15:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-17
15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 17 15:30:01 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:30 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (out?), happyaron(out?), hikiko(hols), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
15:30 <willcooke> hi all
15:30 <desrt> o/
15:30 <seb128> hey
15:30 <andyrock> \o
15:30 <dgadomski> hey
15:30 <seb128> Laney, did you just admit? ;-)
15:30 <larsu> hey!
15:31 <Trevinho> Heeeeeej!
15:31 <attente> o/
15:31 <willcooke> #topic andyrock
15:31 <didrocks> hey
15:31 <andyrock> hey
15:32 <andyrock> nothing much to say: basically going through all the unity MP's
15:32 <FJKong> hey
15:32 <andyrock> I'm doing the last couple of reviews right now
15:32 <willcooke> thanks andyrock
15:32 <andyrock> pretty short ones so should take one hour
15:33 <andyrock> and I can start coding again \o/
15:33 <willcooke> :D
15:33 <willcooke> thanks andyrock, it's an important task, so thanks for sticking at it
15:33 <willcooke> #topic attente
15:34 <attente> more upstream fixes to maliit-framework and maliit-input-context-gtk
15:34 <attente> spent some time trying to track down the double tapping issue, the problem is in ubuntu-keyboard
15:34 <attente> starting packaging the new maliit release, but tests are failing...
15:34 <attente> (eof)
15:34 <willcooke> thanks attente, good wok on Maliit
15:34 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:34 <desrt> hi
15:34 <desrt> (slightly) short week last week
15:35 <desrt> usual bug stuff, pushed some patches
15:35 <desrt> back to working on inotify again :)
15:35 <desrt> eof
15:35 <willcooke> thanks desrt
15:35 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
15:35 <dgadomski> hey, I continued to work on issues from last week:
15:35 <dgadomski> * offered fix for bug #1337873 upstream, got positive feedback, though they ask for refactoring of the whole affected area. Everything is waiting for upstream action at: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92886. I will prepare a debdiff for xenial as soon as this is accepted
15:35 <ubot5> Freedesktop bug 92886 in daemon "PolkitAgentSession incorrectly handles multiline PAM_TEXT_INFO output" [Normal,New]
15:35 <ubot5> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Vivid) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873
15:36 <dgadomski> ehm... that is bug #1510824
15:36 <ubot5> bug 1510824 in PolicyKit "PolkitAgentSession incorrectly handles multiline output (as observed with pam_vas)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510824
15:36 <dgadomski> * testing fix for bug #1337873 - working fine so far
15:36 <dgadomski> * didn't have time to finish the wiki page about debugging polkit, but I will share the link and will appreciate any feedback as soon as it's done.
15:36 <dgadomski> * didn't have time to finish the wiki page about debugging polkit, but I will share the link and will appreciate any feedback as soon as it's done.
15:36 <dgadomski> EOF
15:36 <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
15:36 <dgadomski> thank you
15:37 <willcooke> #topic didrocks
15:37 <didrocks> Short week (3 days only).
15:37 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
15:37 <didrocks> - released Ubuntu Make 15.11.1, publish on various social media + blog post.
15:37 <didrocks> - tweaked the release script.
15:37 <didrocks> - add and merge and Twine game editor support.
15:37 <didrocks> - worked on atom.io integration, changed upstream build tool support to publish some archive publication and CI integration. This is pending review from the github's team.
15:37 <didrocks> - ensure --help always returned the desired help (global, category or framework). Add tests for those.
15:37 <didrocks> - fix some i18n bugs and be more relient against user setup. Fixed as well pt_BR translations.
15:37 <didrocks> - run and test to make the test running environment more independant of user setup (like language). Running that for large tests.
15:37 <didrocks> - explored genymotion integration for Android vm testing.
15:37 <didrocks> .
15:37 <willcooke> thanks didrocks
15:37 <willcooke> #topic FJKong
15:37 <Laney> NO
15:37 <Laney> he also helped me!
15:37 <FJKong> 1 debug one skin problem report by user
15:37 <FJKong> 2 update code
15:37 <FJKong> add auto start to pinyin search
15:37 <FJKong> for primary user they can use gui tools to setup task
15:37 <FJKong> 3 go to hospital
15:37 <FJKong> eof
15:38 <willcooke> how's the wrist?
15:38 <FJKong> better
15:38 <FJKong> thanks
15:38 <larsu> ouch. get better
15:38 <willcooke> thanks FJKong
15:38 <willcooke> #topic happyaro1
15:38 <willcooke> timeout set
15:39 <desrt> *tick* *tick* *tick*
15:39 <willcooke> #topic Laney
15:40 <Laney> oops
15:40 <Laney> • Very many uploads and build fixes for the latest mega transition, use seb128-as-a-shell to remove some stuff that was too hard/broken to fix (thanks!)
15:40 <Laney> • Seed update from sprint
15:40 <Laney> • gtk 3.18.4 and 3.18.5 update (incl window drawing fix from larsu, woo!)
15:40 <Laney> • appstream extractor: get working with a git checkout (instead of package), ping didrocks about some bug who is in the middle of assisting (thanks to you too!) but workaround it in the meantime
15:40 <Laney> • set up a trello board for gnome-software https://trello.com/b/o3AB123B/gnome-software (willcooke - can you / should I mail around to get people to use it?)
15:40 <Laney> • eyes tired of packages, work on an autopkgtest-britney fix to not block packages on tests if they have never passed anyway, got review comments to address soon
15:40 <Laney> • misc: off friday
15:40 <Laney> ๛
15:41 <willcooke> @ trello board.  Sure, I will email cos I want to see if we should create another more general one.
15:41 <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "trello" is not a valid command.
15:41 <larsu> more trello boards!
15:41 <willcooke> thanks Laney
15:41 * larsu turns down the sarcasm
15:41 <willcooke> #topic larsu
15:41 <Laney> ...
15:41 <larsu> - tested and reviewed smcv's D-Bus patches
15:41 <larsu> - fixed icon name lookup order in my notify-osd patch from a couple of weeks back
15:41 <larsu> - investigated and found a workaround for the black window flicker issue on compiz
15:41 <larsu> - look into the gnome-screenshot crash that was *apparently* caused by my hidpi fix
15:41 <larsu> - slow progress on geonames localization
15:41 <larsu> </larsu>
15:42 <willcooke> thanks larsu
15:42 <seb128> larsu, the screenshot one was not?
15:42 <larsu> seb128: ya it was - just joking ;)
15:42 <seb128> (we blocked the GTK SRU on a potential regression)
15:42 <seb128> k
15:42 * larsu will fix that nxt
15:42 <willcooke> I tired many things from the internet to get gnome-terminal to show the inspector, but to no avail.
15:42 <seb128> if you have a follow up fix please let me know
15:42 <seb128> so we can unblock GTK
15:42 <larsu> yep
15:42 <seb128> which also includes the tooltip corner thing
15:43 <larsu> willcooke: compile it from source with some debug flag set
15:43 <larsu> dunno how else it would work
15:43 <larsu> I wonder what they're doing to break this
15:43 <willcooke> internet says you should be able to set an env var and then it shows up in the help menu, but no.  Oki, I will probably need a hand to get it to compile.  But I'll finish the other stuff first.
15:44 <willcooke> no immediate urgency on that I think
15:44 <willcooke> #topic qengho
15:44 <qengho> * new Cr upstream. fixing two new bugs before release.
15:44 <qengho> * merging xdg-utils from Debian.
15:44 <qengho> * updating Cr packaging for another format.
15:44 <qengho> EOF
15:44 <qengho> Also,
15:44 <qengho> * laptop is haunted.
15:44 <qengho> EOF
15:44 <willcooke> :D
15:45 <willcooke> thanks qengho
15:45 <willcooke> #topic seb128
15:45 <seb128> • (4 days week, armistice day holiday)
15:45 <seb128> • debugged/fixed guest session not working in xenial
15:45 <seb128> • helped on xenial transitions (libimobiledevice, glew)
15:45 <seb128> • continued on desktop merges&updates
15:45 <seb128> • bugs/errors reviews
15:45 <seb128> • some NEW reviews
15:45 <seb128> </week>
15:45 <willcooke> thanks seb128
15:45 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
15:47 <Sweet5hark1> whops, /me is unprepped please sip me to last
15:47 <willcooke> oki
15:47 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
15:47 <willcooke> * Finally got the Orca gsettings backend work done, and posted on the Orca mailing list to get communit feedback, still got things to fix, and got to optimize code.
15:47 <willcooke> * Upgraded to Xenial. Nothing to report so far, but saw a pulse bug filed that needs investigating.
15:47 <willcooke> * Starting to look at updating Alsa to 1.1.0, both in Debian and in Xenial.
15:47 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
15:47 <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Lots of communication with the guy from the printer manufacturer
15:47 <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Lots of improvements on managing the two or more USB communication channels and on handling delayed answers on USB and timeouts.
15:47 <tkamppeter> - I did not hear about any progress on the phone's print dialog. Did there happen anything?
15:47 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
15:48 <willcooke> tkamppeter, did you have your meeting with design yet?
15:48 <willcooke> actually, let's pick this up in our 1:1 then we can work out what the next steps are
15:48 <tkamppeter> willcooke, no, sometimes I tried to communicate with mpt, but did not get answers.
15:49 <willcooke> oki, I'll speak to design and get something sorted
15:49 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
15:49 <Trevinho> · Checked u-s-d keyboard backlight issues
15:49 <Trevinho> · Did some study and tests on compiz frame synchronization (http://fishsoup.net/misc/wm-spec-synchronization.html)
15:49 <Trevinho> · Various reviews, including the new lockscreen shield for Ubuntu Kylin
15:49 <Trevinho> · Fixed issue with scale when using launcher in multi-monitor.
15:49 <Trevinho> · Improved unity spread to show up new windows when they are opened
15:49 <Trevinho> 
15:49 <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
15:49 <seb128> Trevinho, what's the output of the frame sync study?
15:49 <seb128> would be easy to do?
15:50 <Trevinho> seb128: well, it would take some weeks I think
15:50 <Trevinho> seb128: not that easy... Neither too hard, but it takes some time
15:50 <seb128> right, I guess somebody needs to weight the priority and if it's worth that time investment
15:50 <Trevinho> It depends what could really be the benefits...
15:51 <seb128> one job for willcooke ;-)
15:51 <willcooke> sure, can someone explain the back story to me off line?
15:51 <seb128> we can discuss it after the meeting I guess
15:51 <willcooke> oki
15:51 <willcooke> wfm
15:51 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
15:51 <willcooke> No update this week.
15:52 <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business
15:52 <willcooke> didrocks has offered to run a LP training course :)
15:52 <seb128> willcooke, you should add yourself to the topics ;-)
15:52 <andyrock> :D
15:52 <seb128> so you could list the nice themes fixes coming ;-)
15:52 <willcooke> oh, yeah I guess - let's do that...
15:52 <willcooke> #topic willcooke
15:53 <willcooke> Triage rls-x-incoming.  Slow going but got about half done yesterday.  More tomorrow
15:53 <willcooke> Learning about gtk themeing.  Fix one thing, break another
15:53 <willcooke> I will try to get that all wrapped up in to an MP before too long
15:54 <willcooke> Meetings with exec about things.  More details to follow shortly once everything is confirmed.
15:54 <desrt> sprint things? =)
15:54 <willcooke> There will be a sprint in April, maybe in Prague
15:55 <desrt> sounds fun
15:55 <willcooke> trying to sort an intermediate sprint around GSC
15:55 <willcooke> Hr things...
15:55 <larsu> gsc?
15:55 <Laney> ...
15:55 <willcooke> You have to write some career plans and such.  I will send proper details over email
15:56 <willcooke> Laney, Gnome Software Center
15:56 <larsu> Laney: ?
15:56 <larsu> ah
15:56 <larsu> that's spelled g-c-s *cough* :D
15:56 <larsu> *g-s-c
15:56 <Laney> gnome-software
15:56 <Laney> I don't think it actually has centre in the name
15:56 <larsu> indeed
15:56 <willcooke> ah
15:56 <seb128> g-s
15:56 <larsu> the binary doesn't at least
15:56 <larsu> that's like gnome shell
15:56 <seb128> gnome-screensaver/shell/software
15:57 <seb128> right :p
15:57 <desrt> -session in my mind :)
15:57 <larsu> gnome-settings
15:57 <willcooke> oki, back to...
15:57 <seb128> that's why they should stop the gnome- nonsense, just call it "software" :p
15:57 <willcooke> #topic AOB
15:57 <seb128> easy to google as well
15:57 <larsu> seb128: "files"
15:57 <Laney> gnome-sudoku
15:57 <willcooke> didrocks, tell us about your lp training...
15:57 <seb128> LP? like launchpad?
15:57 <Laney> gnome-screenshot
15:57 <seb128> any specific part? bugs? translations?
15:57 * Sweet5hark1 wonders if "career plans" needs to include "will have report ready for the team meeting"  ...
15:57 <didrocks> hum, wasn't planned to write anything about it, thanks for warning me in advance willcooke :p
15:57 <seb128> bzr!
15:58 <willcooke> geez
15:58 <Laney> gnome-system-log
15:58 <Laney> this is a fun game
15:58 <didrocks> basically, I noticed that some of us don't know how to use LP properly
15:58 <Laney> I guess that would be g-s-l though
15:58 <seb128> Laney, we got it, stop now :à
15:58 <seb128> :)
15:58 <Laney> hahahaHAHAHA sorry
15:58 <didrocks> I quite regularly get some questions :)
15:58 * Laney thinks he is funnier than he really is
15:58 <seb128> oh?
15:58 <didrocks> like where are packages
15:58 <didrocks> what is published where
15:58 <didrocks> ofc, not from old distro guys ;)
15:58 <didrocks> I think maybe having a short 1h LP presentation for people interested could be of use
15:59 <didrocks> and make everyone not knowing how really LP works could be useful
15:59 <seb128> yeah
15:59 <didrocks> (so upstream/downstream bug tasks, nominate for release, different ubuntu gates and processes like FF, how to get binaries from distros, ppa, debug symbols…)
15:59 <desrt> "<didrocks> basically, I noticed that some of us don't know how to use LP properly"
15:59 <didrocks> oh, and as well CI Train
15:59 <desrt> quote of the year
16:00 <didrocks> desrt: fortunately, we are near the end of year ;)
16:00 <didrocks> so yeah, we should organize that. I think people interested, think about it and just o/ in the next meeting, wdyt willcooke?
16:00 <Sweet5hark1> (the obvious followup question would be: if we dont know that, does anybody?)
16:01 <desrt> i'm definitely curious.  i could use to improve my LP-fu
16:01 * didrocks notes desrt then
16:01 <Laney> teach me all about the translations component
16:01 <willcooke> great, we can record it and I'll write up notes for the wiki as well
16:01 <desrt> i'd also be sort of interrested in more general releasey/uploady-type topics
16:01 <didrocks> Laney: nooooooooooo, you are on the blacklist because you will ask about things I obviously don't know :p
16:01 <desrt> not super-useful to my work, but it's all a bit of mystery to me now and it can't hurt to know more
16:01 <didrocks> desrt: yeah, sounds something we can cover
16:02 <Laney> hehe
16:02 <Laney> nobody knows anything about rosetta anyway
16:02 * Sweet5hark1 certainly would be interested in how lp is supposed to work. I'll likely need to abuse it alot away from that, but still, knowing how it should be in an ideal world is a good thing.
16:02 <larsu> whats rosetta?
16:02 <didrocks> Laney: I can show you how to export translations :p
16:02 <didrocks> but seb128 can as well
16:03 <willcooke> ok, we'll get something in the calendar for the lp training then
16:03 <didrocks> that's it :p
16:03 <Laney> the translations bit of launchpad
16:03 <seb128> haha
16:03 <willcooke> thanks didrocks
16:03 <Laney> soyuz = uploading, malone = bugs
16:03 <Laney> what is questions?
16:03 <willcooke> anything else from anyone?
16:03 <seb128> not from me
16:03 <didrocks> Laney: you forgot wiki as well!
16:03 <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: my report?
16:03 <seb128> heh
16:03 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, that's what you get for not coming ready to the meeting :p
16:03 <willcooke> ooooh
16:03 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - 5.1 alpha1/xenial
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - code review
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - some bug triage on LibreOffice ARM not starting, some look in people having problems with libreoffice-dev (sdk) on Ubuntu
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - libpng CVE for coord for TDF LibreOffice build
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - build system/unittest debugging improvements
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - multiple candidate interviews for TDF DocLead position
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - preparations for 2. german open IT Summit in Berlin
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice/GNOME Madrid Hackfest coordination, advertising and budgeting, other tenders&budgeting
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> EOF
16:04 <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1
16:04 <willcooke> #topic aob
16:04 <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah. /me is feeling guilty.
16:05 <willcooke> oki, let's end the meeting and the seb128 Trevinho we can talk about that frame sync stuff
16:05 <willcooke> #endmeeting