15:30 <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-08-04
15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  4 15:30:57 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:31 <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt (out),  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (might be packing), happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, larsu (out), qengho (out), seb128, sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter (out), trevino(out), robert_ancell (out)
15:31 <Laney> yo
15:31 <dgadomski> o/
15:31 <hikiko> wow, really lots of people
15:32 <ltsampros> hi hikiko :P
15:32 <didrocks> a lot of people… out! that's not representative of the desktop team :p
15:32 <hikiko> hello ltsampros :p
15:32 <willcooke> Probably unfair to ask andyrock to start :)
15:32 * didrocks was waiting eagerly to andyrock though
15:32 <Laney> hey
15:32 <attente> hi hi
15:33 <Laney> willcooke: you should explain why the list is different :)
15:33 <willcooke> Different to??
15:33 <didrocks> last week :p
15:33 <willcooke> ohhh
15:33 <didrocks> like "moar people"
15:33 <didrocks> Laney: good call btw ;)
15:33 <willcooke> Ok, then before we start
15:34 <willcooke> Welcome to three new members of the Desktop Team!  A big round of applause please for andyrock, hikiko and Trevinho
15:34 <didrocks> welcome guys!
15:34 <ogra_> willcooke, growing a desktop empire, eh ? :)
15:34 <hikiko> thank you! nice to meet you :)
15:35 <Laney> \o/
15:35 <willcooke> ogra_, :D
15:36 <willcooke> Lets kick off then, I'll skip andyrock and we can come back to him at the end
15:36 <willcooke> #topic attente
15:36 <attente> short week due to holiday yesterday
15:36 <attente> getting up to speed with xmir, ended up doing a clean install to get u8 working again
15:36 <attente> debugging gtk under xmir, found a workaround to get gtk apps running under xmir
15:36 <attente> (eof)
15:36 <willcooke> thanks attente - good news for the work around, thanks
15:37 <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
15:37 <dgadomski> hi, my week was mainly about:
15:37 <dgadomski> *looks like the commit suggested by upstream solves bug #1464645, tests look promising. I will prepare a debdiff for SRU with it.
15:37 <ubot5> bug 1464645 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Samba shares over gvfs do not respect ACL rules" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464645
15:37 <dgadomski> *send patch for bug #1473458 (retrying dbus call if the error was DBUS_GERROR_LIMITS_EXCEEDED), waiting for their feedback
15:37 <ubot5> bug 1473458 in NetworkManager "NM not listing all configured connections" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473458
15:37 <dgadomski> *set up environment and successfully reproduced bug #1124250, working towards a fix, currently it's mainly affecting precise with trusty kernel
15:37 <ubot5> bug 1124250 in linux (Ubuntu Utopic) "Partially incorrect uid mapping with nfs4/idmapd/ldap-auth" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124250
15:37 <dgadomski> EOF
15:37 <willcooke> Thanks dgadomski
15:37 <dgadomski> thanks
15:38 <willcooke> dgadomski, we now have some excellent U7 and Compiz skillz with hikiko, Trevinho and andyrock - so be sure to let us know if you need any help there
15:38 <willcooke> #topic didrocks
15:38 <dgadomski> good to know, thank you willcooke
15:38 <didrocks> hey
15:38 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
15:38 <didrocks> - finished reviewing and last issues squashing on Firefox Dev Language support. Excellent work from our new contributor!
15:38 <didrocks> - another new contributor (rewriting part of the readme) review + merge
15:38 <didrocks> - those 2 were released today in 0.9.2! (blog post on planet ubuntu + g+ + tweet)
15:38 <didrocks> - updated Ubuntu Make wiki page to be more current
15:38 <didrocks> - other review on intel SDK support
15:38 <didrocks> - bug triaging
15:39 <didrocks> Developer experience:
15:39 <didrocks> - experienced and continued working on the season 1 example app (design/page navigation/bottom edge/settings storage/u1db reload/filtering-sorting). Fought on some aspects of it and tried to create best practices
15:39 <didrocks> - opened and communicated to the Ubuntu SDK team multiple issues (around u1db/model, bottom edge, some layouting)
15:39 <didrocks> - talked and gave and give advices to the SDK team on installing multiple frameworks support
15:39 <didrocks> - searched and ordered dev advocacy devices
15:39 <didrocks> EOF
15:39 <willcooke> thanks didrocks - very cool to see new community contributors - thanks for making them welcome
15:39 <willcooke> #topic FJKong
15:39 <FJKong> 1 testing sogou Im shuangpin color of tips string
15:40 <FJKong> 2 update scope of pinyin searching
15:40 <FJKong> 3 update converting from Chinese to pinyin
15:40 <FJKong> 4 fix suspended account with help of #is
15:40 <FJKong> eof
15:40 <willcooke> Glad you got your account sorted out.  Hope you have a great time in Europe
15:40 <willcooke> #topic happyaron
15:40 <willcooke> off today
15:41 <willcooke> I'll come back to hikiko at the end
15:41 <willcooke> #topic Laney
15:41 <Laney> hello
15:41 <Laney> • Upload e-d-s 3.16
15:41 <Laney> • Review/merge/upload new patch from abeato to gst-bad
15:41 <Laney> • Cherry-pick glib patch to fix crash in GOptionContext; upload to Debian; sync
15:41 <Laney> • python3.5 fixes
15:41 <Laney> ∘ Fix ipython testsuite; fwd to Debian
15:41 <Laney> ∘ Fix pyside
15:41 <Laney> • Fix telepathy-qt5 FTBFS with new gstreamer (its fault - using broken rules); fwd upstream
15:41 <Laney> • Hopefully fix graphical glitches in VMs using the qxl driver by cherry-picking some stuff from Fedora
15:41 <Laney> • Help out with gcc5 transition - got a big heap of packages to upload
15:41 <Laney> • DMB: meeting, try to make some policy clear
15:41 <Laney> • Try libinput X driver
15:41 <Laney> • Help with A2 release by pressing buttons, pulling levers & prodding folk
15:41 <Laney> • Review/give feedback on u-s-d branch from tseliot to fix issues where touchscreens don't work sometimes
15:41 <Laney> • Off Thursday and Friday
15:41 <Laney> ⚙
15:41 <seb128> Laney, how did the keyboard change go btw?
15:42 <Laney> seems to have fixed it
15:42 <willcooke> Thanks Laney, and special thanks for the A2 work
15:42 <seb128> great
15:42 <Laney> I didn't believe it would
15:42 <Laney> so yes that is good :P
15:42 <Laney> HOWEVER
15:42 <Laney> now there's a rattling noise inside the laptop
15:42 <Laney> seems he dropped a screw or something
15:42 <willcooke> maybe a snake
15:42 <seb128> urg
15:42 <willcooke> be careful
15:43 <willcooke> try putting a live mouse inside and see if the noise stops
15:43 <Laney> HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
15:43 <willcooke> #topic seb128
15:43 <Laney> wait, who typed that?
15:43 <willcooke> LOL
15:43 <seb128> 4 works day only (vac on friday)
15:43 <seb128> • worked on the gcc5 transition (renamed some 25 libraries)
15:43 <seb128> • spent near from a day fighting with device issues (trying to get a working imei back)
15:43 <seb128> • SRUed libtimezonemap/u-c-c location fix to vivid
15:43 <seb128> • discussed bluez5 with the new bluetooth guy in the touch team (nice to get somebody working on the bluetooth stack!)
15:43 <seb128> </week>
15:43 <Laney> new bluetooth guy?
15:44 <seb128> (lot of bugs triage as well)
15:44 <seb128> Laney, yeah, the phone guys have a bluetooth maintainer
15:44 <Laney> nice
15:44 <Laney> who?
15:44 <Laney> is that 'stop pinging cyphermox'? :P
15:44 <didrocks> nice, so the touch side for bluez will happen it seems!
15:44 <seb128> morphis on IRC
15:44 <cyphermox> moo>
15:44 <willcooke> excellent, thanks seb128
15:45 <seb128> Laney, he submitted https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/ubuntu-system-settings/bt-always-do-async-calls/+merge/266201 and started triaging some bugs
15:45 <seb128> yw!
15:45 <willcooke> #topic sweet5hark
15:45 <willcooke> LO & Doc Foundation  meetings
15:45 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
15:46 <willcooke> * Continued working out possible ways to integrate accessibility profiles into Ubuntu a little more tightly.
15:46 <willcooke> * More upstream text to speech related activities.
15:46 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
15:46 <willcooke> Bugs and house hunting
15:46 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
15:46 <willcooke> - Fix red and blue channels being swapped on XMir on Nexus 4
15:46 <willcooke> - Update depends in packages to stop using transitional package names
15:46 <willcooke> - Update USB ID database in wily
15:47 <willcooke> oki, doesn't look like andyrock is about, and Trevinho is on holiday, so....
15:47 <willcooke> #topic hikiko
15:47 <hikiko> Installed wily, worked on a small fix in the 3d windows compiz plugin pointed out by bregma (almost done), started working on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1480863 I found while I am fixing the ezoom plugin to scale also the unity components (atm it only zooms at the compiz windows/components) - this bug needs more work, I didn't find a fix yet EOF :)
15:47 <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1480863 in Compiz "a menu appears on the panel when we are in spread mode" [Undecided,New]
15:47 <willcooke> awesome, thanks hikiko
15:47 <willcooke> #topic willcooke
15:48 <willcooke> This week I have mostly been getting some thoughts together on 16.04
15:48 <willcooke> So as we know (I hope) 16.04 Desktop will be a deb based Unity 7 LTS
15:49 <willcooke> \o/
15:49 <willcooke> Our team need to make this the best release ever, so lots of focus on quality, maintainability and hopefully finding time to add some new features
15:50 <willcooke> One of the first jobs will be to get a list of bugs we want fixed
15:50 <seb128> +1
15:50 <willcooke> In U7, Compiz, and elsewhere in the platform
15:50 <seb128> that's not only for unity
15:50 <willcooke> :)
15:50 <seb128> I noticed some on the way while triaging other components, unsure how to tag/mark them
15:50 <Laney> rls-w-incoming
15:50 <Laney> although that report is broken atm
15:50 <willcooke> I was using 16.04-hit-list, but Laney pointed me at that ^^
15:51 <Laney> I pinged bdmurray about it
15:51 <seb128> those are the ones the release team care about though
15:51 <willcooke> should we not use X incoming?
15:51 <seb128> not our own wishlist
15:51 <seb128> no?
15:51 <Laney> they don't use it
15:51 <Laney> and it has a report working already
15:51 <Laney> so might as well imho
15:51 <seb128> k
15:51 <didrocks> as long they the release team don't consider them blockers as in the past, it's fine
15:51 <Laney> don't know if X is working atm
15:52 <willcooke> It gives us a convenient incoming queue, which we can then triage and move to another "will work on queue"
15:52 <Laney> we could either get that set up or use W and try to fix some for 15.10 then move the rest later
15:52 <willcooke> it should be easy enough to move them over once it's open
15:52 <willcooke> Laney, +1
15:53 <seb128> +1 as well
15:53 <willcooke> I would also like to ask community members to help us organise that list, suggest things which should be worked on, work on code, etc
15:53 <willcooke> So I'm trying to find a good mechanism to do that
15:53 <willcooke> G+ polls - urgh
15:54 <willcooke> Some Wordpress plugin for voting - urgh
15:54 <Laney> hmm
15:54 <willcooke> I wonder if LP can help us with that?
15:54 <Laney> if you like triaging queues then just say anyone can use the tag
15:54 <willcooke> and also, we don't just want a big free for all, so it will take some managing
15:55 <seb128> we can use tag + maybe serie nomination as a way to acl control those?
15:55 <willcooke> the tag works for me.  And if it turns out we get a bazillion bugs, then we'll have to work out something else
15:55 <Laney> otherwise... you can set up a project on LP and get people to 'also affects' bugs to that
15:56 <Laney> I think that the workflow is that you nominate to the series to 'accept' the bug
15:56 <didrocks> I wonder if the tools that I built some years ago and design used may be useful
15:56 <didrocks> with a master task
15:56 <Laney> then it goes -incoming -> rls-w-bugs
15:57 <Laney> there was an email from slangasek I think to an internal list a couple of years ago
15:57 <Laney> but I couldn't find it the other day
15:57 <seb128> about those tags?
15:57 <willcooke> ok, I'll have a play with the options in LP and see which is easiest
15:58 <willcooke> if you guys can try it out as well and let me know what you think we can reach an agreement
15:58 <didrocks> I'm happy to present the system I put in place for design (and the unity team) at the time if needed
15:58 <Laney> yeah
15:58 <didrocks> (they are still using it 4 years later and I maintain the backend from time to time, so it should work… :p)
15:58 <willcooke> and then we can publicise the plans on mailing list, G+, FB I guess
15:58 <willcooke> thanks didrocks, let's look at that in our 1:1 this week
15:58 <didrocks> sure
15:59 <willcooke> and if seb128, Laney  anyone - you want to see it as well, I'll comment here and you can join the HO
15:59 <seb128> Laney, "Bug tracking for 12.10" on the platform list on june 2012
15:59 <seb128> ubuntu-platform@
15:59 <seb128> linked to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-release-bug-list-workflows
16:00 <Laney> looks like I lost the archive of that list
16:00 <seb128> I can fwd that email to you if you want
16:00 <seb128> but the blueprint should summarize it
16:01 <seb128> fwded in any case
16:01 <willcooke> seb128, can I get a copy too?
16:01 <seb128> willcooke, done
16:01 <willcooke> thx
16:02 <willcooke> let's continue this discussion over the next week or so
16:02 <willcooke> and move to wrap the meeting
16:02 <willcooke> #topic AOB
16:02 <willcooke> Any other business?
16:02 <willcooke> Generally, people are on holidays, conferences for the next couple of weeks
16:03 <willcooke> AOB - going once....
16:03 <willcooke> twice
16:03 <willcooke> #endmeeting