== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop Meeting, 08 Dec at 15:30 — 16:08 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-12-08-15.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== attente ===
The discussion about "attente" started at 15:32.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:33.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 15:36.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:38.


=== FJKong ===
The discussion about "FJKong" started at 15:41.


=== happyaron ===
The discussion about "happyaron" started at 15:42.


=== hikiko ===
The discussion about "hikiko" started at 15:43.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:45.


=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:47.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 15:53.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 15:56.


=== Sweet5hark ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark" started at 15:58.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 15:59.


=== TheMuso ===
The discussion about "TheMuso" started at 16:01.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 16:01.


=== Trevinho ===
The discussion about "Trevinho" started at 16:01.


=== other topics? ===
The discussion about "other topics?" started at 16:03.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (109)
 * Laney (36)
 * desrt (31)
 * larsu (25)
 * didrocks (14)
 * Sweet5hark (10)
 * qengho (10)
 * dgadomski (7)
 * FJKong (5)
 * tkamppeter (4)
 * willcooke (4)
 * attente (4)
 * hikiko (3)
 * meetingology (3)
 * ubot5 (1)



== Full Log ==


 15:30 <seb128> #startmeeting

 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  8 15:30:48 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:30 <meetingology> 

 15:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:30 <didrocks> hey

 15:31 <hikiko> hello

 15:31 <seb128> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)

 15:31 <Sweet5hark> aye

 15:31 <seb128> seems like willcooke is not back yet, so I'm going to start this one

 15:31 <FJKong> .... ..

 15:31 <didrocks> thanks seb128 :)

 15:31 <desrt> word up

 15:32 <larsu> hey

 15:32 <seb128> ok, let's get started

 15:32 <seb128> no andyrock so he might be out

 15:32 <seb128> #topic attente

 15:32 <seb128> hey attente

 15:32 <attente> hey seb128

 15:32 <attente> gtk-mir backend.

 15:32 <attente> (eof)

 15:33 <Laney> bah no beep that time

 15:33 <seb128> thanks attente

 15:33 <seb128> #topic desrt

 15:33 <seb128> desrt, hey

 15:33 <desrt> gsettings.

 15:33 <desrt> (eof)

 15:33 <desrt> :)

 15:34 * larsu is looking forward to didrocks this week

 15:34 <desrt> but seriously... did some good work on the dconf confinement stuff last week in montreal with xclaesse

 15:34 <desrt> biggest change here is what i am working on now: DConfChangeset is being imported into glib as GSettingsBackendChangeset

 15:35 <desrt> which is something that i've vaguely wanted to do for a couple of years now... it's ugly as all hell, but it's going to make a lot of things easier... not least of which is the current work at hand about confinement

 15:35 <desrt> the import itself is done (as a patch) but i'm currently porting various backends to using it

 15:35 <desrt> so i'll probably have that done by next meeting

 15:35 <desrt> (real eof)

 15:35 <seb128> great

 15:35 <seb128> looking forward to see that land ;-)

 15:36 <seb128> thanks desrt

 15:36 <desrt> me too

 15:36 <desrt> np

 15:36 <seb128> #topic dgadomski

 15:36 <seb128> dgadomski, hey

 15:36 <dgadomski> hey

 15:36 <dgadomski> I'm chasing one new issue - Unity (and Gnome 3) crash on a VM running under PowerKVM. No useful info in the logs, waiting for /var/crash data. Direct rendering is on (according to glxinfo), so I guess it's some kind of a bug. I'll create a lp bug after getting more input. I guess there's nothing preventing Unity from running on ppc64?

 15:37 <dgadomski> * created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPolicykit, will work on putting more info there. Will appreciate any feedback, ideas

 15:37 <dgadomski> * still running Xenial in several VMs tests to verify fix for bug #1337873, no problems so far

 15:37 <ubot5> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Vivid) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873

 15:37 <dgadomski> EOF

 15:37 <seb128> not sure about ppc64 graphical stack...

 15:37 <seb128> thanks dgadomski

 15:37 <dgadomski> seb128: do you know who can know more about ppc64?

 15:38 <seb128> try asking on #ubuntu-devel maybe

 15:38 <dgadomski> seb128: will do, thanks

 15:38 <seb128> but I doubt we have many people who know about unity/graphical stack on ppc64el

 15:38 <seb128> it's not a focus I would guess

 15:38 <seb128> yw

 15:38 <seb128> ok, next

 15:38 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:38 <seb128> didrocks, hey

 15:38 <didrocks> manage living with a german guy here.

 15:38 <didrocks> (eof)

 15:38 <didrocks> :p

 15:39 <didrocks> * Most of the week went into the plymouth merge (we never merged with debian and the package wasn't common). Fixed and dropped some patches. Tested with passphrase with plymouth in initramfs. After some firefighting, will do flavors theme updates (all themes needs to be refresh for a /lib vs /usr/share transition)

 15:39 <didrocks> * Dist-upgraded to xenial, found some issues after dist-upgrade and either pinged maintainers or upload fix/revert + discussion on bug report.

 15:39 <didrocks> * Went to change passport for Ubucon

 15:39 <didrocks> * Doing some personal development stuff

 15:39 <didrocks> * Wrote summary & speaker note for scale conf

 15:39 <didrocks> * Pushed language default strategy change + another dictionary. Got a golden image with only russian (not even en!) on the image and fixed it :)

 15:39 <didrocks> .

 15:39 <Laney> do you feel developed personally?

 15:39 <didrocks> I guess as you are Laney ;)

 15:40 <Laney> I experienced a film style montage

 15:40 <didrocks> haha

 15:40 <seb128> thanks didrocks ;-)

 15:41 <seb128> #topic FJKong

 15:41 <seb128> FJKong, hey

 15:41 <FJKong> youdao dictionary code review

 15:41 <FJKong> work on build cef in progress

 15:41 <FJKong> a little lag by my vps

 15:41 <FJKong> eof

 15:41 <seb128> you don't seem to lag much

 15:41 <seb128> thanks FJKong ;-)

 15:42 <seb128> #topic happyaron

 15:42 <seb128> happyaron, hey!

 15:43 <seb128> no happyaron I guess?

 15:43 <seb128> #topic hikiko

 15:43 <seb128> hikiko, key!

 15:43 <hikiko> hello :)

 15:44 <hikiko> I am still doing the shadows, I am close to finish the effect.. eof

 15:44 <seb128> thanks hikiko

 15:44 <desrt> :D

 15:45 <seb128> #topic Laney

 15:45 <seb128> hey Laney!

 15:45 <Laney> oh hi

 15:45 <Laney> • More work on appstream charm, supports in place upgrading now, filed RT to deploy to prodstack

 15:46 <Laney> • patch pilot

 15:46 <Laney> • New upstream of g-i, for some reason we have a delta now

 15:46 <Laney> • Some work on rebuilds / test smoothing for poppler, openscenegraph, gdal which got largely invalidated by s390x enablement

 15:46 <Laney> • some administration of autopkgtest

 15:46 <Laney> • backport gstreamer to the overlay ppa for touch guys

 15:46 <Laney> • start looking at trashing bug maybe caused by my patch from vivid, didn't manage to reproduce the behaviour people said they were seeing yet, asked on the bug for info

 15:46 <Laney> • fix nautilus rename popover placement

 15:46 <Laney> • libindicator build fix

 15:46 <Laney> ︘

 15:46 <desrt> Laney: which trashing bug is this?

 15:46 * desrt is so sick of all the trash lately :p

 15:46 <Laney> 748248

 15:46 <desrt> thx

 15:46 <Laney> apparently my patch created a regression

 15:47 <Laney> but I can't work out what that is :)

 15:47 <desrt> oh.  this one.

 15:47 <Laney> POST MEETING!

 15:47 <desrt> yup.

 15:47 <seb128> thanks Laney

 15:47 <seb128> #topic larsu

 15:47 <seb128> larsu, hey

 15:47 <larsu> hey!

 15:47 <larsu> bugs

 15:47 <larsu> (eof)

 15:48 <desrt> lol

 15:48 <seb128> no nautilus menubars? :-(

 15:48 <desrt> i like this new style

 15:48 <desrt> good job, attente :)

 15:48 <larsu> (was anyone under 13 bytes?)

 15:48 <larsu> haha

 15:48 <desrt> "hey!\nbugs\n" vs. "gsettings.\n"

 15:48 <attente> i started a trend

 15:48 <larsu> ok: reworked the screenshot patch for gtk because Company

 15:48 <seb128> do you have the updated one somewhere?

 15:48 <seb128> I looked at the bugzilla earlier when I reverted the SRU

 15:49 <seb128> but it seems there is no followup yet?

 15:49 <larsu> found a riduculous workaround for nautilus having all actions in view. instead of win.

 15:49 <larsu> (requires a gtk patch because desrt)

 15:49 <desrt> larsu: did you take a look at that thing we discussed at the sprint at all?

 15:49 <larsu> seb128: not uploaded, but almost done (one regression left to figure out)

 15:49 <larsu> desrt: that thing wouldn't fix this

 15:50 <desrt> i dunno.  i see them as related :)

 15:50 <larsu> that was about dynamic menus

 15:50 <desrt> export-all-the-menus and export-all-the-actiongroups *shrug*

 15:50 <larsu> this is aboutthe actions not being reachable

 15:50 <larsu> desrt: we never wanted to export all action groups?!

 15:50 <larsu> anyway

 15:50 <larsu> also some smaller fixes. notify-osd. some more logs work

 15:50 <larsu> some reviews

 15:51 <larsu> (actual eof)

 15:51 <Laney> great reviews

 15:51 <Laney> would request again a++

 15:51 <seb128> Laney, larsu, btw gnome-logs MIR got approved, so we can swap gnome-system-log for it when we want

 15:52 <Laney> cool

 15:52 <larsu> awesome, thanks

 15:52 <seb128> thanks larsu

 15:52 <Laney> should file calendar one

 15:52 * Laney notes that down

 15:52 <seb128> do you still plan to reply on the list?

 15:52 <Laney> that's the same task ya

 15:52 <seb128> I tried the tb-eds integration earlier

 15:52 <seb128> it hangs tb for me as well

 15:52 <Laney> :(

 15:52 <seb128> also I find the calendar UI (it works without eds) too complex

 15:53 <seb128> gnome-calendar+1

 15:53 <Laney> cool

 15:53 <seb128> ok, next

 15:53 <Laney> thnaks

 15:53 <seb128> #topic qengho

 15:53 <seb128> qengho, hey

 15:54 <qengho> Hey!

 15:54 <qengho> * New Chromium, v47. distpatches--. Tested & gave to #security for upload.

 15:54 <qengho> * In progress: Precise C++ abi backporting.

 15:54 <qengho> * To-do this week: More snap work. More Cr/Ozone/Mir work. xdg-patch patch again.

 15:54 <qengho> * Maybe: My desktop machine needs an overhaul, so in the process I'll try to get some ZFS integration into Ubiquity.

 15:54 <qengho> * Gripe: Nautilus crashy.

 15:54 <qengho> EOF

 15:55 <seb128> qengho, nautilus on what serie? feel free to open a bug with bt and I can have a look

 15:55 <qengho> Not xdg-patch. xdg-utils

 15:55 <qengho> seb128: xenial. I will.

 15:55 <seb128> thanks qengho

 15:56 <seb128> #topic seb128

 15:56 <seb128> • uploaded nautilus 3.18!

 15:56 <seb128> • fixed some small issues in the gtkappchooser dialog (missing icon, label wrap mode)

 15:56 <seb128> • some Debian merges

 15:56 <seb128> • looked at some translations issues (desktop & phone)

 15:56 <seb128> • spent quite some time trying to debug evolution-data-server/uoa/oauth issues, fixed one problem due to an unseeded package but the auth is using password instead of oauth and that's wrong, didn't figure that one yet though

 15:56 <seb128> • some sponsoring

 15:56 <seb128> • review of incoming bugs/errors, upstream several new segfault showing on e.u.c after xenial GNOME (gedit, nautilus, n-m, ...) updates

 15:56 <seb128> </week>

 15:56 <larsu> random note: I'm testing my patch on 2× and firefox is still 1×. Clicking links with the large pointer is *hard*.

 15:56 <larsu> but looks funny

 15:57 <Laney> firefox gets 2× for me

 15:57 <Laney> seb128: what's the bug # for the need-to-restart-eds one?

 15:57 <larsu> for me too if I restarted

 15:57 <larsu> *restart it

 15:58 <seb128> Laney, I didn't file it yet, thanks for the reminder, wanted to check with mardy first

 15:58 * seb128 does try to ping him

 15:58 <seb128> I let you know when it's registered

 15:58 <seb128> ok, next

 15:58 <Laney> thanks

 15:58 <Laney> just want to subscribe

 15:58 <seb128> yw!

 15:58 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark

 15:58 <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> - LibreOffice/GNOME Content Apps Hackfest Madrid

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> -- much of mentoring and review

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> -- wow spanish community has lots of potential

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> -- such patches being merged

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> - trying to behave: TDF board election ongoing

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> - playing with snappy/snapcraft for LibreOffice

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> EOF

 15:58 <seb128> efficient ;-)

 15:58 <willcooke> back, sorry all

 15:59 <seb128> hey willcooke, no worry

 15:59 * willcooke reads log

 15:59 <seb128> willcooke, want to take it from there or should I do the few remaining updates?

 15:59 <willcooke> seb128, would you mind finishing, then I can read the log

 15:59 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 15:59 <seb128> willcooke, no problem

 15:59 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey

 16:00 <tkamppeter> - cups-browsed: Completed development of filtering printer lists. Now if there are very many printers in the network, making only the important ones available is now possible by mean of server's IP addresses, queue name, and practically all printer properties broadcasted via DNS-SD.

 16:00 <tkamppeter> - Will not be on next Desktop Sprint, date equals the date of next OpenPrinting Summit.

 16:00 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.

 16:00 <qengho> 'sup

 16:00 <seb128> thanks tkamppeter

 16:00 <tkamppeter> `sup?

 16:01 <seb128> #topic TheMuso

 16:01 <seb128> * Submitted orca gsettings backend initial patch upstream, bug# still a little work to do, no feedback given yet.

 16:01 <seb128> * Started looking into merging/uploading new alsa package versions, will do in the new year if no movement on Debian's side before then.

 16:01 <seb128> * More work on the a11y profile manager library, started populating the source tree, nothing pushed yet.

 16:01 <seb128> Hope you all have a pleasant break.

 16:01 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell

 16:01 <seb128> - GNOME Software Ubuntu support work

 16:01 <seb128> - LightDM SRU verification

 16:01 <seb128> #topic Trevinho

 16:01 <seb128> · Prepared unity/compiz SRU for HiDPI cursor support

 16:01 <seb128> · Meeting with Kylin guys https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu

 16:01 <seb128> Kylin/Meeting/2015/20151203

 16:01 <seb128> · New review with kylin lockscreen, proposed a branch to cleanup the

 16:01 <seb128> code so that we can share the most of the logic.

 16:01 <seb128> · Continued working in launcher/trash/volumes/filemanager integration.

 16:01 <seb128> Focusing in main nautilus management

 16:01 <seb128> 

 16:01 <seb128> 

 16:02 <seb128> bah, those chars display as [TAB] in my IRC client

 16:02 <seb128> they do display as Ubuntu logo in gedit though ;-)

 16:02 <Laney> works here

 16:02 <seb128> great ;-)

 16:03 <seb128> #topic other topics?

 16:03 <seb128> ok, anything else to discuss?

 16:04 <Laney> probably come up to ldn on thursday if you want me to

 16:04 <seb128> that would be good

 16:04 <Laney> might not get the 0630 train this time though :p

 16:05 <seb128> no need to arrive too early

 16:05 * desrt reads "gsettings backend", get nervous

 16:05 * desrt has visions of compiz

 16:05 <seb128> haha

 16:05 * desrt tries to find that bug

 16:06 <seb128> ok, let's wrap the meeting there

 16:06 <seb128> willcooke, or did you have an update/something you wanted to discuss?

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> *** desert will need to write the gsettings replacement for the gconf backend in LO

 16:06 <willcooke> nothing at the moment

 16:06 <desrt> lol.  not touching that.

 16:06 <desrt> my laptop is made of aluminium, which has too low of a melting point for LO work

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> desrt: hrhr

 16:07 <larsu> haha

 16:07 <Laney> #endmeeting

 16:07 <Laney> !!!

 16:07 <desrt> best part about old jokes: they're already old

 16:08 <seb128> seems not I guess

 16:08 <seb128> #endmeeting



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