== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09, 09 Feb at 15:30 — 16:19 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-09-15.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== andyrock ===
The discussion about "andyrock" started at 15:34.


=== attente ===
The discussion about "attente" started at 15:40.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:45.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 15:47.


=== hikiko ===
The discussion about "hikiko" started at 15:48.

  * ''LINK:'' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg seb128

=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:52.


=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:56.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 16:01.


=== TheMuso ===
The discussion about "TheMuso" started at 16:04.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 16:06.


=== Trevinho ===
The discussion about "Trevinho" started at 16:08.


=== willcooke ===
The discussion about "willcooke" started at 16:14.


=== any other business ===
The discussion about "any other business" started at 16:15.


=== Sweet5hark ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark" started at 16:15.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 16:17.


=== any other business ===
The discussion about "any other business" started at 16:17.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * willcooke (106)
 * seb128 (77)
 * larsu (28)
 * Trevinho (20)
 * Laney (19)
 * andyrock (18)
 * Sweet5hark (15)
 * desrt (11)
 * hikiko (11)
 * attente (7)
 * dgadomski (5)
 * didrocks (4)
 * ubot5` (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * pitti (2)
 * doko (1)



== Full Log ==


 15:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09

 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb  9 15:30:30 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:30 <meetingology> 

 15:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:30 <desrt> o hai

 15:30 <willcooke> hi desrt !

 15:30 <seb128> hey

 15:30 <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong(out), happyaron(out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho(out), seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter(out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 15:30 <Trevinho> o/

 15:31 <didrocks> hey!

 15:31 <didrocks> (ok running out :p)

 15:31 <hikiko> hey!

 15:31 <willcooke> hi didrocks!

 15:31 * desrt misses didrocks' name on the list

 15:31 <andyrock> Ho

 15:31 <willcooke> :(

 15:31 <andyrock> Ho

 15:31 * didrocks hugs desrt

 15:32 * desrt feels warm

 15:32 <larsu> o/

 15:32 <andyrock> My keyboard does not like me

 15:32 <larsu> didrocks is here in spirit

 15:32 <larsu> well, and he's actually present

 15:32 <willcooke> :)

 15:34 <willcooke> I figured we'd go round the list as usual and each person can paste their update and the 16.04 landings update

 15:34 <willcooke> then if there are questions etc we can address them, then move on to the next person

 15:34 <willcooke> Let's begin...

 15:34 <willcooke> #topic andyrock

 15:35 <andyrock> I ve been working on launcher integration. The branch is almost done. I m a bit blocked because libappstream-glib gives us icon as pixbufs and not gicons but nothing impossible to workaround

 15:35 <andyrock> G-s launcher integration

 15:35 <andyrock> I ll try to finish it by the end of tomorrow

 15:36 <willcooke> ^H^H^H thanks

 15:36 <willcooke> anything pending for 16.04 feature wise?  I think that's all right?

 15:36 <andyrock> For the thing I want to push before ff

 15:36 <andyrock> Just this one

 15:37 <andyrock> And startup notifications

 15:37 <andyrock> Should go without problems

 15:37 <seb128> did the session dialogs changes landed? or did that got removed from the xenial list?

 15:37 <andyrock> Not yet :\

 15:37 <andyrock> But it s low priority

 15:38 <seb128> well, that's sort of the point of doing the status update on feature now

 15:38 <seb128> either we drop them or get them done in the next week or so

 15:38 <andyrock> I would rather push the other two

 15:38 <seb128> I guess it means that one is not for this cycle?

 15:38 <seb128> right, it's fine

 15:38 <seb128> we just need to focus on the important bits ;-)

 15:38 <andyrock> I ll try but no promise

 15:38 <andyrock> :)

 15:39 <seb128> thanks

 15:39 <andyrock> No

 15:39 <willcooke> better to focus on getting the launcher stuff done

 15:39 <seb128> just retarget it to next cycle if it's not going to land

 15:39 <andyrock> Np

 15:39 <andyrock> Sure

 15:39 <willcooke> thanks andyrock

 15:39 <willcooke> seb128, anything else here?

 15:39 <seb128> no ;-)

 15:40 <willcooke> good stuff, thanks

 15:40 <willcooke> #topic attente

 15:40 <Trevinho> andyrock: I can help if needed with features in case...

 15:41 <attente> unity-greeter hi-dpi menu positioning fix

 15:41 <attente> more discussions and revisions to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579...

 15:41 <seb128> thanks for that one!

 15:41 <ubot5`> Gnome bug 756579 in Widget: GtkMenu "GTK should let GDK position menus" [Critical,Needinfo]

 15:41 <attente> implemented ubuntu-sso login dialog for submitting reviews in gnome software, struggling with some (i think) threading issues..........

 15:41 <desrt> attente: happy to help look at those

 15:41 <attente> seb128: np!

 15:42 <attente> desrt: thanks

 15:42 <willcooke> thanks attente

 15:42 <willcooke> keep me posted on the SSo work

 15:43 <willcooke> attente, I dont think you have any other 16.04 landings, right?

 15:43 <doko> looking at pocketsphinx ... Laney, finding your name in the changelog ... is there still need for the various english language models?

 15:44 <Laney> doko: 1) meeting 2) dunno

 15:44 <attente> no

 15:45 <willcooke> thanks attente

 15:45 <willcooke> #topic desrt

 15:45 <desrt> hi.  refactoring the gsettings work to a nicer state.

 15:45 <desrt> started to have some more serious discussions about timellines and when/how this will land (the containerisation work)

 15:45 <desrt> looking at early next cycle, so it can get lots of users by 16.10

 15:46 <desrt> hope to have the 'upstream' stuff mostly done by march

 15:46 <desrt> not really a 16.04 target, but 'just after 16.04'

 15:46 <desrt> that's all for technical stuff

 15:47 <willcooke> thanks desrt

 15:47 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski

 15:47 <dgadomski> hey

 15:47 <dgadomski> * investigated a complaint to bug 1337873 - it appeared that user was depending on unsupported behaviour

 15:47 <ubot5`> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Debian) "ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873

 15:47 <dgadomski> * tested fix to bug 1538724 - looking good

 15:47 <ubot5`> bug 1538724 in firefox (Ubuntu Wily) "GraphicsCriticalError: |[0][GFX1]: Unknown cairo format 3" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538724

 15:47 <dgadomski> (eof)

 15:47 <willcooke> thanks dgadomski

 15:47 <dgadomski> thank you

 15:48 <willcooke> #topic hikiko

 15:48 <hikiko> I am working on the ezoom integration: I did some fixes on nux and unity to be able to use the code I had already and now I debug the transformations that take place when I add the compiz zoom transformation matrix to the nux matrix stack. Compiz and nux have different matrix representations and stacks and I am trying to see if I can use the scale matrix in a way that the components are scaled automatically avoiding the double scaling issues

 15:48 <hikiko> I had the other time (although at the end I ll have to scale 1 by 1 the unity components that are not rendered by nux).

 15:48 <hikiko> eof :)

 15:48 <seb128> what's the status of the CSD decorations? that still didn't land?

 15:49 <hikiko> no, it's under review

 15:49 <hikiko> marco will review it but he has the launcher and all that

 15:49 <seb128> k

 15:49 <seb128> it's getting late

 15:49 <seb128> we said in London that things should be done a week after the sprint

 15:50 <seb128> that was back in 2015 ;-)

 15:50 <larsu> a year ago!

 15:50 <seb128> oh well, I hope it lands this week

 15:50 <hikiko> well the code seems to work but it needs to be reviewed

 15:50 <hikiko> and tested

 15:50 <seb128> right

 15:50 <hikiko> btw

 15:50 <hikiko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg seb128

 15:50 <seb128> it might be useful to put it in a silo for testing?

 15:51 <hikiko> I don't know if I pasted it the other time

 15:51 <seb128> anyway it was not especially for you hikiko

 15:51 <seb128> we just need as a team to see that landing

 15:51 <seb128> hikiko, thanks ;-)

 15:51 <willcooke> seb128, Trevinho - lets see where we are on Friday ^

 15:52 <seb128> k

 15:52 <willcooke> thanks hikiko

 15:52 <willcooke> #topic Laney

 15:52 <Trevinho> ok

 15:52 <Laney> • short week, short status!

 15:52 <Laney> • Updated appstream-cloud to be properly integrated with prodstack & have some more actions and nagios checks, contribute patches to increase coverage and find new icons faster, debug some issues

 15:52 <Laney> ∘ Fighting with IS over restrictive policies meaning we can't download screenshots

 15:52 <Laney> • Worked on rebasing wk2 packages on the archive and a new port for sphinx tests which got enabled in the meantime (16.04 feature, will be in before FF)

 15:53 <Laney> • helped to land terminal scrollbar fix

 15:53 <Laney> ︘

 15:54 <willcooke> thanks Laney, anything 16.04 related looking risky?  (screenshots download aside)

 15:54 <seb128> Laney, how is the wk2 transition looking? I start to see today if I can help a bit on testing/reviewing but I'm probably not going to have limited slots for that

 15:54 <Laney> you are not going to have limited slots?

 15:54 <Laney> that sounds good

 15:54 <seb128> -not

 15:54 <Laney> WHAT

 15:54 <seb128> doh, I was typing something else and changed mid way :p

 15:55 <Laney> it's fine

 15:55 <Laney> dunno why ubiquity broke though, that worked before

 15:55 <Laney> annoying

 15:55 <seb128> well, I can help a bit, so let me know if there is something you would prefer me to look at

 15:55 <seb128> is it buggy for you as well?

 15:55 <Laney> yeah

 15:55 <Laney> it's something to do with it running as root

 15:55 <seb128> yeah :-/

 15:55 <Laney> POs

 15:55 <Laney> POS

 15:55 <Laney> POSPOSPOSPSOPSO

 15:56 * Sweet5hark slowly backs  away ...

 15:56 <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney

 15:56 <willcooke> #topic larsu

 15:56 <larsu> last meeting :(

 15:56 <seb128> :-(

 15:57 <attente> :(

 15:57 <willcooke> :((

 15:57 <larsu> not a lot to report: slightly shorter week as well

 15:57 <larsu> did some administration stuff (turns out I'm leaving)

 15:57 <seb128> wait! you lease on the 18th, next meeting is on the 16th?

 15:57 * pitti sheds a tear for larsu

 15:57 <Trevinho> :'(

 15:57 <larsu> seb128: some last days of holiday

 15:57 <seb128> ah right

 15:57 <seb128> larsu, we are going to miss you!

 15:57 <willcooke> we are indeed

 15:57 * seb128 hugs larsu

 15:57 <larsu> I'm off Monday at noon officially

 15:58 * larsu hugs EVERYONE

 15:58 <willcooke> come and visit

 15:58 * Trevinho re-hugs

 15:58 <larsu> hehe

 15:58 * didrocks hugs larsu as well

 15:58 * Sweet5hark shakes angry old man fist for larsu leaving us.

 15:58 <larsu> haha

 15:58 * pitti hugs larsu big time

 15:58 * larsu sheds a tear

 15:58 <larsu> but I also have some status!

 15:58 <larsu> geonames index is coming along

 15:59 <larsu> should probably talk to desrt at some point - she might be the next maintainer

 15:59 <larsu> also fixed scrollbars in terminals (THEME!)

 15:59 <larsu> (with a bad hack sadly, but I couldn't think of anything better)

 15:59 <larsu> </larsu>

 15:59 <desrt> bye bye larsu

 15:59 <willcooke> thanks larsu

 16:00 <willcooke> any news on your bike?

 16:00 <larsu> have to buy new wheels

 16:00 <larsu> rode Faina's today

 16:00 <larsu> it's ... small

 16:00 <willcooke> :)

 16:01 <willcooke> it's been a pleasure larsu, sorry you're going.  Will chat later in the week.

 16:01 <willcooke> #topic seb128

 16:01 <seb128> • some desktop updates (gedit, gnome-calculator, gtk)

 16:01 <seb128> • reverted the gtk fileselector single-click-open behaviour change

 16:01 <seb128> • gnome-software/packagekit/aptdaemon discussions

 16:01 <seb128> • synced new manpages from Debian (yeah, remaining delta deprecated by upstream changes!)

 16:01 <seb128> • reverted nautilus in xenial, discussed the new version with upstream

 16:01 <seb128> • patch pilot shift

 16:01 <seb128> • fixed low res icon for the unity-control-center sound panel

 16:01 <seb128> • enabled hi-dpi scaling on unity-greeter

 16:01 <seb128> • tested ubiquity/webkitgtk2, debugging xenial daily not starting on the way (missing xorg drivers)

 16:01 <seb128> </week>

 16:02 <willcooke> thanks seb128

 16:02 <seb128> I don't have features on my personal list, but I'm trying to see if I can help others to land the remaining things we need to land

 16:02 <seb128> e.g webkitgtk2

 16:02 <seb128> gnome-software

 16:02 <seb128> libreoffice 5.1

 16:02 <seb128> let me know if you think I can help you with some feature that still need to land

 16:02 <larsu> seb128: do you know if removing software works now? I found the issue at the hackfest, but don't know if it ended up being fixe

 16:02 <larsu> *fixed

 16:03 <seb128> larsu, I don't know, but robert_ancell is wriing an aptdaemon backend

 16:03 <seb128> since porting the archive away from it was not really doable

 16:03 <seb128> and packagekit is slow

 16:03 <larsu> ah, right

 16:03 <seb128> seems the safest option for this cycle

 16:03 <larsu> indeed

 16:04 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso

 16:04 <willcooke> Accessibility profile manager rework:

 16:04 <willcooke> * The core library has been written, and is functional. It still may receive some minor functionality improvements and API additions/changes, but it is working. The package is in the new queue now, and a MIR will be applied for as soon as its in the archive.

 16:04 <willcooke> * I've also written a small CLI utility to facilitate quick testing, both the library, and profile metadata itself.

 16:04 <willcooke> * UI wise, for the time being, I have created an indicator that shows the available accessibility profiles in a list, with the currently enabled profile shown as such. This indicator will be off by default, but will be shown during install, and whenever a profile is enabled. I'll probably add another option to the indicator menu to allow the user to hide it if they wish, regardless of whether a profile is enabled or not.

 16:04 <willcooke> * I have a small change that I still need to propose for merging in the universal access panel of Unity control center. The change adds a profiles tab, with a simple toggle switch, to show or hide the indicator. I am using the org.gnome.desktop.a11y always-show-universal-access-status GSettings schema and key. GNOME shell uses this to allow the user to show or hide its own accessibility menu, so since we don't use it, I thought to be

 16:04 <willcooke> somewhat compatible with GNOME shell, I would use this GSettings value too. It should be noted that I have not done any work to integrate this profiles mechanism into any of the GTK based Ubuntu derivatives as of yet.

 16:04 <willcooke> * The same profiles tab in the universal access control center panel will likely be expanded in the future to show a list of profiles, and allow the user to activate/deactivate profiles. Will not be done this cycle, likely need to discuss the best UI to use in this context.

 16:05 <willcooke> Still to do:

 16:05 <willcooke> * Refactor Ubiquity to launch the new a11y profile indicator. At the moment, Ubiquity ahs its own indicator with the hard-coded list of profiles. Using the new indicator in ubiquity should be trivial.

 16:05 <willcooke> * Implement a mechanism to notify the user of available accessib

 16:05 <willcooke> ility profiles if they start using an assistive technology like Orca. THis is low priority, because I am not entirely sure of the best way to present this to the user UI wise, probably something for next cycle, although I will see what I can come up with, if I find myself with time to spare.

 16:05 <willcooke> * Patch Orca to use GSettings as its settings backend of choice if the user doesn't have any existing Orca configuration present.

 16:05 <willcooke> * Integrate everything into the desktop image, i.e seeds, MIR (discussed above), ubiquity etc.

 16:05 <willcooke> Other stuff:

 16:05 <willcooke> * Getting a final opinion on whether we want pulseaudio 8. If others involved with audio stuff are agreeable, that will likely be in by the end of this week.

 16:05 <willcooke> I don't expect I will need to file any feature freeze exception requests, but that will depend on how long the package will take to get into the archive, and get a MIR approved.

 16:05 <willcooke> chew on that...

 16:05 <seb128> that's quite a verbose summary!

 16:06 <willcooke> I was supposed to summarise, but I didnt

 16:06 <seb128> lol

 16:06 <seb128> I see :-)

 16:06 <willcooke> :)

 16:06 <seb128> you don't get to write that on your weekly status update then :p

 16:06 <willcooke> :)

 16:06 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter

 16:06 <larsu> irc character limit reached for the day

 16:06 <seb128> +1 on geting the news pulseaudio

 16:07 <willcooke> seb128, agreed

 16:07 <willcooke> - cups-filters: Added facility to optionally create local queues pointing to remote raw queues. Before only remote queues with driver/PPD were taken into account.

 16:07 <willcooke> - Printing Architecture: Debian has dropped LSB support. Studied alternatives for creating distribution-independent binary packages.

 16:07 <willcooke> - OpenPrinting Summit: Sent out first speaker invitations.

 16:07 <willcooke> - Performance review.

 16:07 <willcooke> - Bugs.

 16:07 <willcooke> What should go into 16.04 from my side is:

 16:07 <willcooke> - Printing stack on the phone.

 16:07 <willcooke> - Get Ghostscript synced with Debian, Will please make the security team pass the openjpeg MIR before FF. Thanks.

 16:08 <willcooke> - HPLIP 3.16.2 (got released today)

 16:08 <willcooke> - CUPS 2.1.3

 16:08 <willcooke> - The usual pre-FF round of version checks on all printing-related packages to have them up to date.

 16:08 <willcooke> tkamppeter's stuff is all in good shape - I'll see what we can do with the MIR

 16:08 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Zeitgeist upstart and vacuum support

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Updated unity nautilus patches for 3.14 revert

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Working on fixing lp:unity failure (big thanks to cjwatson! didrocks hijacking failed :-D)

 16:08 <Trevinho> · libwnck new upstream release and some mainteinance

 16:08 <Trevinho> · fixes to unity upstream to support multi-arch natively

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Fixed a launcher-filemanager integration issue

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Some tuning on the bottom launcher branch for kylin

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Unity theming improvements

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Unity packaging fixes (moving the non-lib bits from libunity-core package)

 16:08 <Trevinho> · Reviews?!

 16:08 <Trevinho> 

 16:09 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho

 16:10 <willcooke> so yeah, let's see how the reviews are going on Friday and see if we need to swap anything around

 16:10 <seb128> Trevinho, are we landing the launcher@bottom in xenial?

 16:10 <willcooke> no

 16:10 <seb128> k

 16:10 <Trevinho> seb128: we try to...

 16:10 <Trevinho> Ah, ok :D

 16:10 <seb128> so why do we spend work on it before ff? :p

 16:10 <seb128> k

 16:10 <seb128> seems like a "discuss after meeting" item ;-)

 16:11 <willcooke> yeah, lets do that

 16:11 <seb128> I didn't look at the zg on upstart into too much details

 16:11 <seb128> do we really need an upstart job for that?

 16:11 <willcooke> thinking about it, maybe I'm wrong, because Kylin want it

 16:11 <willcooke> but we dont

 16:11 <seb128> Laney, ^ if you want to help reviewing that it would be welcome

 16:11 <Trevinho> seb128: that's for ensuring the vacuum happens at the right time

 16:11 <seb128> your upstart foo is probably better than mine

 16:12 <Laney> upstart to run vacuum?

 16:12 <Trevinho> we do it every 10 days...

 16:13 <seb128> Laney, bug #919801

 16:13 <ubot5`> bug 919801 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "Unity dash file search is extremely slow" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919801

 16:13 <seb128> but let's handle that after the meeting as well

 16:14 <seb128> willcooke, I'm done with questions for Trevinho ;-)

 16:14 <willcooke> heh

 16:14 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho

 16:14 <willcooke> #topic willcooke

 16:14 <willcooke> Worrying about GNOME Software

 16:14 <willcooke> ASM Prep

 16:14 <willcooke> REviews

 16:14 <willcooke> more worrying about GNOME Software

 16:14 <seb128> yeah :-/

 16:15 <willcooke> Less worried now, and a plan for what to do next is forming

 16:15 <willcooke> so I think we'll work it out

 16:15 <willcooke> #topic any other business

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> willcooke: :( nobody missing my weekly libreoffice rant?

 16:15 <willcooke> oh

 16:15 <willcooke> how did I manage that

 16:15 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> - 5.1.0/xenial rebases on multiarch

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> - 5.0.5 updates for wily

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> - some patch backports for trusty and precise

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> - work on snappy:

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> -- trying to get a good debug env in snappy

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> -- ended up bundling strace and gdb in the snap

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> -- build a debug build of libreoffice

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> -- discovered that the failures happen in obscure toolchain places (e.g. in std::ostream::sentry) that dont make much sense even in the debugger

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> -- reenabled tests in the build and looked at test failures in snapcraft (not snappy)

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> -- found similar basic weirdness around C++ std libs (e.g. stream operations)

 16:15 <Sweet5hark> ==> now trying to isolate a smallish testcase that doesnt need ~all of libreoffice and its infrastruce with UNO and friends

 16:16 <Sweet5hark> - also: FOSDEM madness (including giving a devroom talk), and TDF board/staff meetings, LibreOffice Hackfest

 16:16 <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark

 16:16 <seb128> willcooke, no update from robert_ancell?

 16:17 <willcooke> no I figure I could probably fill that in for him

 16:17 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell

 16:17 <willcooke> GNOME Software

 16:17 <willcooke> #topic any other business

 16:17 <seb128> ;-)

 16:17 <larsu> hehe

 16:18 <willcooke> oki, anyone got anything else before we wrap?

 16:18 <willcooke> oh, please let me have your 360 names

 16:18 <seb128> let's go back to work on getting those features landed? ;-)

 16:18 <seb128> willcooke, when is that due?

 16:18 <seb128> why do they always put admin stuff in the busy periods? :p

 16:18 <willcooke> ideally before MWC which is 22 Feb

 16:19 <seb128> k

 16:19 <willcooke> oki, thanks very much everyone

 16:19 <willcooke> #endmeeting



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