19:17 <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu monthly meeting
19:17 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Dec  9 19:17:35 2015 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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19:18 <wxl> so officially hello and welcome everyone to the December monthly meeting of the Lubuntu team
19:18 <gsilvapt> hi :)
19:19 <wxl> for those that don't already have it, here's the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
19:19 <wxl> you can choose whether or not to raise your hand if you like. such formalities are lost on me XD
19:19 <wxl> the agenda is not necessarily in order, so i'll try to keep us on track
19:19 <wxl> #topic QA
19:20 <wxl> first i'd like to give a general update for QA
19:20 <wxl> unfortunately there's not much to tell :)
19:20 <wxl> the regular daily testing has been happening
19:21 <wxl> as usual, we need more help in the ppc area since the LTS releases (like xenial) are supposed to be our ppc releases
19:21 <wxl> it is still relatively early in the cycle, though and that's to be expected
19:22 <wxl> i still have some ppc machines to send out to folks, too
19:22 <wxl> been a bit behind myself
19:23 <wxl> i should point out that three of the top 5 testers are lubuntu folks (tsimonq2, ianorlin, and nio) http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers
19:23 <wxl> well, for xenial
19:24 <wxl> fwiw both lars and ianorlin are in the top 20 of all time http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top20
19:24 <gilir> I never realise this, cool ! :-) Great job :-)
19:24 <wxl> so thank you very much lubuntu qa team!
19:24 <wxl> now, on a related note
19:24 <wxl> #topic Google Code-In
19:25 <wxl> you may know that ubuntu is a participant in this year's google code-in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn
19:25 <wxl> to be clear this is not the google summer of code, which is more like an internship working on major projects
19:26 <wxl> instead this is more like little tasks being done by teenagers
19:26 <wxl> i have been coerced into being a mentor
19:26 <wxl> well, actually, i rather enjoy it
19:26 <wxl> right now we have at least two lubuntu-specific tasks
19:26 <wxl> both are QA related
19:26 <wxl> the first is to have iso testing done
19:27 <wxl> the second is to help out with bug triage
19:27 <wxl> i'd send links but i don't think they're visable by non-participants
19:27 <wxl> there will be more tasks added throughout the week
19:27 <gilir> o/
19:27 <wxl> that being said, as i emailed before, if anyone has any tasks that need to be done, speak up!
19:27 <wxl> gilir: question?
19:28 <gilir> the bug triage is focus on which packages ?
19:29 <wxl> gilir: i wrote the task to start with bugs listed in the lubuntu packages team. so it's basically everything. the goal i had was to make sure that bugs were getting confirmed and/or invalidated and that descriptions and such were clear.
19:30 <wxl> gilir: i can amend it to suggest particular packages as a starting point if you like
19:30 <gilir> wxl, ok, that's a good idea, and pretty doable for teenager
19:31 <gilir> at least, if we can close the old and invalid bug, I may be able to focus on really problem more easily
19:31 <gilir> I => We
19:31 <wxl> so other ideas for tasks might relate to marketing, evangelism, videos, documentation, artwork, etc. if there's ANYTHING you want done, let me know and i'll list it as a task. try to be specific. worst case scenario it just doesn't get done. which doesn't hurt.
19:32 <sudodus> Hi everybody
19:32 <wxl> gilir: that was my thinking, too
19:32 <wxl> hi sudodus
19:33 <wxl> Google Code-In does continue until January, so please continue to think about this (everyone)
19:34 <wxl> that's about all i have for QA. sudodus you wish to speak about mkusb or phillw about donations?
19:34 <sudodus> I can wait :_)
19:35 <wxl> oooook joern was going to talk about LXQt. you want to take that role gilir ? :)
19:35 * phillw the paper work for donataions has been sent to Julien and Rafael. I need Rafael's back before I can send onto you, wxl
19:35 <wxl> oh i guess we're talking about donations
19:35 <wxl> #topic donations
19:35 <gilir> wxl, I can do it after phillw and Nio topics :-)
19:36 <wxl> so to be clear, it's just a waiting game for paperwork and such before we have all the legal ramifications dealt with
19:36 * phillw the paper work for donataions has been sent to Julien and Rafael. I need Rafael's back before I can send onto you, wxl
19:36 <wxl> phillw: have we made any progress towards thinking about how we would make it possible on the website for a user to make a donation?
19:37 <phillw> the bank is ready to go as soon as they have the paperwork and corresponding documentary evidence they require under international money laundering regulations.
19:37 <phillw> wxl: I know Rafael has a had a play, paypal can API neatly into the bank account.
19:38 <wxl> phillw: oh i didn't realize we were using paypal. that makes a lot of since. their apis are darn easy to work with.
19:38 <wxl> great, we await the post then :)
19:38 <wxl> anything else on the subject, phillw ?
19:39 <phillw> wxl: we were not going to re-invent the wheel... Security of people's bank accounts are best looked after by paypal. They seem to be doing a better job than most banks :P
19:39 <phillw> Not from me, as soon as I have the forms all signed, we can move forward :)
19:40 * phillw done
19:40 <sudodus> should I start now?
19:41 <phillw> just waiting for wxl to set the topic :)
19:43 <wxl> oops sorry folks
19:43 <wxl> work called me away
19:43 <wxl> #topic Startup Disk Creator
19:43 <wxl> off to you sudodus
19:43 <sudodus> I have been debugging mkusb (Cyrille, a French monk in the Congo found a bad one, and I have found a couple of minor bugs myself since our previous meeting)
19:44 <wxl> sudodus: have we made any progress towards getting it in debian/ubuntu repos?
19:44 <sudodus> but I have not yet done what was planned with Melodie to prepare to get a debian package accepted in a debian/ubuntu repo
19:45 <wxl> sudodus: i would think if you can get that ball rolling, that would be great. you can always go back to debugging while you wait for it to get accepted
19:46 <sudodus> I asked Melodie about it a couple of days ago (after debugging and uploading a debugged version), but she has not yet had time for it.
19:46 <wxl> sudodus: great, well keep working on it. anything else you need from the community?
19:46 <sudodus> Yes I agree. So I will try again to get help from Melodie
19:47 <sudodus> I think it would be good if you, who are active members, try to use mkusb and give feedback to me :-)
19:47 <wxl> maybe i'll make a task for this for the Google Code-In
19:48 <wxl> what's the suggested method for submitting bugs?
19:48 <sudodus> Yes, that is a good idea
19:49 <sudodus> email to nio dot wiklund at gmail dot com
19:49 <Vincrop> Hi !
19:49 <wxl> #action wxl mkusb Google Code-In task
19:49 * meetingology wxl mkusb Google Code-In task
19:49 <gilir> sudodus, are you aware of the process to push new packages to debian / ubuntu ? I can give you some infos if you need
19:49 <Vincrop> #action wxl mkusb Google Code-In task
19:49 * meetingology wxl mkusb Google Code-In task
19:50 <wxl> Vincrop: ?
19:50 * Vincrop feel alone, when nobody is responding :)
19:50 <wxl> Vincrop: we're having a meeting here, so if you'd like to contribute, please wait until we get to the end where we take other agenda items. if you want to chat there's #lubuntu-offtopic
19:51 <sudodus> Yes please, gilir (I have read some tutorials about it, and it seems very complicated, so I need all help I can get :-)
19:51 <wxl> sudodus: is launchpad not the preferred way to deal with bugs so they're public?
19:51 <Vincrop> Hi I'll vait so thx
19:51 <Vincrop> wait*
19:51 <wxl> because if so perhaps i can ALSO make a task for triage
19:52 <wxl> #undo
19:52 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
19:52 <gilir> sudodus, first you need to do the packaging itself, but I after you need 1 Debian sponsor or 2 Ubuntu sponsor for pushing new packages
19:52 <sudodus> I'm learning gradually how to manage the mkusb package. Yes, you are right about the bug management.
19:53 <gilir> sudodus, also, ubuntu sponsors will prefer people to push stuff directly to debian
19:53 <gilir> sudodus, which mean you need a DD (debian dev), which can be hard to find sometimes ...
19:54 <gilir> sudodus, just to say that it could be a long process ...
19:55 <sudodus> I realize it can be a long process, but as long as things are progressing it is OK
19:55 <wxl> well thanks for the update, sudodus. anything else?
19:56 <sudodus> I have said what I intended to say. Any more questions or comments?
19:57 <wxl> i'll just mention for those that do not know, sudodus made mkusb as an alternative to the other startup disk solutions that seem to fail consistently. it's our hope that it will become a standard option for lubuntu. more info here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
19:58 <phillw> sudodus: you can also ask bodhizazen on #phillw for assistance
19:59 <sudodus> Thanks phillw, I'll try to reach bodhizazen.
19:59 <wxl> that being said, you ready for lxqt, gilir?
19:59 <gilir> wxl, yes
20:00 <wxl> #topic LXQt
20:00 <wxl> off to you then gilir :)
20:00 <gilir> 0.10 of lxqt is now in xenial official repositories
20:00 <wxl> yay!
20:01 <gilir> so, people who are using xenial doesn't need the PPA :-)
20:01 <gilir> wel except of the meta-package which is not yet in xenial ...
20:01 <wxl> the meta package is fixed in the dev repo though, yes?
20:01 <gilir> I encourage people to test it, since the daily people may break at any time
20:02 <gilir> wxl, I think so, nobody complaint recently :-)
20:02 <wxl> yeah i see it :)
20:03 <gilir> Most of the PPA packaging was also migrated to the same packaging on xenial, which is close to the one in Debian
20:04 <gilir> that's all for the lxqt recent news :-)
20:04 <wxl> so if folks want to use the one out of the repos, they'll need to install all the packages defined by lxqt-metapackage then, yes?
20:04 <phillw> gilir: can you update the two sub sections on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt#LXQt for both adding to lubuntu and an install onto netboot iso.
20:04 <gilir> wxl, yes
20:04 <wxl> so everyone that's here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/lxde/lxqt-metapackage/view/head:/debian/control
20:04 <phillw> They are the latest I had
20:05 <gilir> phillw, I just want to wait for the metapackage to it xenial, that will be easier to explain on the wiki
20:05 <phillw> great :)
20:05 <wxl> any ideas how long that will be, gilir? because i could make a google code-in task
20:06 <gilir> wxl, it still stuck in debian queue ... ETA is very variable with it comes to this
20:06 <wxl> right right, ok
20:06 <gilir> with => when
20:06 <wxl> then i'll maybe drum up a task with explicit instructions on the packages to install
20:07 <wxl> #action wxl Google Code-In task for installing lxqt with explicit instructions on packages to install
20:07 * meetingology wxl Google Code-In task for installing lxqt with explicit instructions on packages to install
20:07 <wxl> ok any questions regarding lxqt folks?
20:08 <sudodus> Is there something in particular that we should test or be aware of with lxqt?
20:10 <gilir> sudodus, nothing special, 0.10 is suppose to be stable :-)
20:10 <sudodus> :-)
20:11 <gilir> you can report any bug to ubuntu bug tracker is you are testing 0.10
20:11 <gilir> you are using daily build, I suggest to check on #lxde first to see if it's not specific to daily build breakage
20:13 <gilir> nothing else come to my mind for now about this
20:14 <wxl> ok then
20:14 <wxl> #topic Any Other Business
20:14 <wxl> Vincrop: did you have something else you wish to bring up?
20:14 <wxl> or anyone else for that matter?
20:15 <gilir> o/
20:15 <wxl> yes?
20:16 <gilir> just to announce that LSC was migrated to python 3 : lp:~lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-software-center/python3
20:16 <wxl> oh wow!
20:16 <gilir> :-)
20:16 <wxl> another thing to test then!
20:16 <phillw> nice :)
20:16 <gilir> please test it :-)
20:16 <sudodus> :-)
20:16 <wxl> #agenda wxl add Google Code-In task for the new version of LSC
20:17 <wxl> do you have a direct link, gilir ?
20:17 <wxl> oops not agenda!
20:17 <wxl> #action wxl add Google Code-In task for the new version of LSC
20:17 * meetingology wxl add Google Code-In task for the new version of LSC
20:17 <gilir> https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-software-center/python3
20:17 <gilir> I can't find the other bug report about the python3 progress on other packages of the seed :-/
20:18 <wxl> thx
20:18 <wxl> hahahah i'll dig it up for you
20:18 <gilir> bug 1465313
20:18 <ubot93> bug 1465313 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "[meta] Drop python2.7, port all to python3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465313
20:18 <wxl> oh there you go :)
20:20 <wxl> anyone else?
20:20 <gilir> nothing more on dev
20:21 <wxl> then i'm going to call an end to the meeting
20:21 <wxl> thanks to everyone for your contributions
20:21 <wxl> OH
20:21 <wxl> one last thing
20:21 <wxl> #topic mailing lists
20:21 <phillw> just a reminder to have a good time and the Alpha1 is due out December 31st ... So don't forget to do some testing!!
20:21 <wxl> we've had lubuntu-qa on launchpad lingering around at the same time as lubuntu-devel
20:21 <wxl> on lists.ubuntu.com
20:22 <wxl> i'm going to get rid of the lubuntu-qa list at the start of the new year
20:22 <wxl> so if you haven't already updated your subscription, do it!
20:22 <wxl> ok, that's all
20:22 <sudodus> so far Lubuntu Xenial has been running well
20:22 <wxl> #endmeeting