== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop Meeting, 03 Mar at 15:31 — 16:24 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-03-03-15.31.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== attente ===
The discussion about "attente" started at 15:32.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:34.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 15:37.


=== mlankhorst ===
The discussion about "mlankhorst" started at 15:41.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:44.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:47.

  * ''LINK:'' https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gdesktopappinfo.c#n2473 

=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:53.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 16:02.


=== Sweet5hark ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark" started at 16:04.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 16:07.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 16:08.


=== happyaron ===
The discussion about "happyaron" started at 16:09.


=== FJKong ===
The discussion about "FJKong" started at 16:13.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 16:15.


=== FJKong ===
The discussion about "FJKong" started at 16:18.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 16:20.


=== other topics ===
The discussion about "other topics" started at 16:22.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (111)
 * larsu (52)
 * desrt (41)
 * Laney (28)
 * didrocks (22)
 * Sweet5hark (15)
 * ogra_ (11)
 * mlankhorst (10)
 * dgadomski (8)
 * attente_ (6)
 * tkamppeter (6)
 * happyaron (5)
 * qengho (4)
 * flexiondotorg (3)
 * meetingology (3)
 * ubot5 (2)
 * FJKong (2)



== Full Log ==


 15:31 <seb128> #startmeeting

 15:31 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar  3 15:31:54 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:31 <meetingology> 

 15:31 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:32 <seb128> let's get started

 15:32 <seb128> #topic attente

 15:32 <seb128> attente_, hey

 15:32 <attente_> hi

 15:32 <attente_> finished porting fcitx-qimpanel to Qt 5, so fcitx should work once we have all required qtmir support

 15:32 <attente_> next up: ibus investigation

 15:33 <seb128> nice

 15:33 <attente_> the port is proposed upstream

 15:33 <seb128> did you get the fcitx u-s-d/u-c-c/indicator ffe?

 15:33 <attente_> no, i'm not sure who to ping for that, the ffe is there, i just resubscribed ubuntu-release

 15:34 <seb128> k, let's wait a bit, otherwise Laney might be able to help you?

 15:34 <seb128> thanks attente_

 15:34 <attente_> sure

 15:34 <Laney> didn't see any mail about it, maybe do something to generate one

 15:34 <seb128> #topic desrt

 15:34 <seb128> desrt, hey

 15:34 <desrt> hi

 15:34 <desrt> did really a lot of cleaning up on bugs and reviewing patches in the past weeks

 15:34 <desrt> rejected lots of stuff =)

 15:35 <desrt> also finally did the long-requested split of dconf and dconf-editor

 15:35 <desrt> made releases on both of those yesterday, along with a new glib release

 15:35 <desrt> landed my mount-monitor rework branch yesterday, moving on to rebasing the filemonitor cleanup work next, hopefully can land that son

 15:35 <desrt> *soon

 15:36 <desrt> at the same time, looking into a11y issues -- atspi is being started even when it has no reason to be, and i want to stop that from happening

 15:36 <desrt> also: i'm sick (again/still?) >:|

 15:36 <desrt> the end.

 15:37 <seb128> desrt, thanks, and get better!

 15:37 <seb128> #topic dgadomski

 15:37 <seb128> dgadomski, hey

 15:37 <dgadomski> hey guys

 15:38 <dgadomski> I've written to the desktop mailing list today about the nautlius mount options we discussed last week

 15:38 <dgadomski> I would appreciate any hints regarding this

 15:38 <seb128> dgadomski, you just sent the email today, let's wait a bit

 15:38 <dgadomski> sure

 15:38 <dgadomski> and that's pretty much it in the desktop are this week from me

 15:38 <seb128> but I expect the topic is complex enough that we are going to need upstream involvement

 15:38 <seb128> I don't see that being handled in a distro specific hack

 15:39 <ogra_> why would nautilus be involved at all ?

 15:39 <dgadomski> I agree, it would surely be useful for other distros as well

 15:39 <ogra_> isnt it just calling udisks2 ?

 15:39 <ogra_> (which doesnt allow any mount options unless you create custom udev rules)

 15:40 <seb128> ogra_, they want an UI to change the options

 15:40 <ogra_> right, that would mean hacking udisks2 first

 15:40 <seb128> ogra_, could be in nautilus properties for the drive

 15:40 <ogra_> to actually accept options

 15:40 <seb128> right

 15:40 <seb128> which is why I said it's not likely that we handle it on our side alone

 15:40 <ogra_> yeah

 15:40 <seb128> dgadomski, anything else?

 15:41 <dgadomski> I was expecting it to be pretty complex

 15:41 <dgadomski> seb128: no, that's it, thanks

 15:41 <seb128> dgadomski, k, let's see how the list discussion goes then

 15:41 <seb128> dgadomski, thanks

 15:41 <seb128> #topic mlankhorst

 15:41 <mlankhorst> - Adding cursor support to Xmir, works with mir_demo_server and lp:mir-team/mir/animated-cursors

 15:41 <seb128> mlankhorst asked to go next

 15:41 <mlankhorst> - Uploading mesa 10.5-rc2 and rc3 to archive

 15:41 <mlankhorst> - Remotely debugging root cause of https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90741

 15:41 <ubot5> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 90741 in Video(DRI - non Intel) "Radeon: System pauses on TAHITI" [Normal,New]

 15:41 <mlankhorst> - Getting Xmir in shape for the mwc demo with tons of last minute fixes!

 15:41 <seb128> mlankhorst, great work there!

 15:41 <mlankhorst> - Leaving for intel, last day is thursday 26th :)

 15:42 <mlankhorst> ty :)

 15:42 <seb128> mlankhorst, it was nice to have you in the team! Good luck at Intel, have fun there :-)

 15:42 <mlankhorst> thanks

 15:42 <mlankhorst> it was a blast :)

 15:42 <ogra_> teach them that mir is ood :)

 15:42 <didrocks> good luck with your new adventure mlankhorst :)

 15:42 <ogra_> *good ... sih

 15:43 <ogra_> *sigh even

 15:43 <seb128> ogra_, nice typo :-)

 15:43 <ogra_> haha

 15:43 <larsu> ogra_: I read it as 'odd'

 15:43 <ogra_> i need a new kbd :)

 15:43 <mlankhorst> will doo

 15:43 <Laney> oh bye!

 15:44 <mlankhorst> bb

 15:44 <Laney> that's both people who started at the same time as me ...

 15:44 <seb128> Laney, don't be next!

 15:44 <seb128> mlankhorst, thanks

 15:44 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:44 <seb128> didrocks, hey :-)

 15:45 <didrocks> oh, I was ready to complain about being forgotten :)

 15:45 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:

 15:45 <didrocks> - did some bug triaging and minor enhancements based on users' feedback

 15:45 <didrocks> Systemd:

 15:45 <didrocks> - patched and uploaded all ubuntu flavors plymouth themes to be compatible with progress report and cancellation of systemd-fsckd (gnome ubuntu, ubuntu MATE, kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu studio). We have different kind of themes (no unified versions :/) btw…

 15:45 <didrocks> - patched 2 of the default plymouth themes (one script and one C plugin) and posted that to the upstream mailing list. Waiting on feedback

 15:45 <didrocks> - some debian discussions about… plymouth and fsckd!

 15:45 <didrocks> - worked on autopkgtests for fsckd as well, commited now. It brings some new best practices to have autopkgtests tests with multiple reboots inside the tests themselves (and still using unittests python frameworks. Ensure that even if we kill fsck or any systemd/plymouth process, we can still boot successfully.

 15:45 <didrocks> Misc:

 15:45 <didrocks> - sponsoring and archive admin duties

 15:45 <didrocks> .

 15:47 <seb128> didrocks, sorry, mlankhorst asked if he could go next

 15:47 <didrocks> no worry ;)

 15:47 <seb128> didrocks, thanks

 15:47 <didrocks> yw

 15:47 <seb128> #topic Laney

 15:48 <seb128> Laney, hey

 15:48 <Laney> LEAVE FOR INTEL HAHAHA

 15:48 <Laney> erm

 15:48 <Laney> • Release: wrangle beta 1 (block, unblocks, freeze, ISO wrangling, some sponsoring), some FFe reviews, get pinged by IS about low space on the image building machine - clear some stuff out

 15:48 <Laney> • Patch pilot

 15:48 <Laney> • DMB: finish election, try to poke on outstanding issues, some packageset poking

 15:48 <Laney> • Some gst components got 1.4.5, update those

 15:48 <Laney> • Integrate the wrapper into gnome-terminal packaging, upload to desktop PPA, plz to test

 15:48 <Laney> • Review & then cherry-pick a fix from Kylin guys to file-roller

 15:48 <Laney> • Find out that gdk-pixbuf broke introspection ABI, revert commit, try to look at adding an (alias) annotation to g-i, get stuck & park that for now

 15:48 <Laney> • Revert python2.7 commit which broke python-gobject-2 (old static bindings)

 15:48 <Laney> • Updates: librsvg, glib2.0 (in progress)

 15:48 <Laney> • Attempt some debugging of systemd not powering off machine issue, not much progress (LP: #1427672)

 15:48 <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1427672 in systemd (Ubuntu) "System doesn't power off when shutting down" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427672

 15:48 <Laney> ♒

 15:48 <larsu> Laney: thanks for the terminal wrapper!

 15:48 <desrt> Laney: does that mean we actually have two gnome-terminal wrappers now? :)

 15:49 <larsu> what's the other one?`

 15:49 <Laney> haha

 15:49 <Laney> I noticed some gnome-terminal.wrap thing

 15:49 <desrt> the one for matching the commandline args of x-terminal-emulator

 15:49 <didrocks> Laney: on the not powering down, you don't have squid install on your machine by any chance?

 15:49 * larsu is amazed

 15:49 <seb128> didrocks, I don't and I have the issue still

 15:49 <Laney> it's like pass the parcel

 15:49 <Laney> didrocks: doubt it

 15:49 <desrt> Laney: fwiw, there is some request upstream to prefer x-terminal-emulator before gnome-terminal on debian systems....

 15:49 <didrocks> for me, that really "fixed" it

 15:50 <desrt> Laney: i said that if debian wants to do that patch then they should do it, but we won't change the behaviour upstream (since it's very distro-specific)

 15:50 <Laney> prefer where?

 15:50 <seb128> didrocks, was that an issue in the squid unit?

 15:50 <desrt> Laney: when launching desktop files that have RunInTerminal=true (or whatever it is)

 15:50 <desrt> from GIO

 15:50 <Laney> oh right, yeah, whatever

 15:50 <Laney> might want to do that I guess

 15:50 <didrocks> seb128: the init script, yeah, I need to now debug and fix it, but there are more urgent things

 15:50 <desrt> that's sort of my attitude about it as well :)

 15:50 <seb128> didrocks, k, maybe other scripts have similar bugs...

 15:50 <desrt> debian alternatives are a bit crap imho

 15:51 <larsu> desrt: gio hard-codes gnome-terminal?

 15:51 <Laney> how does this thing work now?

 15:51 <desrt> it has a list of terminals that it tries in order

 15:51 <didrocks> seb128: can be… will keep you posted

 15:51 <seb128> didrocks, thanks

 15:51 <larsu> desrt: madness..

 15:51 <desrt> https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gdesktopappinfo.c#n2473

 15:51 <Laney> it's annoying having to remember to shut the computer down in a special way every day :-)

 15:52 <desrt> the request was to put x-terminal-emulator at the top of this list, as it naturally represents the user's preferred choice

 15:52 <desrt> ignore that this is only true if user == admin, on a one-user system...

 15:52 <larsu> desrt: don't we have some xdg-XXX thing for that?

 15:52 <desrt> nope

 15:52 <larsu> maybe we ought to

 15:52 <desrt> it's been the topic of speculation that we could make some weird terminal URI scheme

 15:52 <desrt> and then shoehorn that into our weird URI scheme pseduo-mimetypes

 15:52 <seb128> larsu, desrt, Laney, that discussion seems like something you can continue after the meeting if you want

 15:53 <desrt> seb128: indeed

 15:53 <larsu> indeed

 15:53 <seb128> Laney, thanks

 15:53 <seb128> #topic larsu

 15:53 <seb128> larsu, your turn then :-)

 15:53 <larsu> hey

 15:53 <larsu> lots of discussion about headerbars, traditional menubars, etc

 15:53 <larsu> looked at some patches for gnome apps

 15:53 <larsu> (didn't like what I saw in general)

 15:54 <desrt> larsu: you should probably just skip that topic update.  we already know it happens every week ;)

 15:54 <Laney> "Headerbars."

 15:54 <larsu> right

 15:54 <larsu> so... bluetooth!

 15:54 <desrt> fresh blood...

 15:54 <larsu> turns out we don't like the new ui and changing it subtly doesn't really work (needs more design thinking)

 15:55 <larsu> so I imported a gnome-bluetooth version that does what we want into u-c-c

 15:55 <larsu> uploaded the branch today

 15:55 <larsu> it's hacky, I hate it, but it works

 15:55 <larsu> (did I mention I hate it?)

 15:55 <didrocks> "but it works" :)

 15:55 <desrt> larsu: thanks for working on bluetooth :)

 15:55 <larsu> indeed

 15:55 <larsu> desrt: meh

 15:55 <desrt> bluetooth is freaking awesome

 15:55 <seb128> it works which is the important bit :-)

 15:55 <larsu> desrt: would rather take some time doing it right

 15:55 <larsu> seb128: indeed :)

 15:55 <desrt> more people would use it if we gave our UIs for it a bit more love...

 15:56 <larsu> lastly, I ported gnome-terminal to use GMenuModel for its menubar

 15:56 <didrocks> as desrt is a bluetooth freak, would be nice to have you testing some config with our ppa if possible :)

 15:56 <larsu> which means (a) it doesn't need unity-gtk-module anymore

 15:56 <didrocks> I guess you are the one here using bluetooth a lot compared to us

 15:56 <larsu> (b) we can get rid of that pesky "show menubar" option

 15:56 <desrt> i mostly just use it for going online with my phone

 15:57 <desrt> larsu: gnome-terminal has a menubar? ;)

 15:57 <larsu> it's not going to land in 3.16 (too big of a patch)

 15:57 <larsu> desrt: :P

 15:57 <desrt> larsu: is chpe playing nice?

 15:57 <larsu> we should think about backporting it

 15:57 <larsu> desrt: no.

 15:57 <larsu> no surprise there

 15:57 <desrt> too bad...

 15:57 <larsu> ya...

 15:58 <larsu> anyway, like I said, we could backport. Not sure if it is worth it

 15:58 <seb128> larsu, didrocks, let me know when the new u-c-c is in a ppa for testing, I can try it

 15:59 <larsu> sure

 15:59 <seb128> thanks

 15:59 <larsu> I also started hacking on headerbars

 15:59 <larsu> (again)

 15:59 <larsu> making the buttons look like our window controls

 15:59 <seb128> ah, nice

 15:59 <larsu> making good progress - just a few details to iron out

 15:59 <seb128> great

 15:59 <desrt> are we talking theme refresh?  we should be talking theme refresh....

 15:59 <larsu> I'm drawing the backgrounds with gtk css

 15:59 <Laney> theme refresh is on the cards for 15.10

 16:00 <larsu> which means they're very slightly different looking

 16:00 <Laney> last I heard

 16:00 <larsu> but I think that's ok

 16:00 <desrt> Laney: good...

 16:00 <larsu> and: we don't need to copy all of those pngs to yet another place

 16:00 <desrt> larsu: might want to get hooked into whoever is driving that

 16:00 <seb128> larsu, slightly different is ok I think, we are not going to have perfect consistancy anyway

 16:00 <larsu> seb128: I agree. And those are quite some .pngs (all buttons times all states)

 16:00 <seb128> right

 16:00 <desrt> in addition to getting sneak-peek at the new resources, maybe you could help drive the process in a way that makes consistency with headerbar apps a bit nicer

 16:00 <larsu> and we get nice transitions now, but I haven't added those yet

 16:01 <larsu> desrt: driving what?

 16:01 <desrt> the next-cycle theme refresh

 16:01 <desrt> ie: make sure they're aware of the constraints for headerbars and produce something that will be compatible with them

 16:01 <larsu> yeah that makes sense

 16:01 <larsu> I don't know who'll be doing that

 16:02 <larsu> anyway, </larsu>

 16:02 <seb128> larsu, thanks

 16:02 <seb128> #topic qengho

 16:02 <seb128> qengho, hey

 16:03 <seb128> no qengho?

 16:04 <seb128> k, next then

 16:04 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark

 16:04 <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> heya

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> - slow week

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> - got LibreOffice to build on arm64

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> -- needs MIRs though (at least for coinmp, possibly also for libetonyek), so not for vivid anymore

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> - working on getting LibreOffice to build on ppc64el

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> -- got pretty far, same: some patches, possibly some MIRs, thus shouldnt be slammed into vivid unless there an urgent need

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> - various upstream tidbits: some event orga, some budget foo etc.

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> - some bug tracker grind

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> - 4.4.1 in the PPA looks good, will finalize it for vivid-proposed this week

 16:04 <Sweet5hark> EOF

 16:04 <qengho> I'm here!

 16:05 <seb128> Sweet5hark, slow but steady? ;-)

 16:05 <seb128> Sweet5hark, I guess you saw the email from doko?

 16:05 <Sweet5hark> qengho: shh, i stole your slot in the cookie queue ...;)

 16:05 <seb128> about builders use for arm64&co?

 16:05 <Sweet5hark> seb128: yesh

 16:05 <seb128> k

 16:05 <seb128> would be nice to reply

 16:05 <flexiondotorg> Laney, Do you have a sec/

 16:05 <flexiondotorg> ?

 16:05 <seb128> (or did you talk to him out of the email?

 16:05 <seb128> flexiondotorg, we are in a meeting

 16:06 <flexiondotorg> ack

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> seb128: it started out with "just one try" and then when down in a civilization game "just one more turn fashion" :/

 16:06 <seb128> hehe, I know the feeling :-)

 16:07 <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks

 16:07 <seb128> let's go back to qengho then

 16:07 <Sweet5hark> seb128: anyway: using a porterbox now

 16:07 <seb128> Sweet5hark, great

 16:07 <seb128> #topic qengho

 16:07 <qengho> - looking into reason GPU-threads in chromium lag long enough that the internal heartbeat monitor thinks they're dead. Extended the time for now. Added apport info so we can collate bug reports better. (Also fixed an apport bug that has made Py3 never work for some..)

 16:07 <qengho> - releasing Cr 40.0.2214.115 tomorrow.

 16:07 <qengho> EOF

 16:07 <seb128> qengho, thanks

 16:07 <seb128> let's see what comes out of those changes, that bug is annoying for sure

 16:08 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 16:08 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey

 16:09 <seb128> no tkamppeter I guess

 16:09 <seb128> #topic happyaron

 16:09 <seb128> happyaron, not sure if you are around?

 16:10 <happyaron> yes

 16:10 <seb128> happyaron, your turn then :-)

 16:11 <happyaron> last week I worked on some arm64 cross compile stuff for NUDT project as well as the sogou project

 16:11 <happyaron> mostly about setting up cross toolchains, helping them producing related packages

 16:11 <happyaron> </>

 16:12 <happyaron> over, :)

 16:12 <seb128> happyaron, thanks

 16:13 <seb128> #topic FJKong

 16:13 <seb128> FJKong, hey, around?

 16:13 <tkamppeter> hi

 16:15 <seb128> no FJKong I guess?

 16:15 <seb128> back to tkamppeter then

 16:15 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 16:15 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey

 16:15 <FJKong> seb128: coming..

 16:15 <tkamppeter> Mainly bug work, releasec cups-filters 1.0.66 with a security fix.

 16:16 <tkamppeter> Got Google's result for GSoC participation, this year Google did not accept the Linux Foundation, after so many years where my application got accepted.

 16:16 <tkamppeter> Also some organizational work for the OpenPrinting Summit.

 16:16 <seb128> tkamppeter, :-( for the linux foundation GSoC

 16:17 <larsu> mozilla also didn't get accepted this year

 16:17 <larsu> I wonder if they changed some of the rules?

 16:18 <tkamppeter> Perhaps there are many more orgs applying than in the previous years?

 16:18 <seb128> do they want to encourage new/small projects maybe, rather than fund projects backed up by quite some funding?

 16:18 <larsu> might be

 16:18 <seb128> anyway

 16:18 <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks

 16:18 <seb128> #topic FJKong

 16:18 <seb128> FJKong, ok, your turn :-)

 16:19 <FJKong> hey seb128 not much to update this time

 16:19 <tkamppeter> It is not a high loss for me, usually for OpenPrinting there come up only one or two students anyway, for LSB or kernel it is worse.

 16:20 <seb128> tkamppeter, k

 16:20 <seb128> FJKong, k, maybe next week then :-)

 16:20 <seb128> #topic seb128

 16:20 <seb128> then my turn

 16:20 <seb128> • looked at non translated gallery strings, was due to an outdated template, submitted update

 16:20 <seb128> • SRUed libpwquality translation fixes to trusty and utopic

 16:20 <seb128> • nautilus bugfix SRU to trusty

 16:20 <seb128> • spent quite some time to play with the ubuntu-touch dev experience (from installing the toolkit to write and publish an application), things are mostly working nicely, hit a few annoying issues on the way though (most due to specifics in my setup like ecryptfs use), reported some bugs against the documentation and tools

 16:20 <seb128> • reported some phone issues (gvariant warnings, store details issues, here map not showing info where it should, ...) and providing debug info

 16:20 <seb128> • ubuntus-system-setting

 16:20 <seb128> ∘ bluetooth, debugged car-pairing issue, figured out the problem and discussed a solution with cyphermox, tested/confirmed the fix

 16:20 <seb128> ∘ bluetooth, fixed a segfault issue

 16:20 <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions

 16:20 <seb128> </week>

 16:21 <Sweet5hark> FWIW, LibreOffice won a GSOC spot again this year.

 16:22 <seb128> #topic other topics

 16:22 <seb128> do we have any other topic this week?

 16:22 <seb128> (or did I forget anyone?)

 16:24 <seb128> k, seems not

 16:24 <seb128> thanks everyone

 16:24 <didrocks> thanks guys!

 16:24 <seb128> #endmeeting



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