#title #ubuntu-design Meeting Meeting started by wendar at 17:01:36 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-design/2011/ubuntu-design.2011-11-30-17.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs (mhall119, 17:07:59) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Resources (doctormon, 17:09:15) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs/Pencil is the resources page (AlanBell, 17:19:29) *Catchup introductions *Picking the first project ''LINK:'' http://live.gnome.org/Aisleriot (antdillon, 17:44:07) Meeting ended at 18:02:14 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * wendar (57) * doctormon (30) * AlanBell (17) * mhall119 (15) * oreneeshy (11) * sladen (7) * thorwil (5) * antdillon (3) * jasox (3) * meetingology (3) * MacSlow (2) == Full Log == 17:01:36 #startmeeting 17:01:36 Meeting started Wed Nov 30 17:01:36 2011 UTC. The chair is wendar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 17:01:36 17:01:36 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:01:44 ah, it's on, good 17:02:19 So wendar, tell us what's on the agenda this week. 17:02:51 - picking a project 17:03:18 - starting to sketch out the first stages 17:04:18 Also, there's been lots of interesting work the past couple of weeks, so I'd like to hear a quick summary. 17:04:35 sure 17:05:10 We have some interesting investigations into Pencil, a tool for creating workflow mockups. It's a firefox extention/app. 17:05:28 mhall119 I believe has made some interesting templates for ubuntu people to use. 17:06:24 AlanBell has been leading the charge by practicing with the highly conceptual Ubuntu-TV idea. 17:06:33 doctormon: the templates for the TV are from AlanBell, I made stencils of the Unity launcher buttons 17:07:10 Thanks for the correction, resources from mhall119 and AlanBell available on request. Are they linked on the resource wiki page? 17:07:30 doctormon: on the wiki page for the TV designs, yes 17:07:59 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs 17:08:02 Can you guys link all your resources directly to the design-resource page, maybe under a Pencil header? 17:08:37 what's the URL for that? 17:09:15 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesignTeam/Resources 17:09:38 As well as the work with pencil, I've spent thanks giving developing an alpha Ethersketch. It's a merge of the svg-editor and etherpad-lite. 17:10:22 ah, fantastic 17:10:23 So far it works and is going through it's last few turns of development, once done i'll release an alpha and people can try it out and see if real-time collab graphics is useful. 17:11:46 Also on the horizon is the decision to have a dedicated website for design work. The idea is that without a place to document briefs and showcase designs for peer views, everything will get very adhoc. 17:12:36 wendar and I talked with sabdfl last week, I think he believes that adhoc is good enough, we should have everybodies opinion. 17:13:07 good enough is not good enough ^_^ 17:13:23 doctormon: I believe design.canonical.com was going to be moved to design.ubuntu.com, will we add the peer review and critique functionality onto that? 17:14:05 mhall119: design.ubuntu.com is being set up as a new "planet" on the main page, that pulls in design.canonical.com 17:14:05 mhall119: It's a php based wordpress site, it's beyond my analysis of it's capability. 17:14:23 also, custom pages of Ubuntu design resources 17:14:50 php :( 17:14:55 but, we can host anything under the tap 17:14:57 tab 17:15:15 sladen has more information 17:16:01 basically, the planet home page is just a quick way to get community designers voices up on design.ubuntu.com 17:16:08 without a lot of infrastructure changes 17:16:34 makes sense, a good direction I think. 17:16:46 sounds good indeed 17:16:59 and then just have reviews and critiques happen on each person's blog comments? 17:17:38 mhall119: That's where it gets adhoc, it doesn't actually matter where they go because each blog could do it differently. 17:17:44 mhall119 I wasn't thinking of the blog as part of the workflow, more as general communication 17:17:52 wendar: sorry to interrupt can we pause for a sec for a quick rnd on intros 17:18:01 of intros 17:18:20 oreneeshy: yes, good idea 17:18:22 mhall119: latest intention as I understand it. Is to have design.ubuntu.com/planet design.u.c/logo/ design.u.c/font etc 17:18:50 if you weren't here to give an intro last meeting, take a line or two to tell us who you are and what you're interested in 17:18:55 communicating a design process via blog posts is hard work. things break down if it is supposed to go collaborative 17:19:20 mhall119: and moving all of the Ubuntu stuff over; and then to leave /canonical-specific/ stuff on design.canonical.com eg. the blog, and canonical-specific logos/branding 17:19:29 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Designs/Pencil is the resources page 17:19:46 or is a page where some resources are 17:19:49 I will move them 17:20:52 sorry, I was scrolled back :) 17:21:02 [TOPIC] Catchup introductions 17:21:29 (mootbot is only partially following us?) 17:21:33 Hi I am Alan Bell, I am leader of the UK LoCo and do other bits and bobs. I am interested in helping the design team use Free tools because they are more awesome than the alternatives 17:21:51 wendar: it doesn't have rights to change the channel topic 17:21:59 it did hear you 17:22:30 I also maintain meetingology and have a long list of bugs to fix on it :) 17:23:00 * sladen is a techie on the Canonical Design Team (basically a glorified lab technician). Poke me about fonts/packaging/bugs/artwork that isn't published yet. 17:23:39 oreneeshy: introduce yourself? 17:24:09 Hello am Oren. I do interaction design in the unity team 17:24:43 i'm Thorsten Wilms, allround-designer. reponsible for a few ubuntu related logos, like the one for spreadubuntu. i'm very interested in interaction design and design methods/processes 17:26:09 I am interested in developing a community process that will focus on experience journeys rather then UI behaviours 17:26:41 * MacSlow is here from the Canonical's DX-team to help mentor anything regarding designer->engieer asset-handover/drafting 17:27:00 * wendar looks through the introductions last time 17:27:02 jasox and antdillon: hi, welcome, would you like to introduce yourselves? 17:28:05 I am Jasmin Rahimic, student of IT in Bosnia. I am interested in ubuntu development and design. 17:28:41 hi im a member of the webteam here at canonical, mainly develop front-end code but work backend if I need to. 17:28:42 i don't have a lot of design experience. 17:29:21 I am not a designer im a developer 17:29:50 we need a little of everything here :) 17:30:32 I'm Martin Owens, programmer with an interest in design workflow. 17:32:15 nuthinking: are you here to introduce yourself? 17:32:42 wendar: Once introductions are over, can you continue with our tasks for the week? 17:33:20 doctormon: did we finish the summary of the past two weeks? 17:34:23 onward, then 17:34:32 [TOPIC] Picking the first project 17:34:36 (or projects) 17:34:55 We have 4 candidate projects 17:35:19 and, this is partly a matter of finding out what people are interested in working on 17:35:37 so, we may have a couple of threads running with different interest groups 17:36:19 The first three are small games, which we can use to try out the design workflow of reviewing and approving an existing application. 17:37:23 The forth is more orieted towards assisting that workfllow, exploring possible tools, and maybe developing some new ones. 17:38:15 The three games are 4digits, AisleRot, and gbrainy. 17:38:42 gbrainy is likely to not be on the CD 17:39:16 AlanBell: dropped dependencies? 17:39:29 the mono/banshee thing 17:39:51 without banshee only gbrainy and tomboy need mono 17:40:20 not that it should stop anything for this team, just throwing it out there as info 17:40:34 very useful thanks 17:40:42 AisleRiot was mentioned in the design-sessions at UDS 17:41:24 I think the main problem with gbrainy is that the questions are not very good, design won't fix that 17:41:27 * wendar is aiming for general discussion on all three, then vote 17:41:30 So I think we should pair or group people up who are interest in each idea so they can work on it for the week. 17:41:58 what are 4digits and aisleriot? 17:42:04 After all the group doesn't do projects, people do projects ;-) 17:42:10 sladen: was that general design problems or just a new card deck 17:42:41 I think it was highlighting that the existing Ubuntu card backs were no longer being picked up 17:43:01 but if it came up, perhaps that indicators that it has some mindshare 17:43:26 AlanBell: aisleriot is the gnome card cames 17:43:27 games 17:43:37 solitaire, freecell, etc 17:44:07 http://live.gnome.org/Aisleriot 17:44:22 wendar: what is the rational for this choices? 17:44:25 Part of the research should be to look at the comments in the software center too. 17:44:37 i suspect that aisleriot will not offer much room for improving the ux. with 4digits, the shortcomings of the ui might be part of the game 17:44:56 oreneeshy: we're looking for something small, that we could do in a week or two 17:45:03 thorwil: the suggestion for aisleriot was to make an ubuntu-themed set of card images 17:45:12 ok. 17:45:14 which means it likely won't be accepted upstream 17:45:29 Of course not, but we could make a package for an ubuntu theme surely. 17:45:30 or we could do a non-ubuntu-specific set of art, which might 17:45:33 oreneeshy: to walk through one full process including (simple) user journeys, design drafts, implementation and launch 17:45:38 doctormon: yes we could 17:45:53 makes sense 17:46:07 oreneeshy: different people will have different interests, but personally, I'm really interested in walking through with your current workflow 17:46:13 oreneeshy: it was more to test our processes with a real-life, but small scope, project 17:46:40 oreneeshy: to get a sense of what you do an how 17:47:12 oreneeshy: (for the people who are interested in tools for workflow, that would be valuable too, as examples) 17:47:54 4digits is http://fourdigits.sourceforge.net/ 17:47:54 wendar: OK we should start to get commitments in the last 12mins of the meeting. 17:47:56 wendar: sure. the tools are critical in that sense I agree 17:48:36 I asked the developer if he'd be interested in being an example project for a group of Ubuntu designers, and he was enthusiastic 17:49:04 did we hear back from asilerot? 17:49:22 *AisleRot 17:50:33 4digits is currently in Debian, will be in Precise (sync'd to universe), but is unlikely to be on the CD 17:50:48 got to go 17:51:45 Let's do this as a quick show of hands. 17:52:11 Who is interested in working on simple design improvements to AisleRot? 17:52:44 No art people in the house? 17:53:02 Who is interested in working on simple design improvements to 4digits? 17:53:15 o/ 17:53:32 \o 17:53:57 I would like to try. 17:54:42 great! 17:54:48 Cool, looks like we have a team for 4digits. 17:55:10 cool 17:56:30 We'll start on that this week. 17:56:43 4 minutes left, what else do people plan to work on this week? 17:57:04 I'll be ready with that ethersketch alpha by next week. 17:57:05 wendar: plan for tools is we do them as they need emerges? 17:57:57 oreneeshy: there are a group of people interested in tools now, so if you're interested, we should get you all talking 17:58:09 wendar: sounds good 17:58:29 oreneeshy: it's very much in the "user journey" phase now, working out the processes designers use, and what would be helpful to them 17:58:34 * AlanBell wants to know what proprietary tools are used in the current workflow 17:58:59 AlanBell: Google docs and a whiteboard somewhere in london? ;-) 17:59:20 storyboarding on google docs? 17:59:28 I have no idea. 17:59:45 hence the question :) 18:01:45 OK, I think we're done for this week. Thank you to all those who came and participated. 18:02:00 And good luck with your design items for the week. 18:02:12 Thanks all! 18:02:14 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)