15:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-09-22
15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 22 15:30:53 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:30 <didrocks> let's meet!
15:31 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock (out), attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark (probably out), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevino, robert_ancell (out)
15:31 * Trevinho with "h" is here :)
15:31 <Laney> revino
15:31 <Laney> evino
15:31 <FJKong> hi
15:31 <Laney> vino
15:31 <Laney> ino
15:31 <Laney> no
15:31 <seb128> hey
15:31 <Laney> o
15:31 <Laney> 
15:32 <dgadomski> hey
15:32 <Trevinho> Vino... (means wine in Italian :p)
15:32 <qengho> Three wines, plz
15:32 <Trevinho> that's it :D
15:32 <larsu> \o
15:32 * willcooke fixes his list
15:33 <willcooke> and has one of the wines
15:33 <Trevinho> :D
15:33 <willcooke> Right then...
15:33 <willcooke> #topic andyrock
15:33 <willcooke> * Bug scrubing
15:33 <willcooke> * Investigating on why the scopes on 15.04+ are not reliable
15:33 <willcooke> * Code reviews
15:33 <willcooke> * Helping understanding the cause of #1497002 Recent Wily i386 live
15:33 <willcooke> DVDs load with no launcher, top bar, desktop icons, etc. There is a
15:33 <willcooke> quick workaround
15:33 <willcooke> * Updating some old branche
15:33 <willcooke> #topic attente
15:34 <attente> popup menu placement continued, in the process of porting over several gtk widgets to it
15:34 <attente> spent a day up at xdc with desrt and robert_ancell
15:34 <attente> (eof)
15:34 <willcooke> thanks attente
15:34 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:36 <willcooke> desrt we will come back to you
15:37 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
15:37 <dgadomski> hey
15:37 <dgadomski> only 1 thing in the desktop area this week: I've been looking into the reason for problems with installing PPA version of octave on trusty with HWE updates - bug #1424059. Looks like the cause was incorrect resolving of versioned dependencies with 'Provides:'. A workaround for now is to prepare a osmesa-less build of octave (agreed with the ppa maintainer and tested).
15:37 <ubot5> bug 1424059 in mesa (Ubuntu Trusty) "libosmesa6 conflicts with libglapi-mesa-lts-*" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424059
15:37 <dgadomski> EOF
15:37 <willcooke> thanks a lot dgadomski
15:37 <willcooke> #topic didrocks
15:37 <didrocks> o/
15:38 <didrocks> !\ This reports include the last 2 weeks as was on a conference last week
15:38 <ubot5> didrocks: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
15:38 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
15:38 <didrocks> - released 15.09.2 featuring Android SDK downlod only, exit code fixes (both of those, by external contributor)
15:38 <didrocks> - added additional pep8 and tests fixes. Loving pep8 on trusty btw (no easy way to get something passing on trusty pep8 and wily pep8 in term of identation) :p
15:38 <didrocks> - archived our daily jenkins test jobs to ensure we have an in-code backup
15:38 <didrocks> - bugs management and PR reviews
15:38 <didrocks> Developer experience:
15:38 <didrocks> - experiment and play on our developer experience writing a Go service on snappy
15:38 <didrocks> - write that experience on a (too long) documentation, one with and without snapcraft, on a VM and with a raspbery pi 2
15:38 <didrocks> - draft what our next step for developer experience on snappy should be and separation of tools concerns
15:38 <didrocks> - attended to various meetings on this
15:38 <didrocks> Misc:
15:38 <didrocks> - attended to Polymer first ever conference. Back with some plastic ideas on how our HTML5 developer story should be
15:38 <didrocks> - talked with dbarth about an eventual prototyping around our HTML5 developer story & polymer would be
15:38 <didrocks> - archive admin and patch piloting duties
15:38 <didrocks> EOF
15:38 <willcooke> thanks didrocks
15:38 <willcooke> #topic FJKong
15:39 <FJKong> pinyin search:
15:39 <FJKong> improve speed of indexing file to db
15:39 <FJKong> research on index every first Chinese Character
15:39 <FJKong> switch to cmake
15:39 <FJKong> sogou pinyin:
15:39 <FJKong> test right clicking pop menu
15:39 <FJKong> eof
15:40 <willcooke> thanks FJKong
15:40 <willcooke> FJKong, any visa issues or is that all good?
15:41 <desrt> zomg.  sorry!
15:41 <FJKong> no problem
15:41 <willcooke> FJKong, great!
15:41 <willcooke> #topic desrt
15:41 <FJKong> I have VISA for 2 years for UK
15:41 <willcooke> FJKong, excellent, that's worked out nicely then
15:42 <willcooke> hey desrt
15:42 <desrt> hey.  had a minisprint last week for a few days, also went to xdc for a day and worked on the usual inotify stuff during friday.  did some patch reviewing and stuff this morning.
15:42 <Laney> doing better the Ai Weiwei
15:42 <desrt> not much else to report
15:42 <willcooke> thanks desrt
15:43 <willcooke> #topic happyaron
15:43 <willcooke> 1. fcitx package update (but not a complete fix, thanks Laney)
15:43 <willcooke> 2. libxml2 NMU mess resolved for Debian
15:43 <willcooke> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-xml-sgml/libxml2.git/diff/?h=debian/2.9.2%2bzdfsg1-4&id=76c19f4d5b3328c05649314336d27c1f44a49e96&id2=fccd80a7d35b9eefabcc384d5c9fe89d9545dd22
15:43 <willcooke> 3. ubiquity slideshow update for Ubuntu Kylin
15:43 <willcooke> 4. fcitx upstream bug triaging/analysis:
15:43 <willcooke> a) misconfiguration cases - a lot for those who turn off the
15:43 <willcooke> installation of Recommends packages
15:43 <willcooke> b) fcitx ^w out-of-process UI has issues when the desktop runs
15:43 <willcooke> with thin client configurations
15:43 <willcooke> 5. pinyin search packaging: in progress
15:43 <willcooke> #topic hikiko
15:44 <hikiko> hi, : closed some bugs, fixed the cube and deformed cube caps images that appeared off-center, and I am going to investigate this shadow bug and  a few other issues that were revealed while I was trying to reproduce the problem and fix the cubeaddon eof
15:44 <willcooke> thanks hikiko
15:44 <willcooke> #topic Laney
15:45 <Laney> • Normal release team stuff (FFes and so on)
15:45 <Laney> • Test/sync glib
15:45 <Laney> • Work on some s-l-o-w machines to address a gdk-pixbuf build failure - Company committed it upstream & I just uploaded to Debian, will sync if it works.
15:45 <Laney> • gtk 3.16.7
15:45 <Laney> • glib 2.45.8
15:45 <Laney> ∘ smooth some test failures (upload/fwd a fix for tracker, some retries)
15:45 <Laney> • Patch pilot, concentrated on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ubuntu-desktop.html - almost empty, help appreciated on the remainders.
15:45 <Laney> • Notice Unity was deleting launcher icons when applications were upgraded, slight behaviour change in glib, fix that.
15:45 <Laney> • Hopefully fix some trigger loops to avoid (dist-) upgrade failures
15:45 <Laney> • Look at new default wallpaper, needs greyscale version
15:45 <Laney> • Update gst-fluendo-mp3 in Debian to new release & drop 0.10 version
15:45 <Laney> • Fix toolbar fullscreen hiding in eog, not uploaded since waiting for other fixes
15:45 <Laney>15:46 <larsu> Laney made the glib top contributors list this cycle
15:46 <Laney> HAHA
15:46 <willcooke> thanks Laney
15:46 <Laney> I think the barrier was pretty low
15:46 <willcooke> #topic larsu
15:46 <Laney> thanks larsu ♥
15:46 <seb128> Laney, we should have a look at updating the fluendo plugin in the partner archive
15:46 <larsu> - investigate and fix unity crasher (bug #1495173)
15:46 <larsu> - unsuccessfully hunt down dbus-monitor bug (file it instead)
15:46 <larsu> - [in progress] geonames: package, review, think about how to efficiently incorporate translations
15:46 <ubot5> bug 1495173 in Unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_bit_lock()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495173
15:46 <larsu> - [in progress] unity-control-center: draft branch that works with geonames
15:46 <larsu> - [in progress] eog: fix fullscreen toolbar; add traditional menubar
15:46 <larsu> - [in progress] investigate making all output go to the journal and use gnome-logs
15:47 <larsu> </lars>
15:47 <larsu> s/>/u>/
15:47 <willcooke> thanks larsu
15:47 <larsu> sorry about all the in progress stuff
15:47 * larsu should wrap up
15:47 <willcooke> seb128, larsu shall we talk fluendo now or at the end?
15:47 <seb128> yes
15:47 <willcooke> s/larsu/laney
15:47 <seb128> larsu, good list of in progress ;-)
15:48 <larsu> willcooke: you and didrocks....
15:48 <seb128> larsu, btw I tried gnome-logs, it's nice but we loose e.g access to Xorg.0.log
15:48 <seb128> so unsure if we should switch this cycle
15:48 <seb128> or plan better for next cycle
15:48 <larsu> yes, wait for next
15:48 <larsu> it's too tight
15:48 <seb128> k
15:48 <larsu> also missing traditional menu and title bar
15:48 <seb128> willcooke, sorry for interrupting ;-)
15:48 <willcooke> nw
15:48 <seb128> larsu, well, that's ok
15:49 <seb128> more annoying at the windows corners
15:49 <seb128> but that's not specific to gnome-logs
15:49 <larsu> seb128: blame Trevinho...
15:49 <seb128> yeah, we need to put that bug on the lts list
15:49 <didrocks> +1
15:49 <larsu> seb128: I'm all for doing the switch in gtk, but then we lose shadows
15:49 <seb128> Trevinho, do you have a unity/compiz bug for that?
15:50 <Trevinho> seb128: mh, I think i read something, let me check
15:50 <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
15:50 <seb128> willcooke, I think we can continue with the meeting ;-)
15:50 <willcooke> :)
15:50 <willcooke> #topic qengho
15:50 <qengho> * fixed new armhf build problem with chromium-browser.
15:50 <qengho> * l10n and Athlon SSE worries worked out, so giving to #security for release.
15:50 <qengho> * learning how to work on firefox. Hopefully will prepare next release.
15:50 <qengho> * looked for flights, but haven't picked one yet.
15:50 <qengho> EOF
15:51 <willcooke> thanks qengho
15:51 <willcooke> #topic seb128
15:51 <Laney> qengho: will it fix the autopkgtests?
15:51 <seb128> • synced some bugfix updates from debian
15:51 <seb128> • desktop updates (totem, webkitgtk, bluez)
15:51 <seb128> • NEW reviews
15:51 <seb128> • fixed u-c-c/bluez5 regression with ssp devices
15:51 <seb128> • reviewed e.u.c top errors, reported some bugs on launchpad and upstream, pinged some people about some of the issues
15:51 <seb128> • helped with the unity bugs triaging
15:51 <seb128> • investigated software-center/unity integration issue
15:51 <seb128> • looked at syslog warnings and reported some bugs with details about some of those
15:51 <seb128> • reviewed packaging & tried new geonames library for larsu
15:51 <seb128> • contributed to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=rls-w-incoming ... if you have some free cycles please try to have a look and pick a few bugs
15:52 <seb128> we have quite some annoying bugs on that list ^, would be nice to tackle some before wily if we can
15:52 <qengho> Laney: No, it won't. That's some dependency of a dependency of a dependency problem that I haven't tracked down.
15:52 <seb128> willcooke, I wonder if we need another list for wily, or maybe milestone as well
15:52 <Laney> you're meant to triage from the incoming list
15:52 <larsu> seb128: thanks for looking at those warnings!
15:52 <seb128> we dumped "would be nice to fix for the lts" on rls-w-incoming
15:52 <willcooke> seb128, well I was adding to that list because X-incoming doesn't (didnt) exist
15:53 <seb128> Laney, yeah, but we didn't use it this way, we used it as a lts todolist...
15:53 <didrocks> or use priority to order the list?
15:53 <seb128> Laney, see ^
15:53 <willcooke> so I think if we can do anything on that list now, great - but then we can do a proper review at the sprint at take across the ones we want
15:53 <Laney> it can be both
15:53 <seb128> didrocks, launchpad doesn't have priority, importance you mean?  but some "low" importance are easy to fix and should be done for wily imho
15:53 <Laney> to target bugs, nominate and remove the tag
15:53 <Laney> review the rest of them to move to rls-x-incoming
15:54 <willcooke> seb128, oh - right, what you said.  Misread it.
15:54 <didrocks> seb128: importance, yeah, sorry, I think we could focus on the critical/high one. Doesn't prevent anyone having some free time to pick an easy "low" one
15:54 <seb128> right
15:54 <seb128> we should probably make a rls-x-incoming and move things there
15:54 <willcooke> +1
15:54 <seb128> good
15:54 <seb128> thanks
15:54 <Laney> why?
15:55 <Laney> or, why before this release?
15:55 <seb128> Laney, to have a better view of what is for wily
15:55 <seb128> and what is not
15:55 <Laney> that view is supposed to be http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html
15:55 <seb128> so we just need to accept nominations?
15:56 <Laney> nominate and remove the tag
15:56 * Laney just checked that old email
15:56 <seb128> k
15:56 <seb128> wfm
15:56 <seb128> going to do that
15:56 <seb128> Laney, thanks ;-)
15:56 <Laney> then we can see what's left after release to move over
15:56 <Laney> ty
15:56 <seb128> I didn't use that page for a while, I forgot how it was working
15:56 <Laney> try with some test one at first maybe
15:56 <Laney> to make sure it works
15:56 <seb128> right
15:57 <willcooke> ok, that sounds good
15:57 <willcooke> so keep adding to rls-w-incoming for now then
15:58 <seb128> :-)
15:58 * willcooke checks the sprint agenda
15:59 <willcooke> added
15:59 <willcooke> to the top
15:59 <willcooke> #topic sweet5hark
15:59 <willcooke> - LibreOffice conference
15:59 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
16:00 <willcooke> * Finished  packaging up PulseAudio 6.99.2, which will become 7.0 shortly. It can be found in ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/pulse-testing, amd64 and i386 only, armhf failed to build due to qemu related segfault.
16:00 <willcooke> * Fleshed out a little more design for the accessibility profile blueprint, and finished drafting a blog post about it.
16:00 <willcooke> * Started preparing at-spi and orca package updates to be put into the Ubuntu Accessibility dev PPA for general use. Updates will be provided from ppa:accessibility-dev/ppa for Orca, and the at-spi stack, for the LTS, vivid, and wily.
16:00 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
16:00 <tkamppeter> - hplip: Backported hpcups crash fix from upstream, use pkexec instead of gksu for hp-plugin-ubuntu
16:00 <tkamppeter> - cups: USB-backend: Added new quirk rules for delayed closing of the backend for several older HP LaserJet printers
16:00 <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Released 1.23 which logs all communication content as hex dump in debug mode and actually automatically terminates when the printer is disconnected or turned off.
16:00 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
16:00 <willcooke> tjamls tkamppeter
16:01 <willcooke> erm, thanks tkamppeter
16:01 <willcooke> tkamppeter, did your parcel arrive yet?
16:02 <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
16:02 <Trevinho> · Debugging webkit-gtk to get proper OSB theming. Speaking with upstream.
16:02 <Trevinho> · Fixed unit tests on nux, now they run at every build.
16:02 <Trevinho> · Fixed nux events handling on mouse-release when a new view was getting the mouse input
16:02 <Trevinho> · Some tweaking on bugs management scripts
16:02 <Trevinho> · Show-menus-tuning unity branch
16:02 <Trevinho> · New unity/nux landing
16:02 <Trevinho> · Add selective grab to compiz and use it in move and resize plugins
16:02 <Trevinho> · New fixes for gsettings in libunity
16:02 <Trevinho> · Prepared no-change SRU for compiz in vivid to get dbgsym's
16:02 <Trevinho> · Finished work on new dash OSB (after fighting with nux bugs and oddities), needs cleanup
16:02 <Trevinho> · Got sprint flights
16:02 <Trevinho> · Reviews
16:02 <Trevinho> 
16:03 <willcooke> :) thanks Trevinho
16:03 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
16:03 <willcooke> - Attended XDC 2015
16:03 <willcooke> - Released simple-scan 3.18.0
16:03 <willcooke> #topic any other business
16:04 <willcooke> Please get your travel auth in if you haven't already
16:04 <willcooke> Anyone else?
16:04 <desrt> i'd like to share this:
16:04 <desrt> http://www.animalstown.com/animals/animals-x.php
16:04 <willcooke> :D
16:05 <Laney> do I need to do auth to buy the train ticket myself?
16:05 <willcooke> Laney, nah, just expense it
16:05 <Laney> yessssssssssss
16:05 <willcooke> well, that's what I'm doing
16:06 <andyrock> do we need to ask for a pass card to enter in the office?
16:06 <Laney> nah
16:06 <andyrock> \o/
16:06 <willcooke> andyrock, you'll get a visitors badge
16:06 * willcooke will make sure reception are expecting you
16:06 <desrt> are we staying at citizenM?
16:07 <willcooke> desrt, we are
16:07 * Trevinho has an office pass :P
16:07 <desrt> awesome
16:07 <willcooke> I find the place a bit oppressive tbh
16:08 <desrt> it's modern and not too fancy
16:08 <desrt> and the plumbing works properly
16:08 <willcooke> hahaha
16:08 <willcooke> and the windows don't rattle
16:08 <willcooke> and there are less ghosts
16:08 <desrt> they also have international power plugs in the room
16:09 <desrt> because, ya, sometimes hotel guests come from other countries
16:09 <Trevinho> for some reason nobody consider the Italian plug anyway (with ground in the middle)
16:09 <willcooke> ???
16:09 <Laney> they have a bed which you can sleep in any way round
16:09 <Laney> and colouful showers
16:09 <Laney> so it wins for me
16:09 * willcooke likes the breakfast
16:09 <desrt> they also have a nice downstairs area
16:09 <desrt> yes.  breakfast is very very good there.
16:10 <desrt> the staff is also friendly and helpful
16:10 <willcooke> I'm probably only going to stay over weds & thurs night and commute the rest of the time.  Because babies
16:10 <willcooke> anyway - we can continue this after the meeting
16:10 <willcooke> #endmeeting