== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop: Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-17, 17 Nov at 15:30 — 16:05 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-11-17-15.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== andyrock ===
The discussion about "andyrock" started at 15:31.


=== attente ===
The discussion about "attente" started at 15:33.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:34.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 15:35.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:37.


=== FJKong ===
The discussion about "FJKong" started at 15:37.


=== happyaro1 ===
The discussion about "happyaro1" started at 15:38.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:39.


=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:41.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 15:44.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 15:45.


=== Sweet5hark1 ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark1" started at 15:45.


=== TheMuso ===
The discussion about "TheMuso" started at 15:47.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 15:47.


=== Trevinho ===
The discussion about "Trevinho" started at 15:49.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 15:51.


=== Any Other Business ===
The discussion about "Any Other Business" started at 15:52.


=== willcooke ===
The discussion about "willcooke" started at 15:52.


=== AOB ===
The discussion about "AOB" started at 15:57.


=== Sweet5hark1 ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark1" started at 16:03.


=== aob ===
The discussion about "aob" started at 16:04.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * willcooke (78)
 * seb128 (38)
 * didrocks (31)
 * Laney (28)
 * larsu (27)
 * desrt (15)
 * Sweet5hark1 (15)
 * Trevinho (10)
 * dgadomski (9)
 * FJKong (9)
 * qengho (7)
 * andyrock (7)
 * tkamppeter (5)
 * attente (5)
 * meetingology (4)
 * ubot5 (3)



== Full Log ==


 15:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-17

 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 17 15:30:01 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:30 <meetingology> 

 15:30 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:30 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (out?), happyaron(out?), hikiko(hols), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)

 15:30 <willcooke> hi all

 15:30 <desrt> o/

 15:30 <seb128> hey

 15:30 <andyrock> \o

 15:30 <dgadomski> hey

 15:30 <seb128> Laney, did you just admit? ;-)

 15:30 <larsu> hey!

 15:31 <Trevinho> Heeeeeej!

 15:31 <attente> o/

 15:31 <willcooke> #topic andyrock

 15:31 <didrocks> hey

 15:31 <andyrock> hey

 15:32 <andyrock> nothing much to say: basically going through all the unity MP's

 15:32 <FJKong> hey

 15:32 <andyrock> I'm doing the last couple of reviews right now

 15:32 <willcooke> thanks andyrock

 15:32 <andyrock> pretty short ones so should take one hour

 15:33 <andyrock> and I can start coding again \o/

 15:33 <willcooke> :D

 15:33 <willcooke> thanks andyrock, it's an important task, so thanks for sticking at it

 15:33 <willcooke> #topic attente

 15:34 <attente> more upstream fixes to maliit-framework and maliit-input-context-gtk

 15:34 <attente> spent some time trying to track down the double tapping issue, the problem is in ubuntu-keyboard

 15:34 <attente> starting packaging the new maliit release, but tests are failing...

 15:34 <attente> (eof)

 15:34 <willcooke> thanks attente, good wok on Maliit

 15:34 <willcooke> #topic desrt

 15:34 <desrt> hi

 15:34 <desrt> (slightly) short week last week

 15:35 <desrt> usual bug stuff, pushed some patches

 15:35 <desrt> back to working on inotify again :)

 15:35 <desrt> eof

 15:35 <willcooke> thanks desrt

 15:35 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski

 15:35 <dgadomski> hey, I continued to work on issues from last week:

 15:35 <dgadomski> * offered fix for bug #1337873 upstream, got positive feedback, though they ask for refactoring of the whole affected area. Everything is waiting for upstream action at: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92886. I will prepare a debdiff for xenial as soon as this is accepted

 15:35 <ubot5> Freedesktop bug 92886 in daemon "PolkitAgentSession incorrectly handles multiline PAM_TEXT_INFO output" [Normal,New]

 15:35 <ubot5> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Vivid) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873

 15:36 <dgadomski> ehm... that is bug #1510824

 15:36 <ubot5> bug 1510824 in PolicyKit "PolkitAgentSession incorrectly handles multiline output (as observed with pam_vas)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510824

 15:36 <dgadomski> * testing fix for bug #1337873 - working fine so far

 15:36 <dgadomski> * didn't have time to finish the wiki page about debugging polkit, but I will share the link and will appreciate any feedback as soon as it's done.

 15:36 <dgadomski> * didn't have time to finish the wiki page about debugging polkit, but I will share the link and will appreciate any feedback as soon as it's done.

 15:36 <dgadomski> EOF

 15:36 <willcooke> thanks dgadomski

 15:36 <dgadomski> thank you

 15:37 <willcooke> #topic didrocks

 15:37 <didrocks> Short week (3 days only).

 15:37 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:

 15:37 <didrocks> - released Ubuntu Make 15.11.1, publish on various social media + blog post.

 15:37 <didrocks> - tweaked the release script.

 15:37 <didrocks> - add and merge and Twine game editor support.

 15:37 <didrocks> - worked on atom.io integration, changed upstream build tool support to publish some archive publication and CI integration. This is pending review from the github's team.

 15:37 <didrocks> - ensure --help always returned the desired help (global, category or framework). Add tests for those.

 15:37 <didrocks> - fix some i18n bugs and be more relient against user setup. Fixed as well pt_BR translations.

 15:37 <didrocks> - run and test to make the test running environment more independant of user setup (like language). Running that for large tests.

 15:37 <didrocks> - explored genymotion integration for Android vm testing.

 15:37 <didrocks> .

 15:37 <willcooke> thanks didrocks

 15:37 <willcooke> #topic FJKong

 15:37 <Laney> NO

 15:37 <Laney> he also helped me!

 15:37 <FJKong> 1 debug one skin problem report by user

 15:37 <FJKong> 2 update code

 15:37 <FJKong> add auto start to pinyin search

 15:37 <FJKong> for primary user they can use gui tools to setup task

 15:37 <FJKong> 3 go to hospital

 15:37 <FJKong> eof

 15:38 <willcooke> how's the wrist?

 15:38 <FJKong> better

 15:38 <FJKong> thanks

 15:38 <larsu> ouch. get better

 15:38 <willcooke> thanks FJKong

 15:38 <willcooke> #topic happyaro1

 15:38 <willcooke> timeout set

 15:39 <desrt> *tick* *tick* *tick*

 15:39 <willcooke> #topic Laney

 15:40 <Laney> oops

 15:40 <Laney> • Very many uploads and build fixes for the latest mega transition, use seb128-as-a-shell to remove some stuff that was too hard/broken to fix (thanks!)

 15:40 <Laney> • Seed update from sprint

 15:40 <Laney> • gtk 3.18.4 and 3.18.5 update (incl window drawing fix from larsu, woo!)

 15:40 <Laney> • appstream extractor: get working with a git checkout (instead of package), ping didrocks about some bug who is in the middle of assisting (thanks to you too!) but workaround it in the meantime

 15:40 <Laney> • set up a trello board for gnome-software https://trello.com/b/o3AB123B/gnome-software (willcooke - can you / should I mail around to get people to use it?)

 15:40 <Laney> • eyes tired of packages, work on an autopkgtest-britney fix to not block packages on tests if they have never passed anyway, got review comments to address soon

 15:40 <Laney> • misc: off friday

 15:40 <Laney> ๛

 15:41 <willcooke> @ trello board.  Sure, I will email cos I want to see if we should create another more general one.

 15:41 <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "trello" is not a valid command.

 15:41 <larsu> more trello boards!

 15:41 <willcooke> thanks Laney

 15:41 * larsu turns down the sarcasm

 15:41 <willcooke> #topic larsu

 15:41 <Laney> ...

 15:41 <larsu> - tested and reviewed smcv's D-Bus patches

 15:41 <larsu> - fixed icon name lookup order in my notify-osd patch from a couple of weeks back

 15:41 <larsu> - investigated and found a workaround for the black window flicker issue on compiz

 15:41 <larsu> - look into the gnome-screenshot crash that was *apparently* caused by my hidpi fix

 15:41 <larsu> - slow progress on geonames localization

 15:41 <larsu> </larsu>

 15:42 <willcooke> thanks larsu

 15:42 <seb128> larsu, the screenshot one was not?

 15:42 <larsu> seb128: ya it was - just joking ;)

 15:42 <seb128> (we blocked the GTK SRU on a potential regression)

 15:42 <seb128> k

 15:42 * larsu will fix that nxt

 15:42 <willcooke> I tired many things from the internet to get gnome-terminal to show the inspector, but to no avail.

 15:42 <seb128> if you have a follow up fix please let me know

 15:42 <seb128> so we can unblock GTK

 15:42 <larsu> yep

 15:42 <seb128> which also includes the tooltip corner thing

 15:43 <larsu> willcooke: compile it from source with some debug flag set

 15:43 <larsu> dunno how else it would work

 15:43 <larsu> I wonder what they're doing to break this

 15:43 <willcooke> internet says you should be able to set an env var and then it shows up in the help menu, but no.  Oki, I will probably need a hand to get it to compile.  But I'll finish the other stuff first.

 15:44 <willcooke> no immediate urgency on that I think

 15:44 <willcooke> #topic qengho

 15:44 <qengho> * new Cr upstream. fixing two new bugs before release.

 15:44 <qengho> * merging xdg-utils from Debian.

 15:44 <qengho> * updating Cr packaging for another format.

 15:44 <qengho> EOF

 15:44 <qengho> Also,

 15:44 <qengho> * laptop is haunted.

 15:44 <qengho> EOF

 15:44 <willcooke> :D

 15:45 <willcooke> thanks qengho

 15:45 <willcooke> #topic seb128

 15:45 <seb128> • (4 days week, armistice day holiday)

 15:45 <seb128> • debugged/fixed guest session not working in xenial

 15:45 <seb128> • helped on xenial transitions (libimobiledevice, glew)

 15:45 <seb128> • continued on desktop merges&updates

 15:45 <seb128> • bugs/errors reviews

 15:45 <seb128> • some NEW reviews

 15:45 <seb128> </week>

 15:45 <willcooke> thanks seb128

 15:45 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1

 15:47 <Sweet5hark1> whops, /me is unprepped please sip me to last

 15:47 <willcooke> oki

 15:47 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso

 15:47 <willcooke> * Finally got the Orca gsettings backend work done, and posted on the Orca mailing list to get communit feedback, still got things to fix, and got to optimize code.

 15:47 <willcooke> * Upgraded to Xenial. Nothing to report so far, but saw a pulse bug filed that needs investigating.

 15:47 <willcooke> * Starting to look at updating Alsa to 1.1.0, both in Debian and in Xenial.

 15:47 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Lots of communication with the guy from the printer manufacturer

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Lots of improvements on managing the two or more USB communication channels and on handling delayed answers on USB and timeouts.

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - I did not hear about any progress on the phone's print dialog. Did there happen anything?

 15:47 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.

 15:48 <willcooke> tkamppeter, did you have your meeting with design yet?

 15:48 <willcooke> actually, let's pick this up in our 1:1 then we can work out what the next steps are

 15:48 <tkamppeter> willcooke, no, sometimes I tried to communicate with mpt, but did not get answers.

 15:49 <willcooke> oki, I'll speak to design and get something sorted

 15:49 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho

 15:49 <Trevinho> · Checked u-s-d keyboard backlight issues

 15:49 <Trevinho> · Did some study and tests on compiz frame synchronization (http://fishsoup.net/misc/wm-spec-synchronization.html)

 15:49 <Trevinho> · Various reviews, including the new lockscreen shield for Ubuntu Kylin

 15:49 <Trevinho> · Fixed issue with scale when using launcher in multi-monitor.

 15:49 <Trevinho> · Improved unity spread to show up new windows when they are opened

 15:49 <Trevinho> 

 15:49 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho

 15:49 <seb128> Trevinho, what's the output of the frame sync study?

 15:49 <seb128> would be easy to do?

 15:50 <Trevinho> seb128: well, it would take some weeks I think

 15:50 <Trevinho> seb128: not that easy... Neither too hard, but it takes some time

 15:50 <seb128> right, I guess somebody needs to weight the priority and if it's worth that time investment

 15:50 <Trevinho> It depends what could really be the benefits...

 15:51 <seb128> one job for willcooke ;-)

 15:51 <willcooke> sure, can someone explain the back story to me off line?

 15:51 <seb128> we can discuss it after the meeting I guess

 15:51 <willcooke> oki

 15:51 <willcooke> wfm

 15:51 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell

 15:51 <willcooke> No update this week.

 15:52 <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business

 15:52 <willcooke> didrocks has offered to run a LP training course :)

 15:52 <seb128> willcooke, you should add yourself to the topics ;-)

 15:52 <andyrock> :D

 15:52 <seb128> so you could list the nice themes fixes coming ;-)

 15:52 <willcooke> oh, yeah I guess - let's do that...

 15:52 <willcooke> #topic willcooke

 15:53 <willcooke> Triage rls-x-incoming.  Slow going but got about half done yesterday.  More tomorrow

 15:53 <willcooke> Learning about gtk themeing.  Fix one thing, break another

 15:53 <willcooke> I will try to get that all wrapped up in to an MP before too long

 15:54 <willcooke> Meetings with exec about things.  More details to follow shortly once everything is confirmed.

 15:54 <desrt> sprint things? =)

 15:54 <willcooke> There will be a sprint in April, maybe in Prague

 15:55 <desrt> sounds fun

 15:55 <willcooke> trying to sort an intermediate sprint around GSC

 15:55 <willcooke> Hr things...

 15:55 <larsu> gsc?

 15:55 <Laney> ...

 15:55 <willcooke> You have to write some career plans and such.  I will send proper details over email

 15:56 <willcooke> Laney, Gnome Software Center

 15:56 <larsu> Laney: ?

 15:56 <larsu> ah

 15:56 <larsu> that's spelled g-c-s *cough* :D

 15:56 <larsu> *g-s-c

 15:56 <Laney> gnome-software

 15:56 <Laney> I don't think it actually has centre in the name

 15:56 <larsu> indeed

 15:56 <willcooke> ah

 15:56 <seb128> g-s

 15:56 <larsu> the binary doesn't at least

 15:56 <larsu> that's like gnome shell

 15:56 <seb128> gnome-screensaver/shell/software

 15:57 <seb128> right :p

 15:57 <desrt> -session in my mind :)

 15:57 <larsu> gnome-settings

 15:57 <willcooke> oki, back to...

 15:57 <seb128> that's why they should stop the gnome- nonsense, just call it "software" :p

 15:57 <willcooke> #topic AOB

 15:57 <seb128> easy to google as well

 15:57 <larsu> seb128: "files"

 15:57 <Laney> gnome-sudoku

 15:57 <willcooke> didrocks, tell us about your lp training...

 15:57 <seb128> LP? like launchpad?

 15:57 <Laney> gnome-screenshot

 15:57 <seb128> any specific part? bugs? translations?

 15:57 * Sweet5hark1 wonders if "career plans" needs to include "will have report ready for the team meeting"  ...

 15:57 <didrocks> hum, wasn't planned to write anything about it, thanks for warning me in advance willcooke :p

 15:57 <seb128> bzr!

 15:58 <willcooke> geez

 15:58 <Laney> gnome-system-log

 15:58 <Laney> this is a fun game

 15:58 <didrocks> basically, I noticed that some of us don't know how to use LP properly

 15:58 <Laney> I guess that would be g-s-l though

 15:58 <seb128> Laney, we got it, stop now :à

 15:58 <seb128> :)

 15:58 <Laney> hahahaHAHAHA sorry

 15:58 <didrocks> I quite regularly get some questions :)

 15:58 * Laney thinks he is funnier than he really is

 15:58 <seb128> oh?

 15:58 <didrocks> like where are packages

 15:58 <didrocks> what is published where

 15:58 <didrocks> ofc, not from old distro guys ;)

 15:58 <didrocks> I think maybe having a short 1h LP presentation for people interested could be of use

 15:59 <didrocks> and make everyone not knowing how really LP works could be useful

 15:59 <seb128> yeah

 15:59 <didrocks> (so upstream/downstream bug tasks, nominate for release, different ubuntu gates and processes like FF, how to get binaries from distros, ppa, debug symbols…)

 15:59 <desrt> "<didrocks> basically, I noticed that some of us don't know how to use LP properly"

 15:59 <didrocks> oh, and as well CI Train

 15:59 <desrt> quote of the year

 16:00 <didrocks> desrt: fortunately, we are near the end of year ;)

 16:00 <didrocks> so yeah, we should organize that. I think people interested, think about it and just o/ in the next meeting, wdyt willcooke?

 16:00 <Sweet5hark1> (the obvious followup question would be: if we dont know that, does anybody?)

 16:01 <desrt> i'm definitely curious.  i could use to improve my LP-fu

 16:01 * didrocks notes desrt then

 16:01 <Laney> teach me all about the translations component

 16:01 <willcooke> great, we can record it and I'll write up notes for the wiki as well

 16:01 <desrt> i'd also be sort of interrested in more general releasey/uploady-type topics

 16:01 <didrocks> Laney: nooooooooooo, you are on the blacklist because you will ask about things I obviously don't know :p

 16:01 <desrt> not super-useful to my work, but it's all a bit of mystery to me now and it can't hurt to know more

 16:01 <didrocks> desrt: yeah, sounds something we can cover

 16:02 <Laney> hehe

 16:02 <Laney> nobody knows anything about rosetta anyway

 16:02 * Sweet5hark1 certainly would be interested in how lp is supposed to work. I'll likely need to abuse it alot away from that, but still, knowing how it should be in an ideal world is a good thing.

 16:02 <larsu> whats rosetta?

 16:02 <didrocks> Laney: I can show you how to export translations :p

 16:02 <didrocks> but seb128 can as well

 16:03 <willcooke> ok, we'll get something in the calendar for the lp training then

 16:03 <didrocks> that's it :p

 16:03 <Laney> the translations bit of launchpad

 16:03 <seb128> haha

 16:03 <willcooke> thanks didrocks

 16:03 <Laney> soyuz = uploading, malone = bugs

 16:03 <Laney> what is questions?

 16:03 <willcooke> anything else from anyone?

 16:03 <seb128> not from me

 16:03 <didrocks> Laney: you forgot wiki as well!

 16:03 <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: my report?

 16:03 <seb128> heh

 16:03 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, that's what you get for not coming ready to the meeting :p

 16:03 <willcooke> ooooh

 16:03 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - 5.1 alpha1/xenial

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - code review

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - some bug triage on LibreOffice ARM not starting, some look in people having problems with libreoffice-dev (sdk) on Ubuntu

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - libpng CVE for coord for TDF LibreOffice build

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - build system/unittest debugging improvements

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - multiple candidate interviews for TDF DocLead position

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - preparations for 2. german open IT Summit in Berlin

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice/GNOME Madrid Hackfest coordination, advertising and budgeting, other tenders&budgeting

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> EOF

 16:04 <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1

 16:04 <willcooke> #topic aob

 16:04 <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah. /me is feeling guilty.

 16:05 <willcooke> oki, let's end the meeting and the seb128 Trevinho we can talk about that frame sync stuff

 16:05 <willcooke> #endmeeting



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