#title #ubuntu-au: Jan 2012 Team Meeting

Meeting started by jaddi27 at 10:00:08 UTC.  The full logs are available
at
http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-01-08-10.00.log.html
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== Meeting summary ==

 *Ubuntu Global Jam
''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam   (jaddi27, 10:04:04)
''ACTION:'' jaddi27 to create jam-ideas wiki page  (sagaci, 10:19:15)
''IDEA:'' get in earlier rather than later with your ideas :)  (sagaci, 10:20:43)

 *Brisbane InstallFest
''LINK:'' http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/   (head_victim, 10:27:18)

 *New Team Website
''LINK:'' http://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuAU   (head_victim, 10:50:38)



Meeting ended at 11:00:56 UTC.



== Votes ==




== Action items ==

 * jaddi27 to create jam-ideas wiki page



== Action items, by person ==

 * jaddi27
 ** jaddi27 to create jam-ideas wiki page



== People present (lines said) ==

 * jaddi27 (61)
 * head_victim (56)
 * benonsoftware (52)
 * sagaci (33)
 * Bodman456 (21)
 * fabricator4 (14)
 * gorilla (10)
 * meetingology (5)
 * lubotu2 (1)



== Full Log ==


 10:00:08 <jaddi27> #startmeeting Jan 2012 Team Meeting

 10:00:08 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jan  8 10:00:08 2012 UTC.  The chair is jaddi27. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.

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 10:00:23 <jaddi27> #chair head_victim sagaci

 10:00:23 <meetingology> Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci

 10:00:46 <sagaci> good evening

 10:00:48 <fabricator4> Good evening everyone

 10:00:48 <jaddi27> Welcome everyone to the meeting. Agenda is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/303/detail/

 10:00:56 <benonsoftware> Evening all

 10:01:01 <head_victim> Gday all

 10:01:09 <jaddi27> Could everyone say hello if they would like to be in the minutes

 10:01:15 <benonsoftware> Hello

 10:01:21 <fabricator4> 'ello

 10:01:33 <sagaci> yellow

 10:01:41 <fabricator4> strange fellow...

 10:02:10 <jaddi27> if there is nobody else, we may as well move to the first topic

 10:02:44 <jaddi27> #topic Ubuntu Global Jam

 10:03:09 <jaddi27> First topic of tonight, mainly headed by head_victim and sagaci (I am guessing)

 10:03:27 <head_victim> I wasn't even sure when the next global jam was due to be honest

 10:03:40 <sagaci> The Ubuntu Global Jam will be held around 2th-4th March, so hopefully we can get a few jams happening, even if they are just on IRC

 10:03:54 <benonsoftware> I should be free during then

 10:04:04 <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam

 10:04:11 <gorilla> sorry. I'm late :-/

 10:04:22 <jaddi27> welcome gorilla

 10:04:26 <sagaci> in addition to the translation jam, I'm looking to do a materials jam, creating posters, brochures and anything that could aid the team or go on spreadubuntu.org

 10:04:40 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:04:56 <jaddi27> sagaci, Hopefully we won't need much of a translation jam, based on the current status

 10:05:22 <sagaci> I'll send off an email to the mailing list soon reminding of the different jams available

 10:05:26 <head_victim> sagaci: the promo things sounds good. I'm pathetic at that sort of thing but always looking for more materials to promote with

 10:05:39 <sagaci> jaddi27: sort of, there are still mistakes to comb through

 10:05:49 <benonsoftware> What other sorts of jams are there?

 10:05:50 <jaddi27> yes, that is true

 10:05:56 <fabricator4> Bug Jam!

 10:06:08 <jaddi27> I'd like to help out with localisation, assuming they have sorted it out properly by then

 10:06:14 <sagaci> I'm not sure if a Materials Jam exists but there's no problem in creating one and see how it goes

 10:06:43 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:06:55 <jaddi27> sagaci, Sounds like a good idea to me

 10:07:22 * benonsoftware has booked the weekend in his calendar :P

 10:07:25 <fabricator4> I can talk about resolutions in print media if it's of any help

 10:07:50 <jaddi27> fabricator4, I am sure that would be useful to ensure our media is properly created

 10:08:16 <sagaci> fabricator4: that would help

 10:08:30 <benonsoftware> If anyone is interested I could hold a Documentation Jam

 10:08:42 <fabricator4> No worries, I'll start thinking about a valid approach.  It's the biggest mistake people make when preparing materials.

 10:08:54 <head_victim> Well if someone is fluent in the Ubuntu trademark policy it would be helpful to have a talk on that during the promotional creation as well. All promotional material still needs to follow the guidelines.

 10:09:12 <sagaci> Legal JAm

 10:09:16 <benonsoftware> :P

 10:09:20 <jaddi27> I could look all that up

 10:09:27 * benonsoftware start researching the guidlines too

 10:09:29 <jaddi27> I am fairly good with understanding rules

 10:09:45 <fabricator4> (how about keeping to them?  :-)

 10:09:57 <fabricator4> JOKE

 10:09:57 <benonsoftware> :P

 10:10:01 <jaddi27> fabricator4, fairly good with that too :)

 10:10:02 <sagaci> an ubuntu-au wiki jam could be useful too

 10:10:21 <jaddi27> (I knew my school's policies better than most teachers)

 10:10:26 <head_victim> sagaci: yeah the membership and meetings pages need an overhaul

 10:10:27 <jaddi27> sagaci, I agree with that

 10:10:37 <benonsoftware> Sounds good

 10:12:11 <jaddi27> I think we should create a list of things we are thinking of doing, and who is going to run them

 10:12:18 <benonsoftware> I wouldn't mind putting my hand up for running a Documentation based Jam

 10:12:29 <sagaci> so it's that Friday until Sunday so if anyone is thinking of doing something, it' d be a good idea to note it under our loco.ubuntu.com page as an event

 10:12:30 <jaddi27> sagaci, head_victim: Is the best way using blueprints on launchpad, or wiki pages?

 10:13:03 <sagaci> jaddi27: the wiki pages are just extra space to put the details

 10:13:05 <head_victim> jaddi27: blueprints would probably be the most correct place to use them. They are usually aimed at release cycles though

 10:13:25 <head_victim> Blueprints are basically just plans, you then decide which ones are priority enough to get done in the current cycle.

 10:13:29 <sagaci> sorry, I had the wrong context

 10:13:53 <Bodman456> Hey all

 10:13:56 <jaddi27> hi Bodman456

 10:14:00 <head_victim> Evening Bodman456

 10:14:02 <Bodman456> sorry I'm late

 10:14:06 <benonsoftware> Hello Bodman456

 10:14:12 <sagaci> either or on the blueprint page whiteboard, or on a subpage of the ubuntu-au pages on the wiki

 10:14:12 <fabricator4> G'day

 10:14:28 <jaddi27> Bodman456, that is fine. We are just discussing Ubuntu Global Jam events

 10:14:33 <Bodman456> ok

 10:14:44 <jaddi27> sagaci, is one better than the other?

 10:15:06 <sagaci> i'd probably go with a wiki

 10:15:08 <jaddi27> (seeing as I know you have used both)

 10:15:13 <head_victim> jaddi27 & sagaci I think the wiki is a good place for a single thing, but if you want an ongoing plan with priorities than blueprints are the go

 10:15:25 <sagaci> zactly right

 10:16:18 <jaddi27> Ok. I think for the initial planning a blueprint would be the way to go, then we can have a wiki page at the end once details are sorted out (if we need to)

 10:16:22 <Bodman456> I'm leaning towards blueprints

 10:16:24 <sagaci> just set up a wiki page, something like Ubuntu-au jam plans and then create a table with name, event, time, etc

 10:16:36 <sagaci> and link to the loco.ubuntu.com events page

 10:16:39 <Bodman456> jaddi27: Good idea

 10:17:13 <benonsoftware> Yeah

 10:17:15 <sagaci> well you can have both but there's not much sense having two lists in two places

 10:17:27 <jaddi27> no, i realise that

 10:17:39 <sagaci> well three if you count loco.ubuntu.com

 10:18:10 <jaddi27> I think it would be best to create the l.u.c events once the events are a bit more set (what we are going to do, who is running them)

 10:18:35 <sagaci> good idea

 10:18:39 <jaddi27> so initially I was thinking of making a blueprint (or whiteboard) that can change

 10:18:49 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:18:57 <fabricator4> Sounds good.

 10:19:15 <sagaci> #action jaddi27 to create jam-ideas wiki page

 10:19:15 * meetingology jaddi27 to create jam-ideas wiki page

 10:19:40 <jaddi27> Ok. I will send an email once it is done

 10:20:23 <jaddi27> Is there anything else to add about the Ubuntu Global Jam?

 10:20:43 <sagaci> #idea get in earlier rather than later with your ideas :)

 10:20:59 <benonsoftware> :P

 10:21:07 <Bodman456> ;P

 10:21:13 <sagaci> #agree

 10:21:23 <sagaci> must be used in just votes :/

 10:21:27 <Bodman456> #agree

 10:21:28 <head_victim> Sounds good :)

 10:22:38 <jaddi27> Ok. I think we can move on to the second topic of tonight's meeting then

 10:22:52 <jaddi27> #topic Brisbane InstallFest

 10:22:58 <jaddi27> head_victim, over to you

 10:23:10 <head_victim> First of all, it went great :) Thanks to all who attended

 10:23:37 <benonsoftware> How many people attend?

 10:23:45 <head_victim> I have found a few things we could improve upon so I'm going to be doing a couple of website posts over the next few weeks to share the information

 10:23:50 <jaddi27> head_victim, sorry I couldn't come. I will make sure I get to one in June if it goes ahead

 10:23:51 <head_victim> benonsoftware: 20 - 25

 10:23:59 <head_victim> jaddi27: no worries

 10:24:03 <benonsoftware> Nice

 10:24:46 <head_victim> I know there has been a lot of chatter on the ml from us up in Brisbane lately, it's not like we want to take over so we were dicsussing trying to organise to coincide the next round of events with other locations to be more inclusive

 10:25:01 <benonsoftware> Are there any plans for Intsall Fests in other citites?

 10:25:39 <head_victim> benonsoftware: not that I'm aware of but I'm actually thinking the concept of the InstallFest isn't what would work best. I think something like an Open Day or Workshop would get more attendance.

 10:25:40 <jaddi27> benonsoftware, It depends on people in other cities having time to organise and run one

 10:25:57 <head_victim> Some people were interested in getting hands on with Ubuntu but not necessarily installing it so were a bit shy about it

 10:25:58 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:26:06 <gorilla> Linux.conf.au is wiping out a lot of people in Meblourne for spare time.

 10:26:23 * benonsoftware should look into that

 10:26:53 <head_victim> gorilla: yes, we were actually thinking of splitting the release parties so there were 4 events a year. 2 purely social release parties, and 2 more hands on playing with stuff workshoppy type events a eyar.

 10:27:11 <head_victim> !LINK http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/

 10:27:12 <lubotu2> head_victim: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)

 10:27:18 <head_victim> #LINK http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntuau/

 10:27:19 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:27:20 <gorilla> head_victim: Ahhh. sounds like an idea.

 10:27:39 <head_victim> I put up the photos I took of the day. Sorry I'm far from a professional but I think you can get the idea.

 10:27:58 <benonsoftware> :)

 10:28:39 <sagaci> installfest is a tad pretentious

 10:28:54 <head_victim> I've had lots of interest from other LoCo's about how I set up the server than ran the day as well so I'll be putting up a post on the ubuntu.org.au website about how it was done so we can all benefit from it

 10:28:56 <benonsoftware> gorilla: Just wondering is the linux.conf.au always in Melbourne?

 10:29:03 <benonsoftware> /Victoria

 10:29:09 <sagaci> benonsoftware: last year it was in brisbane

 10:29:14 <jaddi27> benonsoftware, it moves around each year

 10:29:16 <sagaci> benonsoftware: it jumps around

 10:29:20 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:29:29 * benonsoftware will then wait until it comes to VIC again :P

 10:29:31 <head_victim> sagaci: that's why we were thinking "Ubuntu Open Day" or "Ubuntu Workshop" would be a better title.

 10:29:57 <jaddi27> head_victim, sounds like a good idea for renaming

 10:30:02 <head_victim> I think the term open day actually conveys what we're trying to achive more than the term installfest.

 10:30:17 <head_victim> But, without actually doing it these are the sorts of things you don't think of :)

 10:31:14 <fabricator4> I would feel more comfortable with "open day"

 10:31:19 <head_victim> The venue is also important. We found that while the CBD was a central location it meant people had to lug around equipment too much and while there was plentiful parking it was costly.

 10:31:44 <benonsoftware> Yes, and it also needs to be close to public transport

 10:32:16 <gorilla> and also food outlets.

 10:32:16 <jaddi27> Brisbane city is certainly good for public transport, but parking like most cities is a problem

 10:32:38 <benonsoftware> Melbourne, its a shocker

 10:33:17 <head_victim> So we've worked out the main requirements are largish open area with tables and chairs, power points, tea/coffee facilities and accessibility. We only used about 350MB of internet usage on the main network for the whole day.

 10:33:29 <benonsoftware> Nice

 10:33:37 <jaddi27> benonsoftware, basically every bus route goes to the city a short distance from where the installfest was, which is good

 10:33:56 <head_victim> We requested those just browsing use their own dongles and so only those actually installing/updating/troubleshooting were using the wireless

 10:34:04 <benonsoftware> Nice

 10:35:02 <head_victim> So yeah, I'll try to get a writeup of the day on the website as a story and I will also knock up a brief technical how to on the server/network set up

 10:35:59 <jaddi27> head_victim, That would be great

 10:36:23 <head_victim> We'll also try to do one a year northside, one a year southside.

 10:36:54 <jaddi27> head_victim, is the city being central a better idea?

 10:37:44 <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah but it's hard for people to lug equipment from expensive car parks was the downside. We're thinking of still using libraries but furhter out, like Garden City on the southside or Chermside on the north.

 10:38:47 <benonsoftware> Plus parking is not cheap

 10:38:50 <jaddi27> head_victim, makes sense. Garden City has a library, and meeting rooms I am fairly sure (I am on southside)

 10:39:12 <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah all Brisbane City Libraries apparently have community meeting rooms that are free to book for library members

 10:39:17 <jaddi27> garden city parking is still free, chermside is free for 3 hrs

 10:39:40 <jaddi27> head_victim, the main thing is making sure the meeting rooms are big enough, as size varies

 10:39:43 <benonsoftware> I know that in Melbourne the State Library has cheap rates for library memebrs and community groups

 10:39:47 <head_victim> jaddi27: ah yeah, they were just generic examples, we hadn't discussed specifics other than probably one north one south would be useful.

 10:39:59 <jaddi27> head_victim, sounds good

 10:40:05 <head_victim> benonsoftware: we looked at the state library up here but their community rate was still 60 an hour so over 500 for the day.

 10:40:08 <Bodman456> I think the Garden City Library meeting rooms are big

 10:40:30 <Bodman456> I know they're bigger than the one in the Brisbane Square Library

 10:40:38 <benonsoftware> head_victim: I'll find out how much the Melbourne one is as I will go there soon

 10:40:41 <jaddi27> Bodman456, that is good to know. I haven't been there, as I am closer to Sunnybank Hills library

 10:40:49 <jaddi27> *been there much

 10:41:16 <head_victim> jaddi27 & Bodman456 sounds good, I haven't been to either so make sure they get a mention when the topic is discussed on the ML when we plan the next one :)

 10:41:27 <jaddi27> sure thing

 10:42:03 <Bodman456> No problem :)

 10:42:28 <jaddi27> Is there anything else to be said in this topic? I think this is the last one for tonight

 10:42:39 <head_victim> We also need to be talking about loco.u.c

 10:42:57 <head_victim> I had a text from a member this morning wondering where the installfest was as their online calendar said it was today :/

 10:43:12 <benonsoftware> I just want to add that sagaci and myself are running a User Days session on the 15th of Jan

 10:43:16 <Bodman456> :S

 10:43:36 <Bodman456> User Days?

 10:43:39 <benonsoftware> Whats yours on again sagaci

 10:43:46 <Bodman456> as in like install fests?

 10:43:50 <jaddi27> head_victim, the luc calendar has had so many issues raised, but it is not being fixed properly

 10:43:53 <benonsoftware> Bodman456: Ubuntu User Days, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays

 10:43:56 <sagaci> ubuntu equivalent programs, like libreoffices, etc

 10:44:00 <sagaci> office*

 10:44:11 <Bodman456> benonsoftware: TYVM

 10:44:22 <benonsoftware> and mine is joining in the Ubuntu Community

 10:44:24 <benonsoftware> Bodman456: ?

 10:44:55 <Bodman456> benonsoftware: TYVM = thank you very much :)

 10:44:55 <head_victim> benonsoftware & sagaci make sure you email the ML or create website (or both) for the details of your events so we all know excactly when and where

 10:45:05 <Bodman456> yeah

 10:45:23 <benonsoftware> head_victim: Ok

 10:45:39 <head_victim> Can I raise another topic that isn't on the agenda?

 10:46:11 <benonsoftware> I don't see why not as we are 15 minutes early

 10:46:32 <head_victim> Just quickly, I wanted to see if anyone had anything to comment on about the new website.

 10:46:33 <sagaci> already done mine :)

 10:46:34 <jaddi27> head_victim, sure. just use the topic tag to start it

 10:46:39 <Bodman456> I like it

 10:46:43 <head_victim> #topic New Team Website

 10:46:54 <jaddi27> head_victim, I think it looks much better

 10:46:57 <fabricator4> It looks neat

 10:46:59 <benonsoftware> Ah also

 10:47:06 <benonsoftware> ubuntu.com.au is broken :p

 10:47:17 <Bodman456> Yeah

 10:47:27 <Bodman456> As I found out at the installfest, XD

 10:47:31 <head_victim> benonsoftware: yeah that's just because of how we're setting it up. Once we're happy it will go across both. Sorry for the inconveniance.

 10:47:46 <benonsoftware> No thats no problem for me

 10:48:05 <head_victim> We've got great people working on the launchpad integration which should make creating website ocntent a lot easier.

 10:48:12 <jaddi27> actually head_victim, the main website is not up at the moment either

 10:48:39 <head_victim> The goal is that any member of the launchpad ubuntuau team can create content, which will then email the website admins to publish the content.

 10:49:14 <sagaci> head_victim: I uploaded 2 more screencasts to youtube to early this morning

 10:49:54 <head_victim> sagaci: nice work, I'll dent/tweet them, jaddi27 feel free to mention them on FB

 10:50:17 <jaddi27> ok. where are they located?

 10:50:38 <head_victim> http://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuAU

 10:50:45 <sagaci> I reported a minor typo bug but within half an hour, someone had fixed it upstream

 10:52:24 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:52:40 <jaddi27> head_victim, who can we contact with website bugs? There is a theme function problem at the moment rendering the content section with an error

 10:52:53 <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah I was just going to ping the relevant people

 10:53:08 <head_victim> I'm not sure what happened there, it's been working great for the last week or two.

 10:54:21 <benonsoftware> Have we ever thought of hosting the site ourselves?

 10:54:55 <fabricator4> Headache+

 10:54:59 <head_victim> benonsoftware: it's not really feasible. That would rely on one person for everything. This way there is continuity of service with canonical.

 10:55:05 <gorilla> benonsoftware: hosting isn't a trivial exercise.. don't go there.

 10:55:15 <benonsoftware> Yeah

 10:55:19 <jaddi27> benonsoftware, it is easier leaving it with canonical as they cover the hosting costs and provide a good link with the main ubuntu infrastructure

 10:55:23 <head_victim> For example, if I hosted it but I got busy in real life and dropped off the face of Ubuntu for a few months what would happen :/

 10:56:04 <gorilla> the same thing could happen to me in the next few months.

 10:56:05 <fabricator4> Hey, he nearly lasted the whole hour this time  :-)

 10:56:14 <head_victim> At least this way if I do drop off the face of ubuntu someone can contact canonical and request changes still

 10:56:22 <benonsoftware> Yes

 10:57:16 <head_victim> They allow us to admin the drupal and accept requests to install modules so it's not a bad arrangement. It's a little up and down just lately because we're making lots of changes. Previously it's been rock solid for months an dmonths at a time.

 10:57:26 <gorilla> for redundancy, it needs to stay with Canonical.

 10:57:50 <Bodman456> Yeah

 10:58:00 <Bodman456> Leave it to Canonical and their server farm

 10:58:00 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:58:19 <jaddi27> head_victim, an error like at the moment is where it would be nice to have server access - the error should just be one small code fix knowing drupal themes

 10:58:38 <head_victim> All we generally do is select admins from the list of users regularly contributing to the website content.

 10:58:45 <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah, that's the only tradeoff

 10:58:45 <benonsoftware> Ok

 10:59:26 <gorilla> head_victim: some of the better admins are not developers. Devops tend to hack on a live system untill it appear to work.

 10:59:52 <jaddi27> If there is nothing else, I will close the meeting and this can continue for a bit afterwards

 10:59:58 <benonsoftware> Ok

 11:00:00 <head_victim> gorilla: I'm sure the Canonical staff are well trained :)

 11:00:03 <head_victim> jaddi27: sounds good

 11:00:09 <gorilla> head_victim: Sure :-)

 11:00:15 <gorilla> jaddi27: go for it. I think.

 11:00:52 <jaddi27> Thanks to everyone for coming tonight. See you all for the next meeting, on Sun Feb 12

 11:00:56 <jaddi27> #endmeeting



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