== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-desktop Meeting, 09 Dec at 15:33 — 16:10 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2014/ubuntu-desktop.2014-12-09-15.33.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== attente_ ===
The discussion about "attente_" started at 15:34.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:37.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:38.


=== didrocks ===
The discussion about "didrocks" started at 15:39.


=== desrt ===
The discussion about "desrt" started at 15:43.


=== FJKong ===
The discussion about "FJKong" started at 15:47.


=== happyaron ===
The discussion about "happyaron" started at 15:48.


=== Laney ===
The discussion about "Laney" started at 15:52.


=== larsu ===
The discussion about "larsu" started at 15:55.


=== mlankhorst ===
The discussion about "mlankhorst" started at 16:00.


=== qengho ===
The discussion about "qengho" started at 16:01.


=== seb128 ===
The discussion about "seb128" started at 16:02.


=== Sweet5hark ===
The discussion about "Sweet5hark" started at 16:06.


=== TheMuso ===
The discussion about "TheMuso" started at 16:08.


=== tkamppeter ===
The discussion about "tkamppeter" started at 16:08.


=== robert_ancell ===
The discussion about "robert_ancell" started at 16:09.


=== Any other business ===
The discussion about "Any other business" started at 16:10.




== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * seb128 (66)
 * willcooke (65)
 * larsu (25)
 * didrocks (20)
 * desrt (20)
 * Laney (15)
 * Sweet5hark (13)
 * attente_ (9)
 * happyaron (8)
 * qengho (5)
 * meetingology (4)
 * mlankhorst (4)



== Full Log ==


 15:33 <seb128> #startmeeting

 15:33 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec  9 15:33:33 2014 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 15:33 <meetingology> 

 15:33 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:33 <Laney> with a #

 15:33 <seb128> Laney, thanks

 15:33 <seb128> hope everybody is doing fine

 15:34 <seb128> let's get started then

 15:34 <seb128> alphabetic order nowadays?

 15:34 <seb128> #topic attente_

 15:34 <seb128> attente_, hey, there?

 15:34 <attente_> yep

 15:34 <seb128> zengho, nice try, but you are not getting away with it ;-)

 15:34 <attente_> fix for menus not working after the first opening

 15:34 <attente_> fix for the cursor not changing after activating a menu

 15:34 <attente_> hack for making top level windows appear in their own mir surface

 15:34 <attente_> eof

 15:34 <seb128> those are mir items right?

 15:35 <attente_> yeah

 15:35 <attente_> gdk-mir items

 15:35 <seb128> are those fixes landing on stable/lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3?

 15:35 <seb128> would be nice to get that in the archive with the new gtk

 15:35 <attente_> this is on wip/mir2 on the gnome repo

 15:36 <seb128> k

 15:36 <seb128> could that be easily backported on our current wip package?

 15:36 <attente_> probably

 15:36 <seb128> I see that robert_ancell backported some mir work there already

 15:36 <seb128> k, would be nice if you could look at that

 15:36 <seb128> or work with larsu/laney to have that included in the new gtk upload

 15:37 <seb128> thanks!

 15:37 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:37 <seb128> didrocks, hey :-)

 15:38 <didrocks> seb128: isn't desrt before I in alphabetical order?

 15:38 <seb128> shrug

 15:38 <didrocks> I can still update though ;)

 15:38 <seb128> #topic desrt

 15:38 <seb128> desrt, up to you it seems

 15:38 * willcooke -> back.  Sorry for being late.

 15:39 <seb128> hey willcooke

 15:39 <seb128> ok, no desrt...

 15:39 <seb128> #topic didrocks

 15:39 <seb128> didrocks, really to you this time?

 15:39 <didrocks> seb128: long time no talk :)

 15:39 <seb128> :-)

 15:39 <didrocks> Ubuntu developer desktop:

 15:39 <didrocks> * We have a new name: Ubuntu Make! Handling the transitions (config + packaging + code + projects + documentation) and blogging about it. Still ship compatible binaries under the old packaging name.

 15:39 <didrocks> * Fix for Android Studio 1.0 release

 15:39 <didrocks> * Had to drop eclipse ADT support as android developers tools team don't deliver bundles anymore with it (since Android Studio 1.0) as not under active development

 15:39 <didrocks> Bluez:

 15:39 <didrocks> * Got the kde-compatible packages into the ppa

 15:39 <didrocks> * Finished transitions investigation. Missing piece is the indicator before calling for testing. Pending Robert on it.

 15:39 <didrocks> Systemd:

 15:39 <didrocks> * Work on xdiagnose (completely broken for at least 2 years and half in ubuntu). Did some minimal fixes and working under systemd now!

 15:39 <didrocks> * Add autopkg tests for display managers

 15:40 <didrocks> * New fixes on the display-manager part. Dropped some more fixes (and thus reintroduces regressions) in debian as considered as too risky. We won't be impacted in vivid as we'll move all DM to systemd.

 15:40 <didrocks> * Continue upstream discussion on how to handle default jobs enablement, alias, packaging purge/removal. Seems that upstream now agrees with our original fixes! We'll sum it all up to ensure everyone is in agreement before working on this.

 15:40 <didrocks> EOF

 15:40 <larsu> thata dude is on a roll

 15:40 <larsu> *that

 15:40 <didrocks> larsu: going to s/fix/break/ systemd debian packaging! :)

 15:40 <larsu> :)

 15:40 <seb128> didrocks, pointer to the summary for the systemd enablement would be welcome, once you have an online archive of the email or something

 15:41 <didrocks> seb128: yeah, you really want a summary I guess :)

 15:41 <seb128> indeed ;-)

 15:41 <Laney> such a manager

 15:41 <didrocks> (I guess the thread is more than 50 emails)

 15:41 <seb128> didrocks, thanks!

 15:41 <didrocks> yw

 15:41 <seb128> willcooke, want to take the meeting from there or should I just keep going?

 15:41 * Sweet5hark sneaks in and seats in the back row ...

 15:41 <willcooke> I can take it

 15:41 <seb128> thanks

 15:42 <seb128> it's yours then ;-à

 15:42 * desrt is here (sorry)

 15:42 <seb128> ;-)

 15:42 <willcooke> #topic desrt

 15:42 <willcooke> seb128,  can you #chair me?

 15:42 <desrt> not much to report this week.

 15:42 <larsu> willcooke: I think seb128 has to talk to the bot, no?

 15:42 * happyaron is here

 15:42 * desrt waits

 15:43 * larsu hands desrt a cup of tea

 15:43 <desrt> larsu: thx :D

 15:43 * Sweet5hark provides coookies

 15:43 <desrt> now THIS is a meeting!

 15:43 <seb128> willcooke, #chair?

 15:43 <seb128> #chair willcooke

 15:43 <meetingology> Current chairs: seb128 willcooke

 15:43 <seb128> sorry, new to the bot business ;-)

 15:43 <seb128> willcooke, there you go, try topic again?

 15:43 <willcooke> #topic desrt

 15:44 <desrt> HI!

 15:44 <willcooke> \o/

 15:44 <desrt> so it's been a kdbus week mostly

 15:44 <desrt> had a pretty good meeting about that yesterday -- we ended up changing the wire format of version 2 dbus quite a bit.... things are looking a lot better now

 15:44 <desrt> working with the kernel guys a bit about some fixes and features we need

 15:44 <desrt> and the implementation in glib is coming along nicely now

 15:45 <desrt> unfortunately it looks like a lot of the work that samsung did is not great....

 15:45 <desrt> and with kdbus changing so much (as it is still doing) probably most of it needs redoing anyway :(

 15:45 <larsu> desrt: will we get a simpler kernel interface?

 15:45 <desrt> larsu: yes

 15:45 <larsu> nice.

 15:45 <desrt> the entire "payload" is now a properly-formed GVariant

 15:45 <desrt> so no need to unwrap another layer of header in a weird format

 15:46 <desrt> uh... also did some glib patch reviewing and mir feature chasing

 15:46 <desrt> that's about all

 15:46 <willcooke> thanks desrt

 15:47 <willcooke> #topic FJKong

 15:47 <willcooke> FJKong, is out, but I have his update:

 15:47 <willcooke> continue pinyin search need more research on matching

 15:47 <willcooke> bug tracing ：switch to en and cant input punctuation

 15:47 <willcooke> after delete skin it should turn on default skin

 15:47 <willcooke> take one day off

 15:48 <willcooke> #topic happyaron

 15:48 <willcooke> happyaron, how's it going :)

 15:49 <willcooke> I thought I saw a message from him in the backlog, but I think I was wrong

 15:49 <Laney> 09/12 15:42:40  * happyaron is here

 15:49 <larsu> 7 minutes is a long time on irc

 15:49 <happyaron> back

 15:49 <willcooke> ah, I'm not going mad

 15:49 <willcooke> :)

 15:49 <mlankhorst> ohai

 15:50 <happyaron> in the past week, I helped to produced arm64 version of sogoupinyin

 15:50 <happyaron> build the RPM version (yes RPM)

 15:50 <willcooke> :)

 15:51 <happyaron> and re-visited all the stuff in fcitx MIR, and will talk to didrocks later this week

 15:51 <happyaron> updated ibus solving 1240198

 15:51 <happyaron> checked compatibility problems of fcitx-qimpanel/sogou-qimpanel

 15:52 <happyaron> over

 15:52 <willcooke> thanks happyaron

 15:52 <willcooke> #topic Laney

 15:52 <willcooke> Laney, what goes?

 15:52 <Laney> these things:

 15:52 <Laney> • v short week, on hols last week

 15:52 <Laney> • Worked on a script to provide .desktop files for those renamed in GNOME 3.14, had some fun fighting with make for that.

 15:52 <Laney> • systemd-timedated stopped supplying invalidated_properties with its PropertiesChanged signal, breaking u-s-s - fix that.

 15:52 <Laney> • Notice that it now uses systemd-timesyncd.service for managing ntp synchronisation, but the shim didn't support this new name, so filed a PR to add it.

 15:52 <Laney> • Merged vim (noticed seb128 had already handled the icon issue after starting) & just saw that it FTBFS :(

 15:52 <Laney> ☢

 15:53 <willcooke> vim.

 15:53 <larsu> Laney: provide .desktop files with NoDisplay?

 15:53 <seb128> Laney, my upload ftbfs or your merge?

 15:54 <Laney> mine, dunno about yours

 15:54 <Laney> larsu: ya, I'll share the script in a bit

 15:54 <seb128> mine built/is in vivid it seems

 15:54 <larsu> cool

 15:54 <Laney> vim has some mad testsuite

 15:54 <Laney> seems like it's going to be fun

 15:55 <willcooke> for certain values of fun

 15:55 <willcooke> thanks Laney

 15:55 <willcooke> #topic larsu

 15:55 <willcooke> larsu, lay it on us

 15:55 <larsu> hey. Looked into the icon thing. Wrote a couple of patches

 15:56 <larsu> lots of discussion on how to tackle this

 15:56 <larsu> matthias is still not happy with the approach (understandibly)

 15:56 <larsu> I dislike that gtk broke this without a clear way of fixing this, but meh

 15:57 <seb128> can we revert to unblock meanwhile?

 15:57 <larsu> also finally wrote a g_dbus_object_path_escape() - we use that in some indicators and ted told me he wrote a couple of copies himself

 15:57 <seb128> revert the commit I mean, or use your simple change that makes it not spec compliant but compatible?

 15:57 <desrt> larsu: how's the dbus spec patch going? :)

 15:57 <larsu> desrt is reviewing that and will take it if we put the escaping scheme into the spec

 15:57 <larsu> (see above ;) )

 15:58 <desrt> larsu: after bouncing back and forth a couple of times i think the patch is fine (once you fix the docs issues)

 15:58 <desrt> but ya... please update the dbus spec :)

 15:58 <larsu> looked into g-s-m transparent bg and .titlebar/.header-bar issues but postponed because the gtk update is more important

 15:58 <larsu> desrt: docs issues are fixed

 15:58 <larsu> seb128: I think taking my patches as is would be easier

 15:59 <larsu> I think that's it. Wasn't on 100% due to having a cold

 15:59 <larsu> (feeling slightly better today)

 15:59 <willcooke> thanks larsu

 15:59 <willcooke> glad you're on the mend

 15:59 <seb128> larsu, k

 16:00 <willcooke> #topic mlankhorst

 16:00 <mlankhorst> 1. getting Xmir running on the phone, runs with -sw, 2. working on enabling egl 2d-acceleration on the phone (WIP, partially works now with some corruption because I messed up the copy proc). 3. preparing lts-utopic for trusty, 4. verifying sru's.

 16:00 <willcooke> maximum efficiency

 16:00 <willcooke> :)

 16:00 <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst - nice job with xmir

 16:01 <mlankhorst> np :)

 16:01 <willcooke> we'll have some cool new things to show off once I fix my U8 machine

 16:01 <qengho> Really nice.

 16:01 <mlankhorst> glamor still only works partially

 16:01 <willcooke> #topic qengho

 16:01 <qengho> Just one item.

 16:01 <qengho> in-progress: merging intel's chromium patches for wayland, after last week's ozone/mir breakage. Boooooring.

 16:02 <willcooke> qengho, did you see my message from earlier?  Everything is working fine wrt/ status bubbles today :/

 16:02 <qengho> willcooke: I saw. Ugh.

 16:02 <willcooke> sorry about that

 16:02 * willcooke is making a habit of wild goose chases

 16:02 <willcooke> #topic seb128

 16:03 <qengho> Well, this wild goose exists, so it must be chased.

 16:03 <seb128> • helped debugging a systemd regression related to firmwares loading

 16:03 <seb128> • looked a bit to shotwell/uoa segfault issues, bounced to mardy who

 16:03 <seb128> fixed it, tested/confirmed the fix and looked at SRUing it

 16:03 <seb128> • set up ubuntu-settings override for unity8 usage mode (windowed for

 16:03 <seb128> desktop), needs unity8 code changes to land to be doing something

 16:03 <seb128> visible though

 16:03 <seb128> • tested unity8/desktop-next with systemd init, ran into some issues,

 16:03 <seb128> reported those

 16:03 <seb128> • backported vim change for icon issues with the new gtk

 16:03 <seb128> • ubuntu-system-settings for touch

 16:03 <seb128> ∘ reviews for others

 16:03 <seb128> • some sponsoring

 16:03 <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions

 16:03 <seb128> 

 16:03 <seb128> I've official on vac wed/thursday, then working friday and off until next year

 16:04 <willcooke> have a great break seb128, thanks for all your help this year

 16:04 <seb128> I'm probably going to be around tomorrow and thursday though

 16:04 <Laney> nice break!

 16:04 <seb128> I registered those days but sort of swapped hours out of them

 16:04 <seb128> then really off on friday

 16:04 <seb128> thanks ;-)

 16:04 <seb128> if anyone needs me please ping in the next days

 16:04 <seb128> Laney, if you want to take on landing new gtk that would be welcome

 16:05 <seb128> it's getting late, I doubt I'm going to be able to do that before holidays

 16:05 <larsu> Laney, seb128: let's take my patches as they are now. They'll solve the problem without scaling icons for out default font size

 16:06 <larsu> I'm pretty sure that the general approach of choosing the icon based on font size is correct

 16:06 <seb128> k, let's discuss that after the meeting (or tomorrow)

 16:06 <larsu> ok

 16:06 <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark

 16:06 <willcooke> Sweet5hark, you here?  If not I have updates...

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> slow week:

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - build 4.2.8~rc2/trusty for PPA

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - some SRU babysitting still

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - desaster (work machine managed to lose its superblock on the encrypted drive)

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - recovery & backups foo

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - waiting for 4.3.5~rc2 for PPA this week

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - upstream: write moar unittests, refactorings for C++11

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - the usual leadership and direction upstream

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> - also somewhat quarantained: someone put some huge warehouse of computer junk on fire next to the harbor, its been burning for two days and the east of Hamburg is under "keep windows and doors locked"-orders because of toxic fumes. That messed up plans a bit.

 16:06 <Sweet5hark> EOF

 16:06 <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark

 16:07 <willcooke> gotta love those backups

 16:07 <Sweet5hark> aye

 16:07 <willcooke> Hamburg has it's own version of the Springfield Tyre Yard now then :)

 16:08 <willcooke> #topic TheMuso

 16:08 <willcooke> * Further work with Debian on Pulse 5.99 packaging, pulling a few useful patches from upstream.

 16:08 <willcooke> * Uploaded some new revisions of pulse 6 RC to the transitions PPA. We now have webrtc in main, so we now build the pulseaudio module to support it.

 16:08 <willcooke> * Spent time trying to track down an issue I am experiencing in Vivid where when I switch workspaces, the keyboard focus doesn't move to the newly focused workspace/window. Haven't checked or filed a bug about this yet, will chase up later, as its not a show stopper atm.

 16:08 <willcooke> * I am on leave from Wednesday the 10th, until January 5th. Happy holidays all, and a happy new year.

 16:08 <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter

 16:09 <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell

 16:09 <willcooke> Worked on:

 16:09 <willcooke> - GNOME 3.14 updates

 16:09 <willcooke> - Released Unity Greeter 15.04.2

 16:09 <willcooke> - LightDM SRU verification

 16:09 <willcooke> - TPM support

 16:09 <willcooke> - Reviewed merge proposals, bug fixes

 16:09 <willcooke> Currently working on:

 16:09 <willcooke> - TPM support

 16:09 <willcooke> - Bluez 5 support

 16:10 <willcooke> #topic Any other business

 16:10 <willcooke> Anyone got anything?

 16:10 <willcooke> I see that Snappy has just been announced :)  So I'm going to read about that if we're done?

 16:10 <willcooke> #endmeeting



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