== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop Meeting, 24 Mar at 15:32 — 16:05 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-03-24-15.32.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== attente_ ===
The discussion about "attente_" started at 15:32.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:38.

  * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Roadmap 

=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:42.


=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:44.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 15:56.


=== Sweet5hark ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark" started at 15:57.


=== happyaron ===
The discussion about "happyaron" started at 15:59.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 16:00.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 16:03.


=== TheMuso ===
The discussion about "TheMuso" started at 16:03.


=== other topics ===
The discussion about "other topics" started at 16:03.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (104)
 * larsu (20)
 * didrocks (18)
 * attente_ (18)
 * desrt (14)
 * mlankhorst (11)
 * Sweet5hark (7)
 * mheinke (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * ubot5 (1)
 * willcooke (1)



== Full Log ==


 15:32 <seb128> #startmeeting

 15:32 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 24 15:32:09 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:32 <meetingology> 

 15:32 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:32 <seb128> #topic attente_

 15:32 <seb128> attente_, hey

 15:32 <mlankhorst> argh so close.. if I only knew why I would get black decoration for compiz..

 15:32 <attente_> resolve im-config not running under unity 8

 15:32 <attente_> figured out why gnome-tweak-tool is fixed with a new gtk... it fixes it because it breaks the thing (o-s) that breaks gnome-tweak-tool, ended up just applying the background change to a different widget, thanks Laney

 15:32 <attente_> debug crasher in fcitx-qimpanel, merged upstream

 15:32 <attente_> still trying to get ibus-ui-gtk working under mir, i have a rough idea why it's not working...

 15:33 <attente_> oh right. Laney's off i guess

 15:33 <seb128> he is

 15:33 <seb128> let me know if you need sponsoring or something this week

 15:33 <attente_> sure. maybe happyaron can do another upstream release of fcitx-qimpanel

 15:34 <seb128> happyaron, ^ that would be good :-)

 15:34 <seb128> attente_, did you see my msg earlier about u-c-c not listing any ibus options on a current vivid livecd session, is that expected?

 15:34 <attente_> seb128: yeah, i just looked at that in a vm. it won't list anything that isn't already installed

 15:35 <attente_> which i think was pretty much always the behaviour of u-c-c

 15:35 <seb128> how are users supposed to add chinese to their inputs?

 15:35 <attente_> so removing ibus-pinyin would mean that there's no ibus engines

 15:35 <seb128> oh, right

 15:35 <attente_> seb128: isn't that supposed to be through language-selector

 15:35 <attente_> ?

 15:35 <seb128> we declared that fcitx is what chinese users use

 15:36 <seb128> so we replace ibus-pinying

 15:36 <seb128> gotcha

 15:36 <attente_> right

 15:36 <seb128> attente_, thanks, that makes sense

 15:36 <attente_> seb128: what's kind of bad is now we have ibus but it isn't really working from the image without any engines

 15:36 <attente_> :/

 15:36 <seb128> yeah, well before it was doing only chinese I guess?

 15:37 <attente_> yeah

 15:37 <attente_> that was always the behaviour of u-c-c. to only list the installed engines

 15:37 <seb128> so not a big difference, most locales go through "install for their locales, get the ibus package, then be able to configure from your session"

 15:37 <seb128> right

 15:37 <seb128> installed systems should have the ibus support pulled through language-selector

 15:37 <seb128> attente_, thanks

 15:38 <attente_> seb128: thanks

 15:38 <seb128> #topic desrt

 15:38 <desrt> hey

 15:38 <seb128> desrt, hey, not sure if you are able to join?

 15:38 <desrt> finished the file monitor branch and landed that after we branched stable

 15:38 <desrt> so we'll have faster file monitors not in vivid, but in W

 15:38 <seb128> nice

 15:38 <desrt> ironically, although it was supposed to fix crashes, it seems i messed up something on kqueue and the freebsd guys are screaming about crashes now

 15:39 <desrt> so i'm gonna be looking into that

 15:39 <desrt> also cleaned up and submitted the ghandle stuff for review.. probably that lands in the next week

 15:39 <desrt> and releases, of course

 15:39 <desrt> that's all

 15:39 <desrt> other than lots of discussions about the cycle to come...

 15:40 <seb128> any idea of what's coming next already?

 15:40 <seb128> or still having ongoing discussions?

 15:41 <desrt> lots of plumbing type fixups in glib

 15:41 <desrt> not sure what's happening gtk-side in the next cycle

 15:41 <desrt> but as usual we've been updating the roadmap

 15:41 <desrt> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Roadmap

 15:41 <seb128> k

 15:42 <seb128> desrt, anything else?

 15:42 <desrt> nope

 15:42 <seb128> desrt, thanks

 15:42 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:42 <seb128> didrocks, hey

 15:42 <didrocks> hey

 15:42 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:

 15:42 <didrocks> - as pip upstream is still discussing about the "right" solution to get pip install working as an user by default, added just a small patch I was waiting on for handling the sudo case: if pip runs as root, fallback to old system-wide behavior. That way, scripts using "sudo pip install" will still install system-wide python packages on vivid (we didn't get bug report, but I was expecting it will break

 15:42 <didrocks> people's scripts).

 15:42 <didrocks> systemd:

 15:42 <didrocks> - continued to spend some time triaging the incoming systemd related (or not!) bugs.

 15:42 <didrocks> - upstart wasn't starting anymore as a boot option. That was clear thanks to autopkgtests as well. Fix it by doing some package transitions (upstart -> upstart-sysv, upstart-bin -> upstart), involving autopkgtest, init-system-helpers, systemd, ubuntu-touch-meta and upstart (bug #1422681). The good news is that we didn't break any image build (neither Touch) once the transition was completed. \o/ For

 15:42 <didrocks> your information, now: starting upstart by default is an "apt-get install upstart-sysv" away, and starting systemd by default is an "apt-get install systemd-sysv" away.

 15:42 <didrocks> - helped the ubuntu core team on various systemd issues on upload (autopkgtests breaking: xorg, display manager not starting…)

 15:42 <didrocks> - missing dbus machine-id issue fallbacking directly to systemd machine-id fixed.

 15:42 <didrocks> Misc:

 15:42 <ubot5> bug 1422681 in ubuntu-touch-meta (Ubuntu) "split out upstart-sysv" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422681

 15:42 <didrocks> - couple of patches for snappy (go version) to get better shell completion and minor bug fix.

 15:42 <didrocks> - more MIR process discussions.

 15:42 <didrocks> ☘

 15:42 <didrocks> (as Laney isn't around)

 15:43 <mlankhorst> hm how can I make a screenshot from the command line? :P

 15:43 <seb128> mlankhorst, using another device? ;-)

 15:43 <mlankhorst> :/

 15:44 <seb128> didrocks, thanks for stepping up for the weekly utf8 char :-)

 15:44 <mheinke> mlankhorst: import -window root ~/Pictures/$(date '+%Y%m%d-%H%M%S').png

 15:44 <didrocks> seb128: always ready for this! :)

 15:44 <mheinke> might work

 15:44 <seb128> didrocks, thanks

 15:44 <mheinke> depends on your system reall

 15:44 <mheinke> y

 15:44 <seb128> #topic larsu

 15:44 <mlankhorst> ok

 15:44 <seb128> larsu, hey

 15:45 <larsu> hi!

 15:45 <larsu> I ventured into thin-scrollbar land this week

 15:46 <larsu> turns out it's a gtk bug. Filed upstream today with a patch (some tricky sizing issues)

 15:46 <larsu> also some theming that goes along with it

 15:46 <larsu> tried making the spacing problem for the new decorations on headerbars o away, but it's too complex. Needs discussion  with upstream

 15:47 <larsu> started looking into the nautilus sizing thing today

 15:47 <larsu> fixed backgrounds in gnome-desktop

 15:47 <larsu> (hidpi issues)

 15:47 <larsu> started looking into doing the same for unity-greeter, but that has some comments about not using gnome-desktop in there

 15:48 <larsu> and lots of open bugs about not supporting gradients, tiling, etc. Want to talk to robert before doing any work there

 15:48 <larsu> maybe he already has a plan

 15:48 <larsu> also the ususal code reviews etc.

 15:48 <larsu> </larsu>

 15:48 <seb128> larsu, thanks for helping on the hidpi issue

 15:48 <larsu> sure

 15:48 <larsu> was quite tricky

 15:49 <seb128> I'm unsure why the greeter is not/doesn't want to use libgnome-desktop, I guess that's one for robert_ancell

 15:49 <larsu> but I'm happy with the way it turned out

 15:49 <seb128> me too :-)

 15:49 <seb128> good job!

 15:49 <seb128> it's in vivid and oem confirmed it works with ubiquity

 15:49 <larsu> seb128: ya, I started hacking before realizing maybe I should talk to him first

 15:49 <larsu> seb128: nice!

 15:49 <seb128> maybe email is best with robert_ancell

 15:49 <seb128> or get online after 10pm to catch him

 15:50 <seb128> larsu, anything else?

 15:50 <larsu> I don't think so :)

 15:50 * larsu doesn't take good notes

 15:50 <seb128> well, I think you already have quite some work in that summary, no worry if it lacks some details ;-)

 15:51 <seb128> (that's why I usual add my "usual share of bugs & discussions" ;-)

 15:51 <seb128> thanks larsu

 15:51 <mlankhorst> bringing up ubuntu on the tegra with nouveau drivers!

 15:51 <seb128> mlankhorst, hey, last meeting with us it seems :-(

 15:52 <mlankhorst> the tegra K1 specifically, I tried to get a screenshot for this but it seems the hw doesn't like me right now :P

 15:52 <mlankhorst> indeed, last meeting :)

 15:53 <seb128> mlankhorst, good luck for your next adventures!

 15:53 <seb128> it was nice to work with you

 15:53 <mlankhorst> thanks for all the fish!

 15:53 <seb128> I hope we still see you around and that you keep using Ubuntu :-)

 15:53 <mlankhorst> I might, I still want to get ubuntu running on this!

 15:53 <seb128> great ;-)

 15:54 <attente_> o/

 15:54 <mlankhorst> o/

 15:54 <didrocks> see you mlankhorst, hope you will enjoy your next challenge :)

 15:55 <mlankhorst> yeah :)

 15:56 <seb128> thanks mlankhorst

 15:56 <seb128> ok, next

 15:56 <seb128> #topic qengho

 15:56 <seb128> qengho, hey

 15:57 <seb128> no qengho?

 15:57 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark

 15:57 <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey

 15:57 <Sweet5hark> hey

 15:57 <Sweet5hark> - finished the round of Writer refactoring. gory details here: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/some-notes-on-SwClient-and-SwModify-td4144122.html

 15:57 <Sweet5hark> - doing politics at CeBIT

 15:57 <Sweet5hark> - looking into snappy now

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> - some high-pri updates on the horizon

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> EOF

 15:58 <seb128> Sweet5hark, what sort of politics? ;-)

 15:58 <Sweet5hark> seb128: not for public consumption yet. willcooke knows more ;)

 15:58 <seb128> k

 15:58 <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark

 15:59 <seb128> #topic happyaron

 15:59 <seb128> happyaron, here?

 15:59 <willcooke> seb128, they're at a meeting with NUDT

 15:59 <seb128> (I guess not since he didn't reply to pings earlier)

 15:59 <seb128> willcooke, thanks

 15:59 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey

 16:00 <seb128> no tkamppeter?

 16:00 <seb128> ok, my turn then?

 16:00 <seb128> #topic seb128

 16:00 <didrocks> seems so :)

 16:01 <seb128> • u-s-d battery info hotkey

 16:01 <seb128> ∘ fixed keybinding not working, vivid + SRU

 16:01 <seb128> • u-s-d vivid landing

 16:01 <seb128> ∘ including pending bugfixes

 16:01 <seb128> • u-s-d/compiz focus for windows started by keybindings

 16:01 <seb128> ∘ backported g-s-d patch to correctly focus windows displayed from media key bindings, needs unity change, discussed that with Trevinho and tested/confirmed that his patch makes u-s-d work

 16:01 <seb128> •  gnome-desktop fix for bg hidpi issue

 16:01 <seb128> ∘ discussed changes, tested fix (thanks larsu for taking over and fixing it properly!) and uploaded

 16:01 <seb128> • some reviews and landings of pending bugfixes (ido, o-s)

 16:01 <seb128> • developers.u.c, design guidelines and uitk

 16:01 <seb128> ∘ reported some more bugs (some with proposed changes) against

 16:01 <seb128> • click/unicode issues

 16:01 <seb128> ∘ hit some of those while trying to build a click with non ascii filename, looked a bit at the issue and report a bug

 16:01 <seb128> • review of vivid desktop status, tried current daily for desktop and desktop-next, looked at e.u.c top reports, some bug triaging

 16:01 <seb128> </week>

 16:02 <seb128> ok, next

 16:03 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell

 16:03 <seb128> Worked on:

 16:03 <seb128> - TPM PCR support

 16:03 <seb128> - More Indic font tidying up

 16:03 <seb128> - lightdm 1.14.0 release

 16:03 <seb128> - simple-scan 3.16.0 release

 16:03 <seb128> Currently working on:

 16:03 <seb128> - TPM

 16:03 <seb128> - Release critical fixes for 15.04

 16:03 <seb128> - X Mir / X handover

 16:03 <seb128> #topic TheMuso

 16:03 <seb128> * Finished implementing accessibility support for the scope icons at the bottom of the Unity 7 dash window, started working on improving accessibility of the filter settings.

 16:03 <seb128> * More installer accessibility testing.

 16:03 <seb128> #topic other topics

 16:03 <seb128> ok, any other topic? still no qengho or tkamppeter? did I forget anyone?

 16:04 <seb128> quick reminder about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule

 16:04 <seb128> we are in beta freeze now

 16:04 <seb128> still some weeks to polish and get vivid bugs fixed though

 16:05 <seb128> k, seems there are no other topics

 16:05 <seb128> thanks everyone

 16:05 <seb128> #endmeeting



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