine, report a bug if there isn't one

 15:44 <seb128> #topic oSoMoN

 15:44 <seb128> oSoMoN, hey

 15:44 <kenvandine> there is

 15:44 <oSoMoN> hey team

 15:44 <oSoMoN> • Updated chromium stable to 60.0.3112.113, ready for publication in staging PPA.

 15:44 <oSoMoN> • Updated chromium beta to 61.0.3163.59, now building for all supported series with is_component_build=false and is_official_build=true.

 15:44 <oSoMoN> • Updated chromium dev to 62.0.3192.0 and spent a fair amount of time and energy to get it to build on trusty, unsuccessfully. Started conversation to decide the way forward to continue supporting trusty with newer chromium releases.

 15:44 <oSoMoN> • Investigated libreoffice 5.4 autopkgtest failures on non x86-64, tracked down to architecture-dependent file that was being installed by an arch-indep package (bug #1712873), fix will go into 5.4.1, to be released this week.

 15:44 <ubot5> bug 1712873 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "autopkgtests failures on i386 and s390x for 5.4.0, assumes wrong architecture" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1712873

 15:44 <oSoMoN> • Investigating libreoffice 5.4.0 snap issues (bug #1713730 and bug #1713742)

 15:44 <ubot5> bug 1713730 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] With libreoffice 5.4.0, soffice.bin is defunct after closing the application" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713730

 15:44 <ubot5> bug 1713742 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] libreoffice 5.4.0 snap has incorrect file permissions for some files installed by stage packages" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713742

 15:44 <oSoMoN> • That's all folks 🐰

 15:45 <seb128> thanks oSoMoN, good work

 15:45 <seb128> do you know how libreoffice migrated out of proposed with the test issue?

 15:45 <seb128> did somebody forced it through?

 15:45 <oSoMoN> I assumed you did :)

 15:46 <seb128> no I didn't, I guess somebody wanted to force poppler in or something

 15:46 <seb128> anyway good for us :-)

 15:46 <jbicha> webkit2gtk will require a newer gcc to build on xenial (for the 2.20 cycle I believe) so I'm interested to see what happens with trusty

 15:46 <seb128> thanks

 15:46 <seb128> #topic seb128

 15:46 <seb128> * one vac day

 15:46 <seb128> * reported some upstream bugs

 15:46 <seb128> * started changing indicators to use langpacks again from universe

 15:46 <seb128> * debugged/fixed g-s-d notifications not displaying translated

 15:46 <seb128> * debugged a g-c-c segfault

 15:46 <seb128> * investigated reports about glib-compile-schemas issues, figured out a testcase/got a valgrind log of an error

 15:46 <seb128> * triaged recent launchpad reports and some of the nautilus backlog

 15:46 <seb128> </week>

 15:46 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 15:47 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Added PCLm support from the GSoC student project. Now we have full support for driverless printing with all known standards, especially also on Mopria and Wi-Fi Direct printers. Also improved the handling of reolutions reported by driverless printing, especially to work around firmware bugs. Released cups-filters 1.17.2.

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Reported 2 crash bugs upstream which caused around 20 reports each on errors.ubuntu.com. These bugs got fixed upstream then. Backported the patch to the Debian package of CUPS and synced the package (with additional bug fixes) to Ubuntu.

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: The coding period ended today and the student had to make a final web presentation of their work. Reviewed the presentations of the 7 OpenPrinting students. They will all pass the final evaluation and we will soon work on the upstream integration of the projects (PCLm support I have already integrated, see above).

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.

 15:47 <seb128> thanks tkamppeter

 15:47 <seb128> #topic trevinho

 15:47 <seb128> Trevinho, hey

 15:48 <seb128> maaarcccoooo

 15:48 <tkamppeter> seb128, sorry, I meant 20 crash reports/day each.

 15:49 <seb128> tkamppeter, no worry, good work in any case :-)

 15:49 <seb128> no Trevinho I guess

 15:49 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell

 15:49 <seb128> - gnome-software 3.20.5-0ubuntu0.16.04.6 and 3.22.7-0ubuntu3.17.04.7 SRUs uploaded.

 15:49 <seb128> - snapd-glib 1.17 released with fixes for threaded apps

 15:49 <seb128> #topic AOB

 15:49 <seb128> did I forget anyone? any other topic?

 15:50 <jbicha> I have some AOB

 15:50 <jbicha> gnome-control-center 3.25.91 blocked on rebasing network-proxy and dock-settings patches

 15:50 <jbicha> GNOME Shell is held up by mozjs52 being broken on armhf

 15:50 <jbicha> One temporary workaround would be to remove gjs 1.49 (and a few rebuilds) from -proposed since gnome-shell 3.25.91 still works with gjs 1.48/mozjs38

 15:51 <seb128> one topic at time

 15:51 <seb128> is the rebasing difficult?

 15:51 <seb128> I can help and look at rebasing the dock settings tomorrow

 15:51 <Trevinho> seb128: sorry, I missed my moment...

 15:51 <jbicha> I looked at rebasing the network-proxy patch but what I came up with crashed :|

 15:51 <Trevinho> Working in mutter, fixing issues with small text in fractional scaling and wallpaper issues

 15:52 <seb128> Trevinho, wait, I come back to your after the aob

 15:52 <Trevinho> ah ok

 15:52 <seb128> jbicha, your patch is in the branch you pushed?

 15:52 <jbicha> not yet but I'll go ahead and push there after meeting

 15:52 <seb128> thanks

 15:52 <seb128> I can help with that tomorrow

 15:52 <seb128> about gjs I didn't try to follow muhc

 15:53 <seb128> Laney do you understand the situations and our options?

 15:53 <seb128> if so does what jbicha suggested makes sense to you?

 15:53 <jbicha> GNOME bug is at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/786578 if you want to read up later

 15:53 <ubot5> Gnome bug 786578 in general "gnome-shell unit test failures on armhf with gjs 1.49/mozjs52" [Normal,New]

 15:54 <seb128> k

 15:54 <Laney> it's probably ok for now but I think it should be fixed before the release

 15:54 <Laney> we can't be blocked on an old mozjs

 15:54 <seb128> right

 15:54 <seb128> well let me know if you need an archive admin

 15:54 <Laney> yes

 15:54 <seb128> I'm happy to enter commands as needed

 15:54 <Laney> jbicha will presumably tell you what to delete

 15:55 <seb128> k

 15:55 <jbicha> ok

 15:55 <seb128> that seems on track then

 15:55 <seb128> jbicha, did you want to discuss the connectivity changes as well?

 15:55 <jbicha> What should pull in the connectivity package? LP: #997200

 15:55 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 997200 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Artful) "Add NetworkManager connectivity config package" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/997200

 15:55 <Laney> seed it?

 15:55 <jbicha> I am proposing we add it to the desktop-common seed

 15:55 <jbicha> as a Depends

 15:56 <seb128> why depends and not recommends?

 15:56 <jbicha> it provides the URL that is needed for gnome-control-center's Privacy settings to work

 15:56 <seb128> (unsure why I ask since I don't have a strong opinion either way)

 15:56 <seb128> k

 15:56 <Laney> wait

 15:56 <Laney> work in what way?

 15:56 * seb128 waits

 15:57 <jbicha> it can be disabled with a simple 2-line /etc file if someone doesn't run gnome-control-center

 15:57 <jbicha> Captive Portal needs a URL to work so I think if there is no URL configured, g-c-c will lie and say it's turned on?

 15:58 <Laney> umm

 15:58 <Laney> I think g-c-c should rather hide the row in that case

 15:58 <jbicha> why would we want someone to not have the URL pre-configured?

 15:59 <Laney> it sounds like your rationale is to work around a bug in the control-center

 15:59 <jbicha> we could make a separate package with that 2-line snippet to disable if that would make people feel better

 16:00 <jbicha> is desktop-common the right place for at least a recommends?

 16:01 <Laney> probably the same place network-manager is seeded

 16:02 <seb128> wfm

 16:03 <jbicha> I think NM is seeded individually in all the desktop flavors

 16:04 <jbicha> lubuntu-next briefly switched to some other networking stack this cycle but it broke so they are back on NM

 16:05 <jbicha> the snippet doesn't hurt anything if NM isn't installed

 16:05 <seb128> I don't have any opinion either way

 16:05 <seb128> maybe you and Laney decide after the meeting

 16:05 <seb128> I don't think we need to discuss it more in the meeting?

 16:05 <jbicha> ok, we can talk more later

 16:05 <seb128> thanks

 16:05 <seb128> any other topic?

 16:05 <jbicha> how about dropping onboard from the default install?

 16:06 <seb128> +1

 16:06 <seb128> it doesn't work with wayland

 16:06 <seb128> maybe we get it back next cycle

 16:07 <jbicha> and my final AOB is just pinging about our outstanding MIRs

 16:07 <seb128> it's a bit tricky to get mir reviuew cycle; I will see if I can buy somebody some beers to help

 16:08 <seb128> thanks again for filling those!

 16:08 <jbicha> ok, that's it for me, thanks for your patience

 16:08 <Trevinho> seb128: can I go now?

 16:08 <seb128> np, thanks for pushing us forward

 16:08 <seb128> #topic Trevinho

 16:08 <seb128> Trevinho, yes

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Mutter for fractional scaling: fixed wallpaper positioning, and text rendering

 16:08 <Trevinho> working in some issues with offscreen animations

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Some debugging for indicators support in gnome shell, discussions about tray

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Worked in some changes for appindicator GS extension

 16:09 <Trevinho> · Theme fixes for destructive action in ambiance/radiance

 16:09 <Trevinho> · Review of theme changes and landed them

 16:09 <Trevinho> · Tests for $other_project

 16:09 <Trevinho> :motor_scooter:

 16:09 <Trevinho> and sorry for missing the moment :)

 16:09 <seb128> thanks Trevinho

 16:09 <seb128> no worry

 16:09 <seb128> is transmission supposed to work with the appindicator extension?

 16:09 <seb128> seems not here when I tried

 16:09 <jbicha> Trevinho: why is fractional scaling hidden behind an experimental gsettings value?

 16:09 <Trevinho> seb128: yep, once you enable the setting

 16:09 <Trevinho> jbicha: cause there are some issues we're still fixing

 16:10 <seb128> I tried to enable the setting, going to try again later

 16:10 <seb128> thanks Trevinho

 16:10 <Trevinho> jbicha: such as gnome shell thing being blurry as not properly rendered

 16:10 <seb128> and I think on that note it's a wrap

 16:10 <seb128> thanks everyone

 16:10 <seb128> #endmeeting



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