== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop Meeting, 31 Mar at 15:34 — 16:16 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-03-31-15.34.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== attente ===
The discussion about "attente" started at 15:34.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:34.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:38.


=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:41.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 15:47.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:51.


=== Sweet5hark1 ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark1" started at 15:54.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 15:56.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 15:59.


=== other topics? ===
The discussion about "other topics?" started at 15:59.


=== FJKong ===
The discussion about "FJKong" started at 16:00.


=== happyaron ===
The discussion about "happyaron" started at 16:01.


=== other topics? ===
The discussion about "other topics?" started at 16:10.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (106)
 * didrocks (47)
 * Laney (28)
 * larsu (20)
 * happyaron (14)
 * Sweet5hark1 (11)
 * FJKong (10)
 * desrt (9)
 * qengho (5)
 * attente (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * ubot5 (1)



== Full Log ==


 15:34 <seb128> #startmeeting

 15:34 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 31 15:34:06 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:34 <meetingology> 

 15:34 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:34 <seb128> bah, forgot we had new techs nowadays :p

 15:34 <seb128> #topic attente

 15:34 <attente> lol

 15:34 <seb128> see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/31/%23ubuntu-desktop.html log for those reading minutes ;-)

 15:34 <seb128> #topic desrt

 15:34 <seb128> desrt, hey

 15:34 <desrt> hey.  what's up?

 15:35 <desrt> not a lot to report this week in terms of bullet points, but i've been working on a big one:

 15:35 <desrt> while i have the file monitor code fresh in my brain, i'm trying to slay the "periodic polling on missing files" thing

 15:35 <desrt> i made some pretty good progress on that over the weekend but it's still going to be a substantial slog

 15:35 <desrt> not much else to report

 15:36 <seb128> desrt, did any of the backtrace/e.u.c reports I pinged you about looked concerning or as potential glib issues to you?

 15:37 <seb128> desrt, I'm asking because several of those component didn't change since previous cycle and the reports started this cycle and are in glib code

 15:37 <desrt> i took some time looking at those.  one of them seemed semi-legitimate and i made a patch to downgrade the assert to a warning (which i forgot to commit until just now, thanks for the reminder)

 15:37 <desrt> the other two just looked like gvariant refcounting issues

 15:37 <seb128> thanks

 15:37 <desrt> if you can get me more information about those (cores, etc) i'd be happy to look

 15:37 <desrt> but otherwise it's pretty impossible :/

 15:38 <seb128> k, fair enough

 15:38 <seb128> desrt, thanks

 15:38 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:38 <seb128> didrocks, hey

 15:38 <didrocks> hey!

 15:38 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:

 15:38 <didrocks> - spent some time triaging bug reports and testing various user's cases.

 15:38 <didrocks> Systemd:

 15:38 <didrocks> - did some bug triaging/investigation until Martin was back

 15:38 <didrocks> - backported some upstream systemd patches for beta

 15:38 <didrocks> - fixed the tmp.mount erratic behavior

 15:38 <didrocks> - fix an hanging issue due to the newest way of detecting mount point for machine-commit-id and sysfs

 15:38 <didrocks> - handling some feedbacks/emails/bug reports due to upstart-sysv change (third parties building images without using ubuntu-minimal, listing packages manually with *aptitude*)…

 15:38 <didrocks> Misc:

 15:38 <didrocks> - gave a talk at jdll during the week-end, performed there multiple installatiosn

 15:38 <didrocks> - check Laney's gnome-terminal wrapper (but seems some more work is needed for full backward compatbility, even if it's already a great enhancement!)

 15:38 <didrocks> - snappy doc reading + experimentations

 15:38 <didrocks> .

 15:39 <seb128> no nice utf8 char this week? ;-)

 15:39 <larsu> ·

 15:39 <didrocks> seb128: I hope Laney sent you one this time :)

 15:39 <Sweet5hark1> didrocks: oh, playing with snappy too?

 15:40 <larsu> seb128: '.' is utf8, too

 15:40 <didrocks> Sweet5hark1: yeah (see last week report, also proposed some patches already ;))

 15:40 <seb128> larsu, lol, good point ;-)

 15:40 <seb128> didrocks, thanks

 15:41 <Sweet5hark1> larsu: utf-8 even has multiple different . all looking alike being utf-8

 15:41 <didrocks> yw!

 15:41 <seb128> Laney seems not back yet, so let's move him to the end and see if he joins us, I've his summary otherwise

 15:41 <seb128> #topic larsu

 15:41 <seb128> larsu, hey

 15:41 <larsu> hi!

 15:41 <larsu> not been very productive this last week (not feeling to well)

 15:42 <larsu> finished up the thin progress bar thing

 15:42 <larsu> thanks Laney for backporting the patch

 15:42 <larsu> mucked around with a couple of icon problems (zooming in nautilus, alt-tab and launcher in unity)

 15:42 <larsu> in short: humanity is doing it wrong

 15:43 <larsu> I started fixing that, but postponed to next cycle because it turned out to be a huge diff

 15:43 <larsu> and just hacked it a bit by setting MaxSize on most scalable folders

 15:43 <larsu> which is working nicely

 15:43 <larsu> I also investigated what chpe is doing to my terminal patches

 15:44 <larsu> because he's not communicating, just applying patches randomly and not marking them as committed

 15:44 <larsu> and putting blocker and depends bugs up

 15:44 <larsu> frustrating...

 15:44 <larsu> also the usual MR and bug stuff

 15:44 <seb128> :-/

 15:44 <larsu> ×

 15:45 <seb128> larsu, danke

 15:45 <Laney> didrocks: separate issue, larsu was working on that stuff

 15:45 <Laney> HI!

 15:45 <seb128> hey Laney

 15:45 <seb128> Laney, ready if it's your turn?

 15:45 <Laney> one second

 15:46 <larsu> over

 15:46 <attente> terminator for default...

 15:46 <Laney> <<< EOF

 15:46 <Laney> my laptop failed to resume (systemd ...) so I have to get re-stated

 15:46 <didrocks> attente: don't even try :p

 15:46 <seb128> Laney, k, let's do qengho first then

 15:47 <attente> :P

 15:47 <seb128> #topic qengho

 15:47 <seb128> qengho, hey

 15:47 <qengho> - Done: Packaged Chromium as Snap. Verdict: Won't work for now. Needs setuid support.

 15:47 <qengho> - In-progress: Getting Chromium updated in precise again.

 15:47 <qengho> EOF

 15:47 <Laney> ok!

 15:48 <seb128> qengho, thanks

 15:49 <seb128> qengho, did you give some feedback back to the snap team about chromium as snap?

 15:49 <qengho> I ran it thorough jdstrand to consider implications first.

 15:50 <seb128> k

 15:50 <seb128> would be nice to have that feedback on some mailing list maybe

 15:51 <seb128> -devel?

 15:51 <qengho> Will do.

 15:51 <seb128> could be useful to others

 15:51 <seb128> qengho, thanks

 15:51 <seb128> #topic Laney

 15:51 <seb128> Laney, hey

 15:51 <Laney> hi thar

 15:51 <Laney> • Short week, on holidays until Friday

 15:51 <Laney> • Updates: gtk glib glib-networking librsvg

 15:51 <Laney> • Fix gnome-terminal wrapper to cope with non existing profiles, fwd upstream

 15:51 <Laney> • Discussions about upload rights to CI train PPAs

 15:51 <Laney> • Some queue reviews since we're now in freeze

 15:51 <Laney> ❣

 15:52 <larsu> ♥

 15:52 <larsu> of course compose sequence for a heart is <3

 15:52 <seb128> thanks Laney

 15:54 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark1

 15:54 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, hey

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + libreoffice_4.4.1-0ubuntu2 for vivid-proposed: FFe for breeze icons

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + merged Steves l10n fix, added README about generated ./debian

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + updated PPA to libreoffice_4.4.2_rc2-1 with new upstream rc

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + got myself a booting snappy VM and looked around a bit for porting LibreOffice (aka build-dep list walking)

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + started some GSOC student application review

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> + continued refactoring work upstream

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> EOF

 15:54 <Sweet5hark1> proudly plain ASCII only today!

 15:54 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, same for you, snappy feedback shared would be nice I guess

 15:55 <seb128> didrocks, ^ that applies to you as well

 15:55 <Sweet5hark1> seb128: sure, sure. still collecting a list of gos and no-gos.

 15:56 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, thanks

 15:56 <didrocks> seb128: well, I'm sending my feedback as upstream patches for now

 15:56 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 15:56 <didrocks> (which got merged)

 15:57 <seb128> didrocks, k, I was speaking more about faq or useful tips, dunno if we have a wiki or something, so everybody doesn't hit the same issue when looking at their first package

 15:57 <seb128> tkamppeter, there?

 15:58 <seb128> seems not

 15:58 <seb128> he sent me an email after the start of the meeting though, weird

 15:58 <seb128> anyway, his summary

 15:58 <seb128> - cups-filters: Investigations on cups-browsed crash

 15:58 <seb128> - Organizational stuff for OpenPrinting Summit and Desktop Sprint

 15:58 <seb128> - Bugs.

 15:58 <Laney> haha

 15:58 <seb128> thanks tkamppeter ;-)

 15:59 <seb128> #topic seb128

 15:59 <seb128> • unity-settings-daemon, wrap labels from the mount helper dialog

 15:59 <seb128> • looked a bit at getting gtk2/3 out of the phone image

 15:59 <seb128> • looked at whoopsie configuration not working correctly on touch

 15:59 <seb128> • lot of bugs reviews (launchpad, e.u.c) before vivid

 15:59 <seb128> • backported some gedit bugfixes to vivid

 15:59 <seb128> • ubuntu-themes landing for Laney&larsu

 15:59 <seb128> • changes to unity&nautilus for nautilus .desktop rename

 15:59 <seb128> • tested/sponsored humanity-icon-theme fix from Lars for pixelized icons in unity switchter

 15:59 <seb128> • tested vivid beta iso of desktop and desktop-next

 15:59 <seb128> • backported qt5 fix for incorrectly themed cursor

 15:59 <seb128> • u-s-s

 15:59 <seb128> ∘ cleaned up the merges list

 15:59 <seb128> ∘ reviewed change to make disk computation correct on arale

 15:59 <seb128> ...

 15:59 <seb128> #topic other topics?

 16:00 <seb128> did I forget anyone? any other topic?

 16:00 <didrocks> seb128: did you send the MP for the whoopsie configuration after our discussion? I didn't see the MP?

 16:00 <Laney> sooooooooo do we have an xorg person atm? :)

 16:00 <seb128> Laney, you?

 16:00 <FJKong> hey seb128

 16:00 * Laney appears to have no two finger scrolling

 16:00 <seb128> oh, ups

 16:00 <Laney> debug it please seb128!

 16:00 <seb128> #topic FJKong

 16:00 <Laney> ha

 16:00 <seb128> FJKong, sorry, forgot you and happyaron

 16:00 <seb128> your turn

 16:00 <FJKong> not much but mine is

 16:00 <FJKong> some topic on CCN meeting:

 16:00 <FJKong> some new feature for next release sogou IM, Wubi and shuangpin input engine.

 16:00 <FJKong> animation skin support.

 16:00 <FJKong> KV database test for pinyin converting.

 16:00 <FJKong> sponsor for localization with aron.

 16:00 <FJKong> attend ubuntu scope training for University at Changsha.

 16:01 <FJKong> EOF<

 16:01 <happyaron> I'm here

 16:01 <FJKong> ha

 16:01 <seb128> FJKong, thanks

 16:01 <seb128> #topic happyaron

 16:01 <seb128> happyaron, hey

 16:02 <happyaron> atteded CCN meeting with FJKong

 16:02 <happyaron> bug/task updates for Ubuntu Kylin beta2

 16:03 <happyaron> Sogou meetings for phone

 16:03 <happyaron> fcitx default (zh_*) for Kubuntu and other flavors

 16:04 <happyaron> over

 16:04 <didrocks> happyaron: did you see my ping yesterday about the cangjie ibus module maintainer happy to give a hand if needed to get his lib shared with fcitx (better HK support, more up to date data apparently)?

 16:04 <attente> happyaron: hey, are you going to do a new release of fcitx-qimpanel?

 16:05 <happyaron> didrocks: yes, and ypwong (a16g) is maintaining libcangjie for Debian/Ubuntu, I want to talk to him to follow up with upstream together, but he's on leave today

 16:05 <happyaron> attente: yes

 16:05 <didrocks> happyaron: good! upstream lives 10 minutes from me, so if you need anything… ;)

 16:06 <seb128> happyaron, did you hear about any work to make sogou work out of the box?

 16:06 <happyaron> I just started to handle more parts in the cooperation with NUDT, so I spent some time on doing glue communications

 16:06 <seb128> happyaron, I've been asked about that, which is new to me if true :-)

 16:07 <happyaron> seb128: yes, and I'll write email about the result from CCN meeting

 16:07 <seb128> happyaron, is that targetted for vivid?!

 16:07 <happyaron> nope

 16:07 <seb128> k, good

 16:07 <seb128> thanks

 16:07 <seb128> happyaron, can give me the zest of what is wanted?

 16:08 <seb128> would that be in ubiquity like for codecs?

 16:08 <happyaron> briefly, 1) inclusion in archive (restricted or partner, depends) 2) suggestion on ubiquity, like the mp3 stuff 3) possibly do some locale/timesome-specific notifications/suggestions, that recommend the user to install it when restricted/partner is enabled.

 16:10 <seb128> happyaron, thanks

 16:10 <seb128> #topic other topics?

 16:10 <seb128> k, I don't have the summary from robert_ancell or TheMuso

 16:10 <happyaron> and for more, there are some thing about pingbacks or popcon-like stuff, giving a checkbox at installation time and in privacy settings, and possibly have the checkbox checked when certain requirements is satisfied

 16:11 <didrocks> seb128: I guess you missed my question for you on whoopsie/touch MP

 16:11 <happyaron> (i.e. the preset settings, and users are able to opt-out/in at any time)

 16:11 <seb128> didrocks, I added https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201618635/lac.debdiff to bug #1437633 and Laney suggested a rtm version on https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201678101/lxc-android-config_0.208rtm10.debdiff

 16:11 <ubot5> bug 1437633 in lxc-android-config (Ubuntu) "Choosing not to report crashes and errors setting reverts" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437633

 16:11 <seb128> didrocks, no, didn't :-)

 16:12 <didrocks> seb128: hum, empty .override?

 16:12 <didrocks> seb128: so, it's disabled by default?

 16:12 <Laney> no

 16:12 <Laney> empty override means no override

 16:12 <seb128> didrocks, no, the override is doing nothing

 16:12 <didrocks> it is if you ship an empty .override file

 16:12 <Laney> no

 16:12 <didrocks> Laney: no

 16:12 <Laney> NO!

 16:12 <didrocks> still no :p

 16:13 <Laney> the maintainer said so yesterday

 16:13 <didrocks> hum

 16:13 <seb128> didrocks, we discussed it yesterday, jodh confirmed it does nothing

 16:13 <seb128> on this channel

 16:13 <didrocks> interesting, that either changed or all the tests that we did until a couple of months were wrong

 16:13 <seb128> but I didn't test to be honest

 16:13 <didrocks> that's basically how we disable upstart jobs

 16:13 <didrocks> ship an empty .override

 16:13 <Laney> you probably put "manual" in an override file

 16:13 <seb128> are you sure you didn't have a "manual" line in those?

 16:13 <didrocks> Laney: no, completely empty in the tests

 16:13 <seb128> hum :-/

 16:14 <seb128> k, need testing then

 16:14 <didrocks> yeah

 16:14 <didrocks> and in that case, we would have some stuff to patch either way

 16:14 <didrocks> (in some postinst script)

 16:14 <seb128> didrocks, thanks for pointing it out

 16:14 <seb128> didrocks, for the record, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/03/30/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t16:41

 16:14 <seb128> "jodh	seb128: ogra is right - the empty override would be parsed and found to contain no stanzas, so would be a NOP"

 16:15 <didrocks> seems the cookbook agrees with this

 16:15 <didrocks> I wonder why we did it all wrong in multiple places

 16:15 <seb128> :-/

 16:15 <didrocks> I guess I know what I need to do tomorrow then :p

 16:15 <seb128> maybe there is a bug in upstart

 16:15 <didrocks> yeah

 16:15 <seb128> and it's not acting as it should?

 16:15 <Laney> woah

 16:15 <didrocks> that or the tests were wrong

 16:15 <Laney> i just tested, it does indeed disable it

 16:15 <seb128> woah sounds like Laney tested and confirmed it's buggy :p

 16:15 <didrocks> Laney: ahah, see!

 16:15 <seb128> hehe

 16:15 <Laney> do this: touch ~/.config/upstart/unity7.conf

 16:15 <Laney> and restart session

 16:15 <seb128> ok, let's wrap the meeting and continue that discussion

 16:16 <didrocks> THIS MEANS: I can type and test \o/

 16:16 <didrocks> not that crazy

 16:16 <didrocks> yeah ;)

 16:16 <seb128> thanks everyone

 16:16 <didrocks> thanks

 16:16 <seb128> #endmeeting



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