== Meeting information == * #lubuntu-devel: Lubuntu Monthly Meeting, 13 Jan at 19:08 — 20:06 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-01-13-19.08.log.html]] == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda === QA === The discussion about "QA" started at 19:10. * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt * ''LINK:'' https://twitter.com/wxl/status/686236582005837825 === donation area === The discussion about "donation area" started at 19:19. === LXQt === The discussion about "LXQt" started at 19:26. === mkusb === The discussion about "mkusb" started at 19:52. === miscellany === The discussion about "miscellany" started at 20:03. == Vote results == == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * wxl (108) * tsimonq2alt (65) * redwolf (34) * joern_s (33) * phillw (17) * sudodus (9) * teward (4) * meetingology (3) == Full Log == 19:08 #startmeeting Lubuntu Monthly Meeting 19:08 Meeting started Wed Jan 13 19:08:27 2016 UTC. The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:08 19:08 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:09 welcome everyone to our regular monthly meeting 19:09 please remember our meetings are every month on the 2nd wednesday @ 1900 utc, right here 19:09 you can see the agenda here: 19:09 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 19:10 so first thing's first 19:10 #topic QA 19:10 we were one of three flavors (along with mate and kylin) to release an alpha 1 19:10 largely, it was successful with no real terrible showstoppers 19:10 and i'm happy to report that we have managed to kill some of the bugs already 19:11 as you can see on the release schedule: 19:11 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule 19:11 alpha 2 is january 28 19:11 i.e. before our next meeting 19:11 so if people want to test, plan on getting going on the 26th 19:12 i also have some stuff to report regarding lxqt 19:12 at least as it relates to testing (i'll leave the discussion of development to joern_s later) 19:12 we now have a page for general stuff on lxqt: 19:12 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt 19:13 instructions are now up on how to install it in a xenial image 19:13 in fact, i took the raspberry pi2 wily image that flexiondotorg created with ubuntu pi flavor maker 19:13 do-release-upgraded it to xenial 19:13 and then installed lxqt 19:13 here's some proof: 19:13 https://twitter.com/wxl/status/686236582005837825 19:14 very nice! 19:14 we're still at the point where we're doing exploratory testing, but we're filing bugs small and large against both the lubuntu-next project and the associated source package since they're in the repos 19:15 meanwhile, i'm starting to do some work on getting testcases developer for the iso/package trackers with a little bit of help from tsimonq2alt 19:15 if anyone wants in on that whole process, let me know, as there's a bunch of work to do and we could use some help 19:16 i also tried to make it easier for everyone to find the blueprints related to answering the question of which apps we're going to use in lxqt 19:16 but i assigned them to lubuntu-next which is not configured for blueprints so you can't see them :/ 19:16 i'm trying to get gilir to help out with that, so will report to the mailing list when they're ready and we can start the discussion in earnest 19:16 o/ 19:16 tsimonq2alt: question? 19:17 nope, just back, sorry for interrupting 19:17 and that's about all i think i have for qa unless there are questions or comments from anyone? 19:17 and yes, I am helping a bit with getting the testcases done 19:18 just to decentralize the test cases for LXQty 19:18 *LXQt 19:18 also, when is Alpha 2, wxl? 19:18 tsimonq2alt: i said it above (jan 28) 19:18 wxl: stupid question but did they solve the headaches of the tasksel thing on alt? Not sure if they did for here or if that was an issue, but checking 'cause Server was affected (so potentially alts were too?) 19:18 whoops sorry :) 19:18 teward: yes 19:19 wonderful, i had that on my list of QA tests but never had time :) 19:19 thank you. *silences for remainder of time* 19:19 np 19:19 ok i'm going to move onto the next topic then 19:19 #topic donation area 19:19 off to you, phillw ? 19:20 Forms received back from Rafael, 19:20 The French postal system lost Julien's en route to him... replacements have bee obtained and emailed 19:20 The set for wxl were posted via email last friday 19:20 but apparently par avion does not mean very fast XD 19:21 As soon as all forms land safely we can proceed to have the account verified to be opened. 19:21 sorry for interjecting, but what is going on with the donations? do we have a paypal button on lubuntu.me or something? 19:21 that was an experiment, tsimonq2 19:21 wxl: may have made a pit stop at the local armed standoff in your area :) 19:21 but my question is, what are we working towards in regards to donations? 19:21 phillw: hahahah XD 19:22 :| 19:22 tsimonq2alt: being able to have people donate specifically to lubuntu rather than just throwing things in the general community donations pot 19:22 tsimonq2 it is in the rules of the group 19:22 wxl: well I have that, but what is going to be *produced*? 19:23 tsimonq2alt: we haven't quite got that nailed down, but the hope is a little button or something on the website 19:23 ohh gotcha, thanks 19:23 tsimonq2, what I tried was using the API of the "PayPal donation button" to enable in lubuntu.me a donation system, just a link to the new account, when it's ready 19:23 * tsimonq2alt now remains silent 19:23 tsimonq2 it will be progressed once the account is confirmed as able to be opened. Until that occurs, everything is conjecture. We have the rules written up and agreed upon. 19:23 gotcha phillw 19:24 any other questions comments or concerns about the tracker? 19:24 on a personal note ... I'm never, ever, ever going to set up a bank account where the trustees are in 4 different countries! 19:24 :D 19:25 indeed, phillw, you need some serious kudos for all the work you did! 19:25 ^ 19:25 (and continue to do) 19:25 I second that 19:25 so thanks phillw 19:26 and on that note, i think we'll kick it to the next topic 19:26 I can imagine all the difficulties - thanks Phill :-) 19:26 ^ 19:26 #topic LXQt 19:26 off to you joern_s :) 19:26 okay 19:27 I'm now using LXQt as my day-to-day desktop (but not on L/Ubuntu, I'm using Siduction here) 19:27 it feels very smooth and doesn't makes me much headaches 19:28 o/ 19:28 login is very slow, but this seems to be a problem of KWin or the plasma framework 19:28 oh so you're using kwin eh? depends have certainly decreased. enough to suggest it for lubuntu? 19:30 well... not sure if a Pentium M or simmilar really can handle it. may depend on the default settings, like compositing 19:30 that should be evaluated 19:30 xfwm4 could be an alternative, too 19:31 a nice fact: it is easier to replace the window manager with LXQt, compared to LXDE 19:31 joern_s: any reason not to just stick with openbox? 19:31 it is? i thought it was fairly easy before (i use awesome mostly) 19:31 because we don't need to rely on Openbox for keyboard shortcuts 19:31 ahhh 19:32 oh really? 19:32 no Openbox? 19:32 wow 19:32 tsimonq2alt: well, it's worth discussing at least 19:32 yeah 19:32 when we're making such dramatic changes, it might be good to explore what the alternatives are 19:32 there are reasons to stick with OB, sure 19:32 indeed 19:32 we'd need to change our session settings heavily 19:32 and while I am jumping in here, I am currently running LXQt as well 19:32 it's just good to look into 19:32 it is lightweight, it is rock solid 19:33 well a couple of default settings were headache-inducing for me 19:33 for example, the taskbar shows windows of other workspaces by default 19:33 but there are downsides like no window snapping ("Aero snap" for MS Windows users) 19:34 and the workspaces menu in the taskbar doesn't rearrange nicely when new workspaces were added, as well as it doesn't show the icon of the open window on the workspace, which as a really killer feature of LxDE 19:34 *LXDE 19:35 yeah i don't like the look of the workspaces 19:35 agreed, and that is an essential part of my workflow 19:35 can't say much about that, I don't use workspaces at all 19:35 it's just a plugin. it might change. 19:36 I struggle when I am at school, because Chrome OS doesn't use workspaces 19:36 might be a good thing to make a wishlist bug for and triage it upstream 19:36 so I would really like to see improvements with the workspaces in general 19:36 yeah prolly wxl 19:36 +1 wxl 19:36 tsimonq2alt: ^ 19:36 but at school(where I am) I don't have access to LP 19:37 I will do it in a few hours 19:37 sounds good 19:37 i would advise everyone to file bugs for anything they think of 19:37 even feature requests 19:37 anyways otherwise LXQt is pretty solid 19:37 but it still has a few bugs 19:37 we can triage them as such 19:37 like the icon bug 19:37 well yeah 19:37 O.O 19:37 +1 wxl 19:37 well i'm thinking that icon bug is not a bug 19:38 nope. it's not. 19:38 well as long as it gets fixed :D 19:38 it's a package dependency bug 19:38 that's a priority, as the settings daemon doesn't only set the icon theme. we need that working. 19:38 but that's not the current point of this discussion 19:38 yeah 19:39 right, yeah, we can discuss that on the bug itself XD 19:39 what I meant was fixing my problems XD 19:39 yep 19:39 it's "in progress" 19:39 anything else new to tell, joern_s ? 19:39 (offtopic, please, someone fix the topic of the channel and capitalize "new mailing list!") :P 19:40 :| 19:40 nothing special if you aren't interested in technical stuff ;-) 19:40 yes, joern_s, anything else? ;) 19:40 o/ 19:40 ooh ooh tell us joern_s 19:40 i'd be happy to hear technical stuff 19:40 yeah me too 19:40 although redwolf might get scared :) 19:40 XD 19:41 yup, I get scared easily. specially regarding new apps or revamped ones 19:41 phillw: Did you want to jump in? 19:41 :D 19:41 yeah 19:41 I'm currently working on a python module to access Appstream (where the new software center will get its data from) 19:41 there's a new pcmanfm due out 19:41 joern_s: so we' 19:41 yay, thanks, joern_s :) 19:41 and work is being pushed for translations 19:41 19:41 ve decided on a new lsc rather than doing something different? (appgrid?) 19:41 hmm? 19:42 Appgrid could be used for 16.04 - not sure about the decisions. that would be gilir's part 19:42 ok, but you're continuing working on a new lsc at least, joern_s ? 19:42 joern_s and I had some ideas about replacing LSC and creating something else, but not this century, I'm afraid 19:42 sure 19:42 well great 19:43 that's exciting to hear 19:43 anything else? 19:43 ^ 19:43 redwolf: I'm making some progress on it ;-) 19:43 * tsimonq2alt sits silently 19:43 :) joern_s, the PPA thingy will be really nice 19:43 +1 ! 19:43 but I'll explain that in other moment 19:43 for everybody, the idea is making LSC handle everything 19:44 that's all (updates, upgrades, packages, PPA sources, etc) 19:44 fantastic! 19:44 ooh 19:44 awesome 19:44 system tweaks, too - maybe 19:44 that would be pretty sweet 19:44 so if you can, do that too 19:44 and making PPAs work like some Android markets. using drag'n'drop maybe 19:44 0_0 yeah! 19:44 ooh 19:44 then the LSC would be an integral part of the user experience 19:45 but simply installing packages is a priority LOL 19:45 * tsimonq2alt agrees with that whole idea 19:45 so it would compete with / replace synaptic too? 19:45 it might sound stupid, but I think it's revolutionary in *buntu Linuxes 19:45 synaptic is a different story 19:45 it could totally replace it, for end users, yes 19:46 people wants a simple tool. and me too 19:46 but still powerful 19:46 we'll see in the future 19:46 * redwolf shuts up :| 19:46 joern_s: we still going to have an "expert mode?" 19:47 I'm not sure about that, yet 19:48 mockup: http://rafaellaguna.net/wp-content/gallery/portfolio/rect4197.png 19:48 i like the idea but i think we should re-brand it 19:48 make it like "lubuntu-approved" or something :) 19:48 redwolf: that looks awesome :D 19:48 yeah +1 wxl 19:49 instead of switching on and off it could switch between that and "all packages" 19:49 wxl: that will be plugin-based 19:49 but overall it looks stunning 19:49 oooh plugins nice 19:49 if other flavours or respins want to use the new software center, they will be able to write a plugin and give it their own brand 19:49 several tools have been developed lately, look at Fedy for Fedora, or ElementaryOS's "Software". things are going that way 19:50 love that idea 19:50 ^ 19:50 anything else??? :) 19:50 nope 19:50 n/a from me 19:51 for the people on FB (even if it is old): https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/permalink/966205850102902/ 19:51 lubuntu recommends. i like it 19:51 well that being said we'll move onto the next topic 19:51 notice how "design nazi" recommendations are becoming real ;) 19:52 yes, sorry 19:52 #topic mkusb 19:52 off to you sudodus 19:52 how's the progress to getting mkusb in debian???? 19:53 well, I have not much to tell - I have been busy with real life recently, and have not tried hard enough to find someone who can hold my hand to get mkusb into debian 19:54 sudodus: did you have any contact with melodie on that topic? 19:54 adiĆ³s guys, I'll check in later 19:55 o/ 19:55 I have mailed her a couple of times, but no reply. I'll try again, and also with bodhi.zazen as recommended by Phill 19:55 see yuh tsimonq2 19:56 sudodus: hm that's strange. she's usually pretty responsive. if you have no luck with bodhi, let me know 19:56 What would be the delay from a working debian package to making it part of Lubuntu? 19:57 well packages sync pretty quickly, sudodus, so it should be pretty minor 19:57 before feature freeze, there is nearly no delay 19:57 we've had a small handful of google code-in students test it and their reports have all been positive 19:57 I will try more during the next few days 19:58 that's a new feature i wouldn't feel bad about having in the lts if we could do some pointed testing on it 19:58 feature freeze is feb 18 19:58 so there's not a ton of time, sudodus 19:59 that being said, unless you can get some immediate results, let's tentatively plan on 16.10 19:59 People at the Ubuntu Forums have tested it too (and made me add/change some features) 19:59 joern_s: do you think agaida could assist sudodus in the hunt for debian sponsor? 19:59 a simple question doesn't hurt, huh? 19:59 the biggest delay we're going to have with the whole process is getting in the debian repos. so that's the part we need to push hard on in the near term 20:00 joern_s: you know her best :) 20:00 him! :D 20:00 yes, I fell for that before! 20:00 Yes, I think getting mkusb into the debian repos in the one and only obstacle now 20:01 sudodus: you could ask him via agaida@siduction.org 20:01 joern_s: or he hangs out at #lxde, too 20:02 ok well that's abuot all we have on that topic i guess 20:02 so last thing 20:02 OK, I can try, and tell me that you suggested that I should ask him 20:03 #topic miscellany 20:03 anyone else have questions, comments, concerns, issues, stories, pictures, praise, condemntation, etc? :) 20:03 .__. 20:04 there's always condemnations for various things - but none for here from me :) 20:04 well if that's the case, i thank you all for your contributions to lubuntu! 20:05 if any of you would like to help out more (or at all), let me know. we can find a place for you and your talents/interests 20:05 O.O 20:06 and with that being said 20:06 good night and farewell :) 20:06 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)