#title #ubuntu-accessibility Meeting Meeting started by AlanBell at 21:02:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-accessibility/2012/ubuntu-accessibility.2012-02-15-21.02.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda (AlanBell, 21:02:29) *Review Community Accessibility Team Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals ) ''LINK:'' http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon (AlanBell, 21:28:18) *Review Accessibility Testing Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing ) *Review Development Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish ) Meeting ended at 21:51:10 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * AlanBell (55) * charlie-tca (38) * meetingology (3) == Full Log == 21:02:14 #startmeeting 21:02:14 Meeting started Wed Feb 15 21:02:14 2012 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:02:14 21:02:14 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 21:02:19 Nowish? 21:02:26 Hi, AlanBell 21:02:29 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda 21:02:31 hi charlie-tca 21:03:06 I think we will have a fairly slowish meeting, there are not too many items on the agenda and some others might pop in 21:04:21 Okay, I may have to reboot my xchat in between, so if I disappear, I will be back, sometimes in 15 minutes 21:04:51 thats fine, no great hurry 21:05:34 so we have an agenda starting with a review of the overall team blueprint, the testing blueprint and the development blueprint then any other business 21:06:00 the current point in the cycle is that Alpha 2 is out, and Feature Freeze is tomorrow 21:06:11 in the meantime, testing screenreader installs in 10.04.4 21:10:51 #topic Review Community Accessibility Team Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals ) 21:11:29 How do I say, I haven't gotten to those things, and may not? 21:12:12 deferred I think 21:12:19 I am too thin this cycle for my own good 21:13:07 yeah, I have a lot of stuff on and I am not getting all the stuff done I wanted to :( 21:14:24 I think that 12.04 is generally a lot more testable than 11.10 was, just we all seem a bit pressed for time to do much testing this cycle 21:15:00 Yeah, I agree. I will try and get some testing on it next week, so I can try to update the test case for QA 21:15:59 there is a neat unity testing script tool that they have provided now, it would be nice to add accessibility test cases to that 21:16:37 I have given up on trying to do any automation. It seems I do not have enough knowledge to do it 21:18:13 I did do a dummy speech dispatcher plugin that pipes output to a file like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.out 21:18:25 I think this is handy for documenting bugs in speech output 21:18:57 "Erase Ubuntu precise and reinstall Replace Windows with Ubuntu." that is one, I don't have windows but the accessible text tells me I have! 21:19:35 Shouldn't that be "replace existing OS with Ubuntu"? 21:19:42 probably 21:20:01 or maybe it doesn't even belong there. It is just a mistake 21:20:29 yeah, last time I reported it I think ev didn't believe me that it was spoken or something 21:20:45 Yeah, we get that sometimes 21:20:46 anyhow, there are still plenty of bugs like that in ubiquity and other applications, 21:21:07 It's hard to understand the speech if you don't concentrate enough 21:21:53 yeah, a transcript is much more useful on a bug report than someone describing what they heard 21:21:53 That report is the spoken output? 21:22:08 That's neat! 21:22:10 yeah, it is what orca sends to speech dispatcher 21:22:23 instead of piping it to espeak it redirects it to a file 21:22:39 That should be a lot of help with bug reports. 21:23:13 yeah, joanie thought I was mad when I told her what I was doing :) 21:23:44 I think I should probably write an article about that, and maybe get some help packaging it so it is easy to install 21:25:50 Please 21:26:03 We can use that kind of application. 21:26:17 She maybe did not understand it. 21:26:56 Well, maybe better keep going on this meeting thing/ 21:26:58 yes, I think it is an important use-case 21:27:01 indeed 21:27:39 personas is another thing on that blueprint, I kind of did the Simon persona, but it is not published yet, I need to review that with someone 21:28:18 http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon 21:29:49 What needs to happen? 21:30:04 well someone other than me needs to read it and see if it makes sense 21:30:12 That's one of them things pendulum should be reviewing 21:30:17 then need to put it in a blog article and put it in the wiki 21:30:21 I am not good at it 21:30:24 ok 21:31:12 right, lets move on to the next blueprint 21:31:23 #topic Review Accessibility Testing Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing ) 21:32:21 so we need to do more testing and probably get a bit better about tracking important bugs 21:32:29 okay 21:32:46 looks like I am all over that one, too. I will try to look at it this week 21:33:07 we have the Ubuntu Global Jam weekend coming up, it might be good to get various loco teams doing accessibility testing 21:33:25 if people are looking for stuff to do then testing the installer and desktop with orca would be great 21:33:30 Keep that in mind, anyway 21:33:47 We have to get a good test case written for them to use 21:38:42 or just run through some of the untity testing application with orca turned on 21:39:27 ok, lets move on and read through the development blueprint 21:39:29 Yeah, that would work too. We seem to have more testers for precise than in the past, too 21:39:38 #topic Review Development Blueprint ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish ) 21:40:35 I know quite a few items here were postponed 21:40:53 yup 21:41:01 anything on the ezoom plugin yet? 21:41:05 I have been investigating ezoom text cursor tracking, it was unstable with two monitors 21:41:27 well actually it was unstable on one monitor, after you had used it on two monitors 21:42:07 I need to re-test that, I think it is something that could go in a PPA in precise, not sure it is ready for prime time 21:42:29 okay 21:42:44 it is pretty good though, I was trying to do a screencast of it when it started crashing my machine 21:43:11 other stuff going on, I have been pestering gord about HUD accessibility 21:43:50 great, got orca stuck on United States Denver in my install 21:43:57 balloons is new to the community team and is doing QA stuff, I showed him how to get orca output to a file and he was going to look into whether that would be useful for automated tests 21:44:10 great 21:44:39 He is getting involved more. But, you know, it takes at least a cycle to get get things together 21:44:50 oh and there was this proposal by jcastro to drop compizconfig-settings-manager from the distribution 21:44:57 yeah 21:45:14 I saw that and made my compaint. Unity is not the only thing uses compiz 21:45:38 one of the main issues was people with scrollwheels accidentally operating sliders, so I contributed a patch to remove them all 21:46:11 the proposal to drop it has basically been droppped now, it looks like it is staying there 21:46:13 The biggest issue is no one who installs compiz without Unity will have any settings available 21:47:18 there have been a number of patches to make it a bit safer for users, fundamentally the problem is that various compiz plugins can be a bit crashy when asked to re-read their settings (looking at you unity) 21:47:49 But that should not mean we take the ability to change away from non-unity users 21:47:51 so they fall over in a heap with various .cpp files throwing out errors about not freeing nux objects correctly 21:48:08 nothing whatsoever to do with the python ccsm applicaition 21:48:55 so yeah, ccsm got unfairly blamed for compiz plugin crashes, anyhow, we are monitoring that, and contributing fixes where possible. 21:49:41 Good. I hate the idea that if Unity doesn't need it, let's toss it 21:49:53 indeed 21:50:52 ok, so this is not the most productive meeting ever, I think we should mail the list with the minutes, do some actions and have a bit of a renewed effort to get intensive testing and polishing done after feature freeze 21:51:10 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)