#title #ubuntu-design Meeting

Meeting started by wendar at 17:05:18 UTC.  The full logs are available
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== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Introductions   (wendar, 17:06:09)
 *current projects
''LINK:'' https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1rSPWpmu6L6APUUzsxL2OySNmCbabF3QXRVOnZTNf-s4/edit   (mainerror, 17:49:49)
''LINK:'' https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fkV98vNooG8y8BlAeZ5WAL-5tT-57FpC2MD8qI0tS94/edit?hl=en_US   (wendar, 17:54:02)
''LINK:'' https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1   (mainerror, 18:07:06)



Meeting ended at 18:28:23 UTC.



== Votes ==




== Action items ==

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== People present (lines said) ==

 * wendar (79)
 * mainerror (36)
 * DrDruif (33)
 * nuthinking (6)
 * mhall119 (3)
 * Omega (3)
 * meetingology (3)
 * jono (2)
 * MrBadWiki (1)
 * bwinton (1)
 * AlanBell (1)



== Full Log ==


 17:05:18 <wendar> #startmeeting

 17:05:18 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Dec  7 17:05:18 2011 UTC.  The chair is wendar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.

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 17:05:38 <AlanBell> o/

 17:06:07 <wendar> I've started collecting introductions, so we all know who eachother are

 17:06:09 <wendar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Introductions

 17:06:35 <wendar> anyone new this week, like to say hi and let us know what you're interested in?

 17:08:20 <bwinton> Hi, I'm Blake Winton, the UX lead for Thunderbird.  I don't really have a lot to say here, so I'll mostly be lurking.  ;)

 17:08:35 <wendar> welcome, bwinton :)

 17:09:02 <wendar> everyone, feel free to edit the introduction I pasted in for you (straight from earlier meetings)

 17:09:11 <wendar> or, add one if I missed you

 17:09:57 <wendar> [TOPIC] current projects

 17:10:35 <wendar> The two main things we're working on at the moment are a quick design review of the 4digits game, and more generally on design tools.

 17:10:58 <wendar> (tools/worklflows)

 17:11:13 <wendar> Any updates on the tools front over the past week?

 17:14:00 <wendar> What I'd like to do today is more of a practical working session, that actually involves both projects.

 17:14:36 <wendar> Specifically, the next step on 4digits is to start taking screenshots, marking them up, and figuring out what we want to improve.

 17:14:55 <wendar> But, we're struggling a bit with tools.

 17:15:26 <wendar> One suggestion is inkscape, but it's hard for multiple people to collaborate over an inkscape doc.

 17:15:52 <wendar> A bunch of people have been trying out different tools in the past few weeks.

 17:16:14 <wendar> Do you have some suggestions?

 17:17:34 <wendar> AlanBell: could Pencil help here? Or, the same collaboration limitations?

 17:19:46 <MrBadWiki> o/ just saying "hi"

 17:21:04 <wendar> hi DrDruif, welcome

 17:21:26 <DrDruif> Thanks

 17:21:31 <wendar> would you like to introduce yourself?

 17:22:06 <DrDruif> I'm on a mobile with only touchscreen input, so I'll keep it short

 17:23:50 <DrDruif> My normal IRC name is MrChrisDruif, I've joined ubuntu beginners about a year ago and more recently I've become active again with ubuntu tv and tablet

 17:24:12 <DrDruif> AlanBell already knows me as well as a few others

 17:25:17 <DrDruif> I've got no history in graphics or design, but I'd like to learn about it.

 17:25:33 <DrDruif> That's it for now =)

 17:25:37 <wendar> very cool, glad you could join :)

 17:26:07 * DrDruif celebrates the joys of modern technology =)

 17:27:16 <wendar> AlanBell: I'm thinking we're going to end up using google docs for now.

 17:28:11 <Omega> Hello!

 17:28:16 <DrDruif> For text files? (I've missed a part of the meeting)

 17:28:33 <DrDruif> Hi Omega

 17:29:09 <Omega> I'm Omega, I've been using Ubuntu for a while, I've no background in graphics nor design either! What I am interested in is the thought that goes after design :)

 17:29:23 <DrDruif> Etherpad also works pretty well for text files and multi person editing

 17:29:29 <Omega> s/after/behind

 17:30:08 <DrDruif> You can even see who changed what

 17:30:25 <wendar> DrDruif: for images, particularly for marking up screenshots of an app to highlight areas for design improvements

 17:30:45 <DrDruif> Alright

 17:30:55 <wendar> DrDruif: Etherpad for images would be awesome :)

 17:31:19 <mhall119> doctormon was working on some ideas for that

 17:32:39 <DrDruif> Indeed, but if everyone just wished it would be available/useable in etherpad, then nobody will do it. The devs of etherpad should know about it

 17:33:25 <DrDruif> Good to hear about doctormon is doing something about it =)

 17:33:26 <mhall119> the devs of etherpad work for Google now, doing something else.  Maybe the Etherpad Lite folks though

 17:35:06 <DrDruif> And the code from google wave? Is that any useable?

 17:35:40 <wendar> mhall119: that's true, doctormon mentioned it last week (was looking for a link), I'll check in with him and see if it's usable yet

 17:35:56 <wendar> mhall119: it may be a "next project we can use this" thing

 17:36:31 <wendar> DrDruif: was that code ever open sourced?

 17:37:27 <DrDruif> It's free to download, but only for a limited time. They've abandoned the project

 17:37:49 <DrDruif> And they'll want to remove it from their servers

 17:39:22 <DrDruif> I didn't party any notice to it, because it was to no use for me (not a dev as well)

 17:39:31 <DrDruif> Party is pay

 17:39:59 <mainerror> Did I miss the meeting?

 17:40:01 <DrDruif> And I hope it's still available

 17:40:22 <DrDruif> Still going mainerror

 17:40:28 <mainerror> Great.

 17:41:37 <DrDruif> I'll look it up when I'm back home if there is any interest

 17:41:45 <wendar> DrDruif: interesting, did they release the code with the idea that someone else might pick it up and maintain it?

 17:42:04 <DrDruif> I'd have to look it up

 17:42:53 <wendar> DrDruif: oooh, look http://incubator.apache.org/wave/

 17:43:06 <wendar> So, they handed it over to Apache

 17:43:50 <DrDruif> If you say so, I'd have to look it up

 17:44:15 <wendar> I just ran across it from http://code.google.com/apis/wave/

 17:44:59 <wendar> mainerror: so, we're talking about what tools to use for 4digits

 17:45:24 <mainerror> Yup. Just read the transcript.

 17:46:11 <wendar> I'm still thinking we're going to end up on google docs for now, so we're not blocking the tiny project on tools.

 17:46:32 <DrDruif> Agreed

 17:46:55 <mhall119> +1

 17:47:05 <wendar> I'd be happier with open tools, but we're working on those at the same time, and will have them for later projects.

 17:47:06 <mainerror> +1

 17:48:15 <mainerror> We can use the Drawing function.

 17:49:27 <wendar> mainerror: ah, trying it out now...

 17:49:33 <wendar> yeah, looks workable

 17:49:49 <mainerror> https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1rSPWpmu6L6APUUzsxL2OySNmCbabF3QXRVOnZTNf-s4/edit

 17:49:54 <mainerror> This is an example.

 17:50:25 <mainerror> People can now join my session with this link and participate.

 17:51:17 <mainerror> At least I hope they can.

 17:51:31 <mainerror> Can anyone confirm it?

 17:52:30 <DrDruif> Maybe later

 17:53:22 <mainerror> Oh yea, to edit it you have to be logged in with the current settings.

 17:54:02 <wendar> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fkV98vNooG8y8BlAeZ5WAL-5tT-57FpC2MD8qI0tS94/edit?hl=en_US

 17:54:03 <mainerror> Now everyone can edit it.

 17:54:26 <wendar> yah, zigactly, lovely

 17:55:03 <DrDruif> =)

 17:55:16 <wendar> and, the drawings can be tied together in a text document, so you can walk through the app in sections

 17:55:24 <wendar> with some description between

 17:56:21 * DrDruif is on sake

 17:56:45 <mainerror> So until we have our own tool I think this is a good option.

 17:58:45 <mainerror> Alright. What is next on the agenda?

 17:58:53 <wendar> yup, I'm getting real-time updates as we edit

 17:59:27 <wendar> mainerror: someone mentioned this week that they were interested in participating, but weren't sure what tasks were on offer

 18:00:17 <wendar> I think it'd be useful to start collecting together "ways you can get involved in design with Ubuntu"

 18:01:03 <wendar> we have the two projects, a little game, and moving forward tools

 18:01:50 <wendar> but, that's just what's new

 18:02:05 <wendar> there's icons for projects, teams, and websites

 18:02:19 <wendar> there's the tv/tablet/phone projects

 18:02:56 <wendar> and lots of other pieces volunteer designers have already been doing

 18:03:00 <DrDruif> That's where I'm focusing attention

 18:04:27 <DrDruif> Tv and phone that is

 18:04:49 <mainerror> For that problem I would like to propose the use of https://trello.com/

 18:05:16 <mainerror> The Community team is trying it out as well.

 18:05:31 <DrDruif> Trello?

 18:05:37 <wendar> looks cool, is it open source?

 18:06:47 <mainerror> Uhm, I'm not quite sure if it is to be honest.

 18:06:56 <wendar> doesn't look like it, too bad

 18:07:06 <mainerror> https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1

 18:07:08 <wendar> but, again, use what you've got, build something better :)

 18:07:22 <mainerror> This is the community team trello board.

 18:08:38 <mainerror> The problem is that right now I couldn't tell what someone could work on.

 18:09:05 <mainerror> We need something where people always know whats going on.

 18:09:08 <wendar> you can't tell from the community team's trello board?

 18:09:25 <wendar> or, you can't tell from the design side, and it's easier with the trello board?

 18:09:38 <mainerror> I'm talking about us right now.

 18:09:49 <mainerror> You can tell from the community trello board.

 18:09:58 <wendar> agreed, right  now it's tough to find a design task to pick up

 18:10:23 <wendar> I'd be happy to try out trello

 18:10:26 <mainerror> I mean we could also make use of the harvest site.

 18:10:34 <mainerror> Was it called like that? I'm not sure.

 18:10:58 <wendar> you mean http://harvest.ubuntu.com/?

 18:11:14 <mainerror> Yup, that's the site.

 18:11:42 <wendar> like, add a "design" tab at http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/

 18:12:31 <mainerror> Yea, that'd be an option I guess.

 18:12:44 <wendar> looks like it's organized by package

 18:12:50 <wendar> we have more freeflowing tasks

 18:12:56 <DrDruif> Opportunities? I'm interested

 18:14:13 <wendar> DrDruif: it's a site that helps people find bugs to work on

 18:14:24 <mainerror> Well the harvest site should be open source I guess. We could investigate on that and find out if we could use it for us. Self-hosted and modified.

 18:14:48 <wendar> mainerror: yes, that's a good tool to follow up on

 18:14:55 <wendar> also, ubuntu brainstorm

 18:15:44 <mainerror> Indeed although UB would need a heavy redesign if you ask me. Not that it'd stop us from using but still.

 18:16:12 <wendar> contributing design work to existing tools is certainly in scope for the group

 18:16:26 <wendar> it's a collaborative thing

 18:16:43 <DrDruif> I'm dining of. I'm at a dinner (japanese)

 18:17:18 <wendar> brainstorm is more "post a design problem, and post alternative solutions, then get review and feedback on the solutions"

 18:17:47 <wendar> but, it's very text oriented at the moment

 18:17:55 <wendar> still, potential, down the road

 18:18:57 <wendar> jono (if you're listening): have you been using trello? any thoughts on how well it works?

 18:19:17 <mainerror> Oh I actually meant a redesign of its UI. Get rid of some clutter, get it in line with the official Ubuntu webdesign guidelines.

 18:20:09 <wendar> that's in scope too, if the maintainers are amenable to collaborating on it

 18:20:40 * mainerror nods

 18:20:41 <wendar> I know nuthinking has been trying to get in touch with the brainstorm maintainers

 18:21:05 <wendar> (to volunteer some design time)

 18:21:22 <nuthinking> wendar: I am leaving the office

 18:21:25 <nuthinking> wendar: but

 18:21:42 <nuthinking> wendar: I can tell you that while there should be resources to update its look and feel

 18:22:00 <nuthinking> wendar: there aren't resources to improve its functionalities

 18:22:24 <nuthinking> wendar: do you need any other information before I leave? :)

 18:22:34 <mainerror> Well I'd be happy with the look and feel improvements already.

 18:22:42 <wendar> nuthinking: that's great, thanks!

 18:22:58 <nuthinking> ok, I go home then! ;) Bye everyone!

 18:23:04 <mainerror> Bye.

 18:23:08 <wendar> yeah, the functionality is useful now

 18:23:27 <jono> wendar, I haven't used it much, but Jorge has :-)

 18:23:31 <jono> he seems to like it

 18:23:54 <mainerror> Oh yea, if you guys want an invite in the Ubuntu Design Trello team, please send me your email address.

 18:25:28 <wendar> mainerror: I was just going to ask if you'd created one already :)

 18:25:43 <wendar> mainerror: sure, I'll join and try it out

 18:27:03 <wendar> Any other topics for this week?

 18:27:32 <mainerror> Not from my part.

 18:27:53 <mainerror> I just wanted to tell you about Trello. :)

 18:28:09 <wendar> :)

 18:28:19 <wendar> cool, thanks everybody!

 18:28:23 <wendar> #endmeeting



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