10:00:01 <sagaci> #startmeeting July team meeting
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10:00:58 <sagaci> agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/392/detail/
10:01:05 <sagaci> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/392/detail/
10:02:00 <sagaci> there's not much on the agenda but if you'd like to register your attendance, say hello!
10:02:32 <spik3> Hello!
10:02:34 <grizzlysmit> hello
10:02:39 <head_victim> Just to put irc nicks to emails, spik3 are you mick on the mailing list?
10:02:52 <spik3> yes I'm the one
10:02:58 <md_5> hello
10:03:01 <head_victim> Good stuff, nice work with the school btw
10:03:13 <spik3> Thanks
10:03:16 <md_5> ah spik3 nice to see you
10:03:40 <spik3> Cheers to all
10:04:21 <grizzlysmit> oh do I have to put the ! there
10:04:29 <md_5> no...
10:04:35 <grizzlysmit> hello!
10:04:47 <md_5> no.. you just need to say anything
10:04:53 <grizzlysmit> ok
10:05:04 <head_victim> Hah, nah it just counts attendance by people who contribute lines to the meeting
10:05:07 <head_victim> So really, anything will do :)
10:05:17 <sagaci> #topic Team Direction - Jared Norris
10:06:26 <head_victim> Well just to kick it off I thought I should point out that team activity as a whole seems to ahve died down a lot lately
10:06:26 <sagaci> head_victim: ^
10:07:10 <head_victim> I realise we all have jobs to do and other things in our lives so I'm not going to even begin to suggest anyone should be doing anything better specifically but as a team we need to find a way to get moving again so to speak
10:07:11 <spik3> ?
10:07:56 <head_victim> It's all well and good to have regular meetings and social events but unless we start up the real world and online events again we're going to risk being unapproved again next approval period.
10:08:35 <sagaci> ah, reapproval on the horizon again :P
10:08:47 <head_victim> It's 12 months away but still worth considering
10:08:58 <head_victim> We're at the mid point so wanted to use it as a point of reflection
10:09:42 <head_victim> spik3: things like you approaching the school are great! Hence why I was hitting you up to document it. As a team I think we need to more in this regard.
10:10:07 <sagaci> I've been pretty inactive lately especially since the translation effort is over/done, concentrating on other ubuntu-related projects. I haven't really been keen to write team reports since I'm not particularly aware of anything epic in the last couple of months
10:10:39 <spik3> my saying  how do we get people to see the light without windows
10:11:11 <head_victim> If we want to become a social meeting point and assist local users as a support group that's great but unless we keep up the advocacy we're not really a "loco"
10:11:49 <spik3> I've started to put some thing on paper when done I get it to some one to check
10:11:52 <head_victim> sagaci: exactly, we need to have more things to report on :)
10:12:14 <sagaci> chicken and the egg thing?
10:12:20 <head_victim> spik3: great :) I'm hoping publicising it will encourage others to do the same
10:12:57 <spik3> now sh**ing bricks
10:13:15 <head_victim> I am going to be the first to admit my time is stretched thin and if anyone has a bit of time to invest in the team I'm more than happy to mentor anyone but I'm struggling to find time to be a main driver altely
10:14:29 <head_victim> Trying to get events off the ground is also proving difficult.
10:15:25 <spik3> in Tassie very small and I'm a newbie
10:15:46 <sagaci> that's a negative of having a nationwide loco
10:16:26 <head_victim> spik3: if you're wanting to host events I'm more than happy to assist you with what to expect/how to run them
10:16:30 <sagaci> not that having 8 separate state locos would make it much better but at least you'd only have to worry or think about events in your own state
10:16:32 <spik3> But we can approach schools and sell as a teaching aid as well as acomplete OS
10:17:11 <head_victim> spik3: and that's awesome work.
10:17:39 <spik3> Get back on that one, head_victim
10:18:36 <spik3> as to we download gear for the young right up to Uni
10:18:51 <head_victim> So we spent a bit of time a while ago setting up a mission statement (that is at the top of the website ubuntu.org.au ) but I think we could be doing more to work towards it as a group
10:19:44 <head_victim> So I'm not here saying "go do more" I'm trying to be here to say "how can we as a team do more".
10:19:55 <head_victim> So basically, open to suggestions :)
10:20:24 <spik3> And schools can adapted it to there environment and get the teachers involved
10:20:41 <head_victim> spik3: did you get much feedback good or otherwise when you went to see them?
10:21:01 <head_victim> In my experience schools don't seem to want to invest in learning the new way of doing things in a different OS.
10:21:02 <md_5> spik3 a bit offtopic, but might I ask how old you are, I myself am I young ubuntu user
10:21:30 <spik3> They will get back however they did like the educational side of things
10:21:32 <sagaci> asking for release parties on the mailing list was pretty useless last cycle - I'm not sure what else we can do
10:22:09 <spik3> md_5 two years with ubuntu
10:22:14 <md_5> spik3 age..
10:22:15 <head_victim> sagaci: exactly my thinking. I'm trying to lower the bar and make it easier to do things, but still not getting very far.
10:22:31 <head_victim> So I thought I'd just throw it open to see if anyone had any other suggestions I hadn't thought of.
10:22:31 <sagaci> I'll still run the Sydney one again and I'm sure the Brisbane one will happen but aside from that, it's a bit vague shooting at dead targets
10:22:35 <spik3> 50 and feeling it
10:23:10 <md_5> spik3 I'm 15, now how about you?
10:23:11 <head_victim> I am getting the feeling that Ubuntu has matured more and so the advocacy part of ubuntu is no longer "exciting" as it once was.
10:23:31 <sagaci> maybe an email to the mailing list detailing how to set up the event on loco.ubuntu.com and linking to jono's youtube video explaining the same thing
10:23:36 <spik3> after the meeting md_5
10:24:21 <grizzlysmit> hmm there weren't many of us at the Sydney release party
10:24:22 <sagaci> md_5: try looking around #ubuntu-youth
10:24:25 <head_victim> sagaci: hmm I get the feeling it's more organising the real world aspect rather than the online portion but fair call, I might even try to write a web article on it if I can find the time.
10:25:15 <spik3> can we approach some learning centres as well as school and mention that it good for andriod as well
10:25:16 <sagaci> head_victim: ok, but you can't do much more for people than to ask them to organise one and post it to l.u.c
10:25:42 <spik3> for the phones apps sorry
10:26:03 <md_5> spik3 so you want to market it as an development platform?
10:26:23 <spik3> you hit it on the head
10:26:46 <md_5> spik3 the one issue I have with that is stuff like android app dev is platform independant
10:26:51 <spik3> as well as learning as well
10:27:26 <md_5> I mean my primary language by far is java, that doesnt really affect me. But stuff like c++ is a different story on linux vs windows
10:27:29 <head_victim> sagaci: I guess it's more about trying to find a way to make it more enticing that anything
10:29:42 <head_victim> But I guess you're right, at least by raising ideas someone of them do gain traction.
10:30:25 <spik3> has any got any suggestion that others may build on
10:31:07 <spik3> any-one I meant
10:31:23 <grizzlysmit> no sorry short on ideas just now
10:31:41 <head_victim> That's ok, I just did want to raise the idea to get people thinking.
10:31:55 <head_victim> And to let people know I'm more than willing to assist with getting ideas off the ground.
10:32:46 <spik3> can we come up with a small project and try take small steps at the start and build from there
10:33:02 <sagaci> real events are the most importantt things we can do as a loco, nearly everything else can be lumped under another project or the main ubuntu project
10:33:16 <grizzlysmit> ok
10:33:35 <head_victim> sagaci: yes, as well as online events can contribute to the other main community projects which are also very useful
10:34:03 <sagaci> jaddi and I started to figure out a short podcast using google hangouts but so far we've only tested to see if it works (it does) so until we get some time to focus on it, it's a project to-be
10:34:20 <head_victim> As a team we're relatively strong in carrying out online events but struggle with real world ones.
10:34:41 <head_victim> sagaci: nice work, you can always put a shout out to the team on the ML or via the social media pages for help if you need more help
10:34:47 <sagaci> yep thats right but generally stuff like user days, development weeks, etc etc aren't loco specific
10:35:53 <head_victim> spik3: starting small and building is a good idea, that's why I began bugging you about documenting yours. Your small step can lead to larger ones int he future
10:37:08 <spik3> I will put something down plus what other feed back I get from parents and friends of a primary school
10:37:26 <head_victim> spik3: yep the feedback would be very useful
10:38:01 <spik3> It has started getting my editor to look at it
10:38:11 <head_victim> So if we can all get our thinking caps on that would be great. We don't have to figure it out perfectly now, I just wanted the issue raised for some pondering :)
10:38:36 <head_victim> So does anyone else have any other topics?
10:38:52 <head_victim> Or can we continue to meander? Or?
10:39:14 <spik3> I'm open
10:39:36 <sagaci> nah, I'm looking forward to other real events happening around the country
10:39:48 <sagaci> but can only be so optimistic
10:40:25 <head_victim> sagaci: yep, I tried to get a tech event off the ground and found so little support I've shelved it for now. I just don't have the time to run one myself for now.
10:40:58 <head_victim> It was interesting to see a Ubuntu shirt in my first class of Uni for 10 years though. That is a good thing.
10:42:02 <spik3> I would wear one if there was an Aussie theme to it
10:42:40 <head_victim> spik3: feel free to design one and take orders :)
10:42:44 <head_victim> There's a project in itself
10:42:49 <sagaci> there's the ubuntu-au loco but I doubt people would recognise the ubuntu part of it
10:42:56 <sagaci> logo*
10:43:26 <sagaci> ubuntu lanyards, beanies and shirts are far more effective
10:43:45 <grizzlysmit> sounds good
10:43:52 <head_victim> Previous efforts at Ubuntu-AU artwork is available https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork and also on spreadubuntu.org
10:44:20 <spik3> sagaci: how can we get the Au logo out there I will help
10:44:39 <sagaci> personally I'd rather the ubuntu logo and art
10:45:01 <head_victim> I generally just use the stuff from shop.ubuntu.com
10:45:12 <sagaci> shop.canonical.com
10:45:33 <head_victim> They both end up at the same place :)
10:45:57 <sagaci> or wait til you go to UDS and avoid paying shipping!
10:46:15 <head_victim> Hah yeah, I just can't afford the time off work for a UDS now
10:47:08 <spik3> the school ask if there local support? if we spun it an have and have a Au feel for with design you never know
10:47:35 <head_victim> spik3: there is heaps of support, paid and free. Depends on what sort of support they're after really
10:47:55 <spik3> fair enough
10:48:09 <sagaci> desktop vs server support
10:48:16 <spik3> I will get of my backside and ask again
10:49:27 <head_victim> If they want hands on, onsite support you may find someone in your local LUG who might volunteer but realistically it's going to cost. If they just want a forum or mailing list to ask a question on then it would easily be free.
10:53:00 <head_victim> Alrighty, well ont hat note I have to make tracks.
10:53:18 <head_victim> Feel free to continue the discussions and if you think of anything you forgot tonight please ask on the mailing list :)
10:53:35 <spik3> I will get on with the report
10:54:02 <head_victim> spik3: no worries :) Thanks heaps for sharing Ubuntu with your local school.
10:56:38 <spik3> md_5: are you there? if the meeting is over?
10:56:49 <md_5> imma here
10:57:06 <md_5> I wanted to talk to head and sagaci a bit after
10:57:11 <sagaci> #endmeeting