15:32 <seb128> #startmeeting
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15:32 <seb128> #topic attente_
15:32 <seb128> attente_, hey
15:32 <mlankhorst> argh so close.. if I only knew why I would get black decoration for compiz..
15:32 <attente_> resolve im-config not running under unity 8
15:32 <attente_> figured out why gnome-tweak-tool is fixed with a new gtk... it fixes it because it breaks the thing (o-s) that breaks gnome-tweak-tool, ended up just applying the background change to a different widget, thanks Laney
15:32 <attente_> debug crasher in fcitx-qimpanel, merged upstream
15:32 <attente_> still trying to get ibus-ui-gtk working under mir, i have a rough idea why it's not working...
15:33 <attente_> oh right. Laney's off i guess
15:33 <seb128> he is
15:33 <seb128> let me know if you need sponsoring or something this week
15:33 <attente_> sure. maybe happyaron can do another upstream release of fcitx-qimpanel
15:34 <seb128> happyaron, ^ that would be good :-)
15:34 <seb128> attente_, did you see my msg earlier about u-c-c not listing any ibus options on a current vivid livecd session, is that expected?
15:34 <attente_> seb128: yeah, i just looked at that in a vm. it won't list anything that isn't already installed
15:35 <attente_> which i think was pretty much always the behaviour of u-c-c
15:35 <seb128> how are users supposed to add chinese to their inputs?
15:35 <attente_> so removing ibus-pinyin would mean that there's no ibus engines
15:35 <seb128> oh, right
15:35 <attente_> seb128: isn't that supposed to be through language-selector
15:35 <attente_> ?
15:35 <seb128> we declared that fcitx is what chinese users use
15:36 <seb128> so we replace ibus-pinying
15:36 <seb128> gotcha
15:36 <attente_> right
15:36 <seb128> attente_, thanks, that makes sense
15:36 <attente_> seb128: what's kind of bad is now we have ibus but it isn't really working from the image without any engines
15:36 <attente_> :/
15:36 <seb128> yeah, well before it was doing only chinese I guess?
15:37 <attente_> yeah
15:37 <attente_> that was always the behaviour of u-c-c. to only list the installed engines
15:37 <seb128> so not a big difference, most locales go through "install for their locales, get the ibus package, then be able to configure from your session"
15:37 <seb128> right
15:37 <seb128> installed systems should have the ibus support pulled through language-selector
15:37 <seb128> attente_, thanks
15:38 <attente_> seb128: thanks
15:38 <seb128> #topic desrt
15:38 <desrt> hey
15:38 <seb128> desrt, hey, not sure if you are able to join?
15:38 <desrt> finished the file monitor branch and landed that after we branched stable
15:38 <desrt> so we'll have faster file monitors not in vivid, but in W
15:38 <seb128> nice
15:38 <desrt> ironically, although it was supposed to fix crashes, it seems i messed up something on kqueue and the freebsd guys are screaming about crashes now
15:39 <desrt> so i'm gonna be looking into that
15:39 <desrt> also cleaned up and submitted the ghandle stuff for review.. probably that lands in the next week
15:39 <desrt> and releases, of course
15:39 <desrt> that's all
15:39 <desrt> other than lots of discussions about the cycle to come...
15:40 <seb128> any idea of what's coming next already?
15:40 <seb128> or still having ongoing discussions?
15:41 <desrt> lots of plumbing type fixups in glib
15:41 <desrt> not sure what's happening gtk-side in the next cycle
15:41 <desrt> but as usual we've been updating the roadmap
15:41 <desrt> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK%2B/Roadmap
15:41 <seb128> k
15:42 <seb128> desrt, anything else?
15:42 <desrt> nope
15:42 <seb128> desrt, thanks
15:42 <seb128> #topic didrocks
15:42 <seb128> didrocks, hey
15:42 <didrocks> hey
15:42 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
15:42 <didrocks> - as pip upstream is still discussing about the "right" solution to get pip install working as an user by default, added just a small patch I was waiting on for handling the sudo case: if pip runs as root, fallback to old system-wide behavior. That way, scripts using "sudo pip install" will still install system-wide python packages on vivid (we didn't get bug report, but I was expecting it will break
15:42 <didrocks> people's scripts).
15:42 <didrocks> systemd:
15:42 <didrocks> - continued to spend some time triaging the incoming systemd related (or not!) bugs.
15:42 <didrocks> - upstart wasn't starting anymore as a boot option. That was clear thanks to autopkgtests as well. Fix it by doing some package transitions (upstart -> upstart-sysv, upstart-bin -> upstart), involving autopkgtest, init-system-helpers, systemd, ubuntu-touch-meta and upstart (bug #1422681). The good news is that we didn't break any image build (neither Touch) once the transition was completed. \o/ For
15:42 <didrocks> your information, now: starting upstart by default is an "apt-get install upstart-sysv" away, and starting systemd by default is an "apt-get install systemd-sysv" away.
15:42 <didrocks> - helped the ubuntu core team on various systemd issues on upload (autopkgtests breaking: xorg, display manager not starting…)
15:42 <didrocks> - missing dbus machine-id issue fallbacking directly to systemd machine-id fixed.
15:42 <didrocks> Misc:
15:42 <ubot5> bug 1422681 in ubuntu-touch-meta (Ubuntu) "split out upstart-sysv" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422681
15:42 <didrocks> - couple of patches for snappy (go version) to get better shell completion and minor bug fix.
15:42 <didrocks> - more MIR process discussions.
15:42 <didrocks> ☘
15:42 <didrocks> (as Laney isn't around)
15:43 <mlankhorst> hm how can I make a screenshot from the command line? :P
15:43 <seb128> mlankhorst, using another device? ;-)
15:43 <mlankhorst> :/
15:44 <seb128> didrocks, thanks for stepping up for the weekly utf8 char :-)
15:44 <mheinke> mlankhorst: import -window root ~/Pictures/$(date '+%Y%m%d-%H%M%S').png
15:44 <didrocks> seb128: always ready for this! :)
15:44 <mheinke> might work
15:44 <seb128> didrocks, thanks
15:44 <mheinke> depends on your system reall
15:44 <mheinke> y
15:44 <seb128> #topic larsu
15:44 <mlankhorst> ok
15:44 <seb128> larsu, hey
15:45 <larsu> hi!
15:45 <larsu> I ventured into thin-scrollbar land this week
15:46 <larsu> turns out it's a gtk bug. Filed upstream today with a patch (some tricky sizing issues)
15:46 <larsu> also some theming that goes along with it
15:46 <larsu> tried making the spacing problem for the new decorations on headerbars o away, but it's too complex. Needs discussion  with upstream
15:47 <larsu> started looking into the nautilus sizing thing today
15:47 <larsu> fixed backgrounds in gnome-desktop
15:47 <larsu> (hidpi issues)
15:47 <larsu> started looking into doing the same for unity-greeter, but that has some comments about not using gnome-desktop in there
15:48 <larsu> and lots of open bugs about not supporting gradients, tiling, etc. Want to talk to robert before doing any work there
15:48 <larsu> maybe he already has a plan
15:48 <larsu> also the ususal code reviews etc.
15:48 <larsu> </larsu>
15:48 <seb128> larsu, thanks for helping on the hidpi issue
15:48 <larsu> sure
15:48 <larsu> was quite tricky
15:49 <seb128> I'm unsure why the greeter is not/doesn't want to use libgnome-desktop, I guess that's one for robert_ancell
15:49 <larsu> but I'm happy with the way it turned out
15:49 <seb128> me too :-)
15:49 <seb128> good job!
15:49 <seb128> it's in vivid and oem confirmed it works with ubiquity
15:49 <larsu> seb128: ya, I started hacking before realizing maybe I should talk to him first
15:49 <larsu> seb128: nice!
15:49 <seb128> maybe email is best with robert_ancell
15:49 <seb128> or get online after 10pm to catch him
15:50 <seb128> larsu, anything else?
15:50 <larsu> I don't think so :)
15:50 * larsu doesn't take good notes
15:50 <seb128> well, I think you already have quite some work in that summary, no worry if it lacks some details ;-)
15:51 <seb128> (that's why I usual add my "usual share of bugs & discussions" ;-)
15:51 <seb128> thanks larsu
15:51 <mlankhorst> bringing up ubuntu on the tegra with nouveau drivers!
15:51 <seb128> mlankhorst, hey, last meeting with us it seems :-(
15:52 <mlankhorst> the tegra K1 specifically, I tried to get a screenshot for this but it seems the hw doesn't like me right now :P
15:52 <mlankhorst> indeed, last meeting :)
15:53 <seb128> mlankhorst, good luck for your next adventures!
15:53 <seb128> it was nice to work with you
15:53 <mlankhorst> thanks for all the fish!
15:53 <seb128> I hope we still see you around and that you keep using Ubuntu :-)
15:53 <mlankhorst> I might, I still want to get ubuntu running on this!
15:53 <seb128> great ;-)
15:54 <attente_> o/
15:54 <mlankhorst> o/
15:54 <didrocks> see you mlankhorst, hope you will enjoy your next challenge :)
15:55 <mlankhorst> yeah :)
15:56 <seb128> thanks mlankhorst
15:56 <seb128> ok, next
15:56 <seb128> #topic qengho
15:56 <seb128> qengho, hey
15:57 <seb128> no qengho?
15:57 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
15:57 <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
15:57 <Sweet5hark> hey
15:57 <Sweet5hark> - finished the round of Writer refactoring. gory details here: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/some-notes-on-SwClient-and-SwModify-td4144122.html
15:57 <Sweet5hark> - doing politics at CeBIT
15:57 <Sweet5hark> - looking into snappy now
15:58 <Sweet5hark> - some high-pri updates on the horizon
15:58 <Sweet5hark> EOF
15:58 <seb128> Sweet5hark, what sort of politics? ;-)
15:58 <Sweet5hark> seb128: not for public consumption yet. willcooke knows more ;)
15:58 <seb128> k
15:58 <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark
15:59 <seb128> #topic happyaron
15:59 <seb128> happyaron, here?
15:59 <willcooke> seb128, they're at a meeting with NUDT
15:59 <seb128> (I guess not since he didn't reply to pings earlier)
15:59 <seb128> willcooke, thanks
15:59 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
16:00 <seb128> no tkamppeter?
16:00 <seb128> ok, my turn then?
16:00 <seb128> #topic seb128
16:00 <didrocks> seems so :)
16:01 <seb128> • u-s-d battery info hotkey
16:01 <seb128> ∘ fixed keybinding not working, vivid + SRU
16:01 <seb128> • u-s-d vivid landing
16:01 <seb128> ∘ including pending bugfixes
16:01 <seb128> • u-s-d/compiz focus for windows started by keybindings
16:01 <seb128> ∘ backported g-s-d patch to correctly focus windows displayed from media key bindings, needs unity change, discussed that with Trevinho and tested/confirmed that his patch makes u-s-d work
16:01 <seb128> •  gnome-desktop fix for bg hidpi issue
16:01 <seb128> ∘ discussed changes, tested fix (thanks larsu for taking over and fixing it properly!) and uploaded
16:01 <seb128> • some reviews and landings of pending bugfixes (ido, o-s)
16:01 <seb128> • developers.u.c, design guidelines and uitk
16:01 <seb128> ∘ reported some more bugs (some with proposed changes) against
16:01 <seb128> • click/unicode issues
16:01 <seb128> ∘ hit some of those while trying to build a click with non ascii filename, looked a bit at the issue and report a bug
16:01 <seb128> • review of vivid desktop status, tried current daily for desktop and desktop-next, looked at e.u.c top reports, some bug triaging
16:01 <seb128> </week>
16:02 <seb128> ok, next
16:03 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
16:03 <seb128> Worked on:
16:03 <seb128> - TPM PCR support
16:03 <seb128> - More Indic font tidying up
16:03 <seb128> - lightdm 1.14.0 release
16:03 <seb128> - simple-scan 3.16.0 release
16:03 <seb128> Currently working on:
16:03 <seb128> - TPM
16:03 <seb128> - Release critical fixes for 15.04
16:03 <seb128> - X Mir / X handover
16:03 <seb128> #topic TheMuso
16:03 <seb128> * Finished implementing accessibility support for the scope icons at the bottom of the Unity 7 dash window, started working on improving accessibility of the filter settings.
16:03 <seb128> * More installer accessibility testing.
16:03 <seb128> #topic other topics
16:03 <seb128> ok, any other topic? still no qengho or tkamppeter? did I forget anyone?
16:04 <seb128> quick reminder about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
16:04 <seb128> we are in beta freeze now
16:04 <seb128> still some weeks to polish and get vivid bugs fixed though
16:05 <seb128> k, seems there are no other topics
16:05 <seb128> thanks everyone
16:05 <seb128> #endmeeting