== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop Meeting, 24 Feb at 15:30 — 16:14 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-02-24-15.30.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== attente_ ===
The discussion about "attente_" started at 15:32.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:38.


=== dgadomski ===
The discussion about "dgadomski" started at 15:40.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:46.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:50.


=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:54.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 16:03.


=== Sweet5hark1 ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark1" started at 16:04.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 16:06.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 16:08.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 16:09.


=== Themuso ===
The discussion about "Themuso" started at 16:09.


=== other topics? ===
The discussion about "other topics?" started at 16:10.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (99)
 * didrocks (34)
 * Laney (30)
 * larsu (24)
 * attente_ (15)
 * dgadomski (12)
 * qengho (9)
 * Sweet5hark1 (7)
 * meetingology (3)
 * jibel (3)
 * ubot5 (2)
 * tkamppeter (2)



== Full Log ==


 15:30 <seb128> #startmeeting

 15:30 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 24 15:30:42 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:30 <meetingology> 

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 15:31 <didrocks> hey!

 15:31 <Laney> seb128 is chairing?

 15:31 <qengho> I think will is won't.

 15:31 <seb128> attente_, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, Laney, larsu, qengho, Sweet5hark1, tkamppeter, hey

 15:32 <seb128> Laney, yes, willcook is busy fighting n7 and demo work

 15:32 <seb128> let's get started then

 15:32 <dgadomski> hey o/

 15:32 <seb128> #topic attente_

 15:32 <seb128> hey attente_

 15:32 <attente_> hi guys

 15:32 <attente_> not much

 15:32 <attente_> cleaned up indicator-keyboard fcitx-transition MP

 15:32 <attente_> continue porting fcitx-qimpanel to Qt 5

 15:33 <seb128> what is that needed?

 15:33 <seb128> so it can run under mir?

 15:33 <attente_> yeah, but i'm not even sure if porting to qt 5 will make it work

 15:34 <seb128> sorry about the fcitx transition, it's still on my todolist, I'm going to put that in a ppa, likley tomorrow

 15:34 <attente_> no problem

 15:34 <seb128> is ibus having qt5 support?

 15:34 <seb128> or why do we prefer to work on fcitx things?

 15:34 <attente_> ibus doesn't seem to work at all in the demo shell

 15:35 <attente_> at least fcitx allows for text input

 15:35 <attente_> but the problem is that the candidate window that fcitx-qimpanel provides is qt 4

 15:35 <attente_> so it isn't working with mir at all

 15:35 <seb128> k

 15:36 <seb128> good luck with that

 15:36 <attente_> this might all be a waste of time tbh...

 15:36 <seb128> oh, can you ask a ffe for the fcitx landing?

 15:36 <seb128> we missing feature freeze, sorry about that :-/

 15:36 <attente_> seb128: sure, there's actually an old one from last cycle :/

 15:36 <seb128> good, less work :-)

 15:36 <seb128> about fcitx, I wouldn't spend too much effort on that

 15:37 <seb128> for what we know we might still prefer ibus and investigating why it's not working might be a better use of ressources

 15:37 <attente_> ok, i can look into that

 15:38 <seb128> thanks attente_

 15:38 <seb128> #topic desrt

 15:38 <seb128> desrt, hey

 15:38 <attente_> isn't desrt in florida?

 15:39 <seb128> could be, I'm not aware of that, but I didn't see him online so let's assume you are right :-)

 15:39 <seb128> holidays or conference?

 15:40 <seb128> let's keep moving in the list then

 15:40 <seb128> #topic dgadomski

 15:40 <seb128> dgadomski, hey

 15:40 <dgadomski> hello guys

 15:40 <dgadomski> I would appreciate your opinion regarding 2 issues:

 15:40 <dgadomski> I wondering about status of bug #445333. Was there any regression reported for Vivid? Are there any chances of backporting this further to Utopic (although Trusty is the target I actually care about)?

 15:40 <ubot5> bug 445333 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu Trusty) "remember password on printing to windows printers does not work" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445333

 15:41 <seb128> I guess we could do that yes

 15:41 <seb128> I'm adding it to my list if some other pilots doesn't beat me to it

 15:42 <dgadomski> great, thanks

 15:42 <seb128> seems like most reviewers skip over it

 15:42 <seb128> yw

 15:42 <dgadomski> The other topic is a bit more complicated

 15:42 <dgadomski> One of the users (who extensively uses ACL) mounts samba shares using nautilus. Unfortunately it mounts them without needed options (user_xattr,acl). There is an upstream bug regarding this (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585423), but it seems abandoned due to an overcomplicated GUI. Was this subject ever discussed? I was thinking about a simpler approach: e.g. providing smb mount options via an env variable for all smb share

 15:42 <dgadomski> d.

 15:42 <ubot5> Gnome bug 585423 in general "per-mount options" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]

 15:43 <dgadomski> Do you think the env-based approach could be of any use in other scenarios?

 15:44 <jibel> sil2100, there are some bad bugs, like no second SIM (fix in progress) no keyboard on 1st boot, problems with indicators and notifications, the launcher, the clock, ...

 15:44 <jibel> I didn't review everything in detail

 15:44 <seb128> jibel, we are in a meeting, can you use another channel please?

 15:45 <seb128> dgadomski, I don't have an opinion on that, seems a bit complex for the meeting, maybe you can email the desktop list about that one?

 15:45 <attente_> what about adding like a gsettings key or something?

 15:45 <jibel> seb128, ah sorry, wrong channel, it was not meant for this one.

 15:45 <seb128> jibel, no worry

 15:45 <dgadomski> attente_: could also be a good idea

 15:46 <dgadomski> seb128: agree, let's move that to the list

 15:46 <dgadomski> that's all from me today, thanks

 15:46 <seb128> thanks dgadomski

 15:46 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:46 <seb128> didrocks, hey

 15:46 <didrocks> hey!

 15:46 <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:

 15:46 <didrocks> - released ubuntu Make 0.6 adding 5 new platforms (entirely backed by community): rubymine, pycharm educational, pycharm pro, webstorm, phpstorm. Also add zsh support: http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Ubuntu-Make-community-releases-0.6-with-5-new-supported-platforms

 15:46 <didrocks> - dove back in the daily tests which were disabled since CI moved their infra in December. As no answer from the team, got back up the VMs myself, change the jenkins jobs from udtc -> ubuntu make and rerun the tests. Took new snapshots to reduce vms update time from 40 minutes to 5 minutes. Good news is that only one tests over the ~340, only one was failing, and it was a (minor) real issue. Fixed now

 15:46 <didrocks> in trunk!

 15:46 <didrocks> Bluez 5:

 15:46 <didrocks> - talked to the phonefoundation team about the Touch side, still in progress, but couldn't get any ETA. @willcooke: do you mind getting that up on manager's level maybe to get some details and know if it's still doable for vivid's timeframe (with a FFe)?

 15:46 <didrocks> Systemd:

 15:46 <didrocks> - the fsckd patch is finally applied upstream! Talked to debian: next step would be to get at least default themes supporting systemd fsck + the debian one. I will handle this. Also, will need to update various ubuntu flavors plymouth themes (as it's based on the ubuntu one, should be easy).

 15:46 <didrocks> - spent 2 days bisecting/debugging/chasing with Martin the boot issue that seb128 and laney experienced first with systemd 219. The commit is now reverted.

 15:46 <didrocks> Misc:

 15:47 <didrocks> - a lot (but fractionated in time) of patch piloting/sponsoring

 15:47 <didrocks> - archive admin duties

 15:47 <didrocks> .

 15:48 <seb128> didrocks, thanks, good work on ubuntu make, and sorry about the systemd thing and trying to blame it on your fsck changes :-)

 15:48 <didrocks> you were not alone to try that!

 15:48 <seb128> hehe

 15:48 <didrocks> happy it wasn't it though :p

 15:49 <seb128> didrocks, @bluez5 doesn't really seem totally ready on our side as well, but let's maybe discuss that off meeting (UI issues still, desktop seems not visible here, some bugs that might still be to hit)

 15:50 <seb128> thanks didrocks

 15:50 <didrocks> seb128: sure, yw! :)

 15:50 <seb128> #topic Laney

 15:50 <seb128> hey Laney

 15:50 <Laney> • Package updates

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ New totem, drops totem-mozilla, poke grilo split too. Thanks Noskcaj and darkxst!

 15:50 <Laney> ‣ Noticed that HLS (HTTP live streaming) doesn't work great in totem or rb, works fine using vanilla gstreamer so probably a bug there, will investigate more

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ glib2.0

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ evo+eds+friends

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ librsvg

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ gtk+2.0

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ working on gdk-pixbuf atm, testsuite issues to fix

 15:50 <Laney> • u-s-s: Fix storage page, some other minor changes I saw while in the area

 15:50 <Laney> • Get involved with the systemd boot regression fun, probably didn't help that much :). Also initial prodding at system-never-powering-off, didn't get far yet because the debug shell isn't available when it's in that state.

 15:50 <Laney> • DMB

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ CIVS went down in the middle of the election, argh, poke about that

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ Wrangle packageset script a bit in response to a Xubuntu request

 15:50 <Laney> • Release

 15:50 <Laney> ∘ Beta 1 preparation (set up ISO tracker, wrangle initial image builds, some mentoring, fix a problem with MATE images)

 15:51 <Laney> ∘ Review britney changes for cjwatson to enable proposed-migration for stable releases

 15:51 <Laney> ➠

 15:51 <qengho> CIVS?

 15:51 <Laney> condorcet internet voting service

 15:51 <didrocks> Laney: but votes were not lost?

 15:51 <Laney> not to my knowledge

 15:54 <seb128> thanks Laney

 15:54 <Laney> yw

 15:54 <seb128> #topic larsu

 15:54 <seb128> larsu, hey

 15:54 <larsu> hi

 15:55 <larsu> I did mostly the bluez5 conversion and hit a few problems

 15:55 <larsu> as discussed this morning

 15:55 <larsu> major issue is that lots of UI is missing and I think that if we change it, we should have design

 15:56 <larsu> a possible way around that is to import gnome-bluetooth into u-c-c before it lost the wizard but after it gained bluez5 support

 15:56 <larsu> (should be possible, but haven't fully looked into it yet)

 15:56 <seb128> right

 15:56 <larsu> I also did some indicator bug triage and reviews this week

 15:56 <larsu> also uitk icon theme issues again

 15:57 <larsu> (rectangular icons \o/)

 15:57 <larsu> also looked into gnome-terminal's menu weirdness in unity (prompted by a bug about the set-app-id stuff)

 15:57 <larsu> maybe we should just drop the whole "show menubar" ui, as that doesn't make sense on unity

 15:58 <larsu> </larsu>, I think

 15:58 <seb128> larsu, thanks

 15:58 * larsu would appreciate input on the bluez5 issue

 15:58 <didrocks> larsu: on bluez5: how is GNOME handling the missing UI bits? they are part of the shell?

 15:58 <seb128> I'm unsure what to do

 15:58 <Laney> maybe key that on gtk-shell-shows-menubar or something

 15:58 <larsu> Laney: ya, that's what I was thinking. One of the terminal maintainers uses unity, so we have a chance...

 15:59 <larsu> didrocks: there's a new widget in gnome-bluetooth that handles everything, but it's very gnome3

 15:59 <Laney> nod

 15:59 <larsu> didrocks: wizard was dropped

 15:59 <didrocks> larsu: right, so it's the g-c-c UI we saw, but it's feature complete, right?

 15:59 <didrocks> even if it's very gnome3-ui like

 15:59 <larsu> didrocks: yes, indeed

 16:00 <didrocks> so, what does prevent us for landing this as a first step?

 16:00 <larsu> didrocks: I did that first, so that we unblock

 16:00 <larsu> not sure :)

 16:00 <didrocks> and then, see if we have time to reland the old UI

 16:00 <didrocks> (which I doubt, as we'll prioritize the touthc system-settings)

 16:00 <didrocks> touch*

 16:00 <larsu> makes sense to me, but let's take this after the meeting

 16:00 <didrocks> yeah, let's discuss here

 16:00 <didrocks> after meeting

 16:00 <Laney> can I put "look at styling the osd class" on your plate? ;-)

 16:01 <larsu> sure, do you have a bug

 16:01 <didrocks> larsu: run :p

 16:01 <Laney> nope

 16:01 <Laney> can file one

 16:01 <seb128> didrocks, did you try the new UI

 16:01 <seb128> it has like a solid bg you can't even see the controls

 16:01 <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I did few months ago, didn't retry recently

 16:01 <seb128> on my vivid machine the machine is not discoverable from other devices

 16:02 <didrocks> hum, that's weird, doesn't seem to be UI related though

 16:02 <seb128> like I did try to pair with a car earlier for testing/to see if bluez5 was working better, the car wouldn't list thhe desktop

 16:02 <seb128> where it works on bluez4

 16:02 <larsu> Laney: please do, makes it easier to track

 16:02 <Laney> ack

 16:02 <larsu> Laney: if you don't mind

 16:02 <Laney> I just wanted to know if you were willing :-)

 16:02 <seb128> well, in any case I don't think we stabilized/tested that stack enough, going to still need some work

 16:02 <Laney> thanks!

 16:02 <larsu> sure sure

 16:02 <seb128> we can continue that discussion after the meeting I guess

 16:02 <didrocks> seb128: so the issue is beyond the UI, but bluez5 itself

 16:02 <didrocks> yeah

 16:02 <seb128> thanks larsu

 16:02 * didrocks brings up his phone meanwhile

 16:03 <seb128> (& Laney & didrocks)

 16:03 <seb128> #topic qengho

 16:03 <seb128> qengho, hey

 16:03 <qengho> Hey hey!

 16:03 <qengho> * Preparing chromium-browser 40.0.2214.115. Testing now.

 16:03 <qengho> * High-dpi bug: experimenting patches. Several coordinate-map improvements, a few problems remain.

 16:03 <qengho> * GPU hang bug: trying to find smallest common factor set.

 16:03 <qengho> EOF

 16:04 <seb128> qengho, is the gpu hang the one on top of e.u.c reports?

 16:04 <qengho> seb128: That's the one.

 16:04 <seb128> k, good luck figuring it out

 16:04 <seb128> thanks qengho

 16:04 <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark1

 16:04 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, hey

 16:05 <Sweet5hark1> - prepared and build and smoketest 4.4.1~rc2 for ppa, fixes printing bug and extension installation, will be released as 4.4.1 final soon upstream

 16:05 <Sweet5hark1> - provided upstream master with better error reporting for the extension foo, so that this will be easier to debug next release

 16:05 <Sweet5hark1> - provided some groundwork for C++11 cleanup EasyHacks upstream

 16:05 <Sweet5hark1> - upstream politics and leadership

 16:05 <Sweet5hark1> - (4.3.6 final upstream release announce -- we already have that in the ppa)

 16:05 <Sweet5hark1> - next week: look some more into ppc64el and arm64, I guess

 16:05 <Sweet5hark1> EOF

 16:06 <seb128> Sweet5hark1, thanks

 16:06 <seb128> #topic tkamppeter

 16:06 <seb128> tkamppeter, hey

 16:07 <tkamppeter> - Organizational stuff for GSoC and OpenPrinting Summit

 16:07 <tkamppeter> - Bugs.

 16:08 <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks

 16:08 <seb128> #topic seb128

 16:08 <seb128> ok, my turn

 16:08 <seb128> • helped debugging unity8 desktop stuck on loading battery icons, tested fix and confirmed it resolves the issue

 16:08 <seb128> • helped nessita to investigate a meld issue, found upstream fix, update to a new version including it

 16:08 <seb128> • joined discussion about gtk hidpi scaling issues under ubiquity and unity-greeter, proposed some unity-settings-daemon changes

 16:08 <seb128> • review of e.u.c top issues, triaged and looked at some

 16:08 <seb128> • spent half a day trying to debug systemd boot issues without real luck

 16:08 <qengho> Weird how printing a project in GSoC every year.

 16:08 <seb128> • looked at some issues with the telephony/ofono/indicator stack on the rtm, filed bugs, provided debug info, etc

 16:08 <seb128> • tried bluez5 ppa/transition

 16:08 <seb128> • started looking at bluetooth/car pairing issues

 16:08 <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings

 16:08 <seb128> ∘ changed the bluetooth panel to allow pairing only when the ui is focussed (avoiding to let the option enabled when switching out/closing it)

 16:08 <seb128> ∘ updates: fixed incorrect anchoring leading to truncated label

 16:08 <seb128> ∘ some code reviews

 16:08 <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions

 16:08 <seb128> </week>

 16:09 <seb128> ok, then summary from Robert and Luke

 16:09 <seb128> #topic robert_ancell

 16:09 <seb128> Worked on:

 16:09 <seb128> - TPM work

 16:09 <seb128> - Bug triaging

 16:09 <seb128> Currently working on:

 16:09 <seb128> - TPM support

 16:09 <seb128> #topic Themuso

 16:09 <seb128> * Uploaded a fix for pulseaudio to make sure flat volumes was diabled by default again. It was accidentally re-enabled during the merge/update process and migration to the Debian pulseaudio git repo.

 16:09 <seb128> * Finally tracked down and submitted fixes for unity 7's dash result view grid accessibility bugs. YAY!

 16:09 <seb128> * Starte work on improving more dash accessibility, the scope/lense selection toolbar, and filter results. Could be considered features, so will evaluate whether I'll push for them to be included in vivid once they're done.

 16:10 <seb128> #topic other topics?

 16:10 <seb128> do we have any other topic this week?

 16:13 <Laney> seems not ;-)

 16:14 <seb128> seems not indeed

 16:14 <seb128> #endmeeting



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