== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop Meeting, 08 Aug at 15:30 — 16:07 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-08-08-15.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 15:31.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:32.


=== duflu ===
The discussion about "duflu" started at 15:34.


=== jbicha ===
The discussion about "jbicha" started at 15:35.


=== jamesh ===
The discussion about "jamesh" started at 15:37.


=== jibel / heber ===
The discussion about "jibel / heber" started at 15:38.


=== kenvandine ===
The discussion about "kenvandine" started at 15:38.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:39.


=== oSoMoN ===
The discussion about "oSoMoN" started at 15:40.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 15:42.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 15:43.


=== Trevinho ===
The discussion about "Trevinho" started at 15:44.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 15:48.


=== aob ===
The discussion about "aob" started at 15:49.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (125)
 * jbicha (33)
 * didrocks (30)
 * Trevinho (17)
 * ubot5 (14)
 * Laney (13)
 * oSoMoN (10)
 * heber (7)
 * dgadomski (6)
 * kenvandine (6)
 * meetingology` (3)
 * meetingology (2)



== Full Log ==


 15:30 <seb128> #startmeeting

 15:30 <meetingology`> Meeting started Tue Aug  8 15:30:17 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  8 15:30:16 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 15:30 <seb128> Roll call: andyrock (out), dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, heber, kenvandine, laney (out), oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 15:30 <jbicha> o/

 15:30 <Trevinho> hey

 15:30 <didrocks> hey hey

 15:30 <heber> o/

 15:31 <oSoMoN> o/

 15:31 <seb128> good, seems we have quite some people here :-)

 15:31 <seb128> let's get started then

 15:31 <seb128> #topic dgadomski

 15:31 <seb128> dgadomski, hey

 15:31 <dgadomski> hey

 15:31 <dgadomski> * prepared autopkgtests for bug #1700827 (and reported https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=871254 to include them in Debian before import freeze)

 15:31 <dgadomski> * prepared debdiff for bug #1674680 and learned to use git for bluez ;)

 15:31 <dgadomski> * implemented a fix for bug #1699179 and testing it

 15:31 <dgadomski> * didn't have much time for bug #1701073, but will get back to this

 15:31 <ubot5> Debian bug 871254 in pcp "pcp missing autopkgtests and debian/watch" [Normal,Open]

 15:31 <ubot5> bug 1700827 in pcp (Ubuntu) "[MIR] pcp package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1700827

 15:31 <ubot5> bug 1674680 in bluez (Debian) "Deprecated rfcomm.conf still mentioned in bluetooth.conf and README" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1674680

 15:31 <ubot5> bug 1699179 in landscape-client (Ubuntu) "PackageReporter kicks in during do-release-upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699179

 15:31 <ubot5> bug 1701073 in samba (Ubuntu) "CVE-2017-2619 regression breaks symlinks to directories" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701073

 15:32 <dgadomski> eof

 15:32 <seb128> thanks dgadomski

 15:32 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:32 <seb128> didrocks, hey

 15:32 <didrocks> hey

 15:32 <didrocks> * Add blog post about Ubuntu Make as a classic snap (part 3), and amend with recent badges + build.snapcraft.io small issues reported as bugs.

 15:32 <didrocks> * Reviewed and merged some fixes blocking the archive and snap badge support.

 15:32 <didrocks> * Debugged and fixed some nautilus bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1706542

 15:32 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1706542 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Can only launch Nautilus once in GNOME shell" [Undecided,Fix released]

 15:32 <didrocks> * GUADEC: attend conference and some unconferences days. Set up and talk about our plan regarding 17.10

 15:32 <didrocks> * Wrote those plans on https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/03/ubuntu--guadec-2017-and-plans-for-gnome-shell-migration/. Got a lot of overall good feedbacks on the french forum, blog post and popular websites like omgubuntu. Answered and tracked them.

 15:32 <didrocks> * Change the "sound above 100%" strategy for being clearer to our users after some discussions at GUADEC, implemented it in a desktop-agnostic way as well. Will try to push it upstream.

 15:32 <didrocks> * Plan for next week blog posts on our GNOME Shell plans and preparing technical work for it (ongoing this week).

 15:33 <didrocks> * Multiple tests per-desktop settings, which worked on the second attempt. Reported feedback upstream.

 15:33 <didrocks> * Did some override keys cleanups, more to come with per-desktop cleanups (in progress).

 15:33 <didrocks> .

 15:33 <seb128> thanks didrocks, nice work and great GUADEC :-)

 15:34 <didrocks> was nice, indeed! :-)

 15:34 <seb128> #topic duflu

 15:34 <seb128> * Video acceleration:

 15:34 <seb128> - More work on gstreamer-vaapi corruption+performance on Wayland:

 15:34 <seb128> . https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740753

 15:34 <seb128> . Proposed a third version of the patch.

 15:34 <seb128> . Updated PPA: https://launchpad.net/~vanvugt/+archive/ubuntu/videoaccel

 15:34 <ubot5> Gnome bug 740753 in gstreamer-vaapi "vaapisink: add support for EGL" [Enhancement,New]

 15:34 <seb128> . Finally crafted a safe workaround for Intel driver failures, and a day later found Intel had beaten me to it by 3 weeks:

 15:34 <seb128> - Distro-patched Intel driver bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/170809

 15:34 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 172053 in Inkscape "duplicate for #170809 select translation by UI" [Medium,Fix released]

 15:34 <seb128> - Distro-patched gstreamer-vaapi with the final clean fix for Wayland corruption and performance issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1701463

 15:34 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1701463 in gstreamer-vaapi (Ubuntu) "gst-vaapi+Wayland = rendering corruption in totem (but not in gst-play-1.0)" [High,In progress]

 15:34 <seb128> - Note: Totem performance is still poor compared to mpv/gst-play-1.0 but at least it plays with acceleration now (less poor than it was).

 15:34 <seb128> - Prototyped: Distro-patch for MPV to enable acceleration by default. Can't propose it formally until the pending sync is completed (held up by dependency test failures, nothing to do with me).

 15:34 <seb128> - Expanded the wiki to document YouTube support: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelQuickSyncVideo

 15:34 <seb128> * PulseAudio:

 15:34 <seb128> - Completed the removal of Android support (Ubuntu Touch) from PulseAudio and proposed for artful: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1709055

 15:34 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1709055 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Drop support for Android (Ubuntu Touch patches)" [Medium,In progress]

 15:34 <seb128> * BlueZ:

 15:34 <seb128> - Rebuilt the git repo again, to resolve uncoordinated uploads conflicting with the testing PPA: https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez

 15:34 <seb128> * Help wanted:

 15:34 <seb128> - Three sponsorships queued: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/

 15:34 <seb128> - And more coming soon.

 15:34 <seb128> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, gdm, ubuntu-themes, DKMS, bluez, pulseaudio and mir.

 15:34 <seb128> * Travel planning: Trying to find sane flights (and cheaper accommodation) for September. A surprisingly time-consuming activity.

 15:35 <seb128> #topic jbicha

 15:35 <seb128> jbicha, hey

 15:35 <jbicha> • Fixed LP: #1678606 LP: #1702832  LP: #1703326

 15:35 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1678606 in network-manager (Ubuntu Zesty) "[packaging] Missing dnsmasq-base dependency causes wifi hotspot/network sharing feature broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1678606

 15:35 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1702832 in gnome-shell-extensions (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell-extensions package depends on gnome-session" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702832

 15:35 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1703326 in ubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Lock screen wallpaper is a plain blue screen" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1703326

 15:35 <jbicha> • Fixed LP: #1707311 and pushed upstream

 15:35 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1707311 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "shotwell FTBFS, macro APPDATA_XML is not defined" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1707311

 15:35 <jbicha> • Cherry-picked some glib commits to fix sid FTBFS for some other apps

 15:35 <jbicha> • Merged dbus, gnome-keyring, udisks2 with Debian

 15:35 <jbicha> • Rebuilt some packages to help with the Python3.6 transition

 15:35 <jbicha> • Drove Debian's gnome-settings-daemon 3.24 transition

 15:36 <jbicha> • Packaged gnome-shell 3.25.4 for GNOME3 Staging PPA

 15:36 <jbicha> • Several other updates for artful and 3.25 stuff for the PPA

 15:36 <jbicha> • Did some MIR work and made trello cards for them

 15:36 <jbicha> • Resurrected Power Off option for Power Button action, will be in gnome-control-center 3.25.90

 15:36 <jbicha> • Also, darkxst led a talk at GUADEC about Ubuntu and GNOME. And he fixed the mozjs52 build which is now in artful

 15:36 <jbicha> eof

 15:36 <seb128> thanks jbicha

 15:36 <seb128> nice one of the power button action!

 15:36 <jbicha> I took advantage of the new maintainer ;)

 15:36 <seb128> hehe

 15:37 <seb128> k, next

 15:37 <seb128> #topic jamesh

 15:37 <jbicha> old maintainer wasn't too happy: "why would anyone want this?" or something

 15:37 <seb128> jbicha, glad that the new maintainer is more understanding then!

 15:37 <seb128> jamesh, I guess you are not around (and I didn't get your summary I think maybe will overlooked to fwd it)

 15:38 <seb128> #topic jibel / heber

 15:38 <seb128> jibel, heber, hey

 15:38 <heber> hey!

 15:38 <heber> My updates:

 15:38 <heber> * Add cleanup function in ISO tests

 15:38 <heber> * Fix tests on testflinger jobs

 15:38 <heber> * Fix unstable ubiquity tests

 15:38 <heber> EOF

 15:38 <seb128> thanks heber

 15:38 <seb128> #topic kenvandine

 15:38 <kenvandine> * Attended through Wednesday and travelled on Thursday

 15:38 <kenvandine> * Working on snaps for gnome-calendar and gnome-contacts.  These need GOA support in the online-accounts interface to be strictly confined, might build as classic snaps for now.

 15:38 <kenvandine> EOF

 15:38 <seb128> kenvandine, hey

 15:39 <kenvandine> whoops

 15:39 <kenvandine> attended GUADEC :)

 15:39 <seb128> that went wrong

 15:39 <seb128> ah, I was wondering :p

 15:39 <seb128> thanks kenvandine

 15:39 <seb128> #topic Laney

 15:39 <seb128> Laney, you around or out for debconf?

 15:40 <seb128> I guess at debconf then

 15:40 <seb128> and he was at GUADEC before

 15:40 <seb128> #topic oSoMoN

 15:40 <seb128> oSoMoN, hey

 15:40 <oSoMoN> hey there

 15:40 <Trevinho> Laney: slacker! :-D

 15:40 <oSoMoN> • updated chromium stable to 60.0.3112.78, pending Chris's validation

 15:40 <oSoMoN> • next chromium stable update is 60.0.3112.90, already lined up in a PPA

 15:40 <oSoMoN> • updated chromium beta to 61.0.3163.31

 15:40 <oSoMoN> • updated chromium dev to 62.0.3175.4, looking into armhf build errors

 15:40 <oSoMoN> • built chromium packages in a PPA with intel patch to enable hardware accelerated video decoding using VA-API

 15:40 <oSoMoN> • updating libreoffice snap to 5.4.0 (looking into unit test failure)

 15:40 <oSoMoN> ^D

 15:41 <seb128> oSoMoN, is chromium va-api giving good results?

 15:41 <oSoMoN> not tested yet (next on my list), but I know that willcooke was going to test it too

 15:41 <seb128> cool, let us know how it goes

 15:41 <seb128> thanks oSoMoN

 15:42 <seb128> #topic seb128

 15:42 <seb128> * (thursday off as a swap day)

 15:42 <seb128> * GUADEC

 15:42 <seb128> * trello board reviews&update

 15:42 <seb128> * landed ubiquity/gsd fix

 15:42 <seb128> * language pack update for artful including gdm translations

 15:42 <seb128> * investigated a bit & discussed solution for XDG_DATA_DIR/wayland/snap issues

 15:42 <seb128> * tested the g-c-c printer panel and reported some issues upstream (tested on fedora as well to see if the problem were distro specific, they are not)

 15:42 <seb128> * joined several planning meetings

 15:42 <seb128> * uploaded a bluez fix for receiving files

 15:42 <seb128> * reported a bunch of upstream GNOME issues

 15:42 <seb128> * reviewed the trello board for feature freeze, postponed some work to next cycle

 15:43 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 15:43 <seb128> tkamppeter, unsure if you are around? I got your update via email otherwise

 15:44 <seb128> k, let me copy it then

 15:44 <seb128> - CUPS snap: Checked the situation and posted about all remaining problems in the snapcraft forum. Especially the avahi snap is not ready yet. Got answer from ondra that a working avahi snap should be on Edge tomorrow.

 15:44 <seb128> - ghostscript: Merged upstream version 9.21 from Debian into Ubuntu.

 15:44 <seb128> - hplip, cups-bjnp, ippusbxd: Synced newest versions from Debian.

 15:44 <seb128> - system-config-printer: New snapshot from upstream GIT.

 15:44 <seb128> - Checked all printing-related packages in Ubuntu whether they are up-to-date.

 15:44 <seb128> - IPP-over-USB: No news from Trent Lloyd yet.

 15:44 <seb128> - Bugs.

 15:44 <seb128> #topic Trevinho

 15:44 <seb128> Trevinho, hey

 15:44 <Trevinho> 17/31

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Refactored mutter resource scale (now moved to mutter itself from shell's stwidgets)

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Exposing monitor scaling

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Added support for scaling clutter canvas

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Fixed background-actor to work full-quality in scaled environments

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Adapted shell to mutter changes

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Improved the icons quality in fractional scaling

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Some tests to get the OIP (other internal project) working

 15:44 <Trevinho> · Got some seaside pleasure

 15:44 <Trevinho> 🌊

 15:45 <seb128> Trevinho, is some of that scaling working landing upstream this cycle?

 15:45 <Trevinho> seb128: we wanted to, but there are some things to shape yet, so not sure if we can get

 15:46 <jbicha> integer scaling is in 3.26 though, right?

 15:46 <Trevinho> as we might be late for the ABI freeze

 15:46 <Trevinho> jbicha: even fractional, but it's under experimental features

 15:46 <Trevinho> while the UI bits aren't there

 15:46 <Trevinho> so only the mutter part landed so far

 15:47 <seb128> k

 15:47 <seb128> well let's see how it looks like after feature freeze

 15:47 <seb128> thanks Trevinho

 15:48 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell

 15:48 <seb128> - At GUADEC and flying home.

 15:48 <seb128> - Working on GNOME Software featured snap support.

 15:48 <seb128> - Documented default app selection and reason we currently diverge from GNOME core apps - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DefaultApps

 15:49 <seb128> #topic aob

 15:49 <seb128> jbicha, I think you had some things you wanted to discuss?

 15:49 <seb128> gjs transition?

 15:50 <jbicha> I noticed yesterday that gjs doesn't build on s390x

 15:50 <jbicha> we should be able to still use gjs from GNOME 3.26 and mozjs52 even if we stick with GNOME 3.24

 15:50 <seb128> do we intend to stick to 3.24?

 15:51 <jbicha> currently, there are a bunch of warning emitted but I expect those to be cleaned up for 3.26 anyway

 15:51 <seb128> I would think that since we are pushing quite some changes this cycle we can't focus on stability, we better place us ourself as close as possible of what we are going to get in the LTS

 15:51 <jbicha> I think we should target GNOME 3.26 as much as possible

 15:51 <seb128> and test current GNOME such

 15:51 <seb128> +1

 15:51 <kenvandine> +1

 15:53 <jbicha> ok, I can start landing 3.25.90 stuff then

 15:53 <didrocks> I think it's fine, just wait for the current transition to be done

 15:53 <didrocks> jbicha: please wait by end of next week

 15:53 <jbicha> didrocks: which transition?

 15:53 <didrocks> vanilla GNOME Shell, GNOME Shell mode, glib patch…

 15:53 <didrocks> I would like we do that in 2 steps

 15:53 <seb128> jbicha, no, please let's not cowboy those updates and discuss case by case on the channel before landing

 15:54 <didrocks> because it's tested against current 2.24

 15:54 <jbicha> seb128: ok, how about evolution 3.25.90 transition now?

 15:54 <Laney> what glib patch?

 15:55 <didrocks> Laney: allison's work

 15:55 <seb128> ah, Laney is around

 15:55 <jbicha> no new sonames, but libevolution rdepends need rebuilding

 15:55 <Laney> sort of

 15:55 <seb128> Laney, have a summary/wanted to have a turn in the meeting?

 15:55 <seb128> or you are just lurking for this one?

 15:55 <seb128> jbicha, is there any soname change in eds?

 15:55 <Laney> was at guadec, now at debconf, worked on some asgen fixes, some gnome software stuff, pkg-gnome git stuff a bit

 15:56 <jbicha> seb128: no :)

 15:56 <didrocks> jbicha: so yeah, everything not gnome-shell/gnome-session/gdm/glib/gtk is fine :)

 15:56 <seb128> Laney, thanks :-)

 15:56 <seb128> jbicha, sounds fine to me

 15:56 <Laney> didrocks: you mean the override stuff from muktupavels?

 15:57 <didrocks> (and ubuntu-settings, but I doubt you will touch those)

 15:57 <didrocks> Laney: correct

 15:57 <didrocks> the rebase from allison's work which I did test

 15:57 <didrocks> but waiting for another feedback

 15:57 <jbicha> seb128: for g-s-monitor, we need a new libgtop2 which does have a transition (upstream maintainer looks like he bumps sonames for added symbols?)

 15:58 <Laney> right, ok, slightly worried about patching that in case it gets changed in between

 15:58 <Laney> once it's committed we can take that in debian if you want it sooner than the next release

 15:58 <seb128> jbicha, if the soname change is not needed maybe we should tell upstream to revert it?

 15:58 <seb128> jbicha, but looks fine as well otherwise

 15:58 <didrocks> Laney: are you around to update it before EOW?

 15:58 <Laney> if it's committed

 15:58 <didrocks> I think Allison is going to review it now

 15:59 <Laney> there is a new release that we need to patch anyway

 15:59 <Laney> s/patch/upload/

 15:59 <jbicha> seb128: I'll file a bug to ask them not to bump next time but I think it's a bit late once there are already released libgtop2 tarballs

 15:59 <didrocks> otherwise, I'll just cowboy it, need it for next Tuesday at the latest

 15:59 <seb128> stable ones?

 15:59 <didrocks> but we'll see

 15:59 <seb128> jbicha, but ok...

 15:59 <seb128> k

 15:59 <seb128> those seems 1:1 discussions or non-meeting-specific topics

 15:59 <Laney> grabbing from bugs is worrying for this

 15:59 <Laney> ok

 15:59 <seb128> did we have anything more we wanted to discuss as part of the meeting?

 15:59 <Laney> as you wish

 15:59 <jbicha> can we drop gnome-power-manager from ubuntu-desktop? it provides gnome-power-statistics

 15:59 <didrocks> Laney: I wish

 16:00 <seb128> jbicha, what's the rational? it's not costing much in maintainance and providing useful stats

 16:02 <jbicha> seb128: just general cleanup, its icons look a bit bad and it's not been part of core GNOME in 5 years

 16:02 <seb128> I don't feel strongly either way

 16:03 <seb128> the icon looks fine to me but I don't have a picky eye for graphical details

 16:03 <seb128> maybe another topic for the mailing list

 16:03 <seb128> we might end up getting some decisions on those items at some point :p

 16:03 <jbicha> seb128: are you ok with me updating standalone apps to 3.26 now like eog and file-roller or should I run all those past you?

 16:04 <seb128> jbicha, it's not especially past me, I was suggesting the channel

 16:04 <seb128> jbicha, but I think anything which is not including major changes or a transition is fine

 16:04 <seb128> so those are probably in that category

 16:04 <seb128> jbicha, thanks for working on those updates!

 16:05 <jbicha> ok, I'll ask for transitions and I'll keep away from the GNOME session stuff for now too

 16:05 <seb128> great

 16:05 <seb128> anything else we needed to discuss?

 16:05 <didrocks> thanks jbicha :)

 16:05 <jbicha> so no gjs/mozjs52 until after didrocks' stuff lands

 16:05 <seb128> right, but it sounds like it has build issues to resolve first anyway?

 16:06 * Laney shakes fist at jhbuild

 16:06 <jbicha> +1 for ending the meeting, next week may be another long meeting too :)

 16:06 <seb128> ok, I think we can wrap then

 16:06 <seb128> thanks everyone

 16:07 <seb128> #endmeeting



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